Android 2.1 and beyond

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Brian Luedtke

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May 27, 2010, 3:00:47 PM5/27/10
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Hello guys!

First of all, great work so far! I love the 1.6 Android port you guys
have released. It's fun to play with and although I haven't found
enough use in it yet to replace working on the same system running
Windows, I can see the potential for this OS to become the go-to OS
for any internet device.

That being said, I've noticed you haven't produced any updates in a
couple of months. 2.1 is out in full force and 2.2 is now out on Nexus
devices, soon to be coming to Droid and other platforms. This is a
great opportunity to take advantage of the new refinements and
features to bring together a solid platform.

In addition, Android tablets are being prototyped and tested and can
be soon expected to be released. I suppose for this reason your work
may have slowed or stopped, but I figure you should continue. As I see
it, though your original purpose (to bring Android to tablets and
laptops) is being met by other companies around the world, your true
purpose is still very much alive and ready for your progress. And that
purpose is making Android available to ALL PC systems, and giving
users another choice in the OS market over Windows, Mac, and Linux.
I'm a Windows user, I was never sold with the other platforms. Even
the free Linux wasn't anything I wanted to mess with for too long.
However, Android has caught my attention and I long for it to be
available like Linux is.

Keep up the great work, guys. I hope to see more in the future

bk

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Jun 2, 2010, 5:09:33 PM6/2/10
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Totally agree. I would love to see the current releases running on
x86 hardware.

Evgeny Goldin

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Jun 2, 2010, 8:29:37 PM6/2/10
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Can't agree more.
I was wondering what are your plans for porting the Froyo release?

Thank you, guys!

Chih-Wei Huang

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Jun 2, 2010, 11:45:08 PM6/2/10
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Hi,
I have to say thank you for your support.
Yes, the project has very little progress for months.
The fact is we are all busy on our own jobs.
But the most important reason is,
the passion is diminishing.

Today someone came to the android-x86 irc channel
and ask if we will upgrade to 2.2 soon.
I said Google hasn't released 2.2 source yet,
and don't expect it has a lot of improvements on x86.
Then he just left. Well, really makes me feel hurt.
Most people just ask if we can do something for them,
and if we can't satisfy them, they just go away.
They don't want to contribute.

Yi and I establish and operate this project for almost one year.
We got no rewards, no contributions, just got a lot of questions
on this forum that I can't or don't want to answer.
I do not mean I don't want to help you, but you have to
help yourself first. You must learn how to ask a question
smartly on the internet.
(Google: How To Ask Questions The Smart Way)

To be honest, there are really some contributions from the
open source community to the project.
But most of contributors just gave one or two patches
and then they left. Today, this is still a two person's project.
I know this is normal for an open source project.
But that just means this is not an important project,
nobody really care or need it.
Even Intel don't care this project. I tried to contact
their engineers, but no response.

Actually I'm still working on android porting for daily job.
But not on x86 -- my boss told me don't spend too
much time on x86, it's useless.


2010/6/3 bk <bko...@gmail.com>:

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Evgeny Goldin

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Jun 2, 2010, 8:37:30 PM6/2/10
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On the other hand, how come Google isn't doing it this porting effort?
I mean, if they were providing x86 images for people to install on
their PCs,
netbooks and laptops - wouldn't it be *much* better for Android
adoption?

Evgeny Goldin

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Jun 3, 2010, 4:18:01 AM6/3/10
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Hi,

I'm sorry to hear that, I really am.

It doesn't surprise me people treat this project, like many others, from a purely consuming point:
"Give me something I need right now or I'll leave". Being involved in OS project on top of a regular 
job is very hard, I'm trying to OS  some of my things and it takes a lot of time and effort just to provide 
a decent documentation, not to mention new features to develop.

As about Intel - they're involved with MeeGo now so it explains why they have less interest in Android.

I really don't get it why Google isn't interested in porting Android to x86 and letting people install it 
everywhere. Too much effort? Too much support? Too much use cases, probably?

Just think what would happen if Google would be providing free setup images after each release - people 
wouldn't have to wait till their Nexus phones get the upgrade, they can download the image and install 
it on their netbooks! Best for everyone.

It can be the case that Google still bets on ChromeOS for netbooks market and therefore less interested 
in Android x86 port :( 
Today, some manufacturers start selling Android-based netbooks or tablet PCs but, hell, when I buy a 
laptop or a netbook - I want to decide what kind of OS I'm going to run there.


Anyway, I was wondering what does it mean to help you guys? 
What knowledge does it require?
If there's someone willing to contribute to the project - what kind of activities will he be taking upon?
Also, how much time does it usually take to Google to open-source the code after they release a new version?



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ketan bhardwaj

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Jun 3, 2010, 5:46:19 AM6/3/10
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Hello,
 
I am up for it too !
In case you guys need any help, just ping me.
 
regards
Ketan

To get a comprehensive view of my work Please visit http://ketanbj.googlepages.com

baohaojun

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Jun 4, 2010, 9:46:28 AM6/4/10
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Useless? No! It's very useful to me, an application developer.

It's so much faster to use android-x86 than with Google's emulator.
And lot more convenient than real hardware.

Thanks for the great job!

Yi Sun

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Jun 4, 2010, 1:41:34 PM6/4/10
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All,
First, sorry for not being active on the development work for a long
time. I changed my job a few months ago, so I did not get much of my
time to work on this. And I'm appreciate your offer on helping out
with the project. I hope I could restart the work on this project as
soon as I can squeeze out some free times. For noew,I have planed to
upgrade the gcc, I have done with the GCC but still need to complete
the binutil.
About the how to contribute, since this is a very open project so same
as the Linux, you can just start with testing and pick up an issue you
found to fix it, when you have a fix, send us the patch, we could
grand you the repo access after the review.

Please let me know if you have other suggestions.
Thx
Yi

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mango

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Jun 4, 2010, 1:49:17 PM6/4/10
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I'm glad to see Chin-wei replies. People have various reasons to come
and left, just like they come and left companies still paying, I
generally learned not to worry about things we can't control.
I myself come and left because downloaded source cannot be built. May
be it is incomplete or still needs certain version of android code, I
don't fully understand the web content. One developer told me he
broken it yet I can't find fix, another said I use wrong steps and not
told me what's wrong - makes me feel he doesn't like to told me - my
feeling may not be correct as he may be busy - and I see people post
ques on Internet yet not solutions when he got - variously on the
world and we can't bother them.
I feel, an unbuildable code of this project blocks many potential
contributors, especially when I see update is only on ISO.
I use other android codes and they work fine - Hioeu T. Tran who work
on mips-android helps a lot. I strongly recommended android-x86
publish complete source code like mips-android, so people can just
download and build. I don't know what "upstream" exactly mean and how
to resolve the conflict, nor can identify what part of text is build
message or people's comment - the web content needs to be very
correct.

Chih-Wei Huang

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Jun 6, 2010, 11:52:22 PM6/6/10
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2010/6/3 Evgeny Goldin <evg...@gmail.com>:

> Anyway, I was wondering what does it mean to help you guys?
> What knowledge does it require?
> If there's someone willing to contribute to the project - what kind of
> activities will he be taking upon?

We need developers. Experiences on linux and
android porting is a plus.

Here is an incomplete todo list:
* fix wifi issue on eclair-x86
* upgrade to kernel 2.6.32 (Google's branch)
* fix master branch build broken
* fix bluetooth on eclair-x86
* add more targets, especially for vm
* implement the hardware opengl acceleration for eclair-x86

If you are interesting to do any of them,
feel free to drop a notification to the list
(to avoid duplicate work)
and send us the patches once you've done.

Next week I'll have a long holiday.
I'll try to address some of these issues.
But don't expect too much.
I don't know how much time my wife and daughters will give me.

We also need maintainers of website and blog
who are familiar with the usage of android-x86
(and probably android phone)
and follow the project closely to be aware of
the progress of this project.

> Also, how much time does it usually take to Google to open-source the code
> after they release a new version?

Usually one month later.

ThyMYthOS

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Jun 7, 2010, 4:38:47 AM6/7/10
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On 7 Jun., 05:52, Chih-Wei Huang <cwhu...@android-x86.org> wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Evgeny Goldin <evge...@gmail.com>:
> Here is an incomplete todo list:
> * fix wifi issue on eclair-x86
> * upgrade to kernel 2.6.32 (Google's branch)
> * fix master branch build broken
> * fix bluetooth on eclair-x86
> * add more targets, especially for vm
> * implement the hardware opengl acceleration for eclair-x86

I would like to address the VM targets (mainly VirtualBox). Maybe also
the opengl stuff (Nvidia support if possible), but I need some advise
where to start off.

Regards,
Manuel

gabriele vidali

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Jun 7, 2010, 6:26:41 PM6/7/10
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i guess android met the mobile world which is made of infinite hw pieces and everybody works on its pieces to sell it and get money from it
x86 world is too large and android on x86 is just a media center ++

Gabriele Vidali



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TanGU

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Jun 9, 2010, 12:51:51 PM6/9/10
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That would be nice to play with the 2.1 version so i can test the new
Adobe Reader that Adobe release 2 weeks ago :)
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