[Julie Urena]

Bonjour a Tous et a Toutes, My students felt pretty good about the AP exam, which is such a relief. All their hard work during the year paid off. I have a question for you all. One of my students asked the proctor if he could use then restroom during the exam. Unfortunately she let him go during the LISTENING section !!!!!??? This seems highly irregular. He said it was not an emergency, so I am surprised she let him go. He missed a small portion of one of the audios but was able to hear it entirely the second time??? I am not sure what to do about this? Have you ever had this happen? I am not worried about the student because he is smart and prepared...but I have never heard of a proctor letting a student go to the restroom. Are kids allowed to leave the exam room to use the restroom? If not, let this be a cautionary tale that proctors do not always understand the way it works. Other than that.... I think things went well and I am so relieved. I want to thank my very special French teacher friends and colleagues here. This network has been a tremendous help and support. We did it!!!! Have a great summer, Julie Urena Trinity Episcopal School Richmond, Virginia

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From: James in Belgium <mnod...@hotmail.com>;
To: AP French Discussion Group <ap-french-dis...@googlegroups.com>;
Subject: [AP French] Re: French TV series that will interest students
Sent: Tue, May 15, 2012 3:32:47 PM

Salutations: Some of the French sitcoms in the list are now on You Tube. As written in the fist post, "You Tube for most and also try Daily Motion". The Canadian sitcoms, very funny by the way as they share "American humor", are subtitled in French here in Belgium and France.  The accent is quit a challenge, and the slang even more.  Knowing English gives an advantage to understanding, "Cathérine", from Québec, over that of French-only speakers. On s'habitue à l'accent et à l'argot et aux anglicismes. Bien à vous, James O' On May 14, 1:36 am, Julie Urena <julie_ur...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Great list James, but how can we watch them in the US? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AP French Discussion Group" group. To post to this group, send email to ap-french-dis...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to ap-french-discussion-group+unsub...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/ap-french-discussion-group?hl=en.

[Elaine Burg]

Bonsoir a tous,

Has anyone heard that the audio source for the persuasive essay was difficult to understand? It was a radio broadcast, but the person speaking was on the phone. My students said it was difficult to understand due to the noise from the phone connection.

Elaine

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[Michou]

I haven't heard the radio broadcast but My students have all told me
that it was almost impossible to understand because there seemed to be
a bad telephone connection. Some just went with the first 2 prompts,
while a few thought that, given that the interview was with the person
who had written the 1st prompt, this one would sort of agree with that
one.

J'attends vos commentaires avec impatience
Michou

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[Edith]

Hi all,

My students overall were pretty satisfied. No one mentioned having any difficulty understanding the audio parts. They did share that there was no specific regional/francophone accents.

Edith
Holliston HS, MA

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[Elaine Burg]

My students were pretty happy with it overall, just frustrated about that one audio source. 

Elaine

[Townshend, Mrs. Rodica]

I had the same reaction from my students - said that the broadcast was virtually impossible to understand.

Rodica Townshend
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[Toby Gillen]

Hi! My kids didn't say anything about the audio for the persuasive
essay, but they did say there was one line of the simulated dialogue
that they didn't understand and that the cd skipped a bit in the
computer lab. Ugh.

My biggest surprise hearing the feedback was how little there was that
was" francophone" outside of Europe. I thought this new exam was
supposed to incorporate the whole francophone world.

On verra!

*******************************
Toby Gillen
MS/HS French Teacher
Bronxville UFSD
177 Pondfield Road, Room B112
Bronxville, NY 10708
(914) 395-0500 x 2443
>>> "Townshend, Mrs. Rodica" <R.Tow...@severnschool.com> 05/16/12
19:41 PM >>>

> > gives an advantage to understanding, "Cath�rine", from Qu�bec, over
> > that of French-only speakers.
>
> > On s'habitue � l'accent et � l'argot et aux anglicismes.
>
> > Bien � vous,

[Julie]

Yes I heard this too about the speaker on the radio, that he was hard to understand. I also heard there was a "femme quebecoise", on the audio, too. 

[Sheryl Meservey]

All my students said the same thing. It was extremely hard to understand due to a bad connection sound. They said it was like watching the news and hearing an interview or news report from another location that had audio difficulties. They worked so hard all year and felt very prepared, only to have the audio for the essay seem overwhelming. Frustrating!

Sheryl Meservey
French Teacher
Union High School
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[Ronnie Friedman]

My students, too, said that the audio recording of the telephone conversation was scratchy and practically incomprehensible. 

 

There was also surprise about the conversation which they said was unlike the practice exercises.  Instead of responding to questions, they were apparently required to ask questions to solicit information and offer consolation to a disappointed student - all doable but unexpected.

 

Ronnie Friedman 

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[mikem...@gmail.com]

My students agree - they mentionned that they could barely hear one audio source- it was full of static. I wonder why the College Board would chose a source that was of such poor audio quality. It boggles my mind.
Mike M

On , Julie <julie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes I heard this too about the speaker on the radio, that he was hard to understand. I also heard there was a "femme quebecoise", on the audio, too. 
>
> On May 16, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Elaine Burg elain...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Bonsoir a tous,
>
> Has anyone heard that the audio source for the persuasive essay was difficult to understand? It was a radio broadcast, but the person speaking was on the phone. My students said it was difficult to understand due to the noise from the phone connection.
>
>
>
> Elaine
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Julie Urena julie...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Bonjour a Tous et a Toutes,
>
>
> My students felt pretty good about the AP exam, which is such a relief. All their hard work during the year paid off.
> I have a question for you all. One of my students asked the proctor if he could use then restroom during the exam. Unfortunately she let him go during the LISTENING section !!!!!??? This seems highly irregular. He said it was not an emergency, so I am surprised she let him go. He missed a small portion of one of the audios but was able to hear it entirely the second time??? I am not sure what to do about this? Have you ever had this happen? I am not worried about the student because he is smart and prepared...but I have never heard of a proctor letting a student go to the restroom. Are kids allowed to leave the exam room to use the restroom? If not, let this be a cautionary tale that
> proctors do not always understand the way it works.
>
> Other than that.... I think things went well and I am so relieved. I want to thank my very special French teacher friends and colleagues here. This network has been a tremendous help and support. We did it!!!!
>
>
> Have a great summer,
>
> Julie Urena
> Trinity Episcopal School
> Richmond, Virginia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[BROOMALL, BARBARA]

One of mine said the same.  He reported that there was so much background noise - that he could not process the input.  This is a high level, hard-working kid.

Students also reported that the listening CD sometimes skipped.

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[Allen, Lisa]

Bonjour a tous,

My students said the exam was very difficult. They said that the audio
broadcast was a phone interview and that the person on the other end of
the phone was hard to understand and that there was background noise or
static as though the sound was coming through a phone line adding to the
difficulty. One of my students is a fluent speaker and writer and she said
the exam was "very difficult". Another of my very strong students said the
conversation portion of the exam was very hard to understand at times and
she pretty much guessed at a response. I'm discouraged but not surprised.
My students entered the course unable to comprehend the audio exercises
from the Ladd books. I had to start with slow French recordings to try and
improve their comprehension. I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone and I'd
love to know how those of you for whom the exam went well went about
preparing your students. I'm hoping for a generous curve.

Lisa Allen



On 5/16/12 7:40 PM, "Townshend, Mrs. Rodica"

[Emily Lämmle]

Bonjour a tous,
  Je suis a l'etranger (en Thailande) et mes eleves ont trouve la source audio de la redaction difficile a comprendre, sauf mes 'native speakers' qui l'ont compris sans trop de difficulte.

Bien a vous,
Emilie

[Lucia, Elizabeth]

Mine said the same kinds of things about the essay audio source.  I just don't understand the logic of choosing that kind of an audio source -- that makes it so much less about understanding the French and more about the noise!  

Elizabeth

Georgetown Visitation Preparatory School

[Julia Fantoni]

I'm just curious...is anybody going to complain to College Board about the listening that included the phone conversation? My colleague who proctored the exam told me I should seriously consider complaining...that it was extremely hard to understand.

 

Julia Fantoni

Baker High School

Mobile, AL

> > gives an advantage to understanding, "Cathérine", from Québec, over
> > that of French-only speakers.
>
> > On s'habitue à l'accent et à l'argot et aux anglicismes.
>
> > Bien à vous,

>
> > James O'
>
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[Elaine Burg]

It will get brought up at the AP reading this summer, I am sure.

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[Kristina J]

My students' only real complaint about the test was the audio on the
essay. As everyone of you said, there was too much background noise.
Our proctor was a former French teacher and she was shocked. My best
student said he didn't understand the first comment on the
conversation exchange either. I did hear there was one quebecois
speaker in one of the audios too but that it wasn't hard to
understand. I heard the first two readings were hard but my kids still
felt good about their answers. They said the email was really easy
they thought.

On May 17, 6:27 am, Julia Fantoni <juliafant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm just curious...is anybody going to complain to College Board about the listening that included the phone conversation? My colleague who proctored the exam told me I should seriously consider complaining...that it was extremely hard to understand.
>
> Julia Fantoni
> Baker High School
> Mobile, AL
>

> ________________________________
> From: Toby Gillen <Gill...@bronxville.k12.ny.us>

> To: ap-french-dis...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: [AP French]
>
> Hi! My kids didn't say anything about the audio for the persuasive
> essay, but they did say there was one line of the simulated dialogue
> that they didn't understand and that the cd skipped a bit in the
> computer lab. Ugh.
>
> My biggest surprise hearing the feedback was how little there was that
> was" francophone" outside of Europe. I thought this new exam was
> supposed to incorporate the whole francophone world.
>
> On verra!
>
> *******************************
> Toby Gillen
> MS/HS French Teacher
> Bronxville UFSD
> 177 Pondfield Road, Room B112
> Bronxville, NY  10708

> (914) 395-0500 x 2443>>> "Townshend, Mrs. Rodica" <R.Townsh...@severnschool.com> 05/16/12

>
> 19:41 PM >>>
> I had the same reaction from my students - said that the broadcast was
> virtually impossible to understand.
>
> Rodica Townshend
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[Geisinger, Jessica]

The Spanish teacher who proctored our exam said that my students thought something was wrong with their headphones (crackling) during the audio for the essay. So some took off their headphones to complain. The proctor had no idea what to do. My students have done exhaustive listening practice at home from radio files I've pulled from the Internet and had never encountered this issue...so, of course, they could only imagine that it was a language lab issue.

Of course, one must see how the test writers' choice to use that particular audio file negatively affected student performance.

Jessica
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[Lucia, Elizabeth]

My colleagues and I are definitely going to write a letter. Doesn't that seem worth doing?

Elizabeth Lucia

Georgetown Visitation Prep School

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[Erin Higgins]

For anyone that used computers to record for the AP exam, what headsets would you recommend? My principal has actually budgeted for us to purchase headphones, and I've heard that the best kind are the wireless ones where it will play the audio for students through the headsets themselves and they record through the mic. I have no idea where to begin to look for these online, if anyone has experience with these and can help I'd much appreciate it. We have a computer lab of desktop macs and also a cart of mac laptops so we would need mac compatible if it makes a difference. We've practiced recording on Audacity in the lab but no headsets, just speaking right into the computer. With 30 kids it wasn't possible to record like that for the exam so we had to use our old tape recorders still. As always, some didn't record, some ate the College Board tapes, etc. so I am very anxious to switch over to computer recording. 

If you have any advice on what headsets to purchase, playing the audio through the headsets vs. a cd player for the exam, I'd love to hear it. 

Erin Higgins

William and Carol Ouchi High School

Los Angeles, CA

[Franca Gilbert]

It is my understanding that all macs have built-in mics. We are a Mac school and do not need any.

Franca Gilbert

French Teacher, NHS Advisor

Franklin Academy High School

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[Catherine Shriver]

I shall, also.  Why did the College Board NOT ensure that all the listening sections were clear?  It would be absurd should they take the position that phone conversations are sometimes garbled.  That's taking the realism too far!

[Lucia, Elizabeth]

Right?  I just don't understand their logic.

[Candy Perusi]

I asked the proctors to put it in their report to the college board.
- bad audio and also the lack of bilingual instructions as to when to
push record! Of all things! The procotors don't speak the language.

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[Erin Toews]

I COMPLETELY agree. My students said they were very frustrated at the amount of static.

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[Katy Dueppen]

This irritated my students (and me) as well! They tried to get just enough information out of the conversation to use it as a source and gave up after that.
I remember that at Central States in March 2011, James Monk from the CB promised that there wouldn't be any background noise interferring with the listening. What did they consider this, then?

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>The Spanish teacher who proctored our exam said that my students thought something was wrong with their headphones (crackling) during the audio for the essay. So some took off their headphones to complain. The proctor had no idea what to do. My students have done exhaustive listening practice at home from radio files I've pulled from the Internet and had never encountered this issue...so, of course, they could only imagine that it was a language lab issue.
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> Of course, one must see how the test writers' choice to use that particular audio file negatively affected student performance.
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>My students' only real complaint about the test was the audio on the essay. As everyone of you said, there was too much background noise.
>Our proctor was a former French teacher and she was shocked. My best student said he didn't understand the first comment on the conversation exchange either. I did hear there was one quebecois speaker in one of the audios too but that it wasn't hard to understand. I heard the first two readings were hard but my kids still felt good about their answers. They said the email was really easy they thought.
>

>On May 17, 6:27 am, Julia Fantoni <juliafant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I'm just curious...is anybody going to complain to College Board about the listening that included the phone conversation? My colleague who proctored the exam told me I should seriously consider complaining...that it was extremely hard to understand.
>>
>> Julia Fantoni
>> Baker High School
>> Mobile, AL
>>

>> ________________________________
>> From: Toby Gillen <Gill...@bronxville.k12.ny.us>

>> To: ap-french-dis...@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: RE: [AP French]
>>
>> Hi! My kids didn't say anything about the audio for the persuasive
>> essay, but they did say there was one line of the simulated dialogue
>> that they didn't understand and that the cd skipped a bit in the
>> computer lab. Ugh.
>>
>> My biggest surprise hearing the feedback was how little there was that
>> was" francophone" outside of Europe. I thought this new exam was
>> supposed to incorporate the whole francophone world.
>>
>> On verra!
>>
>> *******************************
>> Toby Gillen
>> MS/HS French Teacher
>> Bronxville UFSD
>> 177 Pondfield Road, Room B112
>> Bronxville, NY 10708
>> (914) 395-0500 x 2443>>> "Townshend, Mrs. Rodica"

>> <R.Townsh...@severnschool.com> 05/16/12

>>
>> 19:41 PM >>>
>> I had the same reaction from my students - said that the broadcast was
>> virtually impossible to understand.
>>
>> Rodica Townshend
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[Dick and Penny]

A question from Harold Bloom. Unrelated stream of consciousness, when are we expected to arrive on Saturday?

[Jenny S.]

In the instructions that are read aloud to the students prior to the
exam, it states that students are permitted to go to the bathroom
during the exam with the understanding that they may not make up for
lost time. I'm surprised the student asked to go to the bathroom
during the listening portion if it was not an emergency?? It is not
the proctor's responsibility to advise the student not to leave. The
AP instructions are pretty clear.

JS

[James in Belgium]

All complaints from us should be duplicated on the AP French
"Communauté" webpage. You can be assured that they monitor their own
website.

I am listening to the RFi site now, and this is tough for all who have
not had the opportunity to be immersed in the French Language for 4
weeks or more, and probably for more than one occasion.

Well, we should all put RFI as a primary audio source for our
students. Listen for the main points, listen for a few details,
listen for different points of view. Summarize the audio selection.

Bien à vous,

James in Belgium

[Allen, Lisa]

Thanks James, Great suggestion. I just put a post on the AP French
webpage.

Lisa