You got dah religion?

[ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence]

"Half of Australian businesses don't believe the National Broadband
Network will change how they work, a new survey has found, but those
businesses could be in for a rude shock".

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/business-not-ready-for-nbn-survey-20130416-2hy2o.html

Or...the NBN could be in for a rude shock.


"The report was based on online responses from 167 companies, most of
which were Macquarie Telecom customers"

Someone puhleeeeeeese tell me about the efficacy of online surveys and
small samples done by the gubbermint's own telco.


--
Julia Gillard...
"I don't want the mining industry to hire a single foreign worker if
there is an Australian who can do the job"
(PS: Who issues the visas????????????????????)

"Wayne Swan was explicitly asked to rule out a further increase in the
debt limit above the current limit of $300 billion. He steadfastly refused".
http://liberal.org.au/latest-news/2013/03/13/swan-refuses-rule-out-increase-debt-limit-above-300-billion

Swan...
"The course of action I'm talking about today really comes very much, I
guess, to the core of my values and the values of the Labor Party"

Paul Howes...
"Labor has an obligation to stop extremists who threaten our democracy"

How much new law is there every year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lePrBUHihKI

Tony Abbott...
"You do not save the environment by killing the economy"

"It's not about popularity, it's about gaining respect, and she hasn't
got it yet"
(Australian of the Year, 2013)

[Addinall]

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:55:57 +1000, ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
wrote:

> "Half of Australian businesses don't believe the National Broadband
> Network will change how they work, a new survey has found, but those
> businesses could be in for a rude shock".

"I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business $420
per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking NBN. Make
it go away..."

The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!

If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page, it's
because they DO NOT WANT ONE!

>
> http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/business-not-ready-for-

nbn-survey-20130416-2hy2o.html
>
> Or...the NBN could be in for a rude shock.

Indeed. Only spent $4 BILLION so far to connect 10,000 to the net. GOOD
JOB as usual Labor.

Mark Addinall.

[Addinall]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:22:46 +1100, Addinall wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:55:57 +1000, ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
> wrote:
>
>> "Half of Australian businesses don't believe the National Broadband
>> Network will change how they work, a new survey has found, but those
>> businesses could be in for a rude shock".
>
> "I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
> secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
> uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
> page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
> communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business $420
> per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking NBN. Make
> it go away..."
>
> The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
> DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!

I saw this today in my mail.

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That's bad for your bottom line. At OnlineCentric, they have the
expertise to create professional, functional and fully-customised
websites that will:

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They offer a range of web packages to suit all kinds of businesses:

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Choose from two design concepts, plus images and content, one form and
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packages here.

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They'll create a sitemap with wireframes for up to 10 pages and two
design options. Pages include images and content (supplied), one form and
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plus content management capabilities to enables you to update your
website anytime. Find out more about the packages here.

Any business that isn't on the net, doesn't want to be on the net. The
fiction that business *NEEDS* the NBN is just that, fiction. How would a
bunch of lefty dolts that have never had a job know anything about
business requirements?

Idiocy.

Mark Addinall.

[ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence]

On 17/04/2013 1:44 PM, Addinall wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:22:46 +1100, Addinall wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:55:57 +1000, ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Half of Australian businesses don't believe the National Broadband
>>> Network will change how they work, a new survey has found, but those
>>> businesses could be in for a rude shock".
>>

The conclusion is ambiguous. Of the half, some might be totally ignorant
of the internet (your "don't want to be" case) and the others savvy
enough to know that the NBN will *not* change how they work one iota.

e.g. A website could be hosted in the US and deliver from the UK (to
escape Aussie Post gouging) with the owner in Dubbo.


...

>
> Any business that isn't on the net, doesn't want to be on the net. The
> fiction that business *NEEDS* the NBN is just that, fiction. How would a
> bunch of lefty dolts that have never had a job know anything about
> business requirements?

They never asked anyone. In true socialist we-know-better fashion, they
*told* us that we needed 100Mbps.

>
> Idiocy.
>
> Mark Addinall.
>
>
>>
>> If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page, it's
>> because they DO NOT WANT ONE!
>>
>>
>>> http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/business-not-ready-for-
>> nbn-survey-20130416-2hy2o.html
>>>
>>> Or...the NBN could be in for a rude shock.
>>
>> Indeed. Only spent $4 BILLION so far to connect 10,000 to the net.
>> GOOD JOB as usual Labor.
>>
>> Mark Addinall.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "The report was based on online responses from 167 companies, most of
>>> which were Macquarie Telecom customers"
>>>
>>> Someone puhleeeeeeese tell me about the efficacy of online surveys and
>>> small samples done by the gubbermint's own telco.
>

[Gordon Levi]

Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:

>"I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
>secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
>uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
>page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
>communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business $420
>per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking NBN. Make
>it go away..."
>
>The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
>DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!
>
>If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page, it's
>because they DO NOT WANT ONE!

Who do you expect to disagree with the last sentence?

You chose an expensive design and host. At seventy dollars a year and
some easy to use templates <http://www.000webhost.com/> most
Australian families can have a web site if they want one.

What has all that got to do with the "need" for the NBN?

[ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence]

On 18/04/2013 4:50 PM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>> "I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
>> secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
>> uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
>> page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
>> communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business $420
>> per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking NBN. Make
>> it go away..."
>>
>> The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
>> DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!
>>
>> If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page, it's
>> because they DO NOT WANT ONE!
>

...

>
> What has all that got to do with the "need" for the NBN?
>

You should ask the minister that question!

[Addinall]

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:50:47 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

> Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>>"I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
>>secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
>>uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
>>page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
>>communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business $420
>>per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking NBN. Make
>>it go away..."
>>
>>The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
>>DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!
>>
>>If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page, it's
>>because they DO NOT WANT ONE!
>
> Who do you expect to disagree with the last sentence?

Captain Underpants, you and the rest of the Cretins that thinks a FTTH
network is going to "allow more Australian businesses —particularly small
businesses, regional businesses and not-for-profit organisations —to
compete in the global marketplace."

Yeah? How? Clearly written by idiots, for idiots.

"Although many Australian businesses have a website, not all of them are
taking advantage of the opportunities that being online can bring."

Huh? More throw away statements from people that clearly know fuck all
about the internet, or networks in general, or business.

http://www.nbn.gov.au/nbn-benefits/digital-economy-goals/for-business/

>
> You chose an expensive design and host. At seventy dollars a year and
> some easy to use templates <http://www.000webhost.com/> most Australian
> families can have a web site if they want one.

ALL Australian families that WANT a web page can have one right now.
Assuming they have a spare $70.
Get back on the subject dickhead. I was talking about the benefits of
the NBN model to business. What are they? You can watch more telly at
work? I would have thought that counter productive.

A typical business web site is built using WordPress, JOOMLA!, Drupal.
Very few roll their own in the SME space. This gives them a CMS, several
pages, a contact form at least, possibly a shopping cart. A BLOG.
Product gallery etc. Typical hosting space is 1-2GB of storage. Along
with the web site, the hosting company will supply ~50 email addressed
for that domain and 2-5 databases.

I S T H A T C L E A R ?

Fucking idiot. You have 40 years in IT and did not learn ONE thing about
the industry. How truly EPIC.

Mark Addinall.

[Gordon Levi]

Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:50:47 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:
>
>> Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
>>>secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
>>>uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
>>>page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
>>>communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business $420
>>>per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking NBN. Make
>>>it go away..."
>>>
>>>The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
>>>DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!
>>>
>>>If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page, it's
>>>because they DO NOT WANT ONE!
>>
>> Who do you expect to disagree with the last sentence?
>
>Captain Underpants, you and the rest of the Cretins that thinks a FTTH
>network is going to "allow more Australian businesses —particularly small
>businesses, regional businesses and not-for-profit organisations —to
>compete in the global marketplace."
>
>Yeah? How?

Maybe by taking advantage of, or developing, on-line applications.
Perhaps by using the WAN to cooperate with suppliers to rapidly
develop products and services. They could invite experts that they
could not otherwise afford to a brief virtual meeting without the
experts having to leave their own offices. They might share and make
use of "big data" at a comparable level to their larger competitors.
There are some spare ports on an NTU so it is possible to access (or
provide) specialised data streams and applications not available via
the Internet.

To be honest, I don't have a clue but I know it won't be by having the
sort of web site that appears to be the limit of your, and probably
my, imagination.

> Clearly written by idiots, for idiots.
>
>"Although many Australian businesses have a website, not all of them are
>taking advantage of the opportunities that being online can bring."
>
>Huh? More throw away statements from people that clearly know fuck all
>about the internet, or networks in general, or business.
>
>http://www.nbn.gov.au/nbn-benefits/digital-economy-goals/for-business/
>
>
>>
>> You chose an expensive design and host. At seventy dollars a year and
>> some easy to use templates <http://www.000webhost.com/> most Australian
>> families can have a web site if they want one.
>
>ALL Australian families that WANT a web page can have one right now.
>Assuming they have a spare $70.
>Get back on the subject dickhead. I was talking about the benefits of
>the NBN model to business. What are they? You can watch more telly at
>work? I would have thought that counter productive.
>
>A typical business web site is built using WordPress, JOOMLA!, Drupal.
>Very few roll their own in the SME space. This gives them a CMS, several
>pages, a contact form at least, possibly a shopping cart. A BLOG.
>Product gallery etc. Typical hosting space is 1-2GB of storage. Along
>with the web site, the hosting company will supply ~50 email addressed
>for that domain and 2-5 databases.
>
>I S T H A T C L E A R ?
>
>Fucking idiot. You have 40 years in IT and did not learn ONE thing about
>the industry. How truly EPIC.

In 40 years I have learned that I know only a tiny fraction of the IT
world and that most of what I know now will be out of date in five
years. On the other hand, you tell us all you know about the trivial
aspects of current web sites as though it was useful information.
Worse still, you imagine that it will still be true in five years
time.

You are not stupid, you are just blinkered by your conviction that you
know everything. I would expect the fact that you can now virtually
attend Sedgewick's lectures rather than just reading his books would
tell you that major changes have taken place. It could even tell you
that further changes are on the way. But no, all you can think of is
the bleeding obvious - it doesn't need more bandwidth than most people
have.

[ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence]

On 20/04/2013 1:01 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
> To be honest, I don't have a clue

Bravo!

[Addinall]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:01:45 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

> Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:50:47 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:
>>
>>> Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"I have a Web page. It cost me $1,800 to build. It is hosted in a
>>>>secure data room SOMEWHERE that is manned 24/7 and provides 99.8%
>>>>uptime. Backups are done every two days. The contact form on the web
>>>>page sends me queries by email. It provides a shared 12 Gbps
>>>>communications pipe to and from the world. This costs my business
>>>>$420 per year which is a tax deduction. I don't need no steenking
>>>>NBN. Make it go away..."
>>>>
>>>>The wallies in the Labor gubbermint telling businessmen that they are
>>>>DEAD WRONG! They NEED the NBN!
>>>>
>>>>If there is a business in Australia that does not have a web page,
>>>>it's because they DO NOT WANT ONE!
>>>
>>> Who do you expect to disagree with the last sentence?
>>
>>Captain Underpants, you and the rest of the Cretins that thinks a FTTH
>>network is going to "allow more Australian businesses —particularly
>>small businesses, regional businesses and not-for-profit organisations
>>—to compete in the global marketplace."
>>
>>Yeah? How?
>
> Maybe by taking advantage of, or developing, on-line applications.

Gee! That has never been done before! I must pen a letter to my bank
and see if they want to get involved in this new internet thingy captain
underpants and you just invented. Cretin.

> Perhaps by using the WAN to cooperate with suppliers to rapidly develop
> products and services.

Another LABOR BREAKTHROUGH!!! O LORDY LORDY, where have you been all of
our lives!

> They could invite experts that they could not
> otherwise afford to a brief virtual meeting without the experts having
> to leave their own offices.

Now THAT is a new LABOR invention. Video conferencing.

> They might share and make use of "big data"
> at a comparable level to their larger competitors.

WOW! A Labor throw away word! "Big Data". On "The Cloud" no doubt?
So how is the NBN going to provide BIG DATA to people? And why should it?
Hint stupid. http://www.abs.gov.au That site has plenty of BIG DATA,
all available through a user interface that works just fine at current
speeds. The database queries are still going to be run on HUMUNGOUS Sun
servers, the PL/SQL geing written by a well know genius, and transferred
to a Java front end written by one of his mates. Or would you like to
download all of the data from the ABS? That is going to tie up your
100Mbps link for a few months...

> There are some spare
> ports on an NTU so it is possible to access (or provide) specialised
> data streams and applications not available via the Internet.
>
> To be honest, I don't have a clue

That much is fucking obvious. Nor does Captain Underpants. I really
don't care WHAT you stupid people get up to in private. When you want to
waste $100 BILLION of general revenue it becomes my business.

> but I know it won't be by having the
> sort of web site that appears to be the limit of your, and probably my,
> imagination.

You're a fucking idiot. Imagination is all you have. And not much at
that.

>
>> Clearly written by idiots, for idiots.
>>
>>"Although many Australian businesses have a website, not all of them are
>>taking advantage of the opportunities that being online can bring."
>>
>>Huh? More throw away statements from people that clearly know fuck all
>>about the internet, or networks in general, or business.
>>
>>http://www.nbn.gov.au/nbn-benefits/digital-economy-goals/for-business/
>>
>>
>>
>>> You chose an expensive design and host. At seventy dollars a year and
>>> some easy to use templates <http://www.000webhost.com/> most
>>> Australian families can have a web site if they want one.
>>
>>ALL Australian families that WANT a web page can have one right now.
>>Assuming they have a spare $70.
>>Get back on the subject dickhead. I was talking about the benefits of
>>the NBN model to business. What are they? You can watch more telly at
>>work? I would have thought that counter productive.
>>
>>A typical business web site is built using WordPress, JOOMLA!, Drupal.
>>Very few roll their own in the SME space. This gives them a CMS,
>>several pages, a contact form at least, possibly a shopping cart. A
>>BLOG. Product gallery etc. Typical hosting space is 1-2GB of storage.
>>Along with the web site, the hosting company will supply ~50 email
>>addressed for that domain and 2-5 databases.
>>
>>I S T H A T C L E A R ?
>>
>>Fucking idiot. You have 40 years in IT and did not learn ONE thing
>>about the industry. How truly EPIC.
>
> In 40 years I have learned that I know only a tiny fraction of the IT

Less than that...

> world and that most of what I know now will be out of date in five
> years.

Yeah. You lefties REALLY don't "get" irony do you? It is probably the
fact that you all share a poor education. You just penned that wisdom on
a machine that is running BSD UNIX, and sent it via NNTP over TCP/IP.
And NO-ONE uses SQL any longer hey? Or COBOL. Or JES. Or JCL. Or RPG.
Or C. Or Perl. Or PHP. Or Java. Or BASIC.

> On the other hand, you tell us all you know about the trivial
> aspects of current web sites as though it was useful information.

Lost ya hey stupid? Sorry.

> Worse
> still, you imagine that it will still be true in five years time.

Indeed it will. HTML5 and CSS3 (neither quite finished yet) will provide
the foundations for cross device development for perhaps the next decade.

>
> You are not stupid, you are just blinkered by your conviction that you
> know everything.

Not everything. Just a WHOLE FUCKING LOT MORE THAN YOU...

> I would expect the fact that you can now virtually
> attend Sedgewick's lectures rather than just reading his books would
> tell you that major changes have taken place.

Yeah. In about 1988.
And again in 1994.

> It could even tell you
> that further changes are on the way. But no, all you can think of is the
> bleeding obvious - it doesn't need more bandwidth than most people have.

You're a fucking idiot Levi.

Mark Addinall.

[Addinall]

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:13:07 +1000, ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence

wrote:

> On 17/04/2013 1:44 PM, Addinall wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:22:46 +1100, Addinall wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:55:57 +1000, ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Half of Australian businesses don't believe the National Broadband
>>>> Network will change how they work, a new survey has found, but those
>>>> businesses could be in for a rude shock".
>>>
>>>
> The conclusion is ambiguous. Of the half, some might be totally ignorant
> of the internet (your "don't want to be" case) and the others savvy
> enough to know that the NBN will *not* change how they work one iota.
>
> e.g. A website could be hosted in the US and deliver from the UK (to
> escape Aussie Post gouging) with the owner in Dubbo.
>
>
> ...
>>
>> Any business that isn't on the net, doesn't want to be on the net. The
>> fiction that business *NEEDS* the NBN is just that, fiction. How would
>> a bunch of lefty dolts that have never had a job know anything about
>> business requirements?
>
> They never asked anyone. In true socialist we-know-better fashion, they
> *told* us that we needed 100Mbps.

NBNCo and the gubbemint don't have a clue. They're making shit up as
they go along. A $100 BILLION spend with no plan whatsoever. It should
have been obvious a few weeks ago when off the cuff decided to re-task
the new space missions to supply DOUBLE the capacity than mentioned in
the 'plan'. Funny. I have had a bit to do with satellite systems, and
re-tasking a bird AFTER it has been built is problematical to say the
least. Good 'planning'.

1. Pay for a space mission up front. Get it built. Sit it on a launch
pad.

2. Then THINK about an orbital slot to put the thing in.

3. Then and only then, rebuild it to fit another whim (I assume the
Earthstations are going to be re-built as well.

That sounds destined to failure. Since the NBNCo is a cover-up to get
these two missions launched for the ADF, ASIS, ASIO and DSD, if I were
still in that community I would be worried about the twats wrecking the
project. Keeps the DoD spend off the budget.

NOW, this week, "We have changed our mind. In a few weeks we will supply
not 100 Mbps BUT 1000 Mbps! Just like that!". Not unless they build a
cabinet for every three users they won't. That just means chucking away
the small amount of work done now and re-engineering the entire network,
if indeed they HAD a plan. They don't. This is an ad-hoc spend for all
concerned. It has NO CHANCE of being even partially completed. Just
money after bad being pissed against the wall by Capt. Underpants and
cohorts. Wanna bet he gets a 'job' as a 'consultant' after he is kicked
out of parliment?

Lots of fat in these BILLION dollar down payments. As L&M and our
Defence minister....

Mark Addinall.

[ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence]

If they don't have the slots, they are in big trouble. They *have to*
know where the satellite is pointing from.

I'm not a satellite expert. I studied that stuff yonks ago and *I* know
that.

Quigley has told the Senate on a couple of occasions that the slots are
no problem. If he lied, he's in big trouble. You don't lie to the Senate.

>
>
> Mark Addinall.

[ALP = Arrogance, Lies & Pretence]

On 23/04/2013 3:42 PM, Addinall wrote:

> NOW, this week, "We have changed our mind. In a few weeks we will supply
> not 100 Mbps BUT 1000 Mbps! Just like that!". Not unless they build a
> cabinet for every three users they won't. That just means chucking away
> the small amount of work done now and re-engineering the entire network,
> if indeed they HAD a plan. They don't. This is an ad-hoc spend for all
> concerned. It has NO CHANCE of being even partially completed. Just
> money after bad being pissed against the wall by Capt. Underpants and
> cohorts. Wanna bet he gets a 'job' as a 'consultant' after he is kicked
> out of parliment?

Election bullshit. So the ignorant fuckwits can quote "1000 Mbps vs 25
Mbps" - which is completely irrelevant to the 99% of people who need
12Mbps max.

[yusof@yahoo.com abang yusof]

When NBN is in full swing the Murdoc empire may just start crumbling.
Everything can be downloaded at lightning speed cheap

"Addinall" wrote in message news:5176...@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

[atec77]

On 25/04/2013 8:34 PM, abang yusof wrote:
> When NBN is in full swing the Murdoc empire may just start crumbling.
> Everything can be downloaded at lightning speed cheap
>
>

Don't hold your breath on that one

Data must be mined , written up and delivered

that's never free

[Gordon Levi]

Addinall <addi...@NOSPAM.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 01:01:45 +1000, Gordon Levi wrote:

>> Maybe by taking advantage of, or developing, on-line applications.
>
>Gee! That has never been done before! I must pen a letter to my bank
>and see if they want to get involved in this new internet thingy captain
>underpants and you just invented. Cretin.

Is your bank is a small business or are you arguing that only low
bandwidth applications should be offered to small businesses.

>
>> Perhaps by using the WAN to cooperate with suppliers to rapidly develop
>> products and services.
>
>Another LABOR BREAKTHROUGH!!! O LORDY LORDY, where have you been all of
>our lives!
>
>
>> They could invite experts that they could not
>> otherwise afford to a brief virtual meeting without the experts having
>> to leave their own offices.
>
>Now THAT is a new LABOR invention. Video conferencing.

Do you think you could offer your services on this style of video
conference <http://tinyurl.com/ay92l6u> using a 1Mbps uplink?

>
>
>> They might share and make use of "big data"
>> at a comparable level to their larger competitors.
>
>WOW! A Labor throw away word! "Big Data". On "The Cloud" no doubt?

Just because you don't understand them does not mean you should throw
away the terms. You could make good use of the cloud yourself by
posting a link rather than the reams of copied text that often
characterise your posts.

>So how is the NBN going to provide BIG DATA to people? And why should it?
>Hint stupid. http://www.abs.gov.au That site has plenty of BIG DATA,
>all available through a user interface that works just fine at current
>speeds. The database queries are still going to be run on HUMUNGOUS Sun
>servers, the PL/SQL geing written by a well know genius, and transferred
>to a Java front end written by one of his mates. Or would you like to
>download all of the data from the ABS? That is going to tie up your
>100Mbps link for a few months...

If you can use SQL then, by definition, it's not big data.

>
>
>> There are some spare
>> ports on an NTU so it is possible to access (or provide) specialised
>> data streams and applications not available via the Internet.
>>
>> To be honest, I don't have a clue
>
>That much is fucking obvious. Nor does Captain Underpants. I really
>don't care WHAT you stupid people get up to in private. When you want to
>waste $100 BILLION of general revenue it becomes my business.

Nobody except you has claimed the cost is $100b and the money is _not_
coming out of general revenue. You could at least get the facts and
the terminology right.

>
>
>
>> but I know it won't be by having the
>> sort of web site that appears to be the limit of your, and probably my,
>> imagination.
>
>You're a fucking idiot. Imagination is all you have. And not much at
>that.

Imagination is a big help. I agree that mine is limited but at least I
can appreciate the talent of those that have it. You don't seem to
understand that the giants of computing imagined how society could, or
would, be changed and developed the software that made it happen. My
livelihood and yours depended on them.

>> In 40 years I have learned that I know only a tiny fraction of the IT
>
>Less than that...
>
>> world and that most of what I know now will be out of date in five
>> years.
>
>Yeah. You lefties REALLY don't "get" irony do you? It is probably the
>fact that you all share a poor education. You just penned that wisdom on
>a machine that is running BSD UNIX,

Windows 7. Why did you think otherwise?

> and sent it via NNTP over TCP/IP.
>And NO-ONE uses SQL any longer hey? Or COBOL. Or JES. Or JCL. Or RPG.
>Or C. Or Perl. Or PHP. Or Java. Or BASIC.

You can't be serious! In almost all of those anything substantial
written today would not run under the original version. Some depend on
massive libraries of code and APIs that are changing every week. You
might think that your experience with Dartmouth BASIC qualifies you to
write in Visual Basic but nobody else would. And on what basis did you
include JES?

.
>
>
>> On the other hand, you tell us all you know about the trivial
>> aspects of current web sites as though it was useful information.
>
>Lost ya hey stupid? Sorry.
>
>> Worse
>> still, you imagine that it will still be true in five years time.
>
>Indeed it will. HTML5 and CSS3 (neither quite finished yet) will provide
>the foundations for cross device development for perhaps the next decade.

Given the cycle of [X]HTML versions that seems unlikely. Anyway, as
you say, they are not finished yet and I bet the HTML5 you write today
will not validate in five years time even if you could be bothered to
validate it today.

>>
>> You are not stupid, you are just blinkered by your conviction that you
>> know everything.
>
>Not everything. Just a WHOLE FUCKING LOT MORE THAN YOU...
>
>
>> I would expect the fact that you can now virtually
>> attend Sedgewick's lectures rather than just reading his books would
>> tell you that major changes have taken place.
>
>Yeah. In about 1988.
>And again in 1994.

I don't doubt you used his books. We all did. Don't you think that
there is a huge shift between reading his book and being able to
attend his lectures? Don't you have the imagination to see that a
similar, if unpredictable, shift will happen in the next 20 years?

>
>> It could even tell you
>> that further changes are on the way. But no, all you can think of is the
>> bleeding obvious - it doesn't need more bandwidth than most people have.
>
>You're a fucking idiot Levi.

I have explained why you _need_ to believe that
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect>. If you
were not afflicted you would be able to understand your problem.
Meanwhile, I suggest you resist the abuse in order not to expose your
weakness to your many avid readers.