Some of you probably know that these cars are somewhat famous for design
faults, with the worst of them being lower front ball joint failures in as
little as 20k kms. They also have front brake hoses which were too short and
would kink and pull tight on their swagged ends when the suspension as at
full travel. Ford ended up doing a recall on this, but it took them ages to
get off their arses about it and only after a large number of cars had
suffered brake hose failure.
Other faults which are less well known mainly centre around the overall
cheapness and appallingly bad build quality of the things. Power window
failures due to snapped cable clips inside the door are common, the split
rear tailgate hinges sag to the point of the inner door dropping and rubbing
through the paint on the main door, suspension rattles and bangs are
*woefully* bad (I'm not kidding, but my RA Rodeo with it's light truck tyres
has a quieter ride), interior plastics quality is about as bad as you could
possibly get, the "premium" sound system has all the sound quality of a
1980's Tandy radio, the engine continually stalls when it's warm started and
is a pain in the ring to get running without giving it throttle, and the
paint is so thin that bugs actually chip it. My car is silver with black
primer, and every time I hit the highway in the thing and get a bug blast
I've got more lovely little black holes in the duco.
Anyway, the latest issue happened on Friday night.
I had to nick out to my local Officeworks to get some A0 plans copied, and
when I was coming home it was dark enough for the auto headlights to come
on. As I approached a corner and indicated the headlights went out. Turned
the corner, indicator came off and the headlights came back on. I start
wiggling the indicator stalk and all the lights start flicking on and off
like crazy. I muttered a few words that you don't repeat in good company,
wiggled the switch so the lights stayed off and turned on the driving lights
to get it home and threw it in the carport in disgust.
This afternoon I fitted a new multi-function switch as the original one had
worn out and fucked it's contacts. 196 bucks for a switch that feels like
it's made of painted potato chips and about 2 hours to fit thanks to
airbags, steering wheel mounted cruise and radio controls and a ridiculous
clockspring setup under the steering wheel to wire it all together.
If I sound a little miffed (as in more than usual :) then I am, as this is
their top of the line model that cost close to 70 grand on the road a tad
over three years ago and it's only done 71 thousand kays which is *way* too
short a period to be replacing steering column switches in my opinion. It's
a good thing the wife really enjoys driving it as I would have arse-holed
the thing ages ago. I know I've said it before, but his is absolutely,
positively my *last* ever locally made car.
Anyone wanna buy a decent Terry Ghia? :)
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They're *all* pretty average, but as average as they may be I'd sooner spend
my time driving one than that fucking heap of rattling FJ40 shit you own, or
your collection of other old non runners :)
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Noddy.
> Anyone wanna buy a decent Terry Ghia? :)
After the sales pitch you just gave?
I've thought about it, and I'm reluctant, but I reckon I'll
swap you my 1985 Repco 10 speed pushbike - so long as the
terry has a full tank of fuel. ;-)
I knew in primary school that FORD stood for Fix Or Repair
Daily, so I reckon you got what you deserved.
Seriously though, that is pretty disgusting that you should
be having those types of problems on such a new vehicle.
Even if it was 10 year old, I'd be pissed off with those faults.
>
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> Noddy.
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> After the sales pitch you just gave?
> I've thought about it, and I'm reluctant, but I reckon I'll swap you my
> 1985 Repco 10 speed pushbike - so long as the terry has a full tank of
> fuel. ;-)
Done deal :)
> I knew in primary school that FORD stood for Fix Or Repair Daily, so I
> reckon you got what you deserved.
They haven't always been bad, but they've been on a steady decline quality
wise since the BA was launched.
> Seriously though, that is pretty disgusting that you should be having
> those types of problems on such a new vehicle. Even if it was 10 year old,
> I'd be pissed off with those faults.
Yeah, it's pretty average.
It's the family car but the wife drives it mainly. I wanted a Land Cruiser
or some such but she preferred the Territory as it doesn't drive like a
truck. To be fair they do drive exceptionally well and the interior layout
is very good. It's just unfortunate that they're put together in about as
cheap and nasty fashion as possible otherwise they'd be an excellent
vehicle.
As I've said before, if it was made in Japan it'd be one of the best
vehicles on the market. Sadly, it was made here.......
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Noddy.
Well, the lights story triggered a now distant deja vu. Something very
similar happened to us heading for a gig in a two months old Avis Mk1
Escort in 1973.
Quite entertaining driving the rest of the 40Kms on Hunter Valley
backroads holding the light stalk on high beam the whole way so we had
lights it was too!
Guitarist driving doing clutch, steer and lights; lead singer on
gearchanges.
No dip beam at all and high only available on the flasher. Fortunately,
there was not one car coming the other way. Avis wanted to keep our
deposit and charge us for the repair....
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> Well, the lights story triggered a now distant deja vu. Something very
> similar happened to us heading for a gig in a two months old Avis Mk1
> Escort in 1973.
> Quite entertaining driving the rest of the 40Kms on Hunter Valley
> backroads holding the light stalk on high beam the whole way so we had
> lights it was too!
> Guitarist driving doing clutch, steer and lights; lead singer on
> gearchanges.
I'll bet that was fun :)
> No dip beam at all and high only available on the flasher. Fortunately,
> there was not one car coming the other way. Avis wanted to keep our
> deposit and charge us for the repair....
Arseholes.
Hire car outlets are almost as bad as real estate agents.
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Noddy.
We didn't have to pay. About a year later, somebody picked up another 1.3
Escort from the same company for a very urgent trip on a tight schedule.
It was missing on one cylinder, but they assured him 'that was normal'. He
reminded them of this when it was returned running quite well on the three
remaining cylinders two days later!
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> We didn't have to pay. About a year later, somebody picked up another 1.3
> Escort from the same company for a very urgent trip on a tight schedule.
> It was missing on one cylinder, but they assured him 'that was normal'. He
> reminded them of this when it was returned running quite well on the three
> remaining cylinders two days later!
Lol :)
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Noddy.
> ANOTHER satisfied Ford customer i see! :-)
I've had many Fords and generally had a good run out of them, but this is
certainly the last one.
> Isn't it still under warranty or 3 years are up?Up to VCAT ya go.
It was out of warranty in August.
> Really, if you have been through the Broady plant where thay *alleged*
> screw them together, you would really have to be over the moon the the
> fucken HOS actually starts and runs!!
I have been through the plant, and while they're certainly rough you could
say that about most car manufacturers. The difference isn't so much in how
they're put together, but the quality of the components used in making he
car. These days Ford seems hell bent on using the absolute cheapest crap
they can possibly get away with, and it shows in the final product.
> They are frankly like Falcon's and every other HOS coming down that
> line, poorly developed and engineered, with very ordinary build
> quality and poor materials to boot.Rust and oil leaks to
> follow..........
No rust or oil leaks, but the build quality is appallingly bad.
> Overpriced underdone rubbish, with such wonderful resale.....not!
Price is relative.
For 35 grand or so the base model Territory is pretty good value *if* you
can live with the quality issues. They're certainly not unreliable, but
they're also nowhere near anything made by a Jap manufacturer in terms of
quality. However once you step up to the top of the range stuff the picture
changes dramatically. At close to 70 grand on the road the AWD Terry Ghia
leaves a *hell* of a lot to be desired in my opinion.
> Time to stop the rot, bend over grease you ass, and trade in in on a
> MADE IN JAPAN SUV, ie Kluger/Prado/Pajero etc going to hurt if you do
> it through a dealer.
I'll be selling it privately and buying whatever I get to replace it from
the auctions like I always do.
> Beat the rush, in ~ 5 years time i doubt Ford will even be building
> anything here, reap what you sow.
They'll certainly have no one but themselves to blame. That's for sure.
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Noddy.
>
> Anyone wanna buy a decent Terry Ghia? :)
Where can I find one? ;-)
Actually we looked at a new Landcruiser with the V8 Turbo Diesel but to the
mrs its way too big and fair enough too its bloody huge really.
So going to look at some BMW X5's and a Toureg V10 TDI.
Or just leave the country and never return. ;-).
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> Drummer at the back of course. Now, what was his name...? :)
Definition of a drummer: A person known to associate with musicians :)
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Regards,
Noddy.
> whatever floats yer boat, i guess....but the tojo suits my needs
> perfectly.
Of course it does. You're about as simple as a fish finger, and require your
vehicles to be of a similar standard.
> cheap to run, handles highway speeds, excellent in the rough stuff....and
> cost a huge $500 with a full complement of spares, so far, have only had
> to replace water pump, and rebuild starter (thanks al) as for the
> others....less lawn to mow :^)
Oh yeah.
There's *nothing* like prettying up your property by dumping a few old
shitfighters around the place at random. They help make the old Holden bench
seat you use as "outdoor furniture" blend in, and the added bonus is that
your garden maintenance is cut down to buggery.
I'll bet your neighbours just love you.....
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Noddy.
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And what is wrong with that.
Other than retaining water when it rains and leading to a wet ass (as do 80%
of padded lawn furniture) an old bench seat is comfortable and inexpensive.
I'd rather be having a beer sitting on an old bench seat in the shade
outside the shed after work than almost anything else.
When I lived south.
I have about 20 old cars laying about in my yard, Some are chaises stacked
up, some vehicles are almost complete, some I have no idea of what they once
were. Most belong to my father and his friends and they occasionally come
out to get parts. They're all pre 1950 and are still there.
If you're stuck on your 1/8 acre block in town and a slave to your idea of
keeping up with the Jones' it's your own fault.
The pony mows the lawn and doesn't mind having to nibble around
obstacles.Only thing I have in the yard that I have seen upset her was when
she tried to scratch her butt on the bee hives, the occupants decided that
was not in the tenancy agreement and showed their disgust.
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> And what is wrong with that.
Nothing, if you like living in a place that looks like a munted shit-hole.
> Other than retaining water when it rains and leading to a wet ass (as do
> 80%
> of padded lawn furniture) an old bench seat is comfortable and
> inexpensive.
> I'd rather be having a beer sitting on an old bench seat in the shade
> outside the shed after work than almost anything else.
That's nice.
> When I lived south.
> I have about 20 old cars laying about in my yard, Some are chaises stacked
> up, some vehicles are almost complete, some I have no idea of what they
> once
> were. Most belong to my father and his friends and they occasionally come
> out to get parts. They're all pre 1950 and are still there.
Grouse :)
> If you're stuck on your 1/8 acre block in town and a slave to your idea of
> keeping up with the Jones' it's your own fault.
It is indeed, but fortunately I'm not.
> The pony mows the lawn and doesn't mind having to nibble around
> obstacles.Only thing I have in the yard that I have seen upset her was
> when
> she tried to scratch her butt on the bee hives, the occupants decided that
> was not in the tenancy agreement and showed their disgust.
It takes all kinds to make the world go around, but I'd prefer to *not* live
in a tip.
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Regards,
Noddy.
The 2 XM herdtops went last year sometime, they were in the shed and had no
rust at all. 60 X 40 shed still houses my 38 Chev UTE and the pajero I drive
when I'm south.
All the "T" parts went the year before when Paa sold his 1912. There is an
alloy block in something there from the thirties, suppose I should know what
it was but I don't.
> the neighbors and i get along just fine...yer assumptions are completely
> askew.....
I *really* don't think so.
> but as for tips, a rat such as your fine self would be *right* at home eh?
On the contrary, I'm organised to the point of being anal, and I can't stand
"untidy"
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Regards,
Noddy.
I never pegged you as that type :)
I'm the same - or should I say - used to be the same... I seem to be
getting a little more relaxed in that respect as I get older.
> I never pegged you as that type :)
Oddly enough, that's exactly the same thing my trouble and strife said when
I first took her home to my place :)
> I'm the same - or should I say - used to be the same... I seem to be
> getting a little more relaxed in that respect as I get older.
I'm generally pretty fussy with most things. My keys, wallet and phone have
to go back in the same spot when I'm not using them, that kind of shit.
However when it comes to my garage and tools I border on being a nutbag. My
tools have to be cleaned and put away every night regardless of whether I'm
using them the next day or not, the floor has to be kept clean and I
regularly take "sweep breaks" to clean crap up from under my feet while I'm
working, and I hate stuff laying around "at random". Just about everything
I have ha a permanent place of residence, and it usually goes straight back
there as soon as I've finished using it.
At the moment things are a little more unorganised than I usually prefer as
I've been buying machinery and tools in anticipation for my new garage and
am desperately running out of room, but the wife's already said she's not
setting foot in the new shed for fear of what kind of anal shit she might
see. On the other hand, she commented a few nights ago that because I'm such
an organised freak it'll make it shitload easier for her to sort out my crap
when I cark it.
My only fear is that she'll sell of my stuff for what I told her I paid for
it :)
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Noddy.
> At the moment things are a little more unorganised than I usually prefer
> as I've been buying machinery and tools in anticipation for my new garage
> and am desperately running out of room, but the wife's already said she's
> not setting foot in the new shed for fear of what kind of anal shit she
> might see. On the other hand, she commented a few nights ago that because
> I'm such an organised freak it'll make it shitload easier for her to sort
> out my crap when I cark it.
>
> My only fear is that she'll sell of my stuff for what I told her I paid
> for it :)
>
My trouble would be that she would try to use my stuff, kill herself and
join me quicker than I hoped for.
PhilD
> The only way my wife could get me to clean up my shed was to allow me to
> build a newer combined shed/cyclone shelter so that I'd have to clean the
> old one out and re-erect it next door at her Father's place.
Lol :)
I'm building a new 40x80 foot shed at the new property and while I'm looking
forward to setting it up and *finally* have a workable home garage, I'm not
looking forward to moving as I've got so much crap here it's not funny.
It'll take me ages, and I'm hoping for a 90 day settlement when I sell the
house.
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Noddy.
PhilD
> That's slightly bigger than my house, but we're only on a 1000SqM block so
> can't go too far. There is an upside though, not likely to be any water
> restrictions.
Water's not an issue where I currently am as there's a *massive* underground
water table in my area and I have a bore. The quality of the water is very
good, and I use it for just about everything I would normally use the garden
hose on. Unfortunately, the new property is on a hill around 150 metres
above the surrounding ground level and while there is a water table in the
area it's apparently 100 metres below that. At 120 bucks a metre to drill a
new bore it's not really a viable option since there's no guarantee that
they'll hit water, and if they do how good it will be.
So, with close to 700 square metres of roof catchment on the house and
garage I'll be investing heavily in water tanks. I'm planning on having a
100,000 litre storage capacity and the average rainfall over winter should
fill them and that'll hopefully meet my garden watering needs over the dryer
months.
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Noddy.
> I suppose you've kept a few packed lunches from your school days too.. in
> case
> the world plummets into a depression.
Not quite, but I hate parting with stuff as more often than not I'll find a
need for something after it's gone.
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Noddy.
PhilD
I also do that. I have to - otherwise I forget where the fuck I put
them... never fails :)
:However when it comes to my garage and tools I border on being a nutbag. My
:tools have to be cleaned and put away every night regardless of whether I'm
:using them the next day or not, the floor has to be kept clean and I
:regularly take "sweep breaks" to clean crap up from under my feet while I'm
:working, and I hate stuff laying around "at random". Just about everything
:I have ha a permanent place of residence, and it usually goes straight back
:there as soon as I've finished using it.
I'm somewhere between the above and being slack. I put things back in
their place, albeit not straight away, especially if I'm still going to
use them again soon.
:At the moment things are a little more unorganised than I usually prefer as
:I've been buying machinery and tools in anticipation for my new garage and
:am desperately running out of room, but the wife's already said she's not
:setting foot in the new shed for fear of what kind of anal shit she might
:see. On the other hand, she commented a few nights ago that because I'm such
:an organised freak it'll make it shitload easier for her to sort out my crap
:when I cark it.
:My only fear is that she'll sell of my stuff for what I told her I paid
: for it :)
LOL :)
At least now that I'm settled with NO plans to move ever again, I can
(and have begun to) start hoarding shit I previously couldn't have. Not
jonz style, mind you... I actually have sheds and acreage, so no need to
foul up the front yard :)
> I also do that. I have to - otherwise I forget where the fuck I put
> them... never fails :)
My wife is the exact opposite, and the number of arguments we have about
that shit is incredible. "Jesus Christ, you just went to the shop for two
fucking minutes to buy milk and now I need to spend an hour to search for
the car keys" :)
> At least now that I'm settled with NO plans to move ever again, I can
> (and have begun to) start hoarding shit I previously couldn't have. Not
> jonz style, mind you... I actually have sheds and acreage, so no need to
> foul up the front yard :)
I'm doing exactly the same thing :)
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Noddy.
I labellled the drawers on my big rolling toolbox the other day because I
regularly have mates around helping me out and it shits me finding stuff in the
wrong drawers. My girlfriend said I was gay because of it.
Fraser
LOL.
I must do that, SOON. My wife goes through all the drawers looking for a
tool to do a job and not always gets the right one for the job. I can ask
her what she's looking for or what the job is and get a "just looking"
reply. Screwdrivers used as chisels etc. As far as garden tools are
concerned, when they go missing I have to look all around the yard where she
had last been working.
PhilD
If my girlfriend goes near my toolbox she knows she'll get yelled at and
possible shot. : )
I do all the handyman stuff and it all works out ok for everyone.
Fraser
> I labellled the drawers on my big rolling toolbox the other day because I
> regularly have mates around helping me out and it shits me finding stuff
> in the wrong drawers. My girlfriend said I was gay because of it.
Lol :)
Call me a poofter then because my toolbox drawers have been labelled for
years, and I'm the only one who uses them :)
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Noddy.
Then why label them, you should know whats in em surely?
> Then why label them, you should know whats in em surely?
I generally do, but sometimes I forget exactly which draw stuff is in.
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Noddy.
Not if he's like me he won't :)
I've 'lost' plenty of stuff because I've put stuff away in what I
thought at the time was a logical place to put it - only to promptly
forget where that logical place was...