Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
On Apr 8, 10:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
Ask POTUS (President of the US) to knock on your door in 15 days. If
he doesn't, POTUS doesn't exist.
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 10:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> Ask POTUS (President of the US) to knock on your door in 15 days. If
> he doesn't, POTUS doesn't exist.
Hi Paul.
Welcome to AvC.
I don't have a god to do the test on,
but I think it's a good idea for our
Christian (and whomever else) colleagues
to give it a shot.
On Apr 9, 12:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15 > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably he'll hear the request.
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> Hi Paul.
> Welcome to AvC.
> I don't have a god to do the test on,
> but I think it's a good idea for our
> Christian (and whomever else) colleagues
> to give it a shot.
> On Apr 9, 12:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
Gord works in mysterious ways. It could be two weeks later that the
Holy Rollers show up at your door to convert you from your sinful
ways. If you test Gord, he will not come. The "Belief" policy.
> Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably he'll
> hear the request.
> --
> "To no form of religion is woman indebted for one impulse of freedom..."
> --Susan B. Anthony
> On Apr 9, 6:50 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel < > sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a > > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15 > > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> > Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably he'll > > hear the request.
> > --
> > "To no form of religion is woman indebted for one impulse of freedom..." > > --Susan B. Anthony
It's a ridiculous test. If that's not obvious at first glance - just
remember the argument from ignorance fallacy.
The fact that Paul can't get the very specific piece of evidence he's
asking for - in other words - a lack of evidence - is never valid
grounds for an argument. A lack of evidence is not evidence of
lacking.
> <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 8, 10:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> > Ask POTUS (President of the US) to knock on your door in 15 days. If
> > he doesn't, POTUS doesn't exist.
> > On Apr 9, 6:50 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel <
> > sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> > > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> > > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> > > Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably he'll
> > > hear the request.
> > > --
> > > "To no form of religion is woman indebted for one impulse of freedom..."
> > > --Susan B. Anthony
> On Apr 8, 9:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15 > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
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On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Ma-who? <theh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Richard Dawkins has still failed tot come knock on my door, despite > repeated e-mail requests. Clearly, Dawkins does not exist either.
> Come on folks, even for atheists with a serious axe to grind - this > argument shouldn't be indulged.
Nice to see a theist clued in ;-D.
I agree. Lack of evidence isn't evidence of lack.
However, there is other evidence of Dawkins existence.
Can we say that about your god?
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> > > On Apr 9, 6:50 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel < > > > sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do > a > > > > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15 > > > > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> > > > Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably > he'll > > > > hear the request.
> > > > --
> > > > "To no form of religion is woman indebted for one impulse of > freedom..." > > > > --Susan B. Anthony
Well, this test to me is more like a joke. More salient issues could b discussed. Like did God actually receive d blood of humans just to appease himself(like in d case of Jefta or d murder nd sacrifice of Jesus). Was their any moral sense in an innocent man dieing for the crimes of others??. Did God truely destroyed d whole world with water and left only d family of Noah. Lets nt turn this debate of God existence or lack of it into just a demand for an evidence that's digressing from serious discussion(s).
On 4/10/12, Neil Kelsey <neil.m.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 9, 2012 11:20:22 AM UTC-7, Ma-who? wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 12:41 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil.m.kel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Monday, April 9, 2012 10:07:34 AM UTC-7, Ma-who? wrote:
>> > > Richard Dawkins has still failed tot come knock on my door, despite >> > > repeated e-mail requests. Clearly, Dawkins does not exist either.
>> > No one is claiming that Richard Dawkins is omnipresent and omniscient.
>> > Come on folks, even for atheists with a serious axe to grind - this
>> > > argument shouldn't be indulged.
>> > And yet you trotted out this spurious argument anyway.
>> The whole point of that *parody* of Paul's argument,
> Your "parody" failed.
>> something I know >> you have difficulty with -
> I have no problem with parody, and recognize when one fails (like yours > did).
>> is yes, this line of argument is >> ridiculous.
> What's ridiculous is that you would lie about atheists in order to parody > them.
>> > > On Apr 9, 6:50 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel < >> > > sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > > > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do >> a >> > > > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
>> > > > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
>> > > > Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably >> he'll >> > > > hear the request.
>> > > > --
>> > > > "To no form of religion is woman indebted for one impulse of >> freedom..." >> > > > --Susan B. Anthony
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On Apr 8, 10:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
Or just didn't answer the request in the affirmative. :)
On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:17:58 PM UTC-7, Maximum wrote:
> Well, this test to me is more like a joke.
To me it's relevant that God doesn't answer prayers.
> More salient issues could b > discussed.
I think the issue of God's failure to answer prayers is salient to the issue of God's existence.
> Like did God actually receive d blood of humans just to > appease himself(like in d case of Jefta or d murder nd sacrifice of > Jesus).
Jesus and God are the same guy, from what I've been told. If they aren't then Christians are polytheists, and I don't think they're going to like that.
> Was their any moral sense in an innocent man dieing for the > crimes of others??
If Jesus and God are the same guy then I don't think Jesus was particularly innocent. In fact, I regard them/him as the ringleaders of a plot to torture most of humanity for all eternity.
> . Did God truely destroyed d whole world with water > and left only d family of Noah.
No, unless the universe runs by magic (and not the physical laws we think we have discovered).
> Lets nt turn this debate of God > existence or lack of it into just a demand for an evidence that's > digressing from serious discussion(s).
I don't regard the subjects you raised as any more (or less) serious than the subject of God's inability to answer prayers.
> On 4/10/12, Neil Kelsey <neil.m.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 9, 2012 11:20:22 AM UTC-7, Ma-who? wrote:
> >> On Apr 9, 12:41 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil.m.kel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Monday, April 9, 2012 10:07:34 AM UTC-7, Ma-who? wrote:
> >> > > Richard Dawkins has still failed tot come knock on my door, despite > >> > > repeated e-mail requests. Clearly, Dawkins does not exist either.
> >> > No one is claiming that Richard Dawkins is omnipresent and omniscient.
> >> > Come on folks, even for atheists with a serious axe to grind - this
> >> > > argument shouldn't be indulged.
> >> > And yet you trotted out this spurious argument anyway.
> >> The whole point of that *parody* of Paul's argument,
> > Your "parody" failed.
> >> something I know > >> you have difficulty with -
> > I have no problem with parody, and recognize when one fails (like yours > > did).
> >> is yes, this line of argument is > >> ridiculous.
> > What's ridiculous is that you would lie about atheists in order to parody > > them.
> >> > > On Apr 9, 6:50 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel < > >> > > sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > > > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets > do > >> a > >> > > > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in > 15
> >> > > > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> >> > > > Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably > >> he'll > >> > > > hear the request.
> >> > > > --
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On Apr 12, 4:22 pm, Brock Organ <brockor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Neil Kelsey wrote:
> > God is required to answer prayers for me to believe he actually exists.
> Nope, humankind is accountable to God, not the converse. :)
If God were to have never answered prayers by anyone including*
Abraham, Moses, Elijah and Jesus, then would you believe that God
exists?
* but not limited to
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:22:36 PM UTC-7, Brock wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Neil Kelsey wrote:
> On Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:23:34 PM UTC-7, Brock wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Neil Kelsey wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:17:58 PM UTC-7, Maximum wrote:
>>> Well, this test to me is more like a joke.
>> To me it's relevant that God doesn't answer prayers.
>> Or just isn't required/compelled to answer them in a manner a pray-er >> requires. :)
> God is required to answer prayers for me to believe he actually exists.
> Nope, humankind is accountable to God, not the converse. :)
You have provided no valid reason for me to believe "intermediaries" like you, so I don't. I'll stick with the reasonable explanation - God doesn't answer prayers because he doesn't exist (except as a figment of your imagination). Good thing, because your God sounds like a total dick.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:17 PM, felix gabriel <unclepenl...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Well, this test to me is more like a joke. More salient issues could b > discussed. Like did God actually receive d blood of humans just to > appease himself(like in d case of Jefta or d murder nd sacrifice of > Jesus).
Unfortunately this presumes the existence of a god. That's a presumption that it would be hard for atheists to make for obvious reasons.
> Was their any moral sense in an innocent man dieing for the > crimes of others??.
This is a good question and speaks to the type of morality that is advocated in the Bible. Why don't you start a thread on it? I'm guessing it will be a popular one :-D.
> Did God truely destroyed d whole world with water > and left only d family of Noah.
Same problem as the first question. You really can't expect atheists to accept that presumption.
However, if you wanted to ask if the Bible claims are possible or if there's evidence that this could have happened that would probably work.
> Lets nt turn this debate of God > existence or lack of it into just a demand for an evidence that's > digressing from serious discussion(s).
Actually we've had some very good and serious discussions on that topic with people who attempt to debate the various theological arguments using reason.
> On 4/10/12, Neil Kelsey <neil.m.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, April 9, 2012 11:20:22 AM UTC-7, Ma-who? wrote:
> >> On Apr 9, 12:41 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil.m.kel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > On Monday, April 9, 2012 10:07:34 AM UTC-7, Ma-who? wrote:
> >> > > Richard Dawkins has still failed tot come knock on my door, despite > >> > > repeated e-mail requests. Clearly, Dawkins does not exist either.
> >> > No one is claiming that Richard Dawkins is omnipresent and omniscient.
> >> > Come on folks, even for atheists with a serious axe to grind - this
> >> > > argument shouldn't be indulged.
> >> > And yet you trotted out this spurious argument anyway.
> >> The whole point of that *parody* of Paul's argument,
> > Your "parody" failed.
> >> something I know > >> you have difficulty with -
> > I have no problem with parody, and recognize when one fails (like yours > > did).
> >> is yes, this line of argument is > >> ridiculous.
> > What's ridiculous is that you would lie about atheists in order to parody > > them.
> >> > > On Apr 9, 6:50 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, paul bichsel < > >> > > sterlingdirec...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > > > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets > do > >> a > >> > > > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in > 15
> >> > > > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
> >> > > > Good test. After all, since he's allegedly everywhere, presumably > >> he'll > >> > > > hear the request.
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > "To no form of religion is woman indebted for one impulse of > >> freedom..." > >> > > > --Susan B. Anthony
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> On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Ma-who? <theh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Is is also written: you shall not tempt the Lord your God." - Matthew
> > 4:7
> > Before ridiculing other peoples' beliefs, it seems only normal to
> > first have some kind of a basic understanding of what they are.
> > Perhaps you should start there before mocking things you dont
> > understand.
> How is providing a test for your god, mocking things?
> > On Apr 8, 9:36 pm, paul bichsel <sterlingdirec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well dam how should I start. For any God lovers out their lets do a
> > > test. If your god lives then ask "HIM" to knock on your door in 15
> > > seconds. If you get no knock your god does not exist.
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