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$10,000 for an EL or '96 Fairmont?

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Jason James

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Mar 10, 2003, 1:57:49 AM3/10/03
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This car is a '96 Fairmont and has 174,000ks It looks ok without
accident damage. It has the 'torque controlled' six (first one with rolled
inlet tubes). Is metallic light blue/silvery paint.
Does this sound like reasonable value if it drives ok?

Forgot to check rego.

Thks for opinions
Jason


Matt Kilham

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Mar 10, 2003, 2:58:00 AM3/10/03
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Where in Australia is it? In Melbourne that's a pretty good price... beware
the high k's though, more than likely it's gonna have a few things which
need replacing/fixing.

Matt

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Noddy

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" Jason James" <strato...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> This car is a '96 Fairmont and has 174,000ks It looks ok without
> accident damage. It has the 'torque controlled' six (first one with rolled
> inlet tubes). Is metallic light blue/silvery paint.
> Does this sound like reasonable value if it drives ok?

Hi James.

A '96 model will be an EFII, and they're generally an excellent car for the
money they command. 10 grand sounds close to the low end of the price range,
but it's probably in light of it's mileage. Not that 174k km's is
excessively high, but you'd need to make some checks in key areas

Common problems with EF's are: (in no particular order of importance)

Front brake rotor runout
Brake light switches
Cooling system problems (stemming from neglect)
Transmission extension housing bush and oil seal wear
Noisy front suspensions
Electric window mechanism failure
Central locking actuators


Probably the most important check you can make on a used EF is to ensure the
cooling system is in excellent order, and that there are no stains or water
marks around the engine at various places, particularly on the driver's side
of the engine under the exhaust manifold. Any sign of coolant (which usually
leaves a visible white stain on the black engine) usually means the head
gasket isn't holding a seal, and it will need attention in the near future.
Not a cheap option.

Aside from this, they can be a very reliable car that provide reasonably
economical motoring, with the benefits of inexpensive servicing and
replacement parts. However, it is *vital* that the cooling system is
maintained regularly, and in accordance with Ford's maintenance procedure if
you wish to avoid future problems.

The after-market parts support for the EF range is immense, and the cars are
*very* cost effective in terms of maintenance. As I've mentioned to a few
people know who are looking for a cost effective sedan these days, if you
follow the Taxi industry, you can't go too far wrong in terms of reliability
and running costs.

The EF was a great car in it's day, and still is now, and the Taxi industry
swallowed up as many as they could get their hands on.

That says a lot about them really...

Regards,
Noddy.


Marco Spaccavento

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Mar 10, 2003, 4:07:43 AM3/10/03
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"Noddy" <n...@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message
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> A '96 model will be an EFII,

Could be an EL also - they came out sometime in mid-96 IIRC.


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Marco Spaccavento
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Jason James

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Mar 10, 2003, 6:21:32 AM3/10/03
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I'll definately check for coolant leaks and sludge in the coolant resevoir
and rad header tank. Cars out here tend to be travellers cars or they may
have had some dirt road work, though not so much these days.

There were some other EDs anda VR or S, but both had bonnet putty work you
could see in the sun under the hi-buffed paint.

Jason


Jason James

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Mar 10, 2003, 6:23:12 AM3/10/03
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Too true. If itslocal , they may have been for the most part hi-way miles,
buy you cant always tell.

Jason

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Graham

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Mar 10, 2003, 12:04:58 PM3/10/03
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Noddy wrote:
> Electric window mechanism failure

Another quality Rockwell/Meritor window regulator.....

I've had success with aerosol silicon lubricant on the offending window
track to improve running. The stuff is sold in marine chandlers for
lubricating sail tracks.

steve cunningham

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Mar 10, 2003, 2:27:53 PM3/10/03
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stay away from the chandlery.
as soon as you mention yacht you pay double.
my wife uses silicon spray on her industrial sewing machines and tables(it
makes fabric slide easy)
and i buy it from repco.
a million uses around the car for it , and for roller doors too.
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Jason James

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Mar 10, 2003, 9:59:48 PM3/10/03
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Noddy, I checked the cooling system and it was a mess. The car had not been
'serviced' so I got to see the naked truth. The resevoir or expansion
bottle/crate was discoloured with rust,..the coolant was rusty water with
particles in suspension. The rad cap was brand new making me think they had
been having cooling problems. The LHS of the block (exhaust) had a whitish
speckling that had survived the hi-pressure water cleaning.

I walked away from it and took a 96 Camry 2.2 manual for a drive. It had
150,000ks and drove smoothly with no clutch or engine noises above the
normal level of ticking from an engine which had done a few miles.
Anyhoo, I bought it for $8000. The guy knocked a grand off from 9K, but we
all know about their little 'discounted to you' games.

Jason


Noddy

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Mar 11, 2003, 7:39:19 AM3/11/03
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" Jason James" <strato...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:j4cba.752>

> Noddy, I checked the cooling system and it was a mess. The car had not
been
> 'serviced' so I got to see the naked truth. The resevoir or expansion
> bottle/crate was discoloured with rust,..the coolant was rusty water with
> particles in suspension. The rad cap was brand new making me think they
had
> been having cooling problems. The LHS of the block (exhaust) had a whitish
> speckling that had survived the hi-pressure water cleaning.

Yuk....

> I walked away from it and took a 96 Camry 2.2 manual for a drive. It had
> 150,000ks and drove smoothly with no clutch or engine noises above the
> normal level of ticking from an engine which had done a few miles.
> Anyhoo, I bought it for $8000. The guy knocked a grand off from 9K, but we
> all know about their little 'discounted to you' games.

Well done.

Camry's are a great car if you're after hassle free economical motoring, and
they're generally as solid as a rock.

Hope it serves you well for many years...

Regards,
Noddy.


Graham

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Mar 11, 2003, 8:18:50 AM3/11/03
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steve cunningham wrote:
> stay away from the chandlery.
> as soon as you mention yacht you pay double.

BOAT = Bring Out Another Thousand.....
Having said that, it was only $8 for a can which will probably last
years, and my friends had just spent far far more than that buying the
car.

> my wife uses silicon spray on her industrial sewing machines and
> tables(it makes fabric slide easy)
> and i buy it from repco.
> a million uses around the car for it , and for roller doors too.

I felt sure it existed in other industries.....

Of course if Rockwell/Meritor had managed to build a decent regulator in
the first place......

Noddy

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Mar 11, 2003, 4:05:40 PM3/11/03
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"Graham" <zeb...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message

> Of course if Rockwell/Meritor had managed to build a decent regulator in
> the first place......

Indeed.

They are relatively easy to repair, provided the cable doesn't get wrapped
around the drum and kinked, and I have substituted a $5 pushbike brake cable
on a couple of occasions when owners didn't want to spend a great deal of
money.

Still, the replacement regulators can be had new for under a couple of
hundred bucks, and that's a big advantage in Ford's favour.

Regards,
Noddy.


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