Having recently moved from a gmail account to a host google apps mail
account, I've noticed that many of the features recently added to
Gmail aren't yet in Google apps mail. Do those features (colored
labels, create-a-filter-based-on-this-msg, etc) eventually make it
into Google Apps mail and what has the lag time typically been?
> Having recently moved from a gmail account to a host google apps mail
> account, I've noticed that many of the features recently added to
> Gmail aren't yet in Google apps mail. Do those features (colored
> labels, create-a-filter-based-on-this-msg, etc) eventually make it
> into Google Apps mail and what has the lag time typically been?
I agree with schwa. I think it sucks that as a paying GAFYD premium
customer, I have to wait for features being thrown onto regular gmail.
I have IMAP now but not the revised contacts area or any of the other
good stuff. What's up wit dat?
> Having recently moved from a gmail account to a host google apps mail
> account, I've noticed that many of the features recently added to
> Gmail aren't yet in Google apps mail. Do those features (colored
> labels, create-a-filter-based-on-this-msg, etc) eventually make it
> into Google Apps mail and what has the lag time typically been?
One interesting thing that GAFYD mail has that general GMail does not,
is the option to "Choose from Contacts" once you're already in the
compose window of a new message. My wife is an AOL hold out precisely
because she can't do that yet in general GMail (and she's not
interested in a hosted email account on my domain, for some reason).
In AOL, she loves being able to start an email, pull up the address
book, and choose people to include, as if from a menu. It has to be
in that order, because that's the way she thinks of it (and, I
understand that). I've pointed out to her that she can start in
Contacts, pick people, then click "Compose" but she objects "I just
don't think in that order".
So, for her, that's one unique Google Apps mail feature that I wish
they'd port back into general GMail as soon as possible.
> I agree. Regular gMail customers now have the AOL Chat integration and
> Google Apps customers are going to have to wait forever for it.
> Why pay $50+++ a year if we are going to have half the experience of
> gMail customers?
> What a way to run a business, punish your best and most dedicated
> customers (the ones willing to pay) by releasing features to them last.
Quite frankly I'd rather have the regular Gmail users "beta test"
these features before rolling it out to a corporate/organisation based
service that Google Apps is intended for, rather than rush in and
cause all manner of problems by leaping into the unknown. As it is, I
dislike the new composition window for plain text messages as the text
doesn't wrap like it does in the current system.
Rushing into things just because it has the latest and greatest
features is just a very bad idea - I can attest to that after 10 years
of corporate IT and systems administration. Slowly but surely is the
key.
Isn't that why we have the "Next Generation" option in GAFYD
settings? If you don't want to test these features with the rest of
the regular Gmail users, you could just select the standard option and
let those of us who are set for next generation test along with
everyone else!
I agree. Also, I am sure there are many people like me who are paying
to use GAFYD for personal and/or family email, as opposed to a
corporate environment where the rollout of such features would need to
be more controlled.
> Isn't that why we have the "Next Generation" option in GAFYD
> settings? If you don't want to test these features with the rest of
> the regular Gmail users, you could just select the standard option and
> let those of us who are set for next generation test along with
> everyone else!
> On Dec 5, 5:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > Good thinking Martyn!
> > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > into Google Apps right away...
> > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > Xavier
I believe the "Next Generation" option is specifically for the control
panel and not the individual apps. I have selected that option, yet me
mail app is still the old version.
> Isn't that why we have the "Next Generation" option in GAFYD
> settings? If you don't want to test these features with the rest of
> the regular Gmail users, you could just select the standard option and
> let those of us who are set for next generation test along with
> everyone else!
> On Dec 5, 5:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > Good thinking Martyn!
> > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > into Google Apps right away...
> > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > Xavier
So I'm new to this group, but this discussion is exactly the reason
why I joined. I am of the agreement that GAFYD could/should be give
the option of being feature beta testers. Is there a chance that
someone from Google might respond to this discussion with an answer? I
would just like to add that I'm a big fan of Google, and I'm looking
forward to the next global regime change.
> I believe the "Next Generation" option is specifically for the control
> panel and not the individual apps. I have selected that option, yet me
> mail app is still the old version.
> On Dec 5, 7:06 am, grasstippy wrote:
> > Isn't that why we have the "Next Generation" option in GAFYD
> > settings? If you don't want to test these features with the rest of
> > the regular Gmail users, you could just select the standard option and
> > let those of us who are set for next generation test along with
> > everyone else!
> > On Dec 5, 5:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier- Hide quoted text -
Like Ike, I'm also new to this group and have joined specifically to
voice my concerns about this issue.
I'm sure Google has a good reason to delay the new features for Google
Apps Mail users (I use Google Apps for my primary Google services but
also have a regular GMail account.) From the 11/28 post on the
Official Gmail Blog: "These features only work with the latest version
of Gmail, which we are still rolling out to IE6, international and
Google Apps users." Like others have said in this thread, I suppose
GAFYD users will see these new features eventually, I just wish Google
would give us some sort of timeframe for this or at least explain the
reason for the delay.
I'm not a premium user, so for me these are all free services and my
opinions and requests don't matter as much, but I'd just really like
to see and use all of the exciting new GMail features inside Google
Apps.
> So I'm new to this group, but this discussion is exactly the reason
> why I joined. I am of the agreement that GAFYD could/should be give
> the option of being feature beta testers. Is there a chance that
> someone from Google might respond to this discussion with an answer? I
> would just like to add that I'm a big fan of Google, and I'm looking
> forward to the next global regime change.
> i
> On Dec 5, 10:21 am, hashref wrote:
> > I believe the "Next Generation" option is specifically for the control
> > panel and not the individual apps. I have selected that option, yet me
> > mail app is still the old version.
> > On Dec 5, 7:06 am, grasstippy wrote:
> > > Isn't that why we have the "Next Generation" option in GAFYD
> > > settings? If you don't want to test these features with the rest of
> > > the regular Gmail users, you could just select the standard option and
> > > let those of us who are set for next generation test along with
> > > everyone else!
> > > On Dec 5, 5:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > > Xavier- Hide quoted text -
As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
education and organizational users.
While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
eye on this thread.
Please, please, please provide a smooth Gmail to GFYD migration
without any 3rd-party-hitch or "you can do it with our POP-service,
but you will lose your manually tagged labels".
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
Surprised to see nooneis mentioning the Gmail Mobile application.
Currently Google Apps can only use it in Blackberry or via POP/IMAP.
But the Gmail mobile app doesn't work for Google Apps.
I am getting frustrated waiting for it so long.
Nikhil.
On Dec 6, 6:40 am, Google Apps Advisor Mark wrote:
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier- Hide quoted text -
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier
Yep, it's getting seriously sad each time I have to drag myself away
from my fast, colourful personal Gmail account to hang out in my slow,
dated Google Apps work account.
Hasn't it been months (since October I think) since the new version of
Gmail launched?
> Colored labels, AIM connections, better contact manager... who would
> not want that.. I know I do. :)
> Bring it on.. and I'm happy to test it out for you if you need a
> Google Apps tester.
> On Dec 6, 12:40 pm, Google Apps Advisor Mark wrote:
> > Hi Admins,
> > As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> > and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> > chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> > working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> > had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> > We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> > suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> > education and organizational users.
> > While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> > keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> > innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> > unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> > We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> > continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> > has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> > eye on this thread.
> > Cheers,
> > - Mark
> > On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > > Xavier
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier
I agree - it's sad to think that my free-mail account is speedier and
more feature-filled than my corporate account! On an almost daily
basis, I open my Gmail account to find new features that make using
Gmail an even better experience. And, daily, I check my Google Apps
mail and nothing has changed...
On a troubleshooting note, I keep both Gmail and Google Apps open in
my browser during the day, and I have run into issues with some third-
party software in Firefox (like Greasemonkey) that makes me download
both the old version and the new version of their apps, but then
Firefox can't detect which version to use when! Having the same
interface across the board would eliminate the issues created by
having two versions running concurrently.
Regards,
Rachel
PS - I was very excited about the IMAP feature, only to find that HTML
messages do not appear on Windows Mobile. This completely defeats the
benefit of mobile email integration.
On Dec 5, 8:40 pm, Google Apps Advisor Mark wrote:
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier
But can you not, as I think as been mentioned before, provide the
OPTION to use the new features, just as standard Gmail offers the
option to revert to the old version. The new version could be labeled
"beta" in big letters if you wish - "use at your own risk." I may not
use it for my work email setup, but certainly would for my personal
domain! I think it is a significant improvement.
On Dec 5, 8:40 pm, Google Apps Advisor Mark wrote:
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier
I would prefer this option in my GFYD settings. I would like to
activate or disable every new function. Maybe only activate/disable
for a specific group or for everybody...
> But can you not, as I think as been mentioned before, provide the
> OPTION to use the new features, just as standard Gmail offers the
> option to revert to the old version. The new version could be labeled
> "beta" in big letters if you wish - "use at your own risk." I may not
> use it for my work email setup, but certainly would for my personal
> domain! I think it is a significant improvement.
> On Dec 5, 8:40 pm, Google Apps Advisor Mark wrote:
> > Hi Admins,
> > As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> > and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> > chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> > working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> > had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> > We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> > suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> > education and organizational users.
> > While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> > keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> > innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> > unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> > We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> > continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> > has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> > eye on this thread.
> > Cheers,
> > - Mark
> > On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > > Xavier
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier
Is it possible for the users in my Google Apps account to join a
Google Group? It seems that only regular gmail account holders can log
in and join groups.
On Dec 5, 6:40 pm, Google Apps Advisor Mark wrote:
> As many of you have noticed, we've recently released a number of new
> and exciting features in Gmail for our consumer users, like group
> chat, colored labels and more helpful keyboard shortcuts. Our team is
> working to bring these features to Google Apps users as soon as we've
> had the chance to make sure that they will be well received by users.
> We want to ensure that all the features we bring to the Google Apps
> suite are useful and stable before providing them to our business,
> education and organizational users.
> While it might seem like we're keeping you on the edge of your
> keyboards for a long time, we think you'll agree that the pace of
> innovation we're able to deliver through our hosted applications is
> unparalleled, and we want to keep it that way!
> We really appreciate the feedback you've all provided and we'll
> continue to evaluate how we roll out new feature releases. If anyone
> has more to add, please feel free to add it here; we'll be keeping an
> eye on this thread.
> Cheers,
> - Mark
> On Dec 5, 5:13 pm, MichaelLitz wrote:
> > Uhm, I'm pretty sure Google does thier own beta testing before they
> > roll something out to the millions of Gmail users.
> > On Dec 5, 4:50 am, XavierL wrote:
> > > Good thinking Martyn!
> > > I'm a Google Apps Premier paying customer too. I like the idea of
> > > Gmail users beta testing stuff before release into Google Apps.
> > > Still, color labels seems like an easy win. Let's go wild and put it
> > > into Google Apps right away...
> > > Anybody knows/explains why everything is forever "beta" at Google?
> > > Xavier
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