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Ben Sandilands having a go at Qantas management again...
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DC
Jan 5, 2012, 4:55:46 AM1/5/12
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"Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qantas-and-the-battle-for-the-public-ear/
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qantas-and-the-battle-for-the-public-ear/
Rob
Jan 5, 2012, 5:26:20 PM1/5/12
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On 5/01/2012 8:55 PM, DC wrote:
> "Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
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> http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qantas-and-the-battle-for-the-public-ear/
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Some interesting stuff amongst it.
> "Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
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> http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qantas-and-the-battle-for-the-public-ear/
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>
QANTAS is trying to break the old pay structure.
Marts
Jan 6, 2012, 3:03:29 AM1/6/12
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DC wrote...
> "Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
Interesting article, from what I can understand of it.
On paper, Joyce looks to be a smart cookie. But if what Sandilands is saying is
accurate, you gotta wonder...
> "Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
On paper, Joyce looks to be a smart cookie. But if what Sandilands is saying is
accurate, you gotta wonder...
DC
Jan 6, 2012, 11:06:03 AM1/6/12
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Marts said the following on 6/01/2012 4:03 PM:
Qantas, at least according to the article, are now living with the
consequences of that decision.
> Interesting article, from what I can understand of it.
>
> On paper, Joyce looks to be a smart cookie. But if what Sandilands is saying is
> accurate, you gotta wonder...
I think the decision to not buy the B777 was made back in Dixon's time.
>
> On paper, Joyce looks to be a smart cookie. But if what Sandilands is saying is
> accurate, you gotta wonder...
Qantas, at least according to the article, are now living with the
consequences of that decision.
Rob
Jan 6, 2012, 3:12:59 PM1/6/12
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Rob
Jan 6, 2012, 3:14:13 PM1/6/12
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Gordon Levi
Jan 7, 2012, 9:05:28 AM1/7/12
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DC <us...@nospam.net> wrote:
>"Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
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>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qantas-and-the-battle-for-the-public-ear/
It might be just another conspiracy theory but this and everything
>"Pilot losses at Qantas and the battle for the public ear"
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>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qantas-and-the-battle-for-the-public-ear/
else Joyce does gives credence to the theory that Joyce is trying to
lower the price of Qantas shares to the point that an Airline Partners
takeover will succeed next time.
Petzl
Jan 7, 2012, 5:11:29 PM1/7/12
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profitability up either?
BigCharts.Com graph of QANTAS not looking good
http://tinyurl.com/7jur4zf
--
Petzl
Those magnificent men in their flying machines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPgS26ZhqZs
PhilC
Jan 8, 2012, 6:27:53 PM1/8/12
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On Jan 8, 6:11 am, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:05:28 +1100, Gordon Levi
>
> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
> >>http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2012/01/04/pilot-losses-at-qa...
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 01:05:28 +1100, Gordon Levi
>
> <gor...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> >It might be just another conspiracy theory but this and everything
> >else Joyce does gives credence to the theory that Joyce is trying to
> >lower the price of Qantas shares to the point that an Airline Partners
> >takeover will succeed next time.
>
> Don't look to me like Joyce has a clue on how to drive QANTAS
> profitability up either?
> BigCharts.Com graph of QANTAS not looking goodhttp://tinyurl.com/7jur4zf
> >It might be just another conspiracy theory but this and everything
> >else Joyce does gives credence to the theory that Joyce is trying to
> >lower the price of Qantas shares to the point that an Airline Partners
> >takeover will succeed next time.
>
> Don't look to me like Joyce has a clue on how to drive QANTAS
> profitability up either?
> --
> Petzl
> Those magnificent men in their flying machineshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPgS26ZhqZs
Oi Pretzel . Damn good link that . Market watch is one of my
> Petzl
> Those magnificent men in their flying machineshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPgS26ZhqZs
favourites when used for fiscal crystal ball gazing .
I am not sure that young Mr Joyce is actually clueless in the airline
running business .
My difficulty however,is trying to figure out his agenda .I am sure he
has one but what exactly it is and the end result escapes me .
That said (and with my fiscal and commerce hat on) All airlines and
Qantas in particular need to keep an eye on reserves ,coming fuel hike
and other expenses (such as when carbon tax type issues begin to
bite ) Look at China's reaction to the fees imposed by EU fees
China being the growth cash cow or hope of aircraft manufacturers .
Dixon has a lot to answer for and although no great fan of Joyce s
lack of transparency the poor little bugger inherited a poisoned
chalice to an extent .
This compounded by having to stick with an aged and somewhat tired
and tatty fleet because of late delivery of new hulls . Incidents
that made it easy for the press to engage in Qantas bashing and a PR
department that in my opinion could not organise a fart in a dysentery
ward . Market share drops (in part) because of that .
Re your link read in conjunction and compared to other airlines (not
at the end of long routes and with greater markets from which to
draw) it is not as bad as you may at first perceive relative to the
industry world wide. That said a LOT of work and fence mending with
employees and public *is* required
But again I am compelled to suggest that the overseas division should
revert to Government ownership for reasons previously suggested a wee
while back .
Regards
Philc
Petzl
Jan 9, 2012, 6:12:40 PM1/9/12
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:27:53 -0800 (PST), PhilC
<phil048...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
http://tinyurl.com/6pq2kre
I had a look at Lufthansa which is not hostile to high standards of
engineering and piloting, not unwilling to maximize its opportunities
because of its other fixations, nor prone to misleading the public
about the competitive environment in which it finds itself. Lufthansa
while not ramping ahead is not going backwards and pays dividend.
QANTAS's problem seems to me to be it's CEO
http://www.joc.com/air-expedited/lufthansa-eyes-1-billion-plus-2010-profit
You think Joyce's plan is to force the Government to nationalize it?
The Government are already the main corporate users and supporters of
Qantas, Joyce looked like losing that support as well after his last
antic. Might still do!
Don't see Qantas yet gaining patronage in Australia or anywhere else
for that matter.
<phil048...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
http://tinyurl.com/6pq2kre
>> Don't look to me like Joyce has a clue on how to drive QANTAS
>> profitability up either?
>> BigCharts.Com graph of QANTAS not looking good
< http://tinyurl.com/7jur4zf >
>
>> profitability up either?
>> BigCharts.Com graph of QANTAS not looking good
< http://tinyurl.com/7jur4zf >
>
engineering and piloting, not unwilling to maximize its opportunities
because of its other fixations, nor prone to misleading the public
about the competitive environment in which it finds itself. Lufthansa
while not ramping ahead is not going backwards and pays dividend.
QANTAS's problem seems to me to be it's CEO
http://www.joc.com/air-expedited/lufthansa-eyes-1-billion-plus-2010-profit
You think Joyce's plan is to force the Government to nationalize it?
The Government are already the main corporate users and supporters of
Qantas, Joyce looked like losing that support as well after his last
antic. Might still do!
Don't see Qantas yet gaining patronage in Australia or anywhere else
for that matter.
Tudor5
Jan 9, 2012, 10:15:34 PM1/9/12
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On Jan 10, 7:12 am, Petzl <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:27:53 -0800 (PST), PhilC
>
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:27:53 -0800 (PST), PhilC
>
>
> You think Joyce's plan is to force the Government to nationalize it?
>
> The Government are already the main corporate users and supporters of
> Qantas, Joyce looked like losing that support as well after his last
> antic. Might still do!
> Don't see Qantas yet gaining patronage in Australia or anywhere else
> for that matter.
> --
> Petzl
> Those magnificent men in their flying machineshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPgS26ZhqZs
Fair enough
> You think Joyce's plan is to force the Government to nationalize it?
>
> The Government are already the main corporate users and supporters of
> Qantas, Joyce looked like losing that support as well after his last
> antic. Might still do!
> Don't see Qantas yet gaining patronage in Australia or anywhere else
> for that matter.
> --
> Petzl
> Those magnificent men in their flying machineshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPgS26ZhqZs
"German aviation group Deutsche Lufthansa AG (DLAKY.PK:
News ,DLAKF.PK: News ) said its passenger load-factor for the month of
November dropped 2 percentage points to 73.7% from the same month last
year.
The company reported a 4.6 percent increase in passengers flown in
November to 8.18 million from the year-ago month.
The group's total traffic in terms of revenue seat-kilometers was
15.72 billion in November 2011, up 3.4 percent from November 2010.
Lufthansa's total capacity, which is measured as available seat-
kilometers, grew 6.2 percent for the month to 21.34 billion. "
However ,it is bleeding red ink in its cargo ops and now has bags of
over capacity and staff cuts are said to be on the way .
Lets not lose sight of the bigger picture and fiscal pressures on
way in 2012 - in basic terms a sh*t storm is on the way
especially with enviro taxes kick in in a wee while .
Dont forget Qantas & Death star had a half decent report last
year also .
have a look at how the Kiwis have reinvented themselves :) Some
lessons there perhaps for us here in oz
Petzl
Jan 10, 2012, 7:27:01 AM1/10/12
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2012 19:15:34 -0800 (PST), Tudor5 <spaml...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>have a look at how the Kiwis have reinvented themselves :) Some
>lessons there perhaps for us here in oz
Isn't Air NZ nationalized?
Any air carrier is under threat and to get a decent CEO is not easy or
instant. Just wonder what Joyces credentials are? He is living with a
Kiwi fruit I suppose? This is not translating into a turn around for
Qantas. I never understood the Jetstar renaming or morphing?
wrote:
>have a look at how the Kiwis have reinvented themselves :) Some
>lessons there perhaps for us here in oz
Any air carrier is under threat and to get a decent CEO is not easy or
instant. Just wonder what Joyces credentials are? He is living with a
Kiwi fruit I suppose? This is not translating into a turn around for
Qantas. I never understood the Jetstar renaming or morphing?
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