> On May 4, 10:58 am, Incognito <androind...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> This seems like a lot of work. Why don't we start by biilding phones
>> that are atractive and go from there .
> # 7 Target Phones to different Groups. Nokia build their whole
> business on this concept I believe.
> - juan
>> On May 4, 2009, at 10:20 AM, jtaylor <jatto....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 1. Do what it can't do, augmented reality, etc.
>> > 2. Give phones away free or cheaply.
>> > 3. 50 Cent Apps.
>> > 4. Hit hard with Social.
>> > 5. Be Faster.
>> > 6. Be more Responsive.
>> > 7. Target Phones to different Groups.
>> > 8. Accentuate Voice Calling for voice-centric subscribers.
>> > 9. Have subscribers get excited about building their own 'Android
>> > Applets'.
I don't have an Android phone yet, but I'm reading this group because
I plan to buy one when my current contract expires in about six weeks.
I think the magic vs. G1 thing sort of shows why Android is better --
you can choose whether you want a keyboard or not. The iPhone is
beautiful, and honestly the people at Apple who make the choices for
you do a great job. But still, someone else is choosing for you.
I've been using Linux for a long time, since the early 90's. I started
because it was free as in beer -- I wanted to learn about Unix, and I
didn't have access to a Sun workstation. But over time the value of
real freedom becomes apparent.
My argument here isn't that you can say to someone, "Buy this phone
because it's about freedom!" Everyone who runs Linux knows that
doesn't work. My argument is that freedom produces real benefits, and
those benefits will turn into competitive advantages for Android over
time.
My 14 month old iPod touch's battery died -- the case is sealed and I
can't fix it myself. Apple wanted *$200* to give me a refurbed model
instead of the one I have. A company in Texas did it for me for $20,
plus shipping. Apple gouges people because they can get away with it
-- because the system is closed. That's why the system is closed. A
friend has a Mac mini, and the CD-ROM drive died -- $299!
A G1 isn't as sexy as an iPhone. But it's a lot more open. Everyone
knows about the software, but even the hardware is better. You can
buy a new battery and drop it in. You can buy a memory card. Etc.
I'm going to buy an Android partly because I want to control my data
-- I want to sync music and photos with my Linux desktop. But mostly,
I think the cell industry is set up so that customers are at a fairly
serious disadvantage with respect to the phone companies. Buying
Android isn't a perfect response to that, but it's something I can
do. I want to support people who are trying to support me.
I know that most people don't see it this way. But I'll get a phone
and an account with T-Mobile, and HTC and the telco will add my
support to the support of the rest of you. Hopefully it will be
enough and they'll decide to continue on. If they do, the software
will just get better and more people will come on board. Eventually
we'll form a critical mass.
Again, I've been running Linux for a long time. And for years, people
have talked about beating Windows. I don't care about that, which is
lucky, because it never happens. I just want to do what I want to do,
and for there not to be things in the way (things like not having
hardware drivers, or my bank's web site not working, etc.).
I don't care if Android beats the iPhone. I just want it to do what I
want my phone to do. If someone else wants to buy a $300 iPhone, and
a $70 extended warranty so they're covered when the battery dies, and
then hope that Apple will approve the apps they want, more power to
them.
I just want it to do what I want. I'm pretty sure it will.
Very nicely put Alex. I have sent your comment to several open source
users. You have succintly articulated a well focused reason why we are
linux, android, rockbox, unlocked or what ever. Thanks.
On May 5, 1:17 pm, Alex S <astra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have an Android phone yet, but I'm reading this group because
> I plan to buy one when my current contract expires in about six weeks.
....
> I just want it to do what I want. I'm pretty sure it will.
I enjoyed your dialogue that relates to our California group, APAL. We
are interested in the use of inexpensive handsets with new wifi that
can be used around the world for info & education. Our initial Android
app will be released as soon as we decide on update system from
Market.
On May 6, 8:49 am, MIsterque <mobileh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very nicely put Alex. I have sent your comment to several open source
> users. You have succintly articulated a well focused reason why we are
> linux, android, rockbox, unlocked or what ever. Thanks.
> On May 5, 1:17 pm, Alex S <astra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't have an Android phone yet, but I'm reading this group because
> > I plan to buy one when my current contract expires in about six weeks.
> ....
> > I just want it to do what I want. I'm pretty sure it will.- Hide quoted text -
> I don't have an Android phone yet, but I'm reading this group because
> I plan to buy one when my current contract expires in about six weeks.
> I think the magic vs. G1 thing sort of shows why Android is better --
> you can choose whether you want a keyboard or not. The iPhone is
> beautiful, and honestly the people at Apple who make the choices for
> you do a great job. But still, someone else is choosing for you.
> I've been using Linux for a long time, since the early 90's. I started
> because it was free as in beer -- I wanted to learn about Unix, and I
> didn't have access to a Sun workstation. But over time the value of
> real freedom becomes apparent.
> My argument here isn't that you can say to someone, "Buy this phone
> because it's about freedom!" Everyone who runs Linux knows that
> doesn't work. My argument is that freedom produces real benefits, and
> those benefits will turn into competitive advantages for Android over
> time.
> My 14 month old iPod touch's battery died -- the case is sealed and I
> can't fix it myself. Apple wanted *$200* to give me a refurbed model
> instead of the one I have. A company in Texas did it for me for $20,
> plus shipping. Apple gouges people because they can get away with it
> -- because the system is closed. That's why the system is closed. A
> friend has a Mac mini, and the CD-ROM drive died -- $299!
> A G1 isn't as sexy as an iPhone. But it's a lot more open. Everyone
> knows about the software, but even the hardware is better. You can
> buy a new battery and drop it in. You can buy a memory card. Etc.
> I'm going to buy an Android partly because I want to control my data
> -- I want to sync music and photos with my Linux desktop. But mostly,
> I think the cell industry is set up so that customers are at a fairly
> serious disadvantage with respect to the phone companies. Buying
> Android isn't a perfect response to that, but it's something I can
> do. I want to support people who are trying to support me.
> I know that most people don't see it this way. But I'll get a phone
> and an account with T-Mobile, and HTC and the telco will add my
> support to the support of the rest of you. Hopefully it will be
> enough and they'll decide to continue on. If they do, the software
> will just get better and more people will come on board. Eventually
> we'll form a critical mass.
> Again, I've been running Linux for a long time. And for years, people
> have talked about beating Windows. I don't care about that, which is
> lucky, because it never happens. I just want to do what I want to do,
> and for there not to be things in the way (things like not having
> hardware drivers, or my bank's web site not working, etc.).
> I don't care if Android beats the iPhone. I just want it to do what I
> want my phone to do. If someone else wants to buy a $300 iPhone, and
> a $70 extended warranty so they're covered when the battery dies, and
> then hope that Apple will approve the apps they want, more power to
> them.
> I just want it to do what I want. I'm pretty sure it will.
Quite frankly, looking at Android 1.5 - it was really a Surprise. It
will definitely surpass IPhone at Android 2.0 (figuratively).
Through the power of Open Source? I think most of all because
different players want it to succeed and the OEM (especially the
Carriers) pretty much have no choice, it's time to play the game. So
it really has to be Open Source to deal with all these players to have
a free and open environment and cooperation at the same time. That's
enough for a slow but sure build that a Company like Apple could never
compete with.
- juan
On May 9, 7:52 pm, jtaylor <jatto....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess if it's Good, then it will be Popular as well. Throwing in
> Cheap or Free isn't going to make that much
> difference I guess.
> - juan
> On May 5, 1:17 pm, Alex S <astra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't have an Android phone yet, but I'm reading this group because
> > I plan to buy one when my current contract expires in about six weeks.
> > I think the magic vs. G1 thing sort of shows why Android is better --
> > you can choose whether you want a keyboard or not. The iPhone is
> > beautiful, and honestly the people at Apple who make the choices for
> > you do a great job. But still, someone else is choosing for you.
> > I've been using Linux for a long time, since the early 90's. I started
> > because it was free as in beer -- I wanted to learn about Unix, and I
> > didn't have access to a Sun workstation. But over time the value of
> > real freedom becomes apparent.
> > My argument here isn't that you can say to someone, "Buy this phone
> > because it's about freedom!" Everyone who runs Linux knows that
> > doesn't work. My argument is that freedom produces real benefits, and
> > those benefits will turn into competitive advantages for Android over
> > time.
> > My 14 month old iPod touch's battery died -- the case is sealed and I
> > can't fix it myself. Apple wanted *$200* to give me a refurbed model
> > instead of the one I have. A company in Texas did it for me for $20,
> > plus shipping. Apple gouges people because they can get away with it
> > -- because the system is closed. That's why the system is closed. A
> > friend has a Mac mini, and the CD-ROM drive died -- $299!
> > A G1 isn't as sexy as an iPhone. But it's a lot more open. Everyone
> > knows about the software, but even the hardware is better. You can
> > buy a new battery and drop it in. You can buy a memory card. Etc.
> > I'm going to buy an Android partly because I want to control my data
> > -- I want to sync music and photos with my Linux desktop. But mostly,
> > I think the cell industry is set up so that customers are at a fairly
> > serious disadvantage with respect to the phone companies. Buying
> > Android isn't a perfect response to that, but it's something I can
> > do. I want to support people who are trying to support me.
> > I know that most people don't see it this way. But I'll get a phone
> > and an account with T-Mobile, and HTC and the telco will add my
> > support to the support of the rest of you. Hopefully it will be
> > enough and they'll decide to continue on. If they do, the software
> > will just get better and more people will come on board. Eventually
> > we'll form a critical mass.
> > Again, I've been running Linux for a long time. And for years, people
> > have talked about beating Windows. I don't care about that, which is
> > lucky, because it never happens. I just want to do what I want to do,
> > and for there not to be things in the way (things like not having
> > hardware drivers, or my bank's web site not working, etc.).
> > I don't care if Android beats the iPhone. I just want it to do what I
> > want my phone to do. If someone else wants to buy a $300 iPhone, and
> > a $70 extended warranty so they're covered when the battery dies, and
> > then hope that Apple will approve the apps they want, more power to
> > them.
> > I just want it to do what I want. I'm pretty sure it will.
