iPhone failings great for Telstra: Burgess
Alan Parkington
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/iPhone-failings-great-for-Telstra-Burgess/0,130061791,339292210,00.htm
The iPhone's shortcomings have been a boon to Telstra, the telco's outgoing
public policy chief Phil Burgess claimed in his last Australian speech
yesterday.
"One of the best things that has happened to us at Telstra is the iPhone
because people think, hah, I want to get an iPhone. Well, how do I get video
calls on it? Well, you can't do video calls on it," he said during the
speech to the Lowy Institute.
"How can I get 33 channels of live TV on it?" he continued, referring to
services available on other devices on Telstra's Next G network. "Well you
can't get 33 channels of live TV. I can't? Well, I thought the iPhone was
the best in the world. Well it isn't. It's the best in the United States.
The United States is a third-world country when it comes to wireless."
Despite the fact that Telstra is one of the vendors offering the gadget in
Australia, Burgess further dug his boot into the device because of its
limitations.
"It has embedded code that makes it hard to import material from outside the
walled garden of Apple. That's the way they operate," he said.
Australia led the world in mobile, Burgess told the gathering, which he said
meant that expectant users bit enthusiastically into their Apple iPhone,
only to discover a sour taste.
On other topics, however, the executive didn't look at Australia in such a
kind light. He railed against Australian policy of putting big companies on
a leash, keeping them as big fish in a small pond instead of allowing them
to grow and attack global giants, such as Google, Microsoft and Yahoo, which
he considered to be Telstra's true competitors.
"Our biggest competitor is not Optus. Our major competitor is Google. Our
major competitor is Yahoo. Our major competitors are people like Microsoft,"
he said.
By holding companies like Telstra back, Australia was stopping them from
finding suitable partners to succeed in the global economy, Burgess said.
"Pretty soon, the world's passed it by and all the good partners have
already checked off their dance card. It's stupid," he said. "And then all
of a sudden you wake up some day and half the people in your neighbourhood
have Google for wireless."
Whether Australia was overrun by Google or not, Burgess professed that he
had grown to admire and care for the sunburned country in his 38-month
tenure.
He valued Australian ideas such as "mateship" and the "fair go", although he
wasn't a fan of the "she'll be right" concept, which he considered had
brought a certain apathy to injustices such as the awarding of the OPEL
contract.
He praised Australia's economic management, social stability with so many
cultures and strategic economic positioning within Asia.
However, he felt Australians scored a fail on their faith in "regulators and
policy wonks", the amount of power and place in the media awarded to
bureaucrats, and the use of ideas such as "future-proofing". He said he
would rather be bullet-proof, fireproof, or most of all foolproof.
His last piece of advice was that Australian business should not get too
cosy with government.
Rod Speed
> The iPhone's shortcomings have been a boon to Telstra, the telco's outgoing public policy chief Phil Burgess claimed
> in his last Australian speech yesterday.
What is it with you and the hippo ?
> "One of the best things that has happened to us at Telstra is the
> iPhone because people think, hah, I want to get an iPhone. Well, how do I get video calls on it? Well, you can't do
> video calls on it," he said during the speech to the Lowy Institute.
> "How can I get 33 channels of live TV on it?" he continued, referring
> to services available on other devices on Telstra's Next G network.
> "Well you can't get 33 channels of live TV. I can't? Well, I thought
> the iPhone was the best in the world. Well it isn't. It's the best in the United States. The United States is a
> third-world country when it
> comes to wireless."
> Despite the fact that Telstra is one of the vendors offering the gadget in Australia, Burgess further dug his boot
> into the device because of its limitations.
He's just bitter and twisted because he's got the bums rush right back to where he came from.
> "It has embedded code that makes it hard to import material from outside the walled garden of Apple. That's the way
> they operate," he said.
> Australia led the world in mobile, Burgess told the gathering,
Bare faced lie.
> which he said meant that expectant users bit enthusiastically into their Apple iPhone, only to discover a sour taste.
True in spades of the shit handsets Telstra had for NextG.
> On other topics, however, the executive didn't look at Australia in such a kind light. He railed against Australian
> policy of putting big companies on a leash,
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> keeping them as big fish in a small pond instead of allowing them to grow and attack global giants, such as Google,
> Microsoft and Yahoo,
Telstra will ever ever do anything even remotely resembling anything like that, fuckwit.
> which he considered to be Telstra's true competitors.
Wota terminal fuckwit.
> "Our biggest competitor is not Optus. Our major competitor is Google.
Wota terminal fuckwit.
> Our major competitor is Yahoo.
Wota terminal fuckwit.
> Our major competitors are people like Microsoft," he said.
Wota terminal fuckwit.
> By holding companies like Telstra back, Australia was stopping them from finding suitable partners to succeed in the
> global economy, Burgess said.
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> "Pretty soon, the world's passed it by and all the good partners have already checked off their dance card. It's
> stupid," he said.
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> "And then all of a sudden you wake up some day and half the people in your neighbourhood have Google for wireless."
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> Whether Australia was overrun by Google or not,
They leave Sensis for dead, fuckwit.
> Burgess professed that he had grown to admire and care for the sunburned country in his 38-month tenure.
No one cares what some fuckwit hippo claims.
> He valued Australian ideas such as "mateship" and the "fair go",
> although he wasn't a fan of the "she'll be right" concept,
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> which he considered had brought a certain apathy to injustices such as the awarding of the OPEL contract.
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> He praised Australia's economic management,
We werent stupid enough to have a sub prime fiasco, fuckwit.
> social stability with so many cultures and strategic economic positioning within Asia.
Yep, leave fuckwit yanks for dead.
> However, he felt Australians scored a fail on their faith in "regulators and policy wonks", the amount of power and
> place in the media awarded to bureaucrats, and the use of ideas such as "future-proofing".
Like it or lump it or fuck off back where you came from, fuckwit. Hang on...
> He said he would rather be bullet-proof, fireproof, or most of all foolproof.
No one cares what some fuckwit hippo would rather be.
> His last piece of advice was that Australian business should not get too cosy with government.
None of them are actually stupid enough to get so completely offside with govt.
Which is why you got the bums rush, right back where you came from, fuckwit.
Doug Jewell
> Alan Poxington <wan...@wewankourselvescompletelyblind.com.au> wrote
>
>> From
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/iPhone-failings-great-for-Telstra-Burgess/0,130061791,339292210,00.htm
>
>> The iPhone's shortcomings have been a boon to Telstra, the telco's outgoing public policy chief Phil Burgess claimed
>> in his last Australian speech yesterday.
>
> What is it with you and the hippo ?
>
>> "One of the best things that has happened to us at Telstra is the
>> iPhone because people think, hah, I want to get an iPhone. Well, how do I get video calls on it? Well, you can't do
>> video calls on it," he said during the speech to the Lowy Institute.
>
>> "How can I get 33 channels of live TV on it?" he continued, referring
>> to services available on other devices on Telstra's Next G network.
>> "Well you can't get 33 channels of live TV. I can't? Well, I thought
>> the iPhone was the best in the world. Well it isn't. It's the best in the United States. The United States is a
>> third-world country when it
>> comes to wireless."
>
>> Despite the fact that Telstra is one of the vendors offering the gadget in Australia, Burgess further dug his boot
>> into the device because of its limitations.
>
> He's just bitter and twisted because he's got the bums rush right back to where he came from.
relatively basic handset. But it can do video calling (handy for someone
who frequently travels away from home, so can see the kids), it can do
MMS, it can do foxtel (less useful admittedly), and with the addition of
a bluetooth GPS receiver and some free software, it can do GPS that
works, it's bluetooth works with carkits and headsets. That in a handset
that was $0 upfront on a $40 plan 18 months ago, and is now considered
obsolete.
If I was looking at spending the money that an iPhone costs, I'd rather
spend my money on a Windows Mobile device such as the HTC Diamond, Treo
Pro or iMate. All of these handsets will do basically everything the
iPhone does, plus everything a real NextG phone does (video calls, mms,
etc) - plus you can have access to word & excel docs, you have access to
many third party applications including things like real GPS
applications (not this google-maps crap that will cost you a motza in
downloads and only works where there is phone signal).
Should add that since the iPhone doesn't have a real GPS receiver, but
triangulates off mobile phone towers, the GPS function only works where
there are 3 towers within range anyway - that condition may exist in
some parts of capital cities, but anywhere else, you're screwed.
iPhone looks pretty, but at the end of the day it is over-priced,
over-hyped, and under-featured.
Rod Speed
>>> The iPhone's shortcomings have been a boon to Telstra, the telco's outgoing public policy chief Phil Burgess claimed
>>> in his last Australian speech yesterday.
>> What is it with you and the hippo ?
>>> "One of the best things that has happened to us at Telstra is the
>>> iPhone because people think, hah, I want to get an iPhone. Well,
>>> how do I get video calls on it? Well, you can't do video calls on
>>> it," he said during the speech to the Lowy Institute.
>>> "How can I get 33 channels of live TV on it?" he continued, referring to services available on other devices on
>>> Telstra's Next G network.
>>> "Well you can't get 33 channels of live TV. I can't? Well, I thought
>>> the iPhone was the best in the world. Well it isn't. It's the best
>>> in the United States. The United States is a third-world country
>>> when it comes to wireless."
>>> Despite the fact that Telstra is one of the vendors offering the
>>> gadget in Australia, Burgess further dug his boot into the device
>>> because of its limitations.
>> He's just bitter and twisted because he's got the bums rush right back to where he came from.
> He's perfectly correct though
Nope, and nothing like it either.
> - I've got a motorola v6 - an old, relatively basic handset.
How did you end up with such a dud ?
> But it can do video calling (handy for someone who frequently travels away from home, so can see the kids), it can do
> MMS, it can do foxtel (less useful admittedly), and with the addition of a bluetooth GPS receiver and some free
> software, it can do GPS that works, it's bluetooth works with carkits and
> headsets. That in a handset that was $0 upfront on a $40 plan 18 months ago, and is now considered obsolete.
> If I was looking at spending the money that an iPhone costs, I'd rather spend my money on a Windows Mobile device such
> as the HTC Diamond, Treo Pro or iMate.
> All of these handsets will do basically everything the iPhone does, plus everything a real NextG phone does (video
> calls, mms, etc) - plus you can have access to word & excel docs, you have access to many third party applications
> including things like real GPS applications (not this google-maps crap that will cost you a motza in downloads and
> only works where there is phone signal).
> Should add that since the iPhone doesn't have a real GPS receiver, but triangulates off mobile phone towers, the GPS
> function only works
> where there are 3 towers within range anyway - that condition may
> exist in some parts of capital cities, but anywhere else, you're screwed.
> iPhone looks pretty, but at the end of the day it is over-priced, over-hyped, and under-featured.
Its no news that the iphone is a very limited dud
with some interesting ideas and no more than that.
And that isnt very surprising given that its from an
operation that has never produced a mobile phone before.
The hippo is just plain wrong that that benefits Telstra in any way what so ever.
Fuck all of those who even consider buying an iphone wouldnt have already got a mobile phone.
Doug Jewell
> Doug Jewell <a...@and.find.out> wrote
>> He's perfectly correct though
>
> Nope, and nothing like it either.
which of his statements isn't true?
The USA is behind Australia in phone technology.
The iPhone is seriously limited, and behind what we already have in
Australia.
When people realise the iPhone's limitations, they are more likely to
make their next handset a more well-featured one - and of the networks
in Australia, Telstra offer the best features.
>
>> - I've got a motorola v6 - an old, relatively basic handset.
>
> How did you end up with such a dud ?
I buy a phone based on getting what I consider the best handset for the
spend level that I use. I need NextG for the coverage so going with
Telstra was my only choice (If I could get the coverage with another
carrier I'd ditch them in a heartbeat). My previous handset died, the
$40 plan suits my needs pretty well, and the V6 was the best handset on
a $40 plan. I wouldn't say it's a dud - it works well, and does all I
want from it. I would maybe consider a PDA-Phone, but my PDA combined
with the V6 does all I need.
<snip>
> iPhone looks pretty, but at the end of the day it is over-priced, over-hyped, and under-featured.
>
> Its no news that the iphone is a very limited dud
> with some interesting ideas and no more than that.
Which makes it even more amazing that people queued up to be the first
to get it. I guess it shows that a good marketing campaign is more
important than the quality of the product. Some of the trendy 20
somethings at my work have got them, and are starting to complain about
the limitations. One in particular has gone back to his regular handset
and uses his iphone just as an iPod - an iPod touch would serve him just
as well and would have cost less.
>
> And that isnt very surprising given that its from an
> operation that has never produced a mobile phone before.
But you'd think they would look at what else is around and incorporate
some of those features so the iPhone is at least a current-technology
handset. If some other company decided to enter the phone market with a
high-end handset, but left off features that have been standard in the
low and mid end for a couple of years, they wouldn't even get a look in.
iPhone lacks Video Calling, MMS, Voice Dialling and full Bluetooth
compatibility, which these days are in all but the very cheapest handsets.
>
> The hippo is just plain wrong that that benefits Telstra in any way what so ever.
I'm pretty sure what he means is that the absence of those features on
iPhone will encourage people to get Telstra handsets that do offer those
features. The iPhone awakens awareness to 3G capabilities, then people
discover that there are better 3G handsets than the iPhone.
>
> Fuck all of those who even consider buying an iphone wouldnt have already got a mobile phone.
True.
>
>
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Doug Jewell <a...@and.find.out> wrote
>>>> Alan Poxington <wan...@wewankourselvescompletelyblind.com.au> wrote
>>>>> From
>>>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/iPhone-failings-great-for-Telstra-Burgess/0,130061791,339292210,00.htm
>>>>> The iPhone's shortcomings have been a boon to Telstra, the telco's outgoing public policy chief Phil Burgess
>>>>> claimed in his last Australian speech yesterday.
>>>> What is it with you and the hippo ?
>>>>> "One of the best things that has happened to us at Telstra is the
>>>>> iPhone because people think, hah, I want to get an iPhone. Well,
>>>>> how do I get video calls on it? Well, you can't do video calls on
>>>>> it," he said during the speech to the Lowy Institute.
>>>>> "How can I get 33 channels of live TV on it?" he continued, referring to services available on other devices on
>>>>> Telstra's Next G network.
>>>>> "Well you can't get 33 channels of live TV. I can't? Well, I thought
>>>>> the iPhone was the best in the world. Well it isn't. It's the best
>>>>> in the United States. The United States is a third-world country
>>>>> when it comes to wireless."
>>> Despite the fact that Telstra is one of the vendors offering the gadget in Australia, Burgess further dug his boot
>>> into the device because of its limitations.
>> He's just bitter and twisted because he's got the bums rush right back to where he came from.
>>> He's perfectly correct though
>> Nope, and nothing like it either.
> which of his statements isn't true?
Like I said, that there was no benefit for Telstra from the iphone being a dud.
> The USA is behind Australia in phone technology.
He didnt say that. And that would be a lie if he had said that.
> The iPhone is seriously limited,
Anyone with a clue had already noticed that, as I said.
> and behind what we already have in Australia.
Behind what they already have in the US too.
> When people realise the iPhone's limitations, they are more likely to make their next handset a more well-featured one
Wrong. He clearly hasnt got a fucking why why fools buy iphones.
> - and of the networks in Australia, Telstra offer the best features.
He didnt say that either, and that would be a bare faced lie if he did.
Its actually got one of the worst features, the stupid use of the 850MHz
band for 3G which drastically restricts the handsets you get to choose from.
>>> - I've got a motorola v6 - an old, relatively basic handset.
>> How did you end up with such a dud ?
> I buy a phone based on getting what I consider the best handset for the spend level that I use.
You didnt get that with that dud.
> I need NextG for the coverage so going with Telstra was my only choice
Irrelevant to the handset choice you made.
> (If I could get the coverage with another carrier I'd ditch them in a heartbeat). My previous handset died, the $40
> plan suits my needs pretty well, and the V6 was the best handset on a $40 plan.
Nope.
> I wouldn't say it's a dud
Its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
> - it works well,
No it doesnt, its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
> and does all I want from it.
More fool you.
> I would maybe consider a PDA-Phone, but my PDA combined with the V6 does all I need.
Makes a lot more sense to have everything in the one device.
>>> iPhone looks pretty, but at the end of the day it is over-priced, over-hyped, and under-featured.
>> Its no news that the iphone is a very limited dud
>> with some interesting ideas and no more than that.
> Which makes it even more amazing that people queued up to be the first to get it.
Nope, not when you realise what fools Apple buyers have always been, and always will be.
> I guess it shows that a good marketing campaign is more important than the quality of the product.
Yep. In spades when flogging stuff to fools like that.
> Some of the trendy 20 somethings at my work have got them, and are starting to complain about the limitations.
And they are obviously too stupid to have even worked
out what it couldnt do before they signed up for one.
> One in particular has gone back to his regular handset and uses his iphone just as an iPod - an iPod touch would
> serve him just as well and would have cost less.
Its no news that some fools are that stupid.
And it remains to be seen if he does stuff on the iphone that he cant do on an ipod touch.
>> And that isnt very surprising given that its from an
>> operation that has never produced a mobile phone before.
> But you'd think they would look at what else is around and incorporate some of those features so the iPhone is at
> least a current-technology handset.
They are too stupid to do something as basic as that.
They're even too stupid to do something as basic as
use a system that allows the user to change the battery.
> If some other company decided to enter the phone market with a high-end handset, but left off features that have been
> standard in the low and mid end for a couple of years, they wouldn't even get a look in.
Thats just plain wrong. It isnt the only high end dud around.
Its just got hordes more suckers too stupid to even consider features before buy it.
> iPhone lacks Video Calling, MMS, Voice Dialling and full Bluetooth compatibility,
And no cut and paste, no user changeable battery, no card slot, no keyboard,
no capacity to run any third party apps you want to use, didnt have 3G until
very recently, cant be bought outright, no real GPS, etc etc etc either.
> which these days are in all but the very cheapest handsets.
Duh.
>> The hippo is just plain wrong that that benefits Telstra in any way what so ever.
> I'm pretty sure what he means is that the absence of those features on iPhone will encourage people to get Telstra
> handsets that do offer those features.
He's just plain wrong. The only thing it might do is encourage a few
to not get an iphone and get something better instead and not bother
with Telstra at all unless they need coverage that only NextG provides,
and that last is completely irrelevant to the iphone.
> The iPhone awakens awareness to 3G capabilities,
Wrong.
> then people discover that there are better 3G handsets than the iPhone.
And only fools bother with Telstra unless they need the coverage that
NextG has, because its such lousy value 3G and is so limited itself.
Telstra doesnt even fully support what the iphone can do.
Snapper
> a $40 plan. I wouldn't say it's a dud - it works well, and does all I
> want from it. I would maybe consider a PDA-Phone, but my PDA combined
> with the V6 does all I need.
Same here. Had a Palm Treo 750 which replaced an aging Palm Zire PDA and a
Samsung A501.
After a while I decided that it was a compromise as both a phone and a PDA. I
tossed up between a PalmOS PDA and a Windows Mobile PDA. Ended up getting the
latter. I ressurected my Samsung for a while. Then the V9 Moto came down to a
$40 plan on NextG. So when my contract was nearly up, I talked to Telstra which
waived the ETCs and got the V9.
The V9 sync's my contacts and calendar data with Outlook, as does the PDA (HP
iPaq 112), perfectly. I use the iPaq for work and when I'm travelling the V9
does me fine, although I often have both with me.
Snapper
> > I wouldn't say it's a dud
>
> Its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
What's fucked about it?
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> I wouldn't say it's a dud
>> Its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
> What's fucked about it?
Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
that you dont use much without using the manual.
Doug Jewell
send my PalmTX off for a repair a while back, and since my PDA is pretty
much essential for work, work lent me a Treo 750 to use in the meantime.
In some ways carrying one device was handy, but there were a few quirks
to it. I like the much bigger screen of the dedicated PDA - better for
documents, images, GPS, internet. The treo's keyboard was very nice for
texting though. I must say though, I prefer PalmOS over windows mobile.
The V6 synchs nicely with outlook, and by suitably categorising my
contacts on outlook/pda, and can choose which ones to put on the phone
(don't want all 500 odd on there).
One of the little palm centro's is looking tempting at the moment, and
not a big outlay at $300 to give it a whirl. Lack of NextG support is a
killer for me though - i need the coverage. If they re-release it with
WCDMA850 support I'm pretty sure I'd get one.
Doug Jewell
it. When I first switched to Motorola from Nokia it was a little odd at
first, but I quickly adjusted to it. The main thing I found odd was that
the position of the call/hangup buttons was swapped.
I much prefer Motorola's predictive text over any other handset I've
used. But realistically, these days, there is very little difference
between interface on most phones - they are all very similar with the
menu button, icon categories, and listed subcategories. Things like
contacts, messaging, settings, applications etc are all pretty much
standardised. Slight differences seem to occur in things like predictive
text, and ordering of submenus, but that's about it.
>
>
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Snapper <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> I wouldn't say it's a dud
>>>> Its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
>>> What's fucked about it?
>> Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
>> that you dont use much without using the manual.
> Can't say I've ever read the manual on my V6, or on the V3 I had before it.
Then you cant have done much with them.
> When I first switched to Motorola from Nokia it was a little odd at first, but I quickly adjusted to it. The main
> thing I found odd was that the position of the call/hangup buttons was swapped.
That aint one of the more obscure functions that you dont use much.
> I much prefer Motorola's predictive text over any other handset I've used. But realistically, these days, there is
> very little difference between interface on most phones
Complete and utter drivel.
> - they are all very similar with the menu button, icon categories, and listed subcategories.
Complete and utter drivel.
> Things like contacts, messaging, settings, applications etc are all pretty much standardised.
Complete and utter drivel.
> Slight differences seem to occur in things like predictive text, and ordering of submenus, but that's about it.
Complete and utter drivel.
Doug Jewell
> Doug Jewell <a...@and.find.out> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Snapper <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>>> I wouldn't say it's a dud
>
>>>>> Its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
>
>>>> What's fucked about it?
>
>>> Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
>>> that you dont use much without using the manual.
>
>> Can't say I've ever read the manual on my V6, or on the V3 I had before it.
>
> Then you cant have done much with them.
>
>> When I first switched to Motorola from Nokia it was a little odd at first, but I quickly adjusted to it. The main
>> thing I found odd was that the position of the call/hangup buttons was swapped.
>
> That aint one of the more obscure functions that you dont use much.
the first couple of days.
Name one obscure function that the interface is bad for?
Snapper
> > What's fucked about it?
>
> Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
> that you dont use much without using the manual.
I'm trying to work out what's obscure about it. I found it different to the
Samsung and the Nokias, but it didn't take much to get familiar with it.
Also, you can program the keys to do specific stuff, re-organise the main menu
to your liking. I set it so calendar and messages are accessible via the "soft
keys" and that the address book is opened when I press the centre of the "nav"
key. Further, the up, down, left and right nav keys are programmed for commonly
used and some not so commonly used functions.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Doug Jewell <a...@and.find.out> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Snapper <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> I wouldn't say it's a dud
>>>>>> Its got a completely fucked user interface, like all Motorolas.
>>>>> What's fucked about it?
>>>> Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
>>>> that you dont use much without using the manual.
>>> Can't say I've ever read the manual on my V6, or on the V3 I had before it.
>> Then you cant have done much with them.
> Done plenty with it.
Cant have done much that you dont do very often.
>>> When I first switched to Motorola from Nokia it was a little odd at
>>> first, but I quickly adjusted to it. The main thing I found odd was
>>> that the position of the call/hangup buttons was swapped.
>> That aint one of the more obscure functions that you dont use much.
> It ain't obscure, but that was the main thing I had difficulty with for the first couple of days.
It wasnt what I was talking about.
> Name one obscure function that the interface is bad for?
Dont have a Motorola handy to find that with.
One of the Korean steaming turds was hopeless for something as basic as deleting an SMS, not possible without the
manual.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> What's fucked about it?
>> Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
>> that you dont use much without using the manual.
>
> I'm trying to work out what's obscure about it. I found it different
> to the Samsung and the Nokias, but it didn't take much to get
> familiar with it.
Again, thats not the obscure function that you dont use much.
> Also, you can program the keys to do specific stuff, re-organise the main menu to your liking.
Sure, but you shouldnt have to fart around and reorganise a user interface that properly designed in the first place.
> I set it so calendar and messages are accessible via the "soft keys"
> and that the address book is opened when I press the centre of the
> "nav" key. Further, the up, down, left and right nav keys are programmed
> for commonly used and some not so commonly used functions.
That should be done out of the box with a properly designed user interface.
Rod Speed
>> Done plenty with it.
One obvious example of the fucked user interface with the V9 is locking the phone,
you have to fart around with the menus to lock it manually, and it doesnt even unlock
auto when it rings and you cant even set it to do that if you prefer that behavious.
All the Nokias have an easy way to lock the phone which doesnt involve the menus and
they always tell you how to unlock it on the screen when you hit a key when its locked.
Another example of the fucked user interface with the V9 is when connecting it using USB
to the PC. You have to specify how it will be connected using menus. With Nokias you just
select how you want to connect when you actually connect, from the list of possibilitys.
Doug Jewell
allows customisation to suit the operator. Some people do lots of text,
others rarely use it. Another might use it frequently for the camera,
another might use the music player frequently etc. Motorola allows you
to customise the UI so that the things YOU use are at your fingertips.
>
>
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Snapper <snap...@y7mail.com.invalid> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> What's fucked about it?
>>>> Completely counter intuitive. You cant do obscure functions
>>>> that you dont use much without using the manual.
>>> I'm trying to work out what's obscure about it. I found it different to the Samsung and the Nokias, but it didn't
>>> take much to get familiar with it.
>> Again, thats not the obscure function that you dont use much.
>>> Also, you can program the keys to do specific stuff, re-organise the main menu to your liking.
>> Sure, but you shouldnt have to fart around and reorganise a user interface that properly designed in the first place.
>>> I set it so calendar and messages are accessible via the "soft keys"
>>> and that the address book is opened when I press the centre of the
>>> "nav" key. Further, the up, down, left and right nav keys are programmed for commonly used and some not so commonly
>>> used functions.
>> That should be done out of the box with a properly designed user interface.
> I would counter that argument by saying that a properly designed UI allows customisation to suit the operator.
You obviously need both, and Nokia does both.
> Some people do lots of text, others rarely use it.
Doesnt mean that the UI has to be redesigned for either group if its done properly in the first place.
> Another might use it frequently for the camera, another might use the music player frequently etc.
Again, its perfectly possible to do the UI so both are easy to use.
> Motorola allows you to customise the UI so that the things YOU use are at your fingertips.
So does Nokia, and Nokia gets it right out of the box AS WELL.
Snapper
> I much prefer Motorola's predictive text over any other handset I've
> used. But realistically, these days, there is very little difference
Dunno if I prefer it, as I have to scroll through the different modes in order
to say add an "s" to a word that is formed predictively. However, once that word
has been formed it remembers it.
I dunno why Rod thinks it's counter-intuitive. Horses for courses, I s'pose.
Snapper
> One of the Korean steaming turds was hopeless for something as basic as deleting an SMS, not possible without the
> manual.
On the Motorola? If so, you simply highlight it, select "options" and then
select "delete". Not hard, and certainly not obscure.
Or you can delete it after reading it while still viewing the SMS's contents.
Snapper
> Another example of the fucked user interface with the V9 is when connecting it using USB
> to the PC. You have to specify how it will be connected using menus. With Nokias you just
> select how you want to connect when you actually connect, from the list of possibilitys.
With the V9 it does it automatically. It's default is USB mode which means that
it acts as a memory stick or thumbdrive. You merely open it up in Windows
Explorer.
When using Motorola Phone Tools, it will change to "modem" mode when you start
fucking around with the contacts or calendar data.
And when using MPT and you are transfering images or mp3s or whatever it changes
back to the required mode automatically.
Mind you, mine's a Telstra NextG model. Other models may differ, as it seems
that they all fuck around with the firmware to give it their own personal touch
to it.
Snapper
> > That should be done out of the box with a properly designed user interface.
> I would counter that argument by saying that a properly designed UI
> allows customisation to suit the operator. Some people do lots of text,
That's what I like about it. I moved the less used features from the front end
and put the ones that I use the most up front.
Easy peasy.
> others rarely use it. Another might use it frequently for the camera,
The camera is automatically fired up when you press one of the side buttons.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Another example of the fucked user interface with the V9 is when
>> connecting it using USB to the PC. You have to specify how it will
>> be connected using menus. With Nokias you just select how you want
>> to connect when you actually connect, from the list of possibilitys.
> With the V9 it does it automatically.
No it doesnt.
> It's default is USB mode which means that it acts as a memory
> stick or thumbdrive. You merely open it up in Windows Explorer.
Pity about when you want something else.
> When using Motorola Phone Tools, it will change to "modem" mode
> when you start fucking around with the contacts or calendar data.
> And when using MPT and you are transfering images or mp3s or
> whatever it changes back to the required mode automatically.
No it doesnt.
> Mind you, mine's a Telstra NextG model. Other models
> may differ, as it seems that they all fuck around with the
> firmware to give it their own personal touch to it.
You've mangled what the NextG model does.
Rod Speed
I didnt say the Motorola has that problem. That was a comment about
his stupid claim that they're all the same now. Pigs arse they are.
Snapper
> > With the V9 it does it automatically.
>
> No it doesnt.
Um, yes it does.
Open Main Menu by pressing the centre of the Navi key.
Select "Connection".
Then select "USB Settings".
Then select "default connection" (it's the only option on my phone).
I can now choose between Data connection, Memory Card and USB Printing.
Mine's set to Memory Card.
So, when I plug it in to the PC it comes up as a removable drive. I then copy
files to and from the phone's memory card.
> > It's default is USB mode which means that it acts as a memory
> > stick or thumbdrive. You merely open it up in Windows Explorer.
>
> Pity about when you want something else.
And it does it automatically under MPT.
> > And when using MPT and you are transfering images or mp3s or
> > whatever it changes back to the required mode automatically.
>
> No it doesnt.
Short of me creating a short video of the process and posting it somewhere I
dunno how I can prove this to you. Therefore you can believe what you wish to
believe. I'll continue to use the phone in the manner that I know it can be used
in.
> You've mangled what the NextG model does.
Nope. There's a thread on Whirlpool called "Motorola V9 General Discussion". In
it the various posters have described the features that their phones have. And
it's been noted that the various carriers tend to apply their own versions of
the firmware to the phones that they sell.
For example, most non-Telstra V9s can reply to an MMS either via SMS or MMS.
With the Telstra model it's an MMS reply only. You have to exit the message that
you're replying to and to create a new message. In that mode you can then choose
either MMS or text.
Optus V9s allow you to do more things on the front or outside screen than the
Telstra one. Eg, some allow you to read SMSes on the outside screen. The Telstra
one doesn't.
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> With the V9 it does it automatically.
>> No it doesnt.
> Um, yes it does.
No it doesnt.
> Open Main Menu by pressing the centre of the Navi key.
> Select "Connection".
> Then select "USB Settings".
> Then select "default connection" (it's the only option on my phone).
> I can now choose between Data connection, Memory Card and USB Printing.
> Mine's set to Memory Card.
> So, when I plug it in to the PC it comes up as a removable drive.
> I then copy files to and from the phone's memory card.
Pity about when you dont want it to come up in that mode, it doesnt come up in
one of the other modes automatically, you have to specify a different default.
>>> It's default is USB mode which means that it acts as a memory
>>> stick or thumbdrive. You merely open it up in Windows Explorer.
>> Pity about when you want something else.
> And it does it automatically under MPT.
No it doesnt.
>>> And when using MPT and you are transfering images or mp3s or
>>> whatever it changes back to the required mode automatically.
>> No it doesnt.
> Short of me creating a short video of the process and
> posting it somewhere I dunno how I can prove this to you.
You cant, you clearly said that you have to set the default mode manually.
> Therefore you can believe what you wish to believe. I'll continue
> to use the phone in the manner that I know it can be used in.
>> You've mangled what the NextG model does.
> Nope.
Yep.
> There's a thread on Whirlpool called "Motorola V9 General Discussion".
> In it the various posters have described the features that their phones have.
Irrelevant to whether yours does the above automatically, it clearly doesnt.
You have to set the default mode manually.
> And it's been noted that the various carriers tend to apply
> their own versions of the firmware to the phones that they sell.
Different matter entirely to whether yours does the above automatically, it clearly doesnt.
You have to set the default mode manually.
> For example, most non-Telstra V9s can reply to an MMS either
> via SMS or MMS. With the Telstra model it's an MMS reply only.
> You have to exit the message that you're replying to and to create
> a new message. In that mode you can then choose either MMS or text.
Different matter entirely to whether yours does the USB mode automatically, it clearly doesnt.
You have to set the default mode manually.
> Optus V9s allow you to do more things on the front or outside screen
> than the Telstra one. Eg, some allow you to read SMSes on the outside
> screen. The Telstra one doesn't.
Different matter entirely to whether yours does the USB mode automatically, it clearly doesnt.
You have to set the default mode manually.
Snapper
> Pity about when you dont want it to come up in that mode, it doesnt come up in
> one of the other modes automatically, you have to specify a different default.
So, what's so hard about that?
Most people would want it to connect in "USB mode" anyway, if they use Windows
Explorer to transfer photos, sound and movie files to or from the phone.
> > And it does it automatically under MPT.
>
> No it doesnt.
Yes it does.
I s'pose we could get into one of your pointless "did". "didn't". "did".
"didn't" arguments. But I won't.
You believe what you want to believe. I'll continue to to use the phone, one
which I own and use daily in the way that I know which works.
> > Short of me creating a short video of the process and
> > posting it somewhere I dunno how I can prove this to you.
>
> You cant, you clearly said that you have to set the default mode manually.
That's when the phone is initially connected to the PC via the USB cable.
Allows you to access it via Windows Explorer without having to change settings
first.
When using MPT, the phone's connection mode is changed automaticlaly depending
on what you're doing - connecting to the net, or transfering files or
synchronising calendar and contact data with Outlook. It's all automatic. No
need to change anything in the phone itself.
Just because a setting is a "default" one, it doesn't mean that it can't be
changed automatically by software.
> > There's a thread on Whirlpool called "Motorola V9 General Discussion".
> > In it the various posters have described the features that their phones have.
>
> Irrelevant to whether yours does the above automatically, it clearly doesnt.
I was talking about the differences between the various models, not about the
USB connection issue.
> You have to set the default mode manually.
Do you know of any other way to do this?
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Pity about when you dont want it to come up in that mode, it doesnt come up in
>> one of the other modes automatically, you have to specify a different default.
> So, what's so hard about that?
No one ever said anything about it being hard, just that is better if you dont have to fart around like that.
> Most people would want it to connect in "USB mode" anyway, if they use
> Windows Explorer to transfer photos, sound and movie files to or from the phone.
You dont know that either.
>>> And it does it automatically under MPT.
>> No it doesnt.
> Yes it does.
No it doesnt.
> I s'pose we could get into one of your pointless "did".
> "didn't". "did". "didn't" arguments.
Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?
> But I won't.
You just did.
> You believe what you want to believe. I'll continue to to use the phone,
> one which I own and use daily in the way that I know which works.
No one ever said it doesnt work. JUST that there are better ways to do the UI.
You can always do things the crude way. Its better if you dont have to.
>>> Short of me creating a short video of the process and
>>> posting it somewhere I dunno how I can prove this to you.
>> You cant, you clearly said that you have to set the default mode manually.
> That's when the phone is initially connected to the PC via the USB cable. Allows
> you to access it via Windows Explorer without having to change settings first.
ONLY if you havent set it to one of the other modes using the menus.
> When using MPT, the phone's connection mode is changed automaticlaly
> depending on what you're doing - connecting to the net, or transfering
> files or synchronising calendar and contact data with Outlook. It's all
> automatic. No need to change anything in the phone itself.
Pity about when you dont want it to come up in that mode, it doesnt come up in
one of the other modes automatically, you have to specify a different default.
> Just because a setting is a "default" one, it doesn't mean that it can't be changed automatically by software.
No one ever said it couldnt.
>>> There's a thread on Whirlpool called "Motorola V9 General Discussion".
>>> In it the various posters have described the features that their phones have.
>> Irrelevant to whether yours does the above automatically, it clearly doesnt.
> I was talking about the differences between the various models, not about the USB connection issue.
So was I.
>> You have to set the default mode manually.
> Do you know of any other way to do this?
Yep, the way I told you Nokias do it.