Nokia N95 GPS maps are SHIT!
ODB
good play with one at a friends place last night and realising that most
streets are missing from the bloody map (!) .....poor effort.
I hope you can install/upgrade the maps to proper, working ones. The excuse
that its not really a GPS unit wont wash, if its there it should work
properly, not half arsed....
davmel
> Well, I thought this was the phone to end all phones, but after having a
You must be new to the world. No manufacturer would ever build a perfect
phone - you would never need to buy another one from them!
There will ALWAYS be a bug or feature missing that will make you buy
something else in the future.
If you want decent updated local maps you will have to pay a premium to
cover the local costs in development.
My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each (optional
of course) but to cover the cost of updating local maps into a
proprietary format then you'll have to pay $$$.
You didn't pay a premium for accurate local maps in your device so
you've got what you've paid for.
Paul Day
> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each
I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to the route
finding algorithms that have required thousands of expensive man-hours
of coding to complete?
PD
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Paul Day
Rod Speed
> davmel wrote
>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each
> I've never quite understood that price...
Presumably its just another example of a newer
technology gouging the early adopters while they can.
> The same updated mapping data also goes straight into
> my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude less.
And costs them more to distribute in printed form too.
> Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to
> the route finding algorithms that have required thousands
> of expensive man-hours of coding to complete?
Obviously that was a sarcastic comment.
Paul Day
> > The same updated mapping data also goes straight into
> > my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude less.
>
> And costs them more to distribute in printed form too.
True - a CD-ROM, when pressed in quantity, costs stuff all to press,
charge for, handle and post.
> > Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to
> > the route finding algorithms that have required thousands
> > of expensive man-hours of coding to complete?
>
> Obviously that was a sarcastic comment.
No, reeeeeeeeallly??
;)
PD
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Paul Day
Rod Speed
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> The same updated mapping data also goes straight into
>>> my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude less.
>> And costs them more to distribute in printed form too.
> True - a CD-ROM, when pressed in quantity,
> costs stuff all to press, charge for, handle and post.
And even less to have avalilable for download
by those who have registered the product.
davmel
The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down to
all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on each
road, which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed traffic
intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus exact
locations for every address (not just streets but the exact location of
a number on that street) etc etc.... The list goes on and on with a
massive list of details that need to be entered, with optimised routes
between locations and accurate travel times based on what the stored
speed limit is for particular roads.
So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to enter
and verify for accuracy.
alxr
SmartcomGPS can use Oziexplorer maps and/or convert/make own.
The nokia maps are half-assed indeed.
alx
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Two Bob
Where do you get the equipment to handle all that data? All the units I have
seen, including my Navman, only average the data. Cant even tell you which
side of the street a particular address is.
The only reason they charge the prices they do is because of the maps cover
a larger area, eg. if you were to purchase a directory for all the major
cities, the price would be many hundreds of dollars more. Though, most ppl
are not interested in accurate map detail of somewhere on the other side of
the country. And country Victoria is something else! They should issue a
refund for them, because they are so inaccurate.
alxr
Handles it fine. Hey, yes there are inaccuracies in route planning and such.
All up, Australia fits on a 128 meg card with heaps to spare.
"Two Bob" <de...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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davmel
>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
>>>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each
>>> I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
>>> also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
>>> less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade to the route
>>> finding algorithms that have required thousands of expensive man-hours of
>>> coding to complete?
>> The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down to
>> all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on each road,
>> which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed traffic
>> intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus exact locations
>> for every address (not just streets but the exact location of a number on
>> that street) etc etc.... The list goes on and on with a massive list of
>> details that need to be entered, with optimised routes between locations
>> and accurate travel times based on what the stored speed limit is for
>> particular roads.
>> So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
>> static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to enter and
>> verify for accuracy.
>
> Where do you get the equipment to handle all that data? All the units I have
> seen, including my Navman, only average the data. Cant even tell you which
> side of the street a particular address is.
The in vehicle navigation systems run off a DVD (usually located under
the front left passenger seat) with nearly 9GB of space available to
record all the data required. Individual address details are sourced
from council property boundary data throughout the country (so you can't
enter in a street number that doesn't exist at the time of production)
which allows the system to indicate when near your destination that
"Your destination is 100m on the left" etc...
Rod Speed
>>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
>>>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each
>>> I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping
>>> data also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a
>>> magnitude less. Do these map updates include some magical upgrade
>>> to the route finding algorithms that have required thousands of
>>> expensive man-hours of coding to complete?
>> The rather large price of updated vehicle mapping systems comes down
>> to all the man hours required to input how many lanes there are on
>> each road, which lane you need to be in to make a turn etc, detailed
>> traffic intersection details with lane turning restrictions, plus
>> exact locations for every address (not just streets but the exact
>> location of a number on that street) etc etc.... The list goes on
>> and on with a massive list of details that need to be entered, with
>> optimised routes between locations and accurate travel times based
>> on what the stored speed limit is for particular roads.
>> So there's a great deal more information available than your typical
>> static map image and it all takes a huge number of man hours to
>> enter and verify for accuracy.
> Where do you get the equipment to handle all that data?
Nothing special required, anything that can run google.maps will do that fine.
> All the units I have seen, including my Navman, only average the data. Cant even tell you which
> side of the street a particular address is.
You need to get out more. The TomTom 710 and 910 gets
the side of the street right, and so does google.maps.
google.maps even shows the invididual properly boundarys so you can
trivially see the unusual block shapes etc when say buying real estate etc.
> The only reason they charge the prices they do is because of the maps
> cover a larger area, eg. if you were to purchase a directory for all
> the major cities, the price would be many hundreds of dollars more.
Wrong, you can buy all the capital city books for a lot less than the electronic format price.
And its obviously free to have the whole world with google.maps
> Though, most ppl are not interested in accurate map detail of somewhere on the other side of the
> country.
Most is irrelevant to the price being discussed.
> And country Victoria is something else! They should issue a refund for them, because they are so
> inaccurate.
Country NSW is fine with the TomTom maps with the exception of the
lack of street numbers and the POI detail. The POI is weird, you get some
stuff fine like my car dealer but not the local airport for some reason.
Two Bob
> them, because they are so
>> inaccurate.
>
> Country NSW is fine with the TomTom maps with the exception of the
> lack of street numbers and the POI detail. The POI is weird, you get some
> stuff fine like my car dealer but not the local airport for some reason.
;)
Maybe they would rather you travel by car than fly.
mrripcurl
SmartCom looks worth investigating. Nok offering an add-on (for a
price) for routing but no-one I know seems to have bought it! The
other trouble is the GPS is a very simple (and old) model so very slow
to come on-line at start and loses detail in hazy weather, built-up
areas, and if you moving "too fast". It operates from the bottom of
the unit rather than the top, and really needs the slider out! Better
off with HP or similar and proper GPS. However, as a intro model that
answers everyone's wish list to a certain extent the N95 is
interesting - pty the memory is so poor!
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Michael J
"Paul Day" <pa...@enigma.id.au> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:03:41 +1000 davmel may have written:
>> My car navigation system annual updates cost around $400 each
>
> I've never quite understood that price... The same updated mapping data
> also goes straight into my street map book, yet it costs me a magnitude
Volume of sales
alxr
Comparing moving map and routing softwares is apples and lemons territory.
Not much use.
I use the Smartcom for different needs (eg country touring or more detailed
at-a-glance viewing of surrounding as per paper maps.
SmartcomGPS handles the 100meg file size for some of the Syd or Melb cap
cities, easily tiling in and out of available memory.
Anything that Oziexplorer supports is readily converted for use on Smartcom.
Using anything from NRMA maps, HEMA, Cartoscope (regional touring maps).
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shark
The N95 Australian maps have now been updated. With this update I have
also found the search by address function is not dependant of server
connection and is very accurate. Also the moving maps function is more
accurate ie. Follows the road precisely. To update the maps use the
nokia map loader.
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shark