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ivy_mike

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Jan 17, 2004, 11:36:10 AM1/17/04
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A pretty rare event--me watching TV--last night tuned
me into the Jackson saga (briefly). It seems the tack is
to bus in hordes of his dopey fans to the courthouse, and
invite them to his little playground for fun and games, so
as to, I guess, give the impression of great public support;
not a very original idea for those who can afford it.

I think Jackson and his handlers believe he'll moonwalk
his way right out of his predicament...and maybe he will.

--
Regards, IM

otter

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Jan 17, 2004, 2:09:31 PM1/17/04
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in article 13077cb5.04011...@posting.google.com, ivy_mike at
ivy_...@my-deja.com wrote on 1/17/04 9:36 AM:

MJ is acting like he believes it too. I certainly hope that if he is truly
guilty, he will have to serve time.

Zazzy

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Jan 18, 2004, 12:33:37 PM1/18/04
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> MJ is acting like he believes it too. I certainly hope that if he is truly
> guilty, he will have to serve time.


If he's guilty let's hope they can prove it. If he's innocent they
better be able to prove it and then let's have no more pedo-jokes and
graphic details in ordinary newspapers!

Volfie

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Jan 18, 2004, 12:59:22 PM1/18/04
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"Zazzy" <Za...@mtve.com> wrote in message
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> > MJ is acting like he believes it too. I certainly hope that if he is
truly
> > guilty, he will have to serve time.
>
>
> If he's guilty let's hope they can prove it. If he's innocent they
> better be able to prove it

The defendant does not have to prove innocence. Of course, it's nice if
they can do so, but they are under no obligation to do it. The prosecution
has to prove their case of the perp walks free.

Giselle (oh, sorry, "alleged" perp)


kstahl

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Jan 18, 2004, 2:34:40 PM1/18/04
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Volfie wrote:
> "Zazzy" <Za...@mtve.com> wrote in message
>>If he's guilty let's hope they can prove it. If he's innocent they
>>better be able to prove it
>
>
> The defendant does not have to prove innocence. Of course, it's nice if
> they can do so, but they are under no obligation to do it. The prosecution
> has to prove their case of the perp walks free.

Actually, it goes even further then that. The jury must believe
that the prosecution has proven the guilt. The prosecution may
have substantial evidence, but if the jury decides to find the
defendant not guilty then there isn't much more that can be done
unless the prosecution appeals and there are probably some
limitations on whether they can do that in many cases.

CliffB

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Jan 18, 2004, 4:00:14 PM1/18/04
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in article 13077cb5.04011...@posting.google.com, ivy_mike at
ivy_...@my-deja.com wrote on 1/17/04 11:36 AM:


Ellis Henican had a humorous article yesterday on Jackson's antics. He
wondered whether Jacko will be moonwalking himself right into prison


Is Michael Jackson Losing His Mind?


January 17, 2004, 7:48 PM EST


Maybe he's laying groundwork for an insanity defense.

Or maybe he's actually starting to believe his own delusional hype ‹ that
his sadly twisted life is perfectly normal, man-boy slumber parties and all.

Otherwise, it's hard to understand what Michael Jackson could possibly have
been thinking on Friday when he came out of the courthouse in Santa Maria,
Calif., climbed on top of a black SUV and performed that preening star turn
for a throng of frenzied fans.

It was half Liza Minelli, half Fred Astaire ‹ and about the dumbest thing a
criminal defendant has ever done while television cameras rolled.

Are you crazy, Michael?

Wait! Don't answer that!

Every time the Wacked One appears in public, he manages to alienate a few
more of the people he will eventually need. This time, it was the judge and
whichever prospective jury members have TV sets in their homes.

He showed up 20 minutes late for his own arraignment, producing a stern
admonition from Judge Rodney Melville. "Mr. Jackson, you have started out on
the wrong foot with me," the judge harrumphed.

Then, the most famous child-molestation defendant in the history of American
jurisprudence interrupted the proceeding so he and his brother Jermaine
could take a bathroom break. The judge didn't sound too charmed by that
either. In the future, the Weak-Bladdered One should "regulate his liquid
intake," the judge suggested helpfully.

But none of that was half as ill-conceived as what came after the 90-minute
hearing let out. That's when the pasty-faced Jackson, in black suit, white
shirt and white-silk armband, pushed through the rabble outside and climbed
on top of the car ‹ waving, grinning, pointing, saluting, blowing kisses and
shuffling through several exuberant dance steps to the loud delight of his
fans. His personal videographer was up there with him, capturing Michael's
every move.

And why let the fun stop there, even if this was arraignment day in a
serious felony case?

Jacko's Nation of Islam security guards were passing out invitations to a
post-arraignment bash back at Neverland. The invite promised a party "in the
spirit of love and forgiveness."

No word on who was loving or forgiving whom.

Well, say this much: It's a good thing Michael has now made friends in the
well-connected Nation. He might need their help ‹ after he moonwalks his way
into prison.

As the live pictures from this bizarre event came in from California, I
happened to be sitting in the green room at the Fox News Channel on Sixth
Avenue. The famed defense lawyer Mickey Sherman was also there. Mickey knows
a thing or two about high-profile criminal defendants, having represented
Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel, among other well-heeled alleged perps.

Mickey was shaking his head at this good-news-bad-news scene, painful for
any experienced lawyer to watch.

"You have a multimillionaire client who might well be innocent," he sighed.
"Unfortunately, he is dancing on top of his car and having a party after his
arraignment."

Ughh!

Often, this really isn't the lawyer's fault. The best advice in the world is
worthless, if the client won't follow it.

"The more affluent your client is, the more difficult it can be to control
him," Mickey said. "These people figure they can buy and sell a lawyer at a
moment's notice. They figure they're a lot smarter than you are. You are
just there to get them off."

And sometimes, these big-dollar clients have trouble remembering who's
really on their side. "They'll see the lawyer as just another part of the
misery process ‹ the cops, the courts, the judge. And now they've gotta pay
a lawyer, too. It is just part of the machinery that is making them
miserable."

Does Michael Jackson appreciate the gravity of the charges against him? Does
he care?

Well, he wasn't acting like it on Friday. And that could come back and haunt
him.

After all, a teenage boy has alleged that Michael plied him with alcohol and
took sexual liberties with him. The charges carry a possible sentence of
nearly 20 years in prison. A jury will ultimately decide.

Benjamin Brafman and Mark Geragos are experienced defense attorneys. They
just have a client who is nearly impossible to control.

"Even if he won the case and the real molester came forward and confessed ‹
even then, you don't take delight in this process," Mickey Sherman said, as
the pictures kept rolling in from California. "It's offensive to the judge,
to the prosecutor, to the public and to victims of all crimes. This is not a
time for celebrating, no matter what happens in court. It is a time for
seriously facing charges and being as humble as you can."

Next dance?

ivy_mike

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Jan 19, 2004, 9:07:23 AM1/19/04
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otter <ot...@oceanside.com> wrote in message news:<BC2EC89E.B97B%ot...@oceanside.com>...

>
> MJ is acting like he believes it too. I certainly hope that if he is truly
> guilty, he will have to serve time.

But do you think, if convicted, that he'd serve time in the same
setting you or I would?

--
Regards, IM

Volfie

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Jan 19, 2004, 9:47:44 AM1/19/04
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"ivy_mike" <ivy_...@my-deja.com> wrote

> But do you think, if convicted, that he'd serve time in the same
> setting you or I would?

Supposedly. No local jail for felons. He'd have to go to a prison. Now
they might keep him seperated in the prison (if they didn't it would be a
really short sentence, I suspect) but that remains to be seen.

Giselle (betting that he's going to get little jail time, a lot of
probation/public service and have to undergo psychological counceling, etc.,
IF, of course, he gets convicted.)


edonline

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Jan 19, 2004, 10:04:04 AM1/19/04
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"Volfie" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
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Maybe they'll let him do a charity song (like the one he was supposed to do
for 9/11) instead of jail time. The way the laws of justice seem to work
sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised.


TheNIGHTCRAWLER

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Jan 20, 2004, 2:18:37 AM1/20/04
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ivy_...@my-deja.com (ivy_mike) wrote:


I think he's getting the last of his "star" value used to promote some
Bushee ideal. Do I think he went out and raped some kids? I've never
admitted to stupidity. He loves the innocence of a child and wants to
stay a child on a sleepover in the neighbors treehouse or neverland.

A modern day Peter Pan.

http://www.literature.org/authors/barrie-james-matthew/the-adventures-of-peter-pan/
http://www.gosh.org/about_us/peterpan/copyright.html
I can be a bitch about copyright.

"I want to hold them and touch them and squeeze them" Snap go the
cuffs.

I think Peter Pan's mind is NOT in a "wrong" place. It just might not
be in societies "right" place at this moment in time.

TheNIGHTCRAWLER
(I'd say that at this point, more damage has been done in prosecuting
this case than hugging daddy. IMO NG. and for once it doesn't mean
NewsGroup. Unless hugging is against the law.)

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