Sydney bus driver bashed by cyclist in roadrage attack
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
A CYCLIST illegally riding on a T-Way lane in Sydney followed a bus, boarded the
vehicle at a bus stop and then bashed the 64-year-old driver.
Police are investigating the incident, which took place at, Seven Hills in
Sydney's north on the North West Transitway at about 5.05am (AEDT) on Friday
morning.
They are searching for the cyclist.
Police said the driver overtook the cyclist, who then pulled up alongside the
bus at the next set of lights, banged on the bus window and broke the driver's
mirror.
"At the next bus stop the rider entered the bus and allegedly assaulted the
driver," a police spokesman said.
It is the latest in a series of violent incidents between drivers and cyclists,
who are illegally using the T-Way.
The RTA has acknowledged that illegal cycling on the T-Way is rife, saying it
was in the process of installing 61 "no bicycle signs" along the North West
Transitway, in addition to signs already in place.
Motorists caught on camera using the purpose-built bus lanes, which begin at
Parramatta in the city's west, are fined $220 each but the RTA has no way of
tracking down cyclists.
The cyclist was caught on CC-TV wearing a blue helmet and bike clothing and is
described as white/European in his 30s and about 178cm tall.
Transport Workers Union spokesman Darcy Waller said the cyclist "got all upset
because the bus overtook him" on a road he shouldn't be using.
"He was dressed like Cadel Evans and still wearing his helmet as he pushed past
a woman and started throwing punches at this driver."
The RTA said it would be "taking part in discussions" with Hillsbus and union
delegates in the next fortnight in a bid to stamp out the cycling problem.
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Claude
"Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au ."> wrote
in message news:02f44610$0$1273$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
>
> A CYCLIST illegally riding on a T-Way lane in Sydney followed a bus,
> boarded the vehicle at a bus stop and then bashed the 64-year-old driver.
>
I'd wager that the cyclist was of the opinion that the bus driver came very
close to deliberately killing him
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
Too bad he didn't. It would serve him right.
terryc
So far, noon, it looks like another Daily Terror beat up. Not on SMH or
ABC. Does anyone know the police press release site url?
According to the RTA, it isn't illegal, yet, to ride in the transit lane.
Seems there are no signs prohibiting bicyclists from being there, when
they are allowed in all(?) other bus transit lanes.
terryc
> Not on SMH or ABC.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/10/26/2724047.htm?section=justin
Just popped up.
Zebee Johnstone
terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> According to the RTA, it isn't illegal, yet, to ride in the transit lane.
> Seems there are no signs prohibiting bicyclists from being there, when
> they are allowed in all(?) other bus transit lanes.
Not all. Only buses in bus only lanes, not taxis, motorcycles, or
cyclists,
Usually bus only lanes are the traffic light stop areas with B lights,
but the Tway is also one.
Zebee
Claude
> Claude wrote:
>> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au .">
>> wrote in message news:02f44610$0$1273$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
>>>
>>> A CYCLIST illegally riding on a T-Way lane in Sydney followed a bus,
>>> boarded the vehicle at a bus stop and then bashed the 64-year-old
>>> driver.
>>
>> I'd wager that the cyclist was of the opinion that the bus driver came
>> very close to deliberately killing him
>
> Too bad he didn't. It would serve him right.
>
Hmmm, that's a tad strong I'd say - I don't think even your namesake would
go along with that line of action. While the cyclist apparently had no
right to be in the transit lane, that would not justify the bus driver doing
anything other than treating the cyclist's welfare and safety with the
utmost concern and respect (mind you, I've no idea what the driver actually
did).
Claude
"terryc" <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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Attacking a bus driver is unacceptable (if that's what happened), but
getting blasted unexpectedly by a piercing horn at close range would really
get my blood boiling (and has). I once saw the driver of a convertible go
into aploplexy when he was blasted by a horn and it is similar on a bike -
its bloody loud. I see the ABC report says the driver merely 'sounded' his
horn - very decorous.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au ."> wrote
> in message news:006e78b5$0$26854$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> Claude wrote:
>>> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au .">
>>> wrote in message news:02f44610$0$1273$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
>>>>
>>>> A CYCLIST illegally riding on a T-Way lane in Sydney followed a bus,
>>>> boarded the vehicle at a bus stop and then bashed the 64-year-old
>>>> driver.
>>> I'd wager that the cyclist was of the opinion that the bus driver came
>>> very close to deliberately killing him
>> Too bad he didn't. It would serve him right.
>
> Hmmm, that's a tad strong I'd say - I don't think even your namesake would
> go along with that line of action. While the cyclist apparently had no
> right to be in the transit lane, that would not justify the bus driver doing
> anything other than treating the cyclist's welfare and safety with the
> utmost concern and respect (mind you, I've no idea what the driver actually
> did).
Exactly. But we do know what the cyclist did. Clearly, the cyclist is an
arsehole who thought he was king of the road.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
So what? You don't hear pedestrians complaining (although they might). But they
certainly don't attack drivers.
Claude
>
> Exactly. But we do know what the cyclist did. Clearly, the cyclist is an
> arsehole who thought he was king of the road.
>
or two from the passengers before reaching a conclusion as definitive as
that.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <sup...@domainnames.com.au ."> wrote
>> Exactly. But we do know what the cyclist did. Clearly, the cyclist is an
>> arsehole who thought he was king of the road.
>>
> I wouldn't mind hearing the cyclist's side of the story or at least a word
> or two from the passengers before reaching a conclusion as definitive as
> that.
Since there were no reported comments from passengers apart from what happened
to the driver, I doubt any of them noticed anything.
F Murtz
entitled to attests to part of the statement (aside from whether the law
should be different)
terryc
> I see the ABC report says the
> driver merely 'sounded' his horn - very decorous.
Yer, right, excuse if I wait for that to be confirmed before deciding
that the bicyclist was a total nut case as they are trying to make out.
I thought all buses were equiped with radios these days. So why didn't
the driver report it immediately. I'm sure the police would have been all
over the spot in minutes.
terryc
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:41 +0000, Claude wrote:
>
>> I see the ABC report says the
>> driver merely 'sounded' his horn - very decorous.
>
> Yer, right, excuse if I wait for that to be confirmed before deciding
> that the bicyclist was a total nut case as they are trying to make out.
Lol, the bus drive has now admitted to "overtaking the bicyclist" and I
guess we all know what really happened.
F Murtz
road illegally. By all means get the law changed but until then stay off
it.(I would love to be able to use it on a cycle or motorbike as it is
an empty white elephant most of the time)
Zebee Johnstone
terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:41 +0000, Claude wrote:
>
>> I see the ABC report says the
>> driver merely 'sounded' his horn - very decorous.
>
> Yer, right, excuse if I wait for that to be confirmed before deciding
> that the bicyclist was a total nut case as they are trying to make out.
Sorry, having a horn in your ear is not a reason to commit assault.
Yes, the assault is not yet proven, but neither is the loudness or
length or timing or even existence of the horn blast.
Zebee
Zebee Johnstone
F Murtz <hag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> terryc wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:29:51 +0000, terryc wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:41 +0000, Claude wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see the ABC report says the
>>>> driver merely 'sounded' his horn - very decorous.
>>> Yer, right, excuse if I wait for that to be confirmed before deciding
>>> that the bicyclist was a total nut case as they are trying to make out.
>>
>> Lol, the bus drive has now admitted to "overtaking the bicyclist" and I
>> guess we all know what really happened.
> Does not alter the fact, the cyclist is the "nutcase" for being on the
> road illegally. By all means get the law changed but until then stay off
No, for committing a road rage assault.... Being on the transit way
is wrong but it's not that wrong.
And if you think you know what happened because of the word "overtake"
terry, you are being a fool. You think you know because your
prejudice is speaking for you. Until you have sat in court or seen
the transcript you don't know.
Zebee
Tomasso
Perrrrsonally Zebbie,
I suspect there is a cultural issue here. The RTA have a certain latitude
in the defintions of good and bad. So I'd rather wait to find out which
aggressive dickhead was an aggressive dickhead. Maybe one, maybe
t'other. maybe both and maybe neither.
Tomasso.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
And likewise, being in the wrong lane causing some inconvenience is
rarely reason to have ones life put unnecessarily at risk, which the
cyclist pretty clearly thought had happened.
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TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> is wrong but it's not that wrong.
>
> And if you think you know what happened because of the word "overtake"
> terry, you are being a fool. You think you know because your
> prejudice is speaking for you. Until you have sat in court or seen
> the transcript you don't know.
And even then, I'd have my suspicion that the absolute truth would
come out.
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lawyers suck.
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F Murtz
should not have been there .End of story. He will get what he
deserves.The police have a clear photo of him, good video evidence,every
one has seen the photo on tv.I don't like his chances.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> On 2009-10-26, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> In aus.bicycle on Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:29:51 +0000 (UTC)
>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:41 +0000, Claude wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see the ABC report says the
>>>> driver merely 'sounded' his horn - very decorous.
>>> Yer, right, excuse if I wait for that to be confirmed before deciding
>>> that the bicyclist was a total nut case as they are trying to make out.
>> Sorry, having a horn in your ear is not a reason to commit assault.
>>
>> Yes, the assault is not yet proven, but neither is the loudness or
>> length or timing or even existence of the horn blast.
>
> And likewise, being in the wrong lane causing some inconvenience is
> rarely reason to have ones life put unnecessarily at risk, which the
> cyclist pretty clearly thought had happened.
So what was the damn fool doing there putting someone's life at risk?
And road rage is seldom about risking life and limb. Its about small men with
huge egos who think they own the road and have the right to let everyone else
know. This cyclist was nothing but a prick. He deserves to have the shit beaten
out of him but he'll probably just get off with a warning and a small fine from
another limp-wristed magistrate.
The one good thing he's achieved, however, is that he's now pissed off every
other cyclist who has been illegally using that lane. The police are going to
come down hard on them and they'll be cursing that prick for years to come.
terryc
> And if you think you know what happened because of the word "overtake"
> terry, you are being a fool. You think you know because your prejudice
> is speaking for you. Until you have sat in court or seen the transcript
> you don't know.
And you think that will be the definitive answer?
If the bicyclist decides to fess up and has two neurons to rub together,
then they will go to a solicitor and make a statement to be given to the
police and decline to answer any further questions.
Of course I am making a statement based on experience and observation and
declaring where my bets would be laid. In my half a century of
recreational bicycling, I am yet to meet some one who resorts to violence
because they were simply over taken. YMMV.
terryc
> Why is every body looking for justification .There is none.The cyclist
> should not have been there .End of story.
Nope. Being somewhere you should not be does not make your totally
responsible for anything that is inflicted upon you.
If the driver objected to his presence on the T way, a phone call or
radio call to base or police would have been the appropriate response.
> He will get what he
> deserves.The police have a clear photo of him, good video evidence,every
> one has seen the photo on tv.I don't like his chances.
If he has two neurons, he will seek legal advice and only supply a
written statement to the police and not verbally answer questions. I am
very sure the bus driver will be doing the same following strong advice
from his union. It will be very interesting to see what the passengers
say.
F Murtz
> On 2009-10-26, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
> was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
>> In aus.bicycle on Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:29:51 +0000 (UTC)
>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:30:41 +0000, Claude wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see the ABC report says the
>>>> driver merely 'sounded' his horn - very decorous.
>>> Yer, right, excuse if I wait for that to be confirmed before deciding
>>> that the bicyclist was a total nut case as they are trying to make out.
>> Sorry, having a horn in your ear is not a reason to commit assault.
>>
>> Yes, the assault is not yet proven, but neither is the loudness or
>> length or timing or even existence of the horn blast.
>
> And likewise, being in the wrong lane causing some inconvenience is
> rarely reason to have ones life put unnecessarily at risk, which the
> cyclist pretty clearly thought had happened.
>
If it is where I think It is not a "lane" it is a completely separate
road for buses only NOT bicycles.(It is almost always empty)
Davo
The fact is the cyclist clambered onto the bus and assaulted the
driver. The driver has nothing to worry about because he hasn't done
anything illegal, whereas the cyclist has committed at least two offences.
terryc
> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au .">
> wrote in message news:02f44610$0$1273$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
2nd day in the SMH
http://www.smh.com.au/national/not-fare-x2026-the-battle-of-bike-rider-
and-bus-driver-20091026-hgpo.html?skin=text-only
terryc
> The fact is the cyclist clambered onto the bus and assaulted the
> driver.
Apparently after breaking the driver side mirror at the bus stop prior.
Hmm, why didn't the bus driver radio or phone in instantly this road rage
event?
> The driver has nothing to worry about because he hasn't done
> anything illegal,
That is the part that is yet to be determined.
Zebee Johnstone
TimC <tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> On 2009-10-26, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
>> length or timing or even existence of the horn blast.
>
> And likewise, being in the wrong lane causing some inconvenience is
> rarely reason to have ones life put unnecessarily at risk, which the
> cyclist pretty clearly thought had happened.
And then reacted unreasonably.
The facts aren't known, going on what we do know the cyclist was in
the wrong place, and then assaulted a driver.
What we *don't* know is what the driver did besides blowing a horn.
Can assume heaps, but don't know.
If the cyclist was being rational perhaps the driver did do something
unpleasant with that big bus.
BUt then attacking someone isn't rational, so maybe assuming the
cyclist was rational instead of a raging dickhead isn't the correct
assumption.
Just because for some minutes of the day that person has a similar
identity, that of "cyclist", doesn't make them immune to
dickheadedness.
Zebee
terryc
> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au .">
> wrote in message news:02f44610$0$1273$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
The video is out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxrL-cTbwm8
Now, who is going to eat humble pie.
terryc
> The facts aren't known, going on what we do know the cyclist was in the
> wrong place, and then assaulted a driver.
It is claimed that the driver was assaulted. For something that is being
made out to be very serious, this aged bus driver certainly took his time
in reporting the matter. Must be a really arsehole bus company to work
for if he didn't report this serious assault immediately. Or are the
police covering up the fact that they didn't respond in a timely manner.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
He's nothing but a tool!
Davo
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:25:57 +0900, Davo wrote:
>
>
>> The fact is the cyclist clambered onto the bus and assaulted the
>> driver.
>
> Apparently after breaking the driver side mirror at the bus stop prior.
> Hmm, why didn't the bus driver radio or phone in instantly this road rage
> event?
didn't radio ahead because he had a deranged cyclist to deal with.
>
>> The driver has nothing to worry about because he hasn't done
>> anything illegal,
>
> That is the part that is yet to be determined.
>
Davo
Obviously the bus driver was a kind forgiving guy who was going to let
the illegal cyclist go without being reported.
Claude
"Davo" <Da...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> terryc wrote:
>>
>> That is the part that is yet to be determined.
>>
> No one has claimed he has done anything illegal.
Not publicly anyway. Presumably the cyclist will have something to say
about the driver of the bus in due course.
TimC
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
Well, looking at the video, you can see he cut the bicycle off when
there was absolutely no need to given there was an otherwise empty
lane he could have safely overtaken on with plenty of room, and he
obviously upset the cyclist enough.
As much as the cyclist was in the wrong, there was absolutely no need
to make him feel like his life was endangered enough to piss him off
to that extent.
As much as anyone may be in the wrong, you *never* intentionally put
anyone's life at risk. The sound was slightly cut off in the police
video, but it sounded the the driver intentionally tried to give the
cyclist a fright and would do so more next time. That driver should
not be allowed to drive a 1.5tonne vehicle, let alone a bus.
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terryc
> Obviously the bus driver was a kind forgiving guy who was going to let
> the illegal cyclist go without being reported.
What I don't understand is that if they have a real problem with
bicyclists on this T-Way, why they don't hit the radio instantly and get
police out there to deal with them.
Probably because they just don't have enough police on the ground or they
are doing useless jobs like "transport", although this was the early
hours.
terryc
> terryc wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:25:57 +0900, Davo wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The fact is the cyclist clambered onto the bus and assaulted the
>>> driver.
>>
>> Apparently after breaking the driver side mirror at the bus stop prior.
>> Hmm, why didn't the bus driver radio or phone in instantly this road
>> rage event?
> That's a third crime the cyclist committed. Obviously the bus driver
> didn't radio ahead because he had a deranged cyclist to deal with.
Umm, if he really broke his mirror, them his bus was probably unsafe to
drive and he should have dealt with this immediately/next stop.
The video shows the bicycle ride calmly waiting for the women to be
served them walking up to the bus driver. Hardly deranged.
>>
>>> The driver has nothing to worry about because he hasn't done anything
>>> illegal,
>>
>> That is the part that is yet to be determined.
>>
> No one has claimed he has done anything illegal.
The claims being made are not being made by anyone in a neutral position.
From what I've read and sean, the bicyclist (illegal or not) was clearly
cut off by the bus unnecessarily and then calmly entered the bus to talk
to the drive. We do not know what happened next.
Claude
"TimC" <tcon...@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote in message
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>
> Well, looking at the video, you can see he cut the bicycle off when
> there was absolutely no need to given there was an otherwise empty
> lane he could have safely overtaken on with plenty of room, and he
> obviously upset the cyclist enough.
>
> As much as the cyclist was in the wrong, there was absolutely no need
> to make him feel like his life was endangered enough to piss him off
> to that extent.
>
> As much as anyone may be in the wrong, you *never* intentionally put
> anyone's life at risk. The sound was slightly cut off in the police
> video, but it sounded the the driver intentionally tried to give the
> cyclist a fright and would do so more next time. That driver should
> not be allowed to drive a 1.5tonne vehicle, let alone a bus.
>
Agree. In the overall scheme of things the cyclist's offence was trivial
whereas if the bus driver really did cut him off, the offence would verge
on the criminal. The cyclist has my sympathy. I've commonly sworn loudly
at drivers that I felt endangered my life and even chased the odd one down
and confronted them (although I've never touched a driver or their car).
People who don't cycle regularly on the road don't quite get how vulnerable
you feel and how aggressive many drivers are.
Rob
Didn't they make all cycle lanes into transit lanes for buses?
F Murtz
other roads for buses only (which rarely has any traffic on it)(as can
be seen in the video shown on news)
Rob
OK thanks
Peter
Yep, looks like he had plenty of room. That cyclist looks like he needs
a bit of therapy or a good dose of HTFU.
Peter
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
>
> A CYCLIST illegally riding on a T-Way lane in Sydney followed a bus,
> boarded the vehicle at a bus stop and then bashed the 64-year-old driver.
>
> Police are investigating the incident, which took place at, Seven Hills in
> Sydney's north on the North West Transitway at about 5.05am (AEDT) on
> Friday morning.
>
> They are searching for the cyclist.
>
> Police said the driver overtook the cyclist, who then pulled up alongside
> the bus at the next set of lights, banged on the bus window and broke the
> driver's mirror.
>
> "At the next bus stop the rider entered the bus and allegedly assaulted
> the driver," a police spokesman said.
>
> It is the latest in a series of violent incidents between drivers and
> cyclists, who are illegally using the T-Way.
>
> The RTA has acknowledged that illegal cycling on the T-Way is rife, saying
> it was in the process of installing 61 "no bicycle signs" along the North
> West Transitway, in addition to signs already in place.
>
> Motorists caught on camera using the purpose-built bus lanes, which begin
> at Parramatta in the city's west, are fined $220 each but the RTA has no
> way of tracking down cyclists.
>
> The cyclist was caught on CC-TV wearing a blue helmet and bike clothing
> and is described as white/European in his 30s and about 178cm tall.
>
> Transport Workers Union spokesman Darcy Waller said the cyclist "got all
> upset because the bus overtook him" on a road he shouldn't be using.
>
> "He was dressed like Cadel Evans and still wearing his helmet as he pushed
> past a woman and started throwing punches at this driver."
>
> The RTA said it would be "taking part in discussions" with Hillsbus and
> union delegates in the next fortnight in a bid to stamp out the cycling
> problem.
What's Mark Latham up to these days?
Claude
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Hang on, it's a two lane road and yet the cyclist has been forced onto the
white line with just a foot or so of room before the bitumen runs out. The
camera makes it look milder than it is - a giant roaring bus is pretty scary
at such close quarters when you're on a bike. Why would any reasonable
person drive that close to a cyclist when they didn't need to? And in any
event we still don't know what happened immediately beforehand.
Claude
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Now it seems that the cyclist may have been overtaken by the bus twice, so
if that's the case we can't be sure which overtake was shown in the footage
terryc
> Now it seems that the cyclist may have been overtaken by the bus twice,
> so if that's the case we can't be sure which overtake was shown in the
> footage
Where did that come from?
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/wanker/society-and-culture/roads-are-for-cars-
Oh, why didn't you mention it was an article by the brainless moron
Miranda Devine.
Claude
"terryc" <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> http://www.smh.com.au/wanker/society-and-culture/roads-are-for-cars-
>
> Oh, why didn't you mention it was an article by the brainless moron
> Miranda Devine.
What I linked to was a video of a news story, not to Miranda Devine. They
were on the same page
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> <"Dr.> wrote:
>
> What's Mark Latham up to these days?
Still bagging labour.
Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF
> "Peter" <p5...@REMOVE.THIS.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1j8c67g.19wtn5zdzsuyoN%p5...@REMOVE.THIS.yahoo.com.au...
>> terryc <newsnine...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:41:18 +0000, Claude wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Dr. Sir John Howard, AC, WSCMoF" <""support\"@domainnames.com.au .">
>>>> wrote in message news:02f44610$0$1273$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26258174-2,00.html
>>> The video is out
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxrL-cTbwm8
>>>
>>> Now, who is going to eat humble pie.
>> Yep, looks like he had plenty of room. That cyclist looks like he needs
>> a bit of therapy or a good dose of HTFU.
>
> Hang on, it's a two lane road
Er ... no its not. Look closely at the signs on the lanes in this link -
But there's a problem here.
Click on "Satellite" in the top right and then select "Show labels". The bus
lanes don't start until the road becomes the M2. The original article says the
incident happened on the T-way at Seven Hills. Seven Hills is further on to the
west.
The bus lanes end here -
After that it eventually becomes the M7 to the north of Seven Hills.
F Murtz
Tomasso
She ain't no brainless moron. She knows exactly what she's doing and which
brainless morons she is arousing.
Unfortunately her entire contribution to this country is the arousal of certain
kinds of brainless morons.
For a laugh: http://mirandadevine.com/.
Tomasso.
terryc
>> Oh, why didn't you mention it was an article by the brainless moron
>> Miranda Devine.
>
> She ain't no brainless moron. She knows exactly what she's doing and
> which brainless morons she is arousing.
>
> Unfortunately her entire contribution to this country is the arousal of
> certain kinds of brainless morons.
That says it all.