RE Bigpond news server

[F Murtz]

I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions
on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction
not to repost.
I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but
I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.

[Rheilly Phoull]

Hmmmmm, sounds like a real asset :-)

[atec77]

If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?

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[F Murtz]

It was a detailed email in response to my email to tech dept about
problems with access to NG.
The answer suggests it still exists.

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

Or, that their tech support are unaware it has been removed. Not
unthinkable.

[Noddy]

I've had a bigpond account for a couple of years now and until very
recently their new server was working fine. It's not now, and hasn't
been for about a week, so if it's working okay they've either changed
the settings that I've been using for the last couple of years or it's
simply not working.

Knowing Telstra as the thoroughly incompetent organisation that I do, my
money's firmly on the latter.


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[Noddy]

On 29/04/13 4:22 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> It was a detailed email in response to my email to tech dept about
> problems with access to NG.
> The answer suggests it still exists.

I'd be more than a little surprised if the "tech" actually knew what you
were talking about.





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[atec77]

a trace to news-server.bigpond.net.au
fails to respond or return a ping from here

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[Atheist Chaplain]

"atec77" <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kll72e$sul$1...@dont-email.me...

pinged from here and got

ping statistics for 61.9.134.55:
packets: sent = 4, received = 0, lost = 4 (100% loss)

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[atec77]

On 29/04/2013 8:16 PM, Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>
> "atec77" <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kll72e$sul$1...@dont-email.me...

>> On 29/04/2013 4:22 PM, F Murtz wrote:e or work ?
no I thought not

>>> atec77 wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>> I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed
>>>>> instructions
>>>>> on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
>>>>> demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an
>>>>> instruction
>>>>> not to repost.
>>>>> I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
>>>>> seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password
>>>>> but
>>>>> I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
>>>> If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?
>>>>
>>> It was a detailed email in response to my email to tech dept about
>>> problems with access to NG.
>>> The answer suggests it still exists.
>>>
>> a trace to news-server.bigpond.net.au
>> fails to respond or return a ping from here
>
> pinged from here and got
>
> ping statistics for 61.9.134.55:
> packets: sent = 4, received = 0, lost = 4 (100% loss)
>

but does it trace or work ?
of course not as you are getting an mx response as the machine still
exists
Now does it work for anyone ?

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[F Murtz]

Parko wrote:

> Yes, I use It as a fall back server if eternal-september goes down. The
> OP hasn't configured his newsreader correctly. As I use a proper
> newsreader, I would suggest he RTFM and return to the source of his
> problem.
>
> Note: news.bigpond.com has always been unreliable as a primary newsserver
> with outages frequently lasting for several days.
>
>
>
The source of the problem seems to be, no one can access bigpond news
server any more,If I ping from here it times out.
Others say the same thing
Users everywhere are saying that telstra is stopping the service.
I have been trying for weeks and left an email to bigpond on the subject
and they sent me a detailed email on how to access it.

This sugests to me that the bigpond team seems to think that it is still
working

Here is the email

Thank you for your email dated 17/04/2013 regarding not being to access
BigPond Newsgroup.

Firstly, I realise that there has been a delay in responding to your
enquiry and I would like to extend my apologies.

To isolate the cause of the issue please consider the following process.

1. Check connectivity to the Internet. Double-Click on Internet Explorer
and attempt to display webpages.

- If webpages open very slowly or not at all, it is not just a
Newsgroup fault, but the whole connection.
- If webpages open at normal speed, continue below.

2. Check server settings. Ensure that you are using the correct BigPond
News server settings in their News profile:

- For Broadband, server host name can be "news.bigpond.com" or
"news-server.bigpond.net.au".
- For Dial-Up, server host name is "news.bigpond.com:"

To check News Server Settings for Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Live Mail:

- Open the News profile.

- For Outlook Express:

- Double Click Outlook Express Icon to open mail/news program.
- Click the Tools menu and select Accounts from menu.
- Click the News tab to see available news profiles.
- Click the BigPond news profile and select Properties to check news
settings.

- For Windows Mail (Windows Vista):

- Open Windows Mail from the Start menu.
- Click the Tools menu bar and select Accounts from menu.
- A list of available profiles will appear.
- Click the BigPond news profile and select Properties to check news
settings.

- For Windows Live Mail:

- Open Windows Live Mail from the Start menu.
- Select Newsgroups from the Navigation pane.
- Right click on the News profile (likely to be labelled as
news.bigpond.com) and select Properties.

The News properties area contains four tabs in both Outlook Express and
Windows Mail:

- General.
- Server.
- Connection.
- Advanced.

- General tab: The general tab contains personal information, including
name, organisation, email address and reply to address fields:

- News Account : news.bigpond.com.
- Name: contains the name you wish to appear on posts to newsgroups.
- Organisation: optional.
- Email Address: your email address*.
- Reply Address: optional.
- Include this account: unchecked.

*Note: When anyone posts a message to a newsgroup, they are revealing
their email address to a public forum. Spammers have developed automated
scripts (bots) to search these public forums and collect email addresses
from postings to compile spam lists. It is advisable that users modify
their email address in News group settings e.g. us...@nospambigpond.com.

- Server tab: The server tab, as the name suggests, contains the news
server name plus an option to configure login details for access to the
news server if necessary.

- Server name: news.bigpond.com.
- This server requires me to logon: Leave unchecked. The BigPond news
server does not require a username and password to access it.

- Connection tab: Allows you to select the preference for the type of
connection to be used when sending or receiving news group postings.

- Always connect to this account using: Unticked for all broadband
connections or dialup connections where the user will always connect
first before checking newsgroups
- The box should be set to a BigPond dialup connection if the user is
using Dialup and requires an automatic connection when Outlook
Express/Windows Mail is launched. If the box is blank, you will need to
click the box to reveal any available connections and set to a BigPond
Dialup connection.

- Advanced tab: The advanced tab shows the news server port number and
some format settings for posting messages. The default settings should
not need to be changed.

- Server port number: 119 (do not change this number).
- This server requires a secure connection: unchecked.
- Server timeouts: can be extended for dial up users to allow more
time to connect to the news server.
- Break apart messages larger than: unchecked.
- Ignore news sending format and post using: unchecked.

If the settings are correct but the same issue is occurring, remove and
re-create the BigPond news profile.

To Create/ Re-create a News Profile in Outlook Express:

- Launch Outlook Express.
- Click on the Tools menu, then on Accounts
- Click on the News tab at the top of the window
- If there are any existing BigPond entries:
- Click on the Account to highlight it.
- Click on Remove.
- Click Yes when asked to confirm.
Note: If another service provider account is listed do not remove it.
- Click the Add button.
- Select News.
- Type the name that will appear when posting to a newsgroup.
- Select Next.
- Enter Email Address (ie user...@bigpond.net.au or
user...@bigpond.com).
- Select Next.
- Type the server name: news.bigpond.com.
Note: Ensure My news server requires me to log on is not ticked.
- Click Next.
- Click Finish.
- Click Close to return to the Outlook Express main screen.
- You will then be prompted to download a list of available
newsgroups. this may take several minutes on a slow connection.

To Create/ Re-create a News Profile in Windows Mail:

- Open Windows Mail if it is not already open.
- Click Tools and then Accounts.
- Click Add.
- Select Newsgroup Account. Click Next.
- Type the name that will appear when posting to a newsgroup and click
Next.
- Enter Email Address (ie user...@bigpond.net.au or
user...@bigpond.com)and click Next.
- Type the server name: news.bigpond.com.
Note: Ensure My news server requires me to log on is .not ticked.
- Click Next.
- Click Finish.
- Click Close to return to the Windows Mail main screen.
- You will then be prompted to download a list of available newsgroups.
this may take several minutes on a slow connection.

The Newsgroups can now be accessed by clicking on the news.bigpond.com
entry that will appear in the folders column on the left.

If the newsgroup/s you wish to see is/are not available, please reply to
this email with the name/s of the Newsgroup/s to be added to the list
available on the BigPond news server(news.bigpond.com).

4. Check for Firewalls and Antivirus software. Disable it for testing
purposes please ensure you re-enable the software afterwards. If re
enabling the security software stops the connection from working again,
please contact BigPond Premium Support at 1300 087 587 or your
firewall/security software vendor.

Check Newsgroups once more. If the same issue is occurring please
provide the following details for further investigation:

- Error message.
- Name/s of the Newsgroup/s to be added to the list available on the
BigPond news server (news.bigpond.com).
- Preferred contact number.
- Please indicate the date and time when you cannot access it.

If you have any other questions, please visit our Help Centre at
www.bigpond.com/help.

The Help Centre is a handy resource for our members which includes
things such as our Frequently Asked Questions and our new Email
Troubleshooter which has been set up to help you solve all your email
problems.

Thank you for choosing BigPond.

Kind regards,

[Trevor]

"Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
news:kll5qk$mnl$2...@dont-email.me...

Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they are
nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(

Trevor.

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 6:03 AM, Trevor wrote:

> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they are
> nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(

Optus and Vodaphone don't need "network" technical staff. To my mind
that makes Telstra worse for getting rid of their expertise base. BTW
they started wielding the razor in '92, it's taken a while to reach the
level of their incompetence hasn't it! ;-)


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[Dechucka]

"Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote in message
news:klmjih$64q$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

not quite as Vodophone whose coverage is useless. Used to take my wife up to
2 days to receive SMSs

[Jason James]

On Apr 30, 1:55 am, F Murtz <hagg...@hotmail.com> wrote:


I know a lot of people don't like web-based interfaces, but Google-
groups is handy as a back-up while you sort your ISP probs.

The reality is, if you run Google-chrome web-browser as well, the
Google groups is quite good.

Years ago I had probs with Bigpond and its NG application. The tech
didn't know what they were,..so after consulting with his supervisor
was able to help me.

Just a further note on Google-chrome browser,..it shits on the Windows
IE from a big height,..try it :-)

Jason

[Trevor]

"Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8JidnXA1KMCoQ-PM...@westnet.com.au...

>> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they
>> are nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(
>
> not quite as Vodophone whose coverage is useless. Used to take my wife up
> to 2 days to receive SMSs

True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately their
service no longer matches the premium price.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

"Jason James" <5sf...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message
news:58d0e8f0-e2c3-4fe7...@l2g2000pbn.googlegroups.com...

>Just a further note on Google-chrome browser,..it shits on the Windows
>IE from a big height

So does Firefox or Opera, without Google tracking.

Trevor.

[Jason James]

On Apr 30, 8:07 am, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
> "Jason James" <5sfe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message

>
> news:58d0e8f0-e2c3-4fe7...@l2g2000pbn.googlegroups.com...
>
> >Just a further note on Google-chrome browser,..it shits on the Windows
> >IE from a big height
>
> So does Firefox or Opera, without Google tracking.

By tracking you mean cookies?

Jason

[David Barnett]

In article <6708a1ea-e628-47fb-8cb1-b0e29e931904
@zo5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
wolfgangw...@gmail.com says...

That is my thought on it.

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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 6:03 AM, Trevor wrote:

> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they are
> nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(

I've had accounts with all three, and in my experience Telstra is
*easily* the absolute worst in terms of staff knowledge and customer
service, and by a very long way. Their only saving grace is that they
have the best network coverage, which forces you between a rock and a
hard place.

If ever there was a country that needed a *massive* telecommunications
overhaul it's this one.


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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 8:05 AM, Trevor wrote:

> True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately their
> service no longer matches the premium price.

Was there a time when it did?


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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 1:55 AM, F Murtz wrote:

> The source of the problem seems to be, no one can access bigpond news
> server any more,If I ping from here it times out.
> Others say the same thing
> Users everywhere are saying that telstra is stopping the service.

How would anyone *outside* Telstra know that, when Telstra *themselves*
can't give you an answer about it?

> I have been trying for weeks and left an email to bigpond on the subject
> and they sent me a detailed email on how to access it.
>
> This sugests to me that the bigpond team seems to think that it is still
> working

Given my experience with Tesltra over the last couple of years, I would
imagine that if their news server *was* getting the chop the "bigpond
team" would probably be the last to know :)

Honestly I don't know why you're getting so hung up about this as their
server was pretty unreliable even when it *was* working. Just subscribe
to Eternal-September or any of the other reliable news feeds and spend
less of your life worrying.


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[Trevor]

"Jason James" <5sf...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message

news:aa2addb2-ca3f-4311...@zo5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Nope, you can turn those off. Your server connection is tracked regardless.

Trevor.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 7:55 AM, Jason James wrote:

> Just a further note on Google-chrome browser,..it shits on the Windows
> IE from a big height,..try it :-)

Chrome is okay, but like anything it has it's strengths and weaknesses.
I prefer Firefox myself but the current version of Explorer is quite
good and I'm still forced to use it on occasion to do some things that
Firefox doesn't seem capable of doing.



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Noddy.

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 9:27 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/04/13 8:05 AM, Trevor wrote:
>
>> True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately
>> their
>> service no longer matches the premium price.
>
> Was there a time when it did?

Not Telstra - not even Telecom Australia - definitely P.M.G.

[Trevor]

"David Barnett" <dbar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:MPG.2be9aca91...@news.eternal-september.org...

> In article <6708a1ea-e628-47fb-8cb1-b0e29e931904
> @zo5g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> wolfgangw...@gmail.com says...

>> Or, that their tech support are unaware it has been removed. Not
>> unthinkable.
>
> That is my thought on it.

Unthinkable not to think it possible IMO. Sure was with Optus!

Trevor.

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 9:35 AM, Trevor wrote:
> "Jason James" <5sf...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message

> }By tracking you mean cookies?
>
> Nope, you can turn those off. Your server connection is tracked regardless.

proxy?

[Trevor]

"Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message

news:klmvd6$umb$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 30/04/13 6:03 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they
>> are
>> nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(
>
> I've had accounts with all three, and in my experience Telstra is *easily*
> the absolute worst in terms of staff knowledge and customer service, and
> by a very long way. Their only saving grace is that they have the best
> network coverage, which forces you between a rock and a hard place.
>

Well it's a long time since I could afford Telstra, but the service once was
far better than anything I've ever had from Optus or Vodaphone :-(

> If ever there was a country that needed a *massive* telecommunications
> overhaul it's this one.

That's what John Howard gave us :-( Now we get to spend more taxpayer money
to upgrade the network than it was sold for. Lost the $5B every year they
were getting in revenue *after* network upgrade costs. Seen a triplication
of networks at great expense, a loss of a hundred thousand jobs in Telstra
and support industries, and the customer service has gotten worse.
Unfortunately the government can't "fix" it now, even with an NBN.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

"Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message

news:klmvec$umb$2...@dont-email.me...

> On 30/04/13 8:05 AM, Trevor wrote:
>> True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately
>> their
>> service no longer matches the premium price.
>
> Was there a time when it did?

Maybe not, but it was far better once than it is now.

Trevor.

[Trevor]

"Feral" <plo...@home.ru> wrote in message news:klmvqt$ar$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 30/04/2013 9:27 AM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 30/04/13 8:05 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>
>>> True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately
>>> their
>>> service no longer matches the premium price.
>>
>> Was there a time when it did?
>
> Not Telstra - not even Telecom Australia - definitely P.M.G.

Right, how did I forget all the name changes. Here's one you missed though,
Australian and Overseas Telecommunications Commission, when they originally
merged with OTC. Most people don't remember it, didn't last long under that
name.

Trevor.

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 9:56 AM, Trevor wrote:

> Right, how did I forget all the name changes. Here's one you missed though,
> Australian and Overseas Telecommunications Commission, when they originally
> merged with OTC. Most people don't remember it, didn't last long under that
> name.

I didn't miss OTC because; OTC weren't part of the P.M.G. Engineering
Division. They featured separately in the Gazette.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:

> Well it's a long time since I could afford Telstra, but the service once was
> far better than anything I've ever had from Optus or Vodaphone :-(

Not today.

> That's what John Howard gave us :-( Now we get to spend more taxpayer money
> to upgrade the network than it was sold for. Lost the $5B every year they
> were getting in revenue *after* network upgrade costs. Seen a triplication
> of networks at great expense, a loss of a hundred thousand jobs in Telstra
> and support industries, and the customer service has gotten worse.
> Unfortunately the government can't "fix" it now, even with an NBN.

Thank Paul Keating. It was his deficit that Forced Howard to sell half
of Telstra in the first place.



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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 9:33 AM, Feral wrote:

> Not Telstra - not even Telecom Australia - definitely P.M.G.

Rubbish.

Given that there was *no* competition in the PMG's day whatsoever, how
do you qualify such a ridiculous statement?





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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 9:51 AM, Trevor wrote:

> Maybe not, but it was far better once than it is now.

It's hard to imagine that it could be any worse.

I've been trying to get an ADSL connection for the last 2 years now but
can't because I'm too far from the exchange. If that was *really* the
case then I'd just suck it up and move on, but the neighbour across the
road is 120 odd meters *further* from the exchange than I am and they
gave him one a couple of months ago. My dispute with telstra is ongoing
and has been for a while.

Yet at least three times a month I get cold called from Telstra's
"Philipines" based marketing department asking me if I'd like to change
from my wireless account to ADSL2.

Their left hand has no fucking idea what their right hand is doing....



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Noddy.

[Jason James]

On Apr 30, 9:35 am, Feral <plon...@home.ru> wrote:
> On 30/04/2013 9:35 AM, Trevor wrote:
>

> > "Jason James" <5sfe...@hotmail.com.au> wrote in message

> > }By tracking you mean cookies?
>
> > Nope, you can turn those off. Your server connection is tracked regardless.
>
> proxy?

They can track my browsing if that's wot turns them on :-)

Jason

[D Walford]

Also there were no mobiles or internet and a lot fewer landlines so its
possible service was better but there is no real comparison to now.
In the 50's my parents had the only phone in our immediate area so not
many phones to go wrong.


Daryl

[Jason James]

On Apr 30, 10:08 am, Feral <plon...@home.ru> wrote:
> On 30/04/2013 9:56 AM, Trevor wrote:
>
> > Right, how did I forget all the name changes. Here's one you missed though,
> > Australian and Overseas Telecommunications Commission, when they originally
> > merged with OTC. Most people don't remember it, didn't last long under that
> > name.
>
> I didn't miss OTC because; OTC weren't part of the P.M.G. Engineering
> Division. They featured separately in the Gazette.

OTC trainee technicians used the DCA school for the first couple of
years [due the basic electronics being taught], then they switched to
dedicated OTC curriculum for the final 2 or 3 years..

Jason

[F Murtz]

I use eternal september but it does not list some of the things that
telstra did.

[Jason James]

In 1983 PMG [or wot ever they were called then] took 5 weeks to
install a home-phone. They dug a trench diagonally across my front
yard. Failed to fill it properly, so I got bogged in my own frontyard
with the 1800 :-)

Jason

[atec77]

On 30/04/2013 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
> "Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
> news:klmvd6$umb$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 30/04/13 6:03 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they
>>> are
>>> nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(

>>our fskup

>> I've had accounts with all three, and in my experience Telstra is *easily*
>> the absolute worst in terms of staff knowledge and customer service, and
>> by a very long way. Their only saving grace is that they have the best
>> network coverage, which forces you between a rock and a hard place.
>>
>
> Well it's a long time since I could afford Telstra, but the service once was
> far better than anything I've ever had from Optus or Vodaphone :-(
>
>
>> If ever there was a country that needed a *massive* telecommunications
>> overhaul it's this one.
>
> That's what John Howard gave us :-( Now we get to spend more taxpayer money
> to upgrade the network than it was sold for. Lost the $5B every year they
> were getting in revenue *after* network upgrade costs. Seen a triplication
> of networks at great expense, a loss of a hundred thousand jobs in Telstra
> and support industries, and the customer service has gotten worse.
> Unfortunately the government can't "fix" it now, even with an NBN.
>
> Trevor.
>
>
>

You really are a fckwitt , we all know JH's response was to solve the
massive debt Keating created , another labor fskup

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[PhilD]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:26:36 +1000, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

You're getting it, it's called the NBN, and it's costing the country
an arm and a leg, plus your first born. Take out those that don't
need/want Internet and only want a basic phone or use a mobile and
you're left with one hell of a cost for the remainder, but all are
paying for the network anyway. School's, hospital's, libraries, Police
etc should have already had a fast connection with State Govt's. Large
Companies had access to it at their own cost (Tax deductible). So
mostly it is only small business and private people that it's really
for. There was ridiculous reasons for the NBN such as tele medicine at
home as if a Doctor & Tech would do a private home visit and bring
along an X-ray machine to connect up. The low take up rate for the NBN
is a good indication of just how many have no need for it but will be
forced on to it if they want a basic physical phone service anyway.

It's only a mater of if, not when, a software glitch takes down the
whole country with such a system.

BTW, Labor have been guilty recently of false advertising saying that
the NBN is FREE but just happened to not mention that it is but only
to your front door. It's then up to you to contract a Provider. Only
if you are not a Tax Payer is it free to your front door. Any private
Company making such false and misleading statements would have the
ACCC after them.

People were crying out for competition and they got it, and now don't
like it in many ways. It will always deteriorate in to what is cost
effective and the Customer is last on the list for consideration. At a
time when city folk were calling for better comm's with competition,
many in the country were still being brought up to what people in the
cities took for granted. Some were still on Manual Assistance, if they
had a service at all.

It was a missed opportunity to create an NBN for mobile's a long time
ago and we now have duplication on a grand scale (just like with cable
TV) and with Govt pocketing massive fees from the auctioning of
spectrum. By now we would have had a network that covered a much
larger area of the country for less outlay. Mind you, then people
would have been crying out for competition once again. I can see that
happening with the NBN at some time if it ever gets fully up and
running.

When traveling I use a Telstra 3G WiFi dongle that can connect up to 5
devices. I only use up to 3 connections at the moment for my laptop,
Android pad and mobile. It works quite well generally and with a
faster mobile network I could well give up my ADSL entirely and it
would barely effect what I need to do. An external aerial and 4G would
be much better. I would imagine that there's a lot of people
throughout the country that could do just the same. I just can't see
the value in the NBN to anyone who needs to be mobile frequently.

As to who started the rot of dismantling Telstra, Howard often is
blamed but where I was it well and truly started earlier under Labor
with sections being "outsorced".

PhilD

[Wolfgang Wildeblood]

On Apr 30, 7:56 am, "Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote:
> "Feral" <plon...@home.ru> wrote in messagenews:klmvqt$ar$1...@dont-email.me...

I think that is wrong, Trevor, but I'm not sure. My recollection:- OTC
and Telecom Australia were never merged. OTC was merged with Aussat to
form AOTC, and AOTC was privatised to become Optus.

[F Murtz]

Just spent an hour on the phone with tech services, even with him
connecting remotely with my computer so he could see connection with
eternal sept working and bigpond not,got nowhere. Am getting call back
tomorrow from case manager from my long running case number (she was not
there today)

[F Murtz]

Noddy wrote:

> On 29/04/13 4:22 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>
>> It was a detailed email in response to my email to tech dept about
>> problems with access to NG.
>> The answer suggests it still exists.
>

> I'd be more than a little surprised if the "tech" actually knew what you
> were talking about.
>
>
>
>
>
Maybee they are doing it to see how many complaints are generated before
switching it off.

[Dechucka]

"Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote in message
news:klmqmo$r7o$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> "Dechucka" <Dechu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8JidnXA1KMCoQ-PM...@westnet.com.au...

>>> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they
>>> are nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(
>>

>> not quite as Vodophone whose coverage is useless. Used to take my wife up
>> to 2 days to receive SMSs

>
> True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately
> their service no longer matches the premium price.

I'm happy with my pre paid $49 phone because I only use it for occasional
calls, The coverage for my volunteer work is a clear benefit

[atec77]

That's a possibility

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[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 10:42 AM, Noddy wrote:

I was dishing it out, Bighead, know-nothing. :-)

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 12:20 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Also there were no mobiles or internet and a lot fewer landlines so its
> possible service was better but there is no real comparison to now.
> In the 50's my parents had the only phone in our immediate area so not
> many phones to go wrong.

And they were *subscribers*, not *customers* and everything got fixed
promptly and free. By me. :-)

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 12:30 PM, Jason James wrote:

> OTC trainee technicians used the DCA school for the first couple of
> years [due the basic electronics being taught], then they switched to
> dedicated OTC curriculum for the final 2 or 3 years..

Us older bastards still have good memory eh! ;-)

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 12:35 PM, Jason James wrote:

> In 1983 PMG [or wot ever they were called then] took 5 weeks to
> install a home-phone. They dug a trench diagonally across my front
> yard. Failed to fill it properly, so I got bogged in my own frontyard
> with the 1800 :-)

1. Telecom Australia (corporation).

2. That would be the Line Division (gorilla force), not the Technical
Division that put in the tank trap. :-) Serves you right for buying
pommie rubbish anyway. :-P

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 1:38 PM, PhilD wrote:

> You're getting it, it's called the NBN, and it's costing the country
> an arm and a leg, plus your first born. Take out those that don't
> need/want Internet and only want a basic phone or use a mobile and
> you're left with one hell of a cost for the remainder, but all are
> paying for the network anyway.

What are the number breakdowns?

I understand that people are complaining that the NBN is costing a lot
of money, and it is, but is it the waste that some people are saying ir
is it a decent system?

> School's, hospital's, libraries, Police
> etc should have already had a fast connection with State Govt's. Large
> Companies had access to it at their own cost (Tax deductible). So
> mostly it is only small business and private people that it's really
> for.

Yeah but the hardware has to be there to permit the fast connections,
and it largely isn't. The old twisted pair phone network is *severely*
limited in it's capacity, and there are already large numbers of people
who can't get anything other than dial up because of the limited number
of nodes available.

> There was ridiculous reasons for the NBN such as tele medicine at
> home as if a Doctor & Tech would do a private home visit and bring
> along an X-ray machine to connect up. The low take up rate for the NBN
> is a good indication of just how many have no need for it but will be
> forced on to it if they want a basic physical phone service anyway.

I think the low take up rate for the NBN at the moment has more to do
with it's price and the limitations of the service than anything else.
Those that do have it seem to be very happy with it, but until it comes
online on a large scale and ISP's start catering for the massive
throughput capability it's probably not for everyone.

> It's only a mater of if, not when, a software glitch takes down the
> whole country with such a system.

Can't the same thing happen now? We recently had a good portion of
Victoria taken off the grid due to a fire in a sub station.

> BTW, Labor have been guilty recently of false advertising saying that
> the NBN is FREE but just happened to not mention that it is but only
> to your front door. It's then up to you to contract a Provider. Only
> if you are not a Tax Payer is it free to your front door. Any private
> Company making such false and misleading statements would have the
> ACCC after them.

If only it would come to my door :)

> People were crying out for competition and they got it, and now don't
> like it in many ways. It will always deteriorate in to what is cost
> effective and the Customer is last on the list for consideration. At a
> time when city folk were calling for better comm's with competition,
> many in the country were still being brought up to what people in the
> cities took for granted. Some were still on Manual Assistance, if they
> had a service at all.

As long as Telstra has the monopoly on the hardware, then any thoughts
of "competition" are simply imaginary.

> It was a missed opportunity to create an NBN for mobile's a long time
> ago and we now have duplication on a grand scale (just like with cable
> TV) and with Govt pocketing massive fees from the auctioning of
> spectrum. By now we would have had a network that covered a much
> larger area of the country for less outlay. Mind you, then people
> would have been crying out for competition once again. I can see that
> happening with the NBN at some time if it ever gets fully up and
> running.

I don't know what parts of the country you're talking about but I'm
50km's west of Melbourne's CBD and the wireless traffic is so congested
it's appalling.

> When traveling I use a Telstra 3G WiFi dongle that can connect up to 5
> devices. I only use up to 3 connections at the moment for my laptop,
> Android pad and mobile. It works quite well generally and with a
> faster mobile network I could well give up my ADSL entirely and it
> would barely effect what I need to do. An external aerial and 4G would
> be much better. I would imagine that there's a lot of people
> throughout the country that could do just the same. I just can't see
> the value in the NBN to anyone who needs to be mobile frequently.

Spend some time in a Wireless black hole area for an instant
re-appraisal of that opinion. Wireless currently is the single, most
unreliable piss poor excuse for a communications carrying medium there is.

It makes Satellite look absolutely brilliant.

> As to who started the rot of dismantling Telstra, Howard often is
> blamed but where I was it well and truly started earlier under Labor
> with sections being "outsorced".

I'd like to see the3 remainder of Telstra sold off completely and the
whole operation put into private hands. Perhaps then it might start
functioning like a 21st century telecommunications company.



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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 2:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> Maybee they are doing it to see how many complaints are generated before
> switching it off.

Why would they care?


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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 12:34 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> I use eternal september but it does not list some of the things that
> telstra did.

It doesn't do Binaries if I remember correctly, so if you're looking for
those you'll have to subscribe to a news server that does. Either that
or change your ISP, but given that Usenet is close to dead these days
anyway I would doubt if any of them would carry a feed within 12 months.




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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 12:20 PM, D Walford wrote:

> Also there were no mobiles or internet and a lot fewer landlines so its
> possible service was better but there is no real comparison to now.

Without any competition to measure against you can't tell if the service
was good or not. It just *was*.

> In the 50's my parents had the only phone in our immediate area so not
> many phones to go wrong.

They used to do some dumb shit in those days too though, like tell you
that you could only have your phone in a certain part of the house and
make you wait 37 years for a connection.




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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 12:35 PM, Jason James wrote:

> In 1983 PMG [or wot ever they were called then] took 5 weeks to
> install a home-phone. They dug a trench diagonally across my front
> yard. Failed to fill it properly, so I got bogged in my own frontyard
> with the 1800 :-)

That was the height of their "good service". Whenever a new housing
estate was opened up they wouldn't waste money running in new phone
cables as a matter of course. They'd wait until the houses were built
and people moved in and applied for a connection so they could come out
and rip the shit out of all the brand new roads and footpaths.

Oh yeah. Great service :)



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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 3:41 PM, Feral wrote:

> And they were *subscribers*, not *customers* and everything got fixed
> promptly and free. By me. :-)

Let go and let some blood flow through before it drops off.



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Regards,
Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 3:38 PM, Feral wrote:

> I was dishing it out, Bighead, know-nothing. :-)

English is new to you, huh?


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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 2:40 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> Just spent an hour on the phone with tech services, even with him
> connecting remotely with my computer so he could see connection with
> eternal sept working and bigpond not,got nowhere. Am getting call back
> tomorrow from case manager from my long running case number (she was not
> there today)

May the force be with you. One of my case managers left the company and
no one knew anything about it for three months.


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Noddy.

[Jasen Betts]

On 2013-04-29, Atheist Chaplain <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:
>
> "atec77" <"atec77 "@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kll72e$sul$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 29/04/2013 4:22 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>> atec77 wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2013 2:17 PM, F Murtz wrote:
>>>>> I have just recieved an email from bigpond giving detailed instructions
>>>>> on how to connect to bigpond ng so it appears that the stories on its
>>>>> demise are exagerated. I would post the email but it has an instruction
>>>>> not to repost.
>>>>> I still can not recieve it but that is probably a problem between
>>>>> seamonkey, my modem and bigpond server,I think it needs my password but
>>>>> I can not figure a way to make it ask for it.
>>>> If you can't ping the server then it doesn't actually exist ?

>>>>
>>> It was a detailed email in response to my email to tech dept about
>>> problems with access to NG.
>>> The answer suggests it still exists.
>>>

>> a trace to news-server.bigpond.net.au
>> fails to respond or return a ping from here
>
> pinged from here and got
>
> ping statistics for 61.9.134.55:
> packets: sent = 4, received = 0, lost = 4 (100% loss)
>

ping won't tell you much. a server can be up an not respond to pings.

run a traceroute, on port 119 if possible.

when I do it I get as far as
bundle-ether1.win18.melbourne.telstra.net (203.50.6.114)
and then appear to hit a firewall, but I'm not on a telstra network so
that's no surprise.

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[PhilD]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:05:11 +1000, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

Must have been a Victorian thing. Didn't happen here with this new
township in 1982/3. They did a great job on ours, even without knowing
who we worked for.

Also, although I left there about 7 years ago we have had a couple of
cable troubles in the previous 2 wet seasons and we had someone here
within a couple of hours and fixed within an hour or 2. I'd have to
say that service here has improved over the last few years. That's not
to say that I've never had problems with them, and that did include
Newsgroup access a few years ago. We also had 6 months of trouble
sorting out account problems after we both left the Company and
therefore were off of staff discounts. Within the Company we always
knew who to speak to directly to get problems fixed.

[Gary R. Schmidt]

On 30/04/2013 9:27 AM, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/04/13 8:05 AM, Trevor wrote:
>

>> True, Telstra still have the best coverage, at a price. Unfortunately
>> their
>> service no longer matches the premium price.
>

> Was there a time when it did?
>
>

Back when it was Telecom, perhaps, but definitely when it was just a
part of the PMG.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

--
When men talk to their friends, they insult each other.
They don't really mean it.
When women talk to their friends, they compliment each other.
They don't mean it either.

[PhilD]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:05:54 +1000, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

>On 30/04/13 3:41 PM, Feral wrote:
>
>> And they were *subscribers*, not *customers* and everything got fixed
>> promptly and free. By me. :-)
>
>Let go and let some blood flow through before it drops off.
>

I think that you would be surprised at the level of dedication shown
by staff, particularly in country areas where people did seem to
appreciate the difficulties staff were under (Management and remote
areas). Having worked in a Section that installed the equipment in
Exchanges, cables, Transmission lines and Radio tower's etc I can
appreciate under what conditions staff had to endure to get the work
done. Long hours, long drives, camping that wasn't just for the fun of
it, grumpy Subscribers, and all with wages the same as staff in
Southern cities. Not everyone got Traveling Allowances (like me :-) )

I know of one place where there were 2 cattle stations (neighbours but
by some distance from each other and the local town) that had
different ways to treat staff. One would report all faults to the
local town and staff would be treated wonderfully on arrival with food
and be given some more to eat on the way home. The other would report
faults to Canberra (their Federal MP) and demand quick repairs and
weren't exactly friendly to staff sent out.

Even in towns where we put local woman out of a job by automating the
Exchange we never had complaints as the people appreciated what was
being done to improve things.

Of course, with competition this has changed dramatically. You now
have staff that just didn't go through the same training and have the
wide knowledge to fix more that just the one thing they were half
capable of. They are often led by Managers who too often were promoted
beyond their own incompetence and have delusions of their own
importance and won't listen to anyone junior to them who may know
better. But then that's not uncommon in a lot of organizations.

I finally had enough and put myself in a position to be offered
redundancy as the alternative was losing my temper with more and more
people. It doesn't do your reputation any good to tell someone more
senior that they are a fucking idiot.

[D Walford]

From memory we ordered our land line before the house was finished so
didn't have to wait long after we moved in, that was Dec 1978 and we
still have the same phone number.


Daryl

[D Walford]

On 30/04/2013 1:38 PM, PhilD wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:26:36 +1000, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/13 6:03 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they are
>>> nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(
>>
>> I've had accounts with all three, and in my experience Telstra is
>> *easily* the absolute worst in terms of staff knowledge and customer
>> service, and by a very long way. Their only saving grace is that they
>> have the best network coverage, which forces you between a rock and a
>> hard place.
>>
>> If ever there was a country that needed a *massive* telecommunications
>> overhaul it's this one.
>>
>>
>> --
> You're getting it, it's called the NBN, and it's costing the country
> an arm and a leg, plus your first born. Take out those that don't
> need/want Internet and only want a basic phone or use a mobile and
> you're left with one hell of a cost for the remainder, but all are
> paying for the network anyway. School's, hospital's, libraries, Police
> etc should have already had a fast connection with State Govt's. Large
> Companies had access to it at their own cost (Tax deductible).

At a fraction of the speed of the NBN, none of the older system come
even close.

So
> mostly it is only small business and private people that it's really
> for. There was ridiculous reasons for the NBN such as tele medicine at
> home as if a Doctor & Tech would do a private home visit and bring
> along an X-ray machine to connect up. The low take up rate for the NBN
> is a good indication of just how many have no need for it but will be
> forced on to it if they want a basic physical phone service anyway.

First I've heard about the copper wires being ripped up?

>
> It's only a mater of if, not when, a software glitch takes down the
> whole country with such a system.
>
> BTW, Labor have been guilty recently of false advertising saying that
> the NBN is FREE but just happened to not mention that it is but only
> to your front door. It's then up to you to contract a Provider. Only
> if you are not a Tax Payer is it free to your front door. Any private
> Company making such false and misleading statements would have the
> ACCC after them.

No more misleading that what you just said, the ads I've seen don't say
that its free, they say that they don't charge for running the cable to
your house.

> People were crying out for competition and they got it, and now don't
> like it in many ways. It will always deteriorate in to what is cost
> effective and the Customer is last on the list for consideration. At a
> time when city folk were calling for better comm's with competition,
> many in the country were still being brought up to what people in the
> cities took for granted. Some were still on Manual Assistance, if they
> had a service at all.
>
> It was a missed opportunity to create an NBN for mobile's a long time
> ago and we now have duplication on a grand scale (just like with cable
> TV) and with Govt pocketing massive fees from the auctioning of
> spectrum. By now we would have had a network that covered a much
> larger area of the country for less outlay. Mind you, then people
> would have been crying out for competition once again. I can see that
> happening with the NBN at some time if it ever gets fully up and
> running.
>
> When traveling I use a Telstra 3G WiFi dongle that can connect up to 5
> devices. I only use up to 3 connections at the moment for my laptop,
> Android pad and mobile. It works quite well generally and with a
> faster mobile network I could well give up my ADSL entirely and it
> would barely effect what I need to do. An external aerial and 4G would
> be much better. I would imagine that there's a lot of people
> throughout the country that could do just the same. I just can't see
> the value in the NBN to anyone who needs to be mobile frequently.

You may not know anyone that needs/wants faster better internet but
that's your problem, my son is an IT specialist and he says that
anything less than the full NBN is a waste of money and will be no
better than what we have now, his opinion of the Liberal fibre to node
option is that it is a disaster because it cannot deliver.
People should start thinking about long term instead of the next 10 minutes.
If we don't spend spend money on necessary infrastructure we are doomed
to become a backward third world country.



Daryl

[PhilD]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 16:54:17 +1000, Noddy <m...@wardengineering.com.au>
wrote:

>On 30/04/13 1:38 PM, PhilD wrote:
>
>> You're getting it, it's called the NBN, and it's costing the country
>> an arm and a leg, plus your first born. Take out those that don't
>> need/want Internet and only want a basic phone or use a mobile and
>> you're left with one hell of a cost for the remainder, but all are
>> paying for the network anyway.
>
>What are the number breakdowns?
>

No idea but the NBN take up compared to the number of premises that it
passes isn't giving me any confidence of value for money spent.

>I understand that people are complaining that the NBN is costing a lot
>of money, and it is, but is it the waste that some people are saying ir
>is it a decent system?
>

Is it value for money to be locked in to a physical network that could
be made redundant by possible alternatives such as faster WiFi. Isn't
this one of the complaints made about the NBN that it didn't have a
cost benefit analysis as against being a Labor Politicians wet dream.

>> School's, hospital's, libraries, Police
>> etc should have already had a fast connection with State Govt's. Large
>> Companies had access to it at their own cost (Tax deductible). So
>> mostly it is only small business and private people that it's really
>> for.
>
>Yeah but the hardware has to be there to permit the fast connections,
>and it largely isn't. The old twisted pair phone network is *severely*
>limited in it's capacity, and there are already large numbers of people
>who can't get anything other than dial up because of the limited number
>of nodes available.
>

Could those areas have been brought up to a better ADSL standard with
less expenditure. I understand your local issue and I was at me Mums
place South of Adelaide recently and it still no more than 28k dialup
as a max. But who is going to spend money upgrading the area when the
NBN is on the horizon, somewhere.

>> There was ridiculous reasons for the NBN such as tele medicine at
>> home as if a Doctor & Tech would do a private home visit and bring
>> along an X-ray machine to connect up. The low take up rate for the NBN
>> is a good indication of just how many have no need for it but will be
>> forced on to it if they want a basic physical phone service anyway.
>
> I think the low take up rate for the NBN at the moment has more to do
>with it's price and the limitations of the service than anything else.
>Those that do have it seem to be very happy with it, but until it comes
>online on a large scale and ISP's start catering for the massive
>throughput capability it's probably not for everyone.
>
>> It's only a mater of if, not when, a software glitch takes down the
>> whole country with such a system.
>
>Can't the same thing happen now? We recently had a good portion of
>Victoria taken off the grid due to a fire in a sub station.
>

Absolutely. The Exchanges for landlines and mobiles all rely on
software that is occasionally updated. If it can be fucked up by
humans it will be sometime. The joke is that the Exchanges were to
manned by a Tech and a dog. The Tech to feed the dog and the dog to
keep the Tech away from the equipment.

>> BTW, Labor have been guilty recently of false advertising saying that
>> the NBN is FREE but just happened to not mention that it is but only
>> to your front door. It's then up to you to contract a Provider. Only
>> if you are not a Tax Payer is it free to your front door. Any private
>> Company making such false and misleading statements would have the
>> ACCC after them.
>
>If only it would come to my door :)
>
>> People were crying out for competition and they got it, and now don't
>> like it in many ways. It will always deteriorate in to what is cost
>> effective and the Customer is last on the list for consideration. At a
>> time when city folk were calling for better comm's with competition,
>> many in the country were still being brought up to what people in the
>> cities took for granted. Some were still on Manual Assistance, if they
>> had a service at all.
>
>As long as Telstra has the monopoly on the hardware, then any thoughts
>of "competition" are simply imaginary.
>

It's a long time since it was that lopsided. Govt legislation, ACCC,
Courts and Lawyers etc control it all. If you don't like your current
supplier then change to someone else, but as so many people also
complain about the other Companies is that such a good idea. While
everyone bitches about Telstra, are they really that much worse that
many others, except for high prices?

>> It was a missed opportunity to create an NBN for mobile's a long time
>> ago and we now have duplication on a grand scale (just like with cable
>> TV) and with Govt pocketing massive fees from the auctioning of
>> spectrum. By now we would have had a network that covered a much
>> larger area of the country for less outlay. Mind you, then people
>> would have been crying out for competition once again. I can see that
>> happening with the NBN at some time if it ever gets fully up and
>> running.
>
>I don't know what parts of the country you're talking about but I'm
>50km's west of Melbourne's CBD and the wireless traffic is so congested
>it's appalling.
>

Lots of areas require even more base stations but as soon as one is
proposed to fill a black spot all the NIMBY's come out and object. I
do wonder how many of them also are a mobile user and want better
service. It's like wind turbines that no-one wants near them but want
more built.

>> When traveling I use a Telstra 3G WiFi dongle that can connect up to 5
>> devices. I only use up to 3 connections at the moment for my laptop,
>> Android pad and mobile. It works quite well generally and with a
>> faster mobile network I could well give up my ADSL entirely and it
>> would barely effect what I need to do. An external aerial and 4G would
>> be much better. I would imagine that there's a lot of people
>> throughout the country that could do just the same. I just can't see
>> the value in the NBN to anyone who needs to be mobile frequently.
>
>Spend some time in a Wireless black hole area for an instant
>re-appraisal of that opinion. Wireless currently is the single, most
>unreliable piss poor excuse for a communications carrying medium there is.
>

A couple of places I stayed while driving to Adelaide were a bit like
that and I gave up. From the other Networks I was seeing on my display
there would seem to have been quite a few other tourists using
wireless dongles. I just logged on later when they went to sleep.

>It makes Satellite look absolutely brilliant.
>

Isn't sat only fast one way (downwards) and you still require an
uplink method that may only not be anywhere near as fast? Add to that
the time delay which is far less that a terrestrial system.

>> As to who started the rot of dismantling Telstra, Howard often is
>> blamed but where I was it well and truly started earlier under Labor
>> with sections being "outsorced".
>
>I'd like to see the3 remainder of Telstra sold off completely and the
>whole operation put into private hands. Perhaps then it might start
>functioning like a 21st century telecommunications company.
>

Be careful what you wish for. Private enterprise doesn't equal a
quality product for the Customer, just the best deal for the
owners/shareholders.

I had the pleasure of listening to or dealing with both of the
American bosses that we had and was impressed with what they wanted to
do. But to me it seemed the middle Management was too entrenched in
their own empires and resisted change. I always felt that the worst
boss was Ziggy who came over from Optus. If ever there was someone who
seemed to have been appointed to dismantle or screw up Telstra you
couldn't have picked a better person to do it and allow competitors to
win out.

[D Walford]

On 30/04/2013 4:54 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/04/13 1:38 PM, PhilD wrote:
>
>> You're getting it, it's called the NBN, and it's costing the country
>> an arm and a leg, plus your first born. Take out those that don't
>> need/want Internet and only want a basic phone or use a mobile and
>> you're left with one hell of a cost for the remainder, but all are
>> paying for the network anyway.
>
> What are the number breakdowns?
>
> I understand that people are complaining that the NBN is costing a lot
> of money, and it is, but is it the waste that some people are saying ir
> is it a decent system?

According to Mark its a brilliant system, I paid for his education so I
hope he knows what he's talking about:-)
One of his jobs is to maintain the internet and other systems of a new
apartment building in the city, fibre cabling was used and he says it
all works exceptionally well and is extremely fast.



Daryl

[jonz]

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> If we don't spend spend money on necessary infrastructure we are doomed
> to become a backward third world country.

>
>
>
> Daryl

[atec77]

On 30/04/2013 6:35 PM, D Walford wrote:
> On 30/04/2013 4:54 PM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 30/04/13 1:38 PM, PhilD wrote:
>>
>>> You're getting it, it's called the NBN, and it's costing the country
>>> an arm and a leg, plus your first born. Take out those that don't
>>> need/want Internet and only want a basic phone or use a mobile and
>>> you're left with one hell of a cost for the remainder, but all are
>>> paying for the network anyway.
>>
>> What are the number breakdowns?
>>
>> I understand that people are complaining that the NBN is costing a lot
>> of money, and it is, but is it the waste that some people are saying ir
>> is it a decent system?
>
> According to Mark its a brilliant system, I paid for his education so I
> hope he knows what he's talking about:-)

the nbn is fraught with problems and sfa backahul

> One of his jobs is to maintain the internet and other systems of a new
> apartment building in the city, fibre cabling was used and he says it
> all works exceptionally well and is extremely fast.
>

until it gets some real take up , then guess what happens
>
>
> Daryl


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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 5:38 PM, PhilD wrote:

> Must have been a Victorian thing. Didn't happen here with this new
> township in 1982/3. They did a great job on ours, even without knowing
> who we worked for.

They did it religiously here.

> Also, although I left there about 7 years ago we have had a couple of
> cable troubles in the previous 2 wet seasons and we had someone here
> within a couple of hours and fixed within an hour or 2. I'd have to
> say that service here has improved over the last few years. That's not
> to say that I've never had problems with them, and that did include
> Newsgroup access a few years ago. We also had 6 months of trouble
> sorting out account problems after we both left the Company and
> therefore were off of staff discounts. Within the Company we always
> knew who to speak to directly to get problems fixed.

We have land line problems here a lot, as when they developed this area
they didn't use conduit. I'm not kidding, but they laid the cable
straight into a trench and back filled it with the crap they pulled out.
As a result the cables break quite a bit. Especially at the end of
summer when we get the first big rain and the ground moves around a bit.

At my last house in Suburbia we lost the land line once after the cable
was found dangling off the pole in front of the house next door. I was
tempted to get a ladder out and fix it myself as the quickest and
simplest solution, but then thought of the problems I might have if
something went wrong and I was discovered to be "fucking with the network".

So I called Telstra and reported the outage, and when they asked if
there was anyone in the house who required medical care I mentioned my
mum who is a type II diabetic. The bird on the phone said that was
enough to qualify for priority, and it would be repaired as soon as was
humanly possible.

11 days later a Telstra van pulled up out the front and the "technician"
fixed the line in 7 minutes :)





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[D Walford]

Compared to what, even if its half the claimed speed its still 5 times
faster than anything currently available.


Daryl

[D Walford]

For some reason they don't seem to like you:-)
Only had one problem with the land line here in 34yrs and I was pissed
that it took 3 days to fix and 2 of those days was a weekend, reported
it on a Thursday night, fixed on Monday morning, it was a bad connection
at the end of the street.


Daryl

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 6:31 PM, PhilD wrote:

> No idea but the NBN take up compared to the number of premises that it
> passes isn't giving me any confidence of value for money spent.

I don't think a lot of it is actually ready yet, is it?

I don't know about the rest of the country, but down here the cable has
been run out in a few areas but it's only most of the suburb of
Brunswick that is up and running. They've only just finished running out
the cable in my town of Bacchus Marsh, but as far as I'm aware there are
no domestic connections between the cable and residences yet.

The "NBN" caravan has been parked in the middle of town with it's lights
flashing for the last couple of weeks, and it always seems to have a few
people poking their noses in whenever I go past, but I think it's
supposed to be a few weeks yet before the town is "ready to go" so to speak.

> Is it value for money to be locked in to a physical network that could
> be made redundant by possible alternatives such as faster WiFi.

WiFi would need to improve ten million fold before it could be seen as a
viable alternative in my opinion, and I think that's one of the main
reasons why they've opted for hard wired connections: WiFi is incredibly
unreliable.

> Isn't this one of the complaints made about the NBN that it didn't have a
> cost benefit analysis as against being a Labor Politicians wet dream.

Couldn't tell you.

> Could those areas have been brought up to a better ADSL standard with
> less expenditure. I understand your local issue and I was at me Mums
> place South of Adelaide recently and it still no more than 28k dialup
> as a max. But who is going to spend money upgrading the area when the
> NBN is on the horizon, somewhere.

That's the problem. The NBN doesn't get to everyone.

As I mentioned they've just finished the cable roll out in my town, but
because myself and my two dozen neighbours live a few km just out of
town up the hill they didn't think it worthwhile running the cable up to
us. So, we're presumably we'll be part of the "5% of Australians" who'll
be on dedicated wireless.

Great. I would expect that if I lived 2 hours South of Ayres Rock and
was the only house within 7 hours drive, but I'm 50km's West of the
Melbourne CBD and this particular area gets a new house every couple of
months or so.

All I can say is that dedicated wireless would want to work a thousand
times better than the current system or they can shove it up their arse
sideways.

> It's a long time since it was that lopsided.

Oh yeah?

Try putting in a request for an ADSL connection with *any* ISP in the
country and it has to go through Telstra's technicians and use their
hardware. If Telstra says no for whatever reason you're up shit creek
and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

> Govt legislation, ACCC,
> Courts and Lawyers etc control it all. If you don't like your current
> supplier then change to someone else, but as so many people also
> complain about the other Companies is that such a good idea. While
> everyone bitches about Telstra, are they really that much worse that
> many others, except for high prices?

Yeah, they are. Of the three phone companies I've been with they are far
and away the most incompetent.

> Isn't sat only fast one way (downwards) and you still require an
> uplink method that may only not be anywhere near as fast? Add to that
> the time delay which is far less that a terrestrial system.

In a nutshell, yeah. It's painful and not recommended unless you have no
other option.

> Be careful what you wish for. Private enterprise doesn't equal a
> quality product for the Customer, just the best deal for the
> owners/shareholders.

I'd be more than happy with that, as I feel the service Telstra provides
couldn't possibly be any worse. The bonus would be that if it was fully
privatised it'd probably be 50% cheaper.

> I had the pleasure of listening to or dealing with both of the
> American bosses that we had and was impressed with what they wanted to
> do. But to me it seemed the middle Management was too entrenched in
> their own empires and resisted change. I always felt that the worst
> boss was Ziggy who came over from Optus. If ever there was someone who
> seemed to have been appointed to dismantle or screw up Telstra you
> couldn't have picked a better person to do it and allow competitors to
> win out.

What competitors win? Short of Optus cable they *all* have to use at
least *some* part of Telstra's network.

Telstra wins either way.



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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 6:35 PM, D Walford wrote:

> According to Mark its a brilliant system, I paid for his education so I
> hope he knows what he's talking about:-)
> One of his jobs is to maintain the internet and other systems of a new
> apartment building in the city, fibre cabling was used and he says it
> all works exceptionally well and is extremely fast.

Pack of cunts, the lot of them :)


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Noddy.

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 8:24 PM, D Walford wrote:

> For some reason they don't seem to like you:-)

Fucked if I know why. I'm a nice enough chap really :)

> Only had one problem with the land line here in 34yrs and I was pissed
> that it took 3 days to fix and 2 of those days was a weekend, reported
> it on a Thursday night, fixed on Monday morning, it was a bad connection
> at the end of the street.

My theory is that if you leave Telstra and eventually crawl back to them
after everyone else's mobile coverage is piss-weak, they put a special
mark against your account to let everyone within the company know that
when dealing with you they have to treat you like a fucking idiot and
make you wait for the rest of your life.




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Noddy.

[Blue Heeler]

Noddy wrote:


> Their left hand has no fucking idea what their right hand is doing....

I went back to work yesterday to help with the move to new offices.

Telstra have known, as in have had work orders, to relocate 4 dual
channel ISDN lines for nearly 3 months, along with one "Pots" line that
provides DSL internet access and also serves as the fax line.

Guess what, the Telstra Tech, who arrived onsite 2 hours late, knew
nothing about ISDN provisioning other than a vague understanding of how
to plug them in and then connect his junior woodchuck "go-no/go" tester
to them. Eventually I took pity on him and explained that the as the
network termination unit had a rock solid "connect" indication and as
his junior wood chuck ISDN test tool likewise showed a perfect system,
that perhaps if he whipped out his laptop and programmed the NTUs
correctly, we would have a telephone service. I even recalled that
there is a way to program them using a plain jane phone, but I must
admit the fine detail of how to do that escapes me now. He looked at me
blankly and said that the guy in the test centre would program them -
funny that, until they are set to terminate the correct number, the
test centre cannot see them.

Anyway, no phones for us until at least tomorrow when his boss, who
apparently knows about such things, will be able to attend to setting
up the NTUs correctly. Silly prick couldn't understand why I was pissed
with him - it isn't rocket science.

I was also pissed with him because whilst the silly bastard actually
managed to get the POTS line for the fax working, unfortunately there
was no DSL provisioning arranged, so no Intenet till next week.

Mind you, when I rang our "customer contact person" to ask why 3 months
was not enough time to get their shit together, he at least did
organise a wireless router, configured for our fixed IP to be delivered
within 30 minutes, Yay, we have email and bog slow internet......God
help us when we get sent a few 20meg file attachments.

On the other hand, the private company engaged to install the new PABX
were onsite exactly on time, unboxed the gear, plugged it in and had it
tested to the extent they could with no NTUs active in 90 minutes.




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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 9:30 PM, Blue Heeler wrote:

> Guess what, the Telstra Tech, who arrived onsite 2 hours late, knew
> nothing about ISDN provisioning other than a vague understanding of how
> to plug them in and then connect his junior woodchuck "go-no/go" tester
> to them. Eventually I took pity on him and explained that the as the
> network termination unit had a rock solid "connect" indication and as
> his junior wood chuck ISDN test tool likewise showed a perfect system,
> that perhaps if he whipped out his laptop and programmed the NTUs
> correctly, we would have a telephone service. I even recalled that
> there is a way to program them using a plain jane phone, but I must
> admit the fine detail of how to do that escapes me now. He looked at me
> blankly and said that the guy in the test centre would program them -
> funny that, until they are set to terminate the correct number, the
> test centre cannot see them.

Staggering.

> Anyway, no phones for us until at least tomorrow when his boss, who
> apparently knows about such things, will be able to attend to setting
> up the NTUs correctly. Silly prick couldn't understand why I was pissed
> with him - it isn't rocket science.

It is to him apparently :)

> I was also pissed with him because whilst the silly bastard actually
> managed to get the POTS line for the fax working, unfortunately there
> was no DSL provisioning arranged, so no Intenet till next week.

Grouse.

> Mind you, when I rang our "customer contact person" to ask why 3 months
> was not enough time to get their shit together, he at least did
> organise a wireless router, configured for our fixed IP to be delivered
> within 30 minutes, Yay, we have email and bog slow internet......God
> help us when we get sent a few 20meg file attachments.

Heh :)

> On the other hand, the private company engaged to install the new PABX
> were onsite exactly on time, unboxed the gear, plugged it in and had it
> tested to the extent they could with no NTUs active in 90 minutes.

Makes you wonder that if they put half as much time and money into
getting their shit together as they do with TV and radio advertisements
telling us how great they are, then *maybe* they might actually start
acting like a legitimate communications company and do their fucking
jobs rather than looking like a sheltered workshop that runs basket
weaving programs to keep the window lickers occupied.






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Noddy.

[D Walford]

On 30/04/2013 8:38 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/04/13 8:24 PM, D Walford wrote:
>
>> For some reason they don't seem to like you:-)
>
> Fucked if I know why. I'm a nice enough chap really :)

LOL.

>
>> Only had one problem with the land line here in 34yrs and I was pissed
>> that it took 3 days to fix and 2 of those days was a weekend, reported
>> it on a Thursday night, fixed on Monday morning, it was a bad connection
>> at the end of the street.
>
> My theory is that if you leave Telstra and eventually crawl back to them
> after everyone else's mobile coverage is piss-weak, they put a special
> mark against your account to let everyone within the company know that
> when dealing with you they have to treat you like a fucking idiot and
> make you wait for the rest of your life.
>

I've had my fair share of problems with them but despite that I wouldn't
even bother with any of the others for mobiles.
Last week I was having a problem with my Galaxy S3 which keep rebooting
itself, I Googled the problem and someone suggested it was the memory
card so I removed it which worked for a while but after a few days the
problem came back so I rang Telstra and they told me how to go about
getting it fixed under warranty, 10mins on the phone and a I had "Proof
of Warranty" form emailed to me.
Not wanting to take it for repairs I Googled again and someone else
suggested a full reset so I backed up my contacts etc and did the reset
which so far seems to have fixed it and for some reason my battery now
lasts twice as long but none of the Telstra "tech" people I spoke to
could suggest anything other than returning it for repairs.


Daryl

[F Murtz]

Csiro is working on something that may make nbn a waste of money.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/csiro-brings-broadband-to-your-tv-antenna-20101103-17e4d.html

[F Murtz]

I just found out others sent email to bigpond when it stopped working,
the same time as me and have recieved the same email answer.
you would think it would ring a bell in anyone but telstra employees
that something was amiss and would check server before instructing
people on how to connect to something not working.

[F Murtz]

They are on a good thing, they have found a subscriber that they can
more money out of by not connecting to dsl

[D Walford]

Did you read the article?
I only works on line of sight and they said its not suitable for
anything other than small towns.


Daryl

[PhilD]

Unless something has changed I thought that the intention, and the
Contract with NBN, is that Telstra will decommission (what ever that
means) the copper network in an area approx 18 months after the NBN is
up and running in that area. If that's the case your phone service has
to be connected to the NBN whether you like it or not. Same goes for
fax, data, private, fire alarms etc.

>> It's only a mater of if, not when, a software glitch takes down the
>> whole country with such a system.
>>
>> BTW, Labor have been guilty recently of false advertising saying that
>> the NBN is FREE but just happened to not mention that it is but only
>> to your front door. It's then up to you to contract a Provider. Only
>> if you are not a Tax Payer is it free to your front door. Any private
>> Company making such false and misleading statements would have the
>> ACCC after them.
>
>No more misleading that what you just said, the ads I've seen don't say
>that its free, they say that they don't charge for running the cable to
>your house.
>

From Julia's own Facebook page.
http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv62/phild12s131e/NBNFREE_zpse104a322.jpg

Clearly an intelligent person would understand what it really means
but as in so many cases where the ACCC has prosecuted Companies for
misleading and deceptive advertising this is no different. It's only
FREE to the junction box on the wall and that isn't stated.

Lets suppose you run a cleaning business and you advertise that we
come to your premises for free, but neglect to state that you only are
free to the front door. Is that misleading or deceptive?

[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 10:48 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> They are on a good thing, they have found a subscriber that they can
> more money out of by not connecting to dsl

That's about the size of it. Trouble is that you can't force them to
provide you with a service.


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[Noddy]

On 30/04/13 10:40 PM, F Murtz wrote:

> I just found out others sent email to bigpond when it stopped working,
> the same time as me and have recieved the same email answer.
> you would think it would ring a bell in anyone but telstra employees
> that something was amiss and would check server before instructing
> people on how to connect to something not working.

You're assuming the telstra employee who replied to you actually gave a
shit.

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[F Murtz]

Here is more

http://www.csiro.au/news/ps2kj

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 7:59 PM, Noddy wrote:

1. It wasn't *network* you idiot. At worst it was a *break-off* pole or
a *drop-wire* feed.
2. A *linesman* fixed it you idiot.


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[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 8:24 PM, D Walford wrote:

> For some reason they don't seem to like you:-)

NO????

> Only had one problem with the land line here in 34yrs and I was pissed
> that it took 3 days to fix and 2 of those days was a weekend, reported
> it on a Thursday night, fixed on Monday morning, it was a bad connection
> at the end of the street.

[Feral]

On 30/04/2013 8:38 PM, Noddy wrote:

They shouldn't have you flagged for long then? :-P

[Dechucka]

"Feral" <plo...@home.ru> wrote in message
news:klnlbs$i5t$2...@dont-email.me...
> On 30/04/2013 12:20 PM, D Walford wrote:
>
>> Also there were no mobiles or internet and a lot fewer landlines so its
>> possible service was better but there is no real comparison to now.
>> In the 50's my parents had the only phone in our immediate area so not
>> many phones to go wrong.

>
> And they were *subscribers*, not *customers* and everything got fixed
> promptly and free. By me. :-)

So you're the cunt who trampled my roses in 1979. I'm still waiting for you
to come back and apologize as the complaints dept said you would

[Feral]

On 1/05/2013 6:26 AM, Dechucka wrote:
>
> "Feral" <plo...@home.ru> wrote in message
> news:klnlbs$i5t$2...@dont-email.me...

>> And they were *subscribers*, not *customers* and everything got fixed
>> promptly and free. By me. :-)
>
>
>
> So you're the cunt who trampled my roses in 1979. I'm still waiting for
> you to come back and apologize as the complaints dept said you would

Those who grow roses are usually prickly pricks. :-)

Were you residing in the Riverina area in '79?

[Dechucka]

"Feral" <plo...@home.ru> wrote in message

news:klpdsv$f1d$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 1/05/2013 6:26 AM, Dechucka wrote:
>>
>> "Feral" <plo...@home.ru> wrote in message
>> news:klnlbs$i5t$2...@dont-email.me...
>
>>> And they were *subscribers*, not *customers* and everything got fixed
>>> promptly and free. By me. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> So you're the cunt who trampled my roses in 1979. I'm still waiting for
>> you to come back and apologize as the complaints dept said you would
>
> Those who grow roses are usually prickly pricks. :-)
>
> Were you residing in the Riverina area in '79?

no but weren't you everywhere according to "and everything got fixed

[G S ng]

Hey All,

Yes, it seems there are some issues with news.bigpond.com.

I had used it exclusively through outlook express / Windows live mail since
the mid 90's, mainly for text newsgroup "forums" & the occasional binary
download.....

It had become notoriously unreliable in the past 12 months or so, and after
some frustrating phone calls with numerous Telstra "techs" I finally got on
to a fellow who knew what the hell I was talking about who was a great help
in getting the service going again (He has now moved on)

Then for last few months where the service strangely started alternating
between working on my work comp -(W7 - WLM) and home Computer - (XP - OLE) -
Yes, it would work on one comp, but not the other ... very strange...

Until now, when it doesn't work at all on either machine

I have now changed to a free server : news.aioe.org which I believe does not
support binaries and is apparently slow, but as I only browse a few text
based newsgroup "forums" these days, it seems to suit my need, and works on
both machines...

Cheers,

Gary

Brisbane Queensland Australia


"atec77" wrote in message news:klnan3$bnt$2...@dont-email.me...

On 30/04/2013 9:50 AM, Trevor wrote:
> "Noddy" <m...@wardengineering.com.au> wrote in message
> news:klmvd6$umb$1...@dont-email.me...

>> On 30/04/13 6:03 AM, Trevor wrote:
>>> Exactly. They retrenched all the staff who actually had a clue, now they
>>> are
>>> nearly as bad as Optus and Vodaphone! :-(

>>our fskup

>> I've had accounts with all three, and in my experience Telstra is
>> *easily*
>> the absolute worst in terms of staff knowledge and customer service, and
>> by a very long way. Their only saving grace is that they have the best
>> network coverage, which forces you between a rock and a hard place.
>>
>

> Well it's a long time since I could afford Telstra, but the service once
> was
> far better than anything I've ever had from Optus or Vodaphone :-(

>
>
>> If ever there was a country that needed a *massive* telecommunications
>> overhaul it's this one.
>

> That's what John Howard gave us :-( Now we get to spend more taxpayer
> money
> to upgrade the network than it was sold for. Lost the $5B every year they
> were getting in revenue *after* network upgrade costs. Seen a triplication
> of networks at great expense, a loss of a hundred thousand jobs in Telstra
> and support industries, and the customer service has gotten worse.
> Unfortunately the government can't "fix" it now, even with an NBN.
>
> Trevor.
>
>
>
You really are a fckwitt , we all know JH's response was to solve the
massive debt Keating created , another labor fskup

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[Feral]

On 1/05/2013 8:24 AM, Dechucka wrote:

> no but weren't you everywhere according to "and everything got fixed
> promptly and free. By me. :-)"

Ahah - a picky, prickly prick. :-P

[Jason James]

On Apr 30, 3:42 pm, Feral <plon...@home.ru> wrote:
> On 30/04/2013 12:30 PM, Jason James wrote:
>
> > OTC trainee technicians used the DCA school for the first couple of
> > years [due the basic electronics being taught], then they switched to
> > dedicated OTC curriculum for the final 2 or 3 years..
>
> Us older bastards still have good memory eh! ;-)


Yep,..it's recent recall that starts to go,.with age apparently :-(

Jason

[Feral]

On 1/05/2013 9:55 AM, Jason James wrote:

> Yep,..it's recent recall that starts to go,.with age apparently :-(

LIFO

[D Walford]

On 30/04/2013 11:23 PM, PhilD wrote:

>>>
> Unless something has changed I thought that the intention, and the
> Contract with NBN, is that Telstra will decommission (what ever that
> means) the copper network in an area approx 18 months after the NBN is
> up and running in that area. If that's the case your phone service has
> to be connected to the NBN whether you like it or not. Same goes for
> fax, data, private, fire alarms etc.

You could be right but its the first I've heard of it.

>>> It's only a mater of if, not when, a software glitch takes down the
>>> whole country with such a system.
>>>
>>> BTW, Labor have been guilty recently of false advertising saying that
>>> the NBN is FREE but just happened to not mention that it is but only
>>> to your front door. It's then up to you to contract a Provider. Only
>>> if you are not a Tax Payer is it free to your front door. Any private
>>> Company making such false and misleading statements would have the
>>> ACCC after them.
>>
>> No more misleading that what you just said, the ads I've seen don't say
>> that its free, they say that they don't charge for running the cable to
>> your house.
>>
> From Julia's own Facebook page.
> http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv62/phild12s131e/NBNFREE_zpse104a322.jpg
>
> Clearly an intelligent person would understand what it really means
> but as in so many cases where the ACCC has prosecuted Companies for
> misleading and deceptive advertising this is no different. It's only
> FREE to the junction box on the wall and that isn't stated.
>
> Lets suppose you run a cleaning business and you advertise that we
> come to your premises for free, but neglect to state that you only are
> free to the front door. Is that misleading or deceptive?
>

If someone made that claim in their advertising I would take it to mean
they didn't charge for travelling, only a complete idiot would think
they were getting the service for free.



Daryl

[D Walford]

On 30/04/2013 11:50 PM, F Murtz wrote:

>>> Csiro is working on something that may make nbn a waste of money.
>>>
>>> http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/csiro-brings-broadband-to-your-tv-antenna-20101103-17e4d.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Did you read the article?
>> I only works on line of sight and they said its not suitable for
>> anything other than small towns.
>>
>>
>> Daryl
> Here is more
>
> http://www.csiro.au/news/ps2kj
>

It sound great but its not a substitute for the NBN except in limited
applications, there was also no mention of cost.


Daryl

[Noddy]

On 01/05/13 6:15 AM, Feral wrote:

> They shouldn't have you flagged for long then? :-P

You'll be dead before I will.



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