[Bug 658616] [NEW] gtk.STOCK_REMOVE has changed to something (I think is) confusing
Patrick Farrell
Binary package hint: ubuntu-mono
I maintain a GTK app used in-house at my university. It's a graphical
editor for the input to a scientific model. (You can see a screenshot at
http://amcg.ese.ic.ac.uk/index.php?title=Spud .) In the model options,
some things are optional, and can be activated by clicking a plus icon
on the right hand side of the TreeView; such things can then be
deactivated by clicking on a minus icon in the TreeView. (You can see
both the pluses and minuses in the screenshot.)
These icons are represented by a gtk.STOCK_ADD and a gtk.STOCK_REMOVE.
But sometime between lucid and maverick, the gtk.STOCK_REMOVE icon used
in the Ambiance theme got changed from a minus sign to a red circle with
a bar through it, which to me has a meaning much closer to "cancel" or
"danger" than "remove". As a visual metaphor for removing elements of
the input to the model, it no longer makes sense. My users who have just
updated to maverick have been a bit confused ...
So, is the right thing to do:
a) to bundle my own plus and minus icons, breaking consistency with the
rest of the desktop, or
b) should the gtk.STOCK_REMOVE icon to be changed back to the minus sign
it was in lucid? Is there a formal description of what the STOCK_REMOVE
should signify anywhere? I couldn't find it through google.
Was there any discussion of the change on a mailing list anywhere? I
googled for it but couldn't find any.
Like I said, the icon was perfectly appropriate in lucid, but it changed
in maverick.
Any advice gratefully received!
Thanks,
Patrick
** Affects: ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu)
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I maintain a GTK app used in-house at my university. It's a graphical
- editor for the input to a scientific model. (You can see a screenshot
- at http://amcg.ese.ic.ac.uk/index.php?title=Spud .) In the model options,
+ editor for the input to a scientific model. (You can see a screenshot at
+ http://amcg.ese.ic.ac.uk/index.php?title=Spud .) In the model options,
some things are optional, and can be activated by clicking a plus icon
- on the right hand side of the TreeView; such things can then be deactivated
- by clicking on a minus icon in the TreeView. (You can see both the pluses
- and minuses in the screenshot.)
+ on the right hand side of the TreeView; such things can then be
+ deactivated by clicking on a minus icon in the TreeView. (You can see
+ both the pluses and minuses in the screenshot.)
- These icons are represented by a gtk.STOCK_ADD and a gtk.STOCK_REMOVE. But
- sometime between lucid and maverick, the gtk.STOCK_REMOVE icon used in the
- Ambiance theme got changed from a minus sign to a red circle with a bar through
- it, which to me has a meaning much closer to "cancel" or "danger" than
- "remove". As a visual metaphor for removing elements of the input to the model,
- it no longer makes sense. My users who have just updated to maverick have been
- a bit confused ...
+ These icons are represented by a gtk.STOCK_ADD and a gtk.STOCK_REMOVE.
+ But sometime between lucid and maverick, the gtk.STOCK_REMOVE icon used
+ in the Ambiance theme got changed from a minus sign to a red circle with
+ a bar through it, which to me has a meaning much closer to "cancel" or
+ "danger" than "remove". As a visual metaphor for removing elements of
+ the input to the model, it no longer makes sense. My users who have just
+ updated to maverick have been a bit confused ...
So, is the right thing to do:
- a) to bundle my own plus and minus icons, breaking consistency with the rest of
- the desktop, or
+ a) to bundle my own plus and minus icons, breaking consistency with the
+ rest of the desktop, or
- b) should the gtk.STOCK_REMOVE icon to be changed back to
- the minus sign it was in lucid? Is there a formal description of what the STOCK_REMOVE
+ b) should the gtk.STOCK_REMOVE icon to be changed back to the minus sign
+ it was in lucid? Is there a formal description of what the STOCK_REMOVE
should signify anywhere? I couldn't find it through google.
- Was there any discussion of the change on a mailing list anywhere? I googled
- for it but couldn't find any.
+ Was there any discussion of the change on a mailing list anywhere? I
+ googled for it but couldn't find any.
Like I said, the icon was perfectly appropriate in lucid, but it changed
in maverick.
Any advice gratefully received!
Thanks,
Patrick
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bundle the clearlooks icons with my application ..
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very confusing. In our Gtk application this results in menu buttons with
the same icon and different functions. Other applications are also
affected, for instance Deluge (Bittorent client).
IMO it is not a good idea to define the same icon for two different
stock items. Furthermore, I think it is inconsistent to define the plus
sign for gtk-add and not the minus sign for gtk-remove.
TKL
Vish
It was rev 700 in our lp:elementaryicons branch.
It was totally not intended. I'll revert the icon and try to SRU this
for maverick.
** Package changed: ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu) => humanity-icon-theme (Ubuntu)
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getting along? (I don't know much about how they work)
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As are the other developers, as this is a busy week, it would be tough to expect them to upload it during this week.
The fix has been uploaded to branch it just needs to be uploaded to archive and SRU procedure followed.
** Branch linked: lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release
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As are the other developers, as this is a busy week, it would be tough to expect them to upload it during this week.
The fix has been uploaded to branch it just needs to be uploaded to archive and SRU procedure followed.
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** Also affects: humanity-icon-theme (Ubuntu Maverick)
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comment #6)
** Also affects: humanity-icon-theme (Ubuntu Maverick)
Status: New
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@Ken, you can upload the same to Natty as well.
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humanity-icon-theme (0.5.3.4) natty; urgency=low
* debian/rules: Greatly simplify.
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-- Martin Pitt <marti...@ubuntu.com> Tue, 02 Nov 2010 14:56:16 -0400
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