On Apr 28, 1:09 am, Brock <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 11:50 pm, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "would you die for your religion"?
> Well, given that the truths of the bible is not "my religion" so much
> as the objective nature of reality,
Observer
Then why can you nor any one else prove it to be so?
Or to ease your irrational fear of answering questions I will
phrase such as follows.
I object to your claim that the bible is representative of objective
reality when such can not be established.
I consider the relevance of such a
> question to be questionable ... After all, its not like such an action
> would improve or augment the excellence of the gospel, or that a lack
> of such an action would diminish or reduce it. :)
Observer
Such as is represented in the so called "bible" is irrational,
superstitious and meaningless. One can scarcely reduce the value of
that which has little or none.
> I also don't share the fascination or relish with which some ponder
> the death of others, even under hypothetical circumstances.
[ quote]
(Max Planck, 1920) A new scientific truth does not triumph by
convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather
because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up
that is familiar with it.
[end quote]
Observer
Such provides great benefit to human kind.
It is in such a light that I ponder yours and that of others equally
sportive of the virtual evils and ignorance of a long dead ,and
violent past which has so negativity impacted the advancement , of
humanity from near infinite ignorance, to ever decreasing conditions
thereof.
On Apr 28, 7:39 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Ian Betts <ianbett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That it seems like you are one of this Lilly liveried Christians who want
> > the easy life.
> Or I just realize the it was Christ's death, not mine, that matters
> theologically, and gratefully accept His glorious grace! :)
Observer
Or You simply have not the intellectual acumen to differentiate
hideous superstitious filth from what is useful , informative and in
service to truly sentient creatures.
I personally prefer Thea's Christian dedication to Brock's because at least
Thea tries real hard to say why she rejected the church in favor of pure
bible teaching. She clearly believe what she learns for that book like I
follow what Jean -Paul Sartre said that man make up Gods so they have a
being to follow.
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:38 AM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Brock
> Christ died for your sins.
> Are you suggesting that my suggesting you
> "might" die for him, is "unwholesome"?
> On Apr 29, 6:42 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Stop playing the martyr
> > Stop relishing and pondering that which is unwholesome.
> > > - as you said, it's not going to
> > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > thing.
> > Nope, but some may sure relish such an unwholesome thought.
> > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > it failed.
> > Or to possibly relish as delicious very unwholesome scenarios where
> > "Brock, thea, yarrido and Chris" would have to face death.
> > > It seems to me that you fear death.
> > Or am just careful to separate the excellence of Christ's atoning
> > death for sin from that of any other.
> > Regards,
> > Brock
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Yes, I hear what you are saying. I have noticed that
Thea does consider what you say, although she comes
back with her bible passages. Brock just sprouts
doctrinal platitudes. Thea tries to communicate, but
Brock does not. There's a difference for sure.
On Apr 30, 6:36 pm, Ian Betts <ianbett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally prefer Thea's Christian dedication to Brock's because at least
> Thea tries real hard to say why she rejected the church in favor of pure
> bible teaching. She clearly believe what she learns for that book like I
> follow what Jean -Paul Sartre said that man make up Gods so they have a
> being to follow.
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:38 AM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Brock
> > Christ died for your sins.
> > Are you suggesting that my suggesting you
> > "might" die for him, is "unwholesome"?
> > On Apr 29, 6:42 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Stop playing the martyr
> > > Stop relishing and pondering that which is unwholesome.
> > > > - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > thing.
> > > Nope, but some may sure relish such an unwholesome thought.
> > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > it failed.
> > > Or to possibly relish as delicious very unwholesome scenarios where
> > > "Brock, thea, yarrido and Chris" would have to face death.
> > > > It seems to me that you fear death.
> > > Or am just careful to separate the excellence of Christ's atoning
> > > death for sin from that of any other.
> > > Regards,
> > > Brock
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> Yes, I hear what you are saying. I have noticed that
> Thea does consider what you say, although she comes
> back with her bible passages. Brock just sprouts
> doctrinal platitudes. Thea tries to communicate, but
> Brock does not. There's a difference for sure.
> On Apr 30, 6:36 pm, Ian Betts <ianbett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I personally prefer Thea's Christian dedication to Brock's because at
> least
> > Thea tries real hard to say why she rejected the church in favor of pure
> > bible teaching. She clearly believe what she learns for that book like I
> > follow what Jean -Paul Sartre said that man make up Gods so they have a
> > being to follow.
> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:38 AM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > > Brock
> > > Christ died for your sins.
> > > Are you suggesting that my suggesting you
> > > "might" die for him, is "unwholesome"?
> > > On Apr 29, 6:42 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM, philosophy <
> catswhisker...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Stop playing the martyr
> > > > Stop relishing and pondering that which is unwholesome.
> > > > > - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > > thing.
> > > > Nope, but some may sure relish such an unwholesome thought.
> > > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > > it failed.
> > > > Or to possibly relish as delicious very unwholesome scenarios where
> > > > "Brock, thea, yarrido and Chris" would have to face death.
> > > > > It seems to me that you fear death.
> > > > Or am just careful to separate the excellence of Christ's atoning
> > > > death for sin from that of any other.
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Brock
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On Apr 27, 11:50 pm, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I posted a thread on the possibility of rewording of "Suicide Bombers"
> as it seemed to have too much of a religious overtone to it, these
> days at least. I note you did not participate so I ask you, not if
> you would become a suicide bomber, but "would you die for your
> religion"?
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Thea
> You are evading the question.
> People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> The question remains
> "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> On Apr 29, 6:43 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:37 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > thing.
> > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > it failed.
> > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > persecution will happen.
> > It is a given.
> > Have watched it for many years.
> > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > hear much about it in the West.
> > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of myself,
> > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > Regards,
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On Apr 30, 6:59 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Thea
> > You are evading the question.
> > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > The question remains
> > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
> Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
> did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> > On Apr 29, 6:43 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:37 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > thing.
> > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > it failed.
> > > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > > persecution will happen.
> > > It is a given.
> > > Have watched it for many years.
> > > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > > hear much about it in the West.
> > > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of myself,
> > > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Brock
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> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Thea
> > You are evading the question.
> > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > The question remains
> > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
> Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
> did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> > On Apr 29, 6:43 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:37 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > thing.
> > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > it failed.
> > > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > > persecution will happen.
> > > It is a given.
> > > Have watched it for many years.
> > > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > > hear much about it in the West.
> > > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of myself,
> > > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Brock
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On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 6:59 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > > Thea
> > > You are evading the question.
> > > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > > The question remains
> > > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
> > Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
> > did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> LL. Then you would be committing suicide.
Being burned at a stake is not committing suicide.
And, there were many who were eaten by wild animals in
the Roman Coliseum.
> > > > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > > thing.
> > > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > > it failed.
> > > > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > > > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > > > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > > > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > > > persecution will happen.
> > > > It is a given.
> > > > Have watched it for many years.
> > > > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > > > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > > > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > > > hear much about it in the West.
> > > > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > > > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of
> myself,
> > > > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Brock
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> On Apr 30, 11:59 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > > Thea
> > > You are evading the question.
> > > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > > The question remains
> > > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
> > Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
> > did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> > > > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > > thing.
> > > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > > it failed.
> > > > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > > > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > > > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > > > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > > > persecution will happen.
> > > > It is a given.
> > > > Have watched it for many years.
> > > > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > > > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > > > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > > > hear much about it in the West.
> > > > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > > > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of
> myself,
> > > > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Brock
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Ian, you wondered about "stories of recent Christian martyrs". According to this <http://bit.ly/hHsNem> "45.5 million of the estimated 70 million Christians who have died for Christ did so in the last century." .
On May 1, 10:07 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > So, logically then you would be killing yourself
> > and the bible tells you not to kill. Do you see
> > a problem with your answer Thea?
> Many martyrs have been burned at a stake.
What proportion of these martyrs were burned by Christians?
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 6:59 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > > Thea
> > > > You are evading the question.
> > > > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > > > The question remains
> > > > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > > > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
> > > Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
> > > did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> > LL. Then you would be committing suicide.
> Being burned at a stake is not committing suicide.
> And, there were many who were eaten by wild animals in
> the Roman Coliseum.
> > > > > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > > > thing.
> > > > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > > > it failed.
> > > > > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > > > > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > > > > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > > > > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > > > > persecution will happen.
> > > > > It is a given.
> > > > > Have watched it for many years.
> > > > > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > > > > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > > > > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > > > > hear much about it in the West.
> > > > > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > > > > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > > > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of
> > myself,
> > > > > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Brock
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Thea you mentioned "there were many who were eaten by wild animals in the Roman Coliseum" and that is true. More recently, last week,16 people were shot in Nigeria while in Church as reported here <http://bit.ly/JHwSDC>. There are places in the world today where going to Church can mean death.
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Alan Wostenberg <awo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "people in the armed forces are doing a job..."? People die for
> country, for Christ, or maybe even for atheism... by "doing a job"?
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:39:41 PM UTC-6, philosophy wrote:
>> People in the armed forces are doing a job.
>> The question remains
>> "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
>> in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
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> What an utter waste of life, war is an abomination.
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Alan Wostenberg <awo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "people in the armed forces are doing a job..."? People die for
> > country, for Christ, or maybe even for atheism... by "doing a job"?
> > On Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:39:41 PM UTC-6, philosophy wrote:
> >> People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> >> The question remains
> >> "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> >> in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
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Alan you are getting emotional for no good reason.
One needs to look at war for what it is.
War is when our leaders send our people in the armed
forces out to do a job. People who join the armed
forces know that on the balance of probability that
they will be sent into a combat zone sometime in
their "career" because that's what they do. They
are also placed in Peace Keeping situations.
I disagree with war and would much prefer the old
method of picking one person to fight the war on
all our behalf's. The person I would pick would be
the politician who suggested war in the first place
in order to make the armament industry rich.
On May 2, 2:34 am, Alan Wostenberg <awo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "people in the armed forces are doing a job..."? People die for country,
> for Christ, or maybe even for atheism... by "doing a job"?
> On Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:39:41 PM UTC-6, philosophy wrote:
> > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > The question remains
> > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
On Apr 28, 3:03 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "The Lord Jesus, by his perfect obedience and sacrifice of himself,
> which he through the eternal Spirit once offered up unto God, hath
> fully satisfied the justice of his Father; and purchased not only
> reconciliation, but an everlasting inheritance in the kingdom of
> heaven, for all those whom the Father hath given unto him."
> http://reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/ch_VIII.html
> He suffered the torments and penalty for sin, so that believers
> wouldn't have to! Hallelujah, what a Savior! :)
"Why have you forsaken me" seems to give the impression that he didn't
have a clue why God wasn't rescuing him. If so, he suffered for the
same reason that all people crucified by the Romans suffered, the
reason being that the Romans gave them no choice to not suffer.
Ian, sometimes "war is an abomination". War is ugly, but not the ugliest thing.
*“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” -John Stuart Mill*
The American revolution was like any other revolution, it was that
one ideology rose up against another in the same country. Therefore
often brother against brother. War is when troops are sent to fight outside
their own borders against a believe foe.
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Alan Wostenberg <awo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Phil, you say "War is when our leaders send our people in the armed forces
> out to do a job.". Is that how you see the American Revolution?
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> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 6:59 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 7:39 PM, philosophy <catswhisker...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > > Thea
> > > > You are evading the question.
> > > > People in the armed forces are doing a job.
> > > > The question remains
> > > > "Would you die for your belief in Christ and
> > > > in God and in the Holy Spirit"?
> > > Before I would say that God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
> > > did not Exist - the answer is Yes.
> > LL. Then you would be committing suicide.
> Being burned at a stake is not committing suicide.
LL. It depends on whether you could have avoided it, even by lying.
Lying is much less of a sin than suicide, and you'd live long enough
to repent and be forgiven. There is a tremendpus amount of foolish
pride in allowing yourself to be killed because you won't do the one
thing you could to save yourself. Pride is a deadly sin. I suppose
you would have told the Nazis where Jews were hiding in order to avoid
telling a lie.
> > > > > > Stop playing the martyr - as you said, it's not going to
> > > > > > happen and nobody expects you to do such a stupid
> > > > > > thing.
> > > > > > The purpose of the question was not to propose your
> > > > > > death or anyone else's. The purpose of the question
> > > > > > was to see if you would put your belief to the test and
> > > > > > it failed.
> > > > > > It seems to me that you fear death. Why?
> > > > > Since our armed forces die for us every day, what would be
> > > > > so wrong seeing that we have to die daily to self.
> > > > > It is a Christians way to be sure that if you are a True Christian,
> > > > > persecution will happen.
> > > > > It is a given.
> > > > > Have watched it for many years.
> > > > > If you don't go to their church, bow down to some minister
> > > > > their way, you will be told you are not going to heaven.
> > > > > Christians die as martyrs almost every day, we just don't
> > > > > hear much about it in the West.
> > > > > However, many people are in jail because of their beliefs.
> > > > > They will not bow down to what some man tells them.
> > > > > > On Apr 29, 5:06 am, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM, LL <llpens3...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > LL. The entertainment value can't be denied.
> > > > > > > Finding entertainment in a proposal pondering the death of
> > myself,
> > > > > > > thea, yarrido or chris is very unwholesome and unwelcome.
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Brock
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