APML and SKOS

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J. Trent Adams

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Feb 11, 2008, 3:30:04 PM2/11/08
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A discussion just popped up over in a DataPortability: Implementation
Action Group [1] chat room that seems like it'd be of interest here.

The question was asked how well APML plays within the context of the
Simple Knowledge Organization System (SKOS) spec [2].

I searched this group and didn't find a reference to it. Has anyone
given this any thought, yet?

Curious,
Trent

[1] http://groups.google.com/group/dataportabilityactionimplementation
[2] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20080118

Jeff Fedor

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Feb 11, 2008, 3:43:54 PM2/11/08
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Not a contributor to APML but I've thought about how SKOS could be leveraged but figured it was casualty of working with it on a daily basis for my gig last year.

Brief snapshot into my thinking -- use SKOS for broader/narrower relationship trees of interests to allow bucketing of broader interests when looking at bigger picture items and narrower interests for specific topics. Hmmn that sounds pretty vague... ok it's approaching end of day and I'm not talking pretty... How about broader for something like a Blog vs Narrow for something like a blog post/entry.

That said I really should read the APML dox again.
j

David Novakovic

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Feb 11, 2008, 6:14:13 PM2/11/08
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Just at a cursory glance I can see several similarities between the
formats. There are several differences too, one of which is critical in
my opinion.

APML could be considered simple-SKOS, except that it has no concept of
triples, an inherent principle of anything based on RDF. That being
said, it'd be easy enough to represent APML data as triples.

The one difference that sticks out in my mind: APML is user friendly as
well as machine friendly.

Perhaps someone could write a SKOS -> APML adapter. Does anyone know of
any in-the-wild usage of SKOS?

David

Jeff Fedor

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Feb 11, 2008, 6:26:54 PM2/11/08
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Phil Barker

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Feb 13, 2008, 5:29:32 AM2/13/08
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David Novakovic wrote:
>
> J. Trent Adams wrote:
>

>> ...


>> The question was asked how well APML plays within the context of the
>> Simple Knowledge Organization System (SKOS) spec [2].

>> ...


>>
> Just at a cursory glance I can see several similarities between the
> formats. There are several differences too, one of which is critical in
> my opinion.
>
> APML could be considered simple-SKOS, except that it has no concept of
> triples, an inherent principle of anything based on RDF. That being
> said, it'd be easy enough to represent APML data as triples.
>

With these comments in mind I wonder (without implying a preference
between the two) whether it is worth looking at zThes as well as SKOS.
Has anyone done so?

zThes allows vocabularies (e.g. thesauri, with a hierarchy of narrower
and broader terms, related terms and preferred/non preferred terms) to
be expressed in XML. See http://zthes.z3950.org/

Phil


> The one difference that sticks out in my mind: APML is user friendly as
> well as machine friendly.
>
> Perhaps someone could write a SKOS -> APML adapter. Does anyone know of
> any in-the-wild usage of SKOS?
>
> David
>
>
> >
>

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gdupont

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Feb 14, 2008, 5:04:00 AM2/14/08
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I don't fully understand the discussion here... As far as I know SKOS
(and same with zThes with limitation to thesaurus) is about to
organize knowledge and APML is about to provide an entry point into
users preferences/interests. That's two (very) different aims (in my
point of view). A connection between the two can be found of course
since APML could refer to a specific SKOS description of concepts (and
thus provide user's interests in those concepts) and interoperability
can be found by using optional URI to lik APML to SKOS.

Am I missing something ?

GDupont

David P. Novakovic

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Feb 14, 2008, 6:47:04 AM2/14/08
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 I agree, APML is simple and serves it's purpose perfectly (well not entirely, but v1 is coming and that will fix a lot of stuff) especially when put into the context of dataportability.

David

TSchultz55

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Feb 14, 2008, 12:32:02 PM2/14/08
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"Am I missing something ?"

Assuming I myself am not missing something (my knowledge of SKOS is
very limited) , I agree GDupont. We can view APML and SKOS as
complementaries. This is why I'm a huge fan of the APML 1.0 Spec
"URI" attribute, as it lets you embed semantic resources directly into
a concept without inciting a ton of overhead. Because of this, there
is always that prospect of a "linkage" between APML and any RDF/OWL-
based format.

I ultimately believe that the exploitation of semantic resources can
enable APML to make smarter, more complex decisions in terms of
developing implicit concepts. We just have to develop that
functionality!

Tim

Jeff Fedor

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Feb 14, 2008, 1:29:54 PM2/14/08
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To clarify: my ramblings were definitely on the basis of SKOS as a complimentary technology to APML

j

gdupont

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Feb 15, 2008, 5:24:17 AM2/15/08
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Totally agree with this !
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