Faith is a terrible decision-making technique
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Dear Editor: In the article “Students share thoughts after controversial speech” Todd Finkelmeyer writes: “Rashid Dar, president of UW-Madison’s Muslim Student Association ... expressed concerns to local media that the speech would attribute negative qualities to the Islamic faith.” It is my fondest hope and desire that everybody will arrive at exactly this conclusion, not only about the Islamic faith in particular but about faith in general, specifically including the Christian faith. Faith is the world’s worst decision-making technique. It’s like dividing by zero in math: Once you allow decisions to be made in the utter absence of supporting evidence -- and frequently in the face of evidence to the contrary -- you can basically “prove” anything you want. Thus faith is utterly, utterly useless to real people living in the real world. It’s a complete waste of time and leads to terrible decisions. Ambrose Bierce called it right when he defined “faith,” in his “Devil’s Dictionary,” as “belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge of things without parallel.” Nobody ever cites faith as a justification for a belief when some more reliable decision-making technique -- such as logic, reason, trust or confidence -- is available. It’s only trotted out when what you desperately want to believe falls under Archie Bunker’s description: “Don’t ya know what faith is? Faith is when you believe somethin’ that nobody in their right mind would believe!” Faith sucks. Everybody should give it up. Richard S. Russell
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Neil Kelsey
<neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>> And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
> And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
Read the article again, more carefully this time.
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:21 AM, <LLP...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > **
> > Richard Russell | Posted: Friday, February 5, 2010
>
> > Dear Editor: In the article “Students share thoughts after controversial
> > speech”<http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/art...>Todd Finkelmeyer writes: “Rashid Dar, president of UW-Madison’s Muslim
> > Student Association ... expressed concerns to local media that the speech
> > would attribute negative qualities to the Islamic faith.”
>
> > It is my fondest hope and desire that everybody will arrive at exactly this
> > conclusion, not only about the Islamic faith in particular but about faith
> > in general, specifically including the Christian faith.
>
> > Faith is the world’s worst decision-making technique. It’s like dividing by
> > zero in math: Once you allow decisions to be made in the utter absence of
> > supporting evidence -- and frequently in the face of evidence to the
> > contrary -- you can basically “prove” anything you want. Thus faith is
> > utterly, utterly useless to real people living in the real world. It’s a
> > complete waste of time and leads to terrible decisions.
>
> > Ambrose Bierce called it right when he defined “faith,” in his “Devil’s
> > Dictionary,” as “belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
> > without knowledge of things without parallel.”
>
> > Nobody ever cites faith as a justification for a belief when some more
> > reliable decision-making technique -- such as logic, reason, trust or
> > confidence -- is available. It’s only trotted out when what you desperately
> > want to believe falls under Archie Bunker’s description: “Don’t ya know what
> > faith is? Faith is when you believe somethin’ that nobody in their right
> > mind would believe!”
>
> > Faith sucks. Everybody should give it up.
>
> > *Richard S. Russell*
>
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>
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Sebastian
<meznaric@gmail.com>are you?
Or maybe I misunderstood what you are trying to say because to me it
seems totally unrelated to what LL posted. She is criticising islam as
much as she is criticising christianity.
On Feb 9, 2:56 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
> And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:21 AM, <LLP...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > **
> > Richard Russell | Posted: Friday, February 5, 2010
>
> > Dear Editor: In the article “Students share thoughts after controversial
> > speech”<http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/art...>Todd Finkelmeyer writes: “Rashid Dar, president of UW-Madison’s Muslim
> > Student Association ... expressed concerns to local media that the speech
> > would attribute negative qualities to the Islamic faith.”
>
> > It is my fondest hope and desire that everybody will arrive at exactly this
> > conclusion, not only about the Islamic faith in particular but about faith
> > in general, specifically including the Christian faith.
>
> > Faith is the world’s worst decision-making technique. It’s like dividing by
> > zero in math: Once you allow decisions to be made in the utter absence of
> > supporting evidence -- and frequently in the face of evidence to the
> > contrary -- you can basically “prove” anything you want. Thus faith is
> > utterly, utterly useless to real people living in the real world. It’s a
> > complete waste of time and leads to terrible decisions.
>
> > Ambrose Bierce called it right when he defined “faith,” in his “Devil’s
> > Dictionary,” as “belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
> > without knowledge of things without parallel.”
>
> > Nobody ever cites faith as a justification for a belief when some more
> > reliable decision-making technique -- such as logic, reason, trust or
> > confidence -- is available. It’s only trotted out when what you desperately
> > want to believe falls under Archie Bunker’s description: “Don’t ya know what
> > faith is? Faith is when you believe somethin’ that nobody in their right
> > mind would believe!”
>
> > Faith sucks. Everybody should give it up.
>
> > *Richard S. Russell*
>
> > *
>
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Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>On 9 Feb, 14:56, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
> And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
Probably something about abraham and moses...it being the same god as
yours.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:21 AM, <LLP...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > **
> > Richard Russell | Posted: Friday, February 5, 2010
>
> > Dear Editor: In the article “Students share thoughts after controversial
> > speech”<http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/art...>Todd Finkelmeyer writes: “Rashid Dar, president of UW-Madison’s Muslim
> > Student Association ... expressed concerns to local media that the speech
> > would attribute negative qualities to the Islamic faith.”
>
> > It is my fondest hope and desire that everybody will arrive at exactly this
> > conclusion, not only about the Islamic faith in particular but about faith
> > in general, specifically including the Christian faith.
>
> > Faith is the world’s worst decision-making technique. It’s like dividing by
> > zero in math: Once you allow decisions to be made in the utter absence of
> > supporting evidence -- and frequently in the face of evidence to the
> > contrary -- you can basically “prove” anything you want. Thus faith is
> > utterly, utterly useless to real people living in the real world. It’s a
> > complete waste of time and leads to terrible decisions.
>
> > Ambrose Bierce called it right when he defined “faith,” in his “Devil’s
> > Dictionary,” as “belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
> > without knowledge of things without parallel.”
>
> > Nobody ever cites faith as a justification for a belief when some more
> > reliable decision-making technique -- such as logic, reason, trust or
> > confidence -- is available. It’s only trotted out when what you desperately
> > want to believe falls under Archie Bunker’s description: “Don’t ya know what
> > faith is? Faith is when you believe somethin’ that nobody in their right
> > mind would believe!”
>
> > Faith sucks. Everybody should give it up.
>
> > *Richard S. Russell*
>
> > *
>
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Simon Ewins
<sjewins@gmail.com>> And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
> And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
How about:
Ring around the Rosy
Pocket full of Posy
Ashes, Ashes,
We all Fall Down
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not
prove anything." - Nietzsche
"There's more to the truth than just the facts."
[Author Unknown]
thea
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On 9 Feb, 14:56, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
> And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
Probably something about abraham and moses...it being the same god as
yours.
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<thea.nob4@gmail.com>[thea]How about:
And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
Ring around the Rosy
Pocket full of Posy
Ashes, Ashes,
We all Fall Down
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Nietzsche
"There's more to the truth than just the facts."
[Author Unknown]
Simon Ewins
<sjewins@gmail.com>> We are already there -- we have all sinned and come short of the glory
> of the God and Father of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
Not me.
> There are no two ways to heaven -- their is one way and it is a narrow
> way and few there be that seem to find it,
> Because it is all wrapped up in Who Jesus Said He Is -- God's Son.
Jesus doesn't matter.
Revelation 20:13 � �The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave
up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.�
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not
prove anything." - Nietzsche
"If you think you're free, there's no escape possible."
[Ram Dass]
Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>Who do you think the "jesus", "son of mary" mentioned being crucified
and taken up into heaven having not died, who will return at the time
of judgement, is then?
Qur'an 4:155-159
That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false
charge.
That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of
Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him
but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are
full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to
follow for of a surety they killed him not.
Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power
Wise.
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him
before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness
against them.
how about this jesus?
Qur'an 5:112-115
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of
Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour) but follow ye Me:
this is a Straight Way.
How about this jesus who divided israel between those that believed in
god and those that didnt, and gave power to those that did?
Qur'an 61:14 Surah As-Saff (The Ranks)
O ye who believe! be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of
Mary to the Disciples "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?"
Said the Disciples "We are Allah's helpers!" Then a portion of the
Children of Israel believed and a portion disbelieved: but We gave
power to those who believed against their enemies and they became the
ones that prevailed.
any of this seem familiar to you?
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thea
<thea.nob4@gmail.com>[thea]Not me.
We are already there -- we have all sinned and come short of the glory
of the God and Father of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
There are no two ways to heaven -- their is one way and it is a narrow
way and few there be that seem to find it,
Because it is all wrapped up in Who Jesus Said He Is -- God's Son.
Jesus doesn't matter.
Revelation 20:13 – “The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.”
"If you think you're free, there's no escape possible."
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Nietzsche
[Ram Dass]
Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>On 10 Feb, 15:37, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [thea]
>
> > We are already there -- we have all sinned and come short of the glory
> >> of the God and Father of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
>
> > Not me.
>
> The only way you would not be included is if you were not a human being --
> so then what are you?
>
>
>
> > There are no two ways to heaven -- their is one way and it is a narrow
> >> way and few there be that seem to find it,
> >> Because it is all wrapped up in Who Jesus Said He Is -- God's Son.
>
> > Jesus doesn't matter.
>
> Jesus is the Name of our Redeemer. Jesus is the one who bore the pain of
> the Cross of Calvary - and the darkness of hell -- to make a way so we don't
> have to experience hell.
this jesus?
Qur'an 2:135-141
"We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham
Isma'il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus
and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference
between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
>
>
>
> > Revelation 20:13 – “The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades gave up
> > their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.”
>
> Follow the number *2* in the Bible and you will discover that there are 2
> deaths, 2 judgements, and a number of other 2's.
> The judgement that I will be at -- is the Bema Seat Judgement and it comes
> way before the Great White Throne Judgement of Revelation 20. As it is in
> Thessalonians.
> And this Bema Seat Judgement is not for my punishment of my sins -- it is
> for receiving my rewards for believing that Jesus is the Son of God.
> I may get into heaven with the smell of hell's fire - but I will be in
> heaven because I accepted and say with my mouth that I believe that God
> raised Jesus from the Dead.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove
> > anything." - Nietzsche
>
> > "If you think you're free, there's no escape possible."
> > [Ram Dass]
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thea
<thea.nob4@gmail.com>thea,
Who do you think the "jesus", "son of mary" mentioned being crucified
and taken up into heaven having not died, who will return at the time
of judgement, is then?
Qur'an 4:155-159
That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false
charge.
That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of
Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him
but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are
full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to
follow for of a surety they killed him not.
Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power
Wise.
And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him
before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness
against them.
how about this jesus?
Qur'an 5:112-115
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of
Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour) but follow ye Me:
this is a Straight Way.
How about this jesus who divided israel between those that believed in
god and those that didnt, and gave power to those that did?
Qur'an 61:14 Surah As-Saff (The Ranks)
O ye who believe! be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of
Mary to the Disciples "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?"
Said the Disciples "We are Allah's helpers!" Then a portion of the
Children of Israel believed and a portion disbelieved: but We gave
power to those who believed against their enemies and they became the
ones that prevailed.
any of this seem familiar to you?
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thea
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On 10 Feb, 15:37, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Simon Ewins <sjew...@gmail.com> wrote:this jesus?
> > [thea]
>
> > We are already there -- we have all sinned and come short of the glory
> >> of the God and Father of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
>
> > Not me.
>
> The only way you would not be included is if you were not a human being --
> so then what are you?
>
>
>
> > There are no two ways to heaven -- their is one way and it is a narrow
> >> way and few there be that seem to find it,
> >> Because it is all wrapped up in Who Jesus Said He Is -- God's Son.
>
> > Jesus doesn't matter.
>
> Jesus is the Name of our Redeemer. Jesus is the one who bore the pain of
> the Cross of Calvary - and the darkness of hell -- to make a way so we don't
> have to experience hell.
Qur'an 2:135-141
"We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham
Isma'il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus
and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference
between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
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Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>On 10 Feb, 15:50, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dead Kennedy <dead.kenn...@live.co.uk>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > thea,
>
> > Who do you think the "jesus", "son of mary" mentioned being crucified
> > and taken up into heaven having not died, who will return at the time
> > of judgement, is then?
>
> > Qur'an 4:155-159
> > That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false
> > charge.
> > That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of
> > Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him
> > but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are
> > full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to
> > follow for of a surety they killed him not.
> > Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power
> > Wise.
> > And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him
> > before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness
> > against them.
>
> > how about this jesus?
>
> There are many Jesus' mentioned in many writings. However, there was only
> one Jesus Christ of Nazareth who performed miracles.
The jesus in the quaran...
His mother is mary, he had apostles, he divided the jews, he brought
the gospel and he will judge the rightious at armageddon.
are you really prepared to take the risk?
And, Isnt jesus a sun god?
characteristics of a Sun God
The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice,
when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected
on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of
Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
The sun is the "Light of the World."
The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo. Many of the sun-
gods, including Horus, Buddha and Krishna (as seen in is ascension),
are depicted with halos, hundreds to thousands of years before it
became fashionable in Christianity.
The sun "walks on water."
The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and
the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun
must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High"; thus,
"he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of
God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its
passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at
which time it is then resurrected.
all this is a coincidence?
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<sjewins@gmail.com>> The only way you would not be included is if you were not a human being
> -- so then what are you?
A human who does not sin, and has not sinned.
> Jesus doesn't matter.
>
> Jesus is the Name of our Redeemer. Jesus is the one who bore the pain
> of the Cross of Calvary - and the darkness of hell -- to make a way so
> we don't have to experience hell.
>
>
> Revelation 20:13 � �The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades
> gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.�
>
>
> Follow the number *2* in the Bible and you will discover that there are
> 2 deaths, 2 judgements, and a number of other 2's.
Follow the number 9 on the White Album and you will find revolution.
--
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about the universe." - Einstein
"When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to
everything else in the universe."
[John Muir, My First Summer in the Sierra, 1911]
Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>On 10 Feb, 15:55, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh btw,
Where did you get the idea that muslims pray to the east? Muslims pray
toward mecca, which in our western-centiric view is east but muslims
in japan pray to mecca in the west, as do all muslims east of mecca.
its got nothing to do with the sun.
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<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>that abraham, moses and jesus worshipped.
they are ALL prophets of Islam and "know so" isnt going to change
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<thea.nob4@gmail.com>Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>On 12 Feb, 14:35, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, the Muslims don't worship a god -- they worship and do what a prophet
> said to do.
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> And, in so doing - they don't know and deny that Jesus is the Son of the God
> of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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> The problem being that you can be almost right - but not have true salvation
> through the Blood of the Cross of Calvary.
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> Jesus is God's Son, and the Muslims don't worship God's Son.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/shabir.ally/new_page_24.htm
What did Jesus teach? The Qur’an tells us that Jesus came to teach
the same basic message which was taught by previous prophets from God—
that we must shun every false god and worship only the one true God.
Jesus taught that he is the servant and messenger of that one true
God, the God of Abraham. These Quranic teachings can be compared with
the Bible ( Mark 10:18; Matthew 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17)
where Jesus teaches that the one he worshipped is the only true God.
See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13, and 4:27 where we find that his
disciples knew him as Servant of God.
The Qur’an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus, and
conspired to kill him, but Allah (God) rescued Jesus and raised him to
Himself.
Allah will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus will
confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he is
and as the Qur’an teaches about him.
Jesus is the Messiah. He is a word from Allah, and a spirit from
Him. He is honoured in this world and in the hereafter, and he is one
of those brought nearest to Allah.
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> Case closed!!
not really, and 2 exclaimation marks doesnt make it so.
thea
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Walt
<wkaras@yahoo.com>your point (while largely valid), is moot.
If someone understands that logically they should follow the Golden
Rule, and also has faith that Jesus exists, rose from the dead, and
wants them to follow the Golden Rule, where is the problem in that?
On Feb 9, 1:21 am, LLP...@aol.com wrote:
> Richard Russell | Posted: Friday, February 5, 2010
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> Dear Editor: In the article _“Students share thoughts after controversial
> speech”_
> http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/mailbag/article_52ac8243-4862...
> 97b-2c93ed3d09f3.html
LL
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LL: That's going to disappoint a lot of people.;-)
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<llpens@aol.com>On Feb 12, 3:20 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Except that for the core beliefs of most or at least many theists,
> your point (while largely valid), is moot.
>
> If someone understands that logically they should follow the Golden
> Rule, and also has faith that Jesus exists, rose from the dead, and
> wants them to follow the Golden Rule, where is the problem in that?
LL: there would be no "problem" if they kept their beliefs to
themselves, but they almost never do. And they keep on trying to make
sense of them, but they fail at every turn.
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Walt
<wkaras@yahoo.com>On Feb 13, 2:07 am, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 3:20 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Except that for the core beliefs of most or at least many theists,
> > your point (while largely valid), is moot.
>
> > If someone understands that logically they should follow the Golden
> > Rule, and also has faith that Jesus exists, rose from the dead, and
> > wants them to follow the Golden Rule, where is the problem in that?
>
> LL: there would be no "problem" if they kept their beliefs to
> themselves, but they almost never do.
While it may be hard to prove quatitatively, mature, experenced,
intelligent people will invariably tell you that you should evaluate
people as individuals and keep criticism as specific as possible.
Criticize specific theists for specific beliefs. Don't condemn all
theists and all theism based on sweeping generalizations.
Neil Kelsey
<neil_kelsey@hotmail.com>On Feb 12, 10:00 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:07 am, LL <llp...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > On Feb 12, 3:20 pm, Walt <wka...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > Except that for the core beliefs of most or at least many theists,
> > > your point (while largely valid), is moot.
>
> > > If someone understands that logically they should follow the Golden
> > > Rule, and also has faith that Jesus exists, rose from the dead, and
> > > wants them to follow the Golden Rule, where is the problem in that?
>
> > LL: there would be no "problem" if they kept their beliefs to
> > themselves, but they almost never do.
>
> While it may be hard to prove quatitatively, mature, experenced,
> intelligent people will invariably tell you that you should evaluate
> people as individuals and keep criticism as specific as possible.
Poisoning the well fallacies are not a valid reason to criticize
religion in general for being a mass delusion.
> Criticize specific theists for specific beliefs. Don't condemn all
> theists and all theism based on sweeping generalizations.
What do you mean by "condemn"?
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Dead Kennedy
<dead.kennedy@live.co.uk>LOL!!
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<mayorskid@gmail.com>On Feb 9, 6:56 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And yet the Muslim's put their faith in their God!!
> And we are all supposed to bow down to the East every day -- and say what??
Observer
Nanner Nanner Nanner ! My fictitious god can beat up your fictious
god.
Nanner nanner nanner!
Fucking Christiane/zombiism, is just as utterly stupid as the other
brands thereof.
Psychonomist
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:21 AM, <LLP...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > Richard Russell | Posted: Friday, February 5, 2010
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> > Dear Editor: In the article “Students share thoughts after controversial
> > speech”<http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/education/campus_connection/art...>Todd Finkelmeyer writes: “Rashid Dar, president of UW-Madison’s Muslim
> > Student Association ... expressed concerns to local media that the speech
> > would attribute negative qualities to the Islamic faith.”
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> > It is my fondest hope and desire that everybody will arrive at exactly this
> > conclusion, not only about the Islamic faith in particular but about faith
> > in general, specifically including the Christian faith.
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> > Faith is the world’s worst decision-making technique. It’s like dividing by
> > zero in math: Once you allow decisions to be made in the utter absence of
> > supporting evidence -- and frequently in the face of evidence to the
> > contrary -- you can basically “prove” anything you want. Thus faith is
> > utterly, utterly useless to real people living in the real world. It’s a
> > complete waste of time and leads to terrible decisions.
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> > Ambrose Bierce called it right when he defined “faith,” in his “Devil’s
> > Dictionary,” as “belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks
> > without knowledge of things without parallel.”
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> > Nobody ever cites faith as a justification for a belief when some more
> > reliable decision-making technique -- such as logic, reason, trust or
> > confidence -- is available. It’s only trotted out when what you desperately
> > want to believe falls under Archie Bunker’s description: “Don’t ya know what
> > faith is? Faith is when you believe somethin’ that nobody in their right
> > mind would believe!”
>
> > Faith sucks. Everybody should give it up.
>
> > *Richard S. Russell*
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