We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
your private download site. This will be the last build released for
ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
application under.
In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
Thanks!
Android Developer Challenge Team
-- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
> We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> application under.
> In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> Thanks!
> Android Developer Challenge Team
> -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
> LOL, I got excited when I saw this email, but I'm guessing it was
> mistakenly sent to losers. Unless now they're just taunting us for
> sport.
> -seni
> On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just got this message --
> > ADC Entrants,
> > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> > your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> > application under.
> > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> > Thanks!
> > Android Developer Challenge Team
> > -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
> On Jul 15, 1:16 am, Seni Sangrujee <sangru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > LOL, I got excited when I saw this email, but I'm guessing it was
> > mistakenly sent to losers. Unless now they're just taunting us for
> > sport.
> > -seni
> > On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just got this message --
> > > ADC Entrants,
> > > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> > > your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> > > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> > > application under.
> > > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> > > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> but it says "entrants" not "finalists". Anyway it still looks like an
> mistake, as I also cannot guess what they mean with "private download
> site".
> On Jul 15, 1:59 pm, plusminus <stoeps...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > xD
> > On Jul 15, 1:16 am, Seni Sangrujee <sangru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > LOL, I got excited when I saw this email, but I'm guessing it was
> > > mistakenly sent to losers. Unless now they're just taunting us for
> > > sport.
> > > -seni
> > > On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Just got this message --
> > > > ADC Entrants,
> > > > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> > > > your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> > > > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> > > > application under.
> > > > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> > > > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
Wonder how many of us would have actually gotten behind Android if we
knew that they were going to only cater to the top 50. Definitely feel
betrayed....
On Jul 15, 10:07 am, Ken Adair <kadai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Got the same email, talk about adding fuel to the fire...
> On Jul 15, 8:01 am, plusminus <stoeps...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > but it says "entrants" not "finalists". Anyway it still looks like an
> > mistake, as I also cannot guess what they mean with "private download
> > site".
> > On Jul 15, 1:59 pm, plusminus <stoeps...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > xD
> > > On Jul 15, 1:16 am, Seni Sangrujee <sangru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > LOL, I got excited when I saw this email, but I'm guessing it was
> > > > mistakenly sent to losers. Unless now they're just taunting us for
> > > > sport.
> > > > -seni
> > > > On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Just got this message --
> > > > > ADC Entrants,
> > > > > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> > > > > your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> > > > > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> > > > > application under.
> > > > > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> > > > > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
I don't think it's anything to worry about, and probably a good thing in the long run. Google has selected a small group of very committed Android developers to help them test the SDK and get it to a final release.
Obviously the people in the top 50 of the Challenge are those that have really figured out Android, and their feedback will be much more valuable than the feedback from the community at large. Narrowing the group down to them until the final release helps to focus resources.
Personally, I have focused on design of my app, and not coding until I see the final release, so it fits in with my plans perfectly :). Anyone doing coding now has to expect to redo their code with every release they want their app to run on, and I don't have the time to do that anyway.
Sincerely,
Brad Gies ------------------------------------- NLM Software Southfield, MI, USA -------------------------------------
If you get today's work done today, but do it in a way that you can't possibly get tomorrow's work done tomorrow, then you lose.
> -----Original Message----- > From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android- > discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Adair > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:14 AM > To: Android Discuss > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Final SDK build available (84853) deadline > extended to Tuesday, August 5
> Wonder how many of us would have actually gotten behind Android if we > knew that they were going to only cater to the top 50. Definitely feel > betrayed....
> On Jul 15, 10:07 am, Ken Adair <kadai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Got the same email, talk about adding fuel to the fire...
> > On Jul 15, 8:01 am, plusminus <stoeps...@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > but it says "entrants" not "finalists". Anyway it still looks like an > > > mistake, as I also cannot guess what they mean with "private download > > > site".
> > > > On Jul 15, 1:16 am, Seni Sangrujee <sangru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > LOL, I got excited when I saw this email, but I'm guessing it was > > > > > mistakenly sent to losers. Unless now they're just taunting us for > > > > > sport.
> > > > > -seni
> > > > > On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Just got this message --
> > > > > > ADC Entrants,
> > > > > > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available > on > > > > > > your private download site. This will be the last build released > for > > > > > > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your > final > > > > > > application under.
> > > > > > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to > Tuesday, > > > > > > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> > > > > > -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
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I agree that those in the top 50 will add some very beneficial
feedback. However, I think it's silly to think those top 50 have some
superior understanding of Android. I have seen a few other
applications that didn't make it into the top 50 that were much more
complex and entertaining to boot. We don't know why Google selected
the winners they did. I'm sure there were underlying business concerns
involved and not just the complexity or quality of an application.
Obviously the winners have a leg up now and I'm sure they know much
more than the rest of us, but that's all because of Google.
Anyways, I don't think the biggest issue here is who has and doesn't
have access to the SDK. I think the main issue here is communication
or lack there of. Google embraced the development community and touted
how they were going to build this platform with the help of the
development community. Somewhere along the lines this "seemed" to
change. I say seemed because this could have always been part of
Google's strategy.
The problem is they have failed to nurture the relationship with the
development community. They have cut them off from the information
that was once flowing and left them to speculate and wonder. In
response, you are seeing many that feel cheated and betrayed. Google
can fix this before it's too late, but they need to act quickly. It's
ALL about communication.
On Jul 15, 10:58 am, "Gies,Brad" <bg...@nlmi.com> wrote:
> I don't think it's anything to worry about, and probably a good thing in the long run. Google has selected a small group of very committed Android developers to help them test the SDK and get it to a final release.
> Obviously the people in the top 50 of the Challenge are those that have really figured out Android, and their feedback will be much more valuable than the feedback from the community at large. Narrowing the group down to them until the final release helps to focus resources.
> Personally, I have focused on design of my app, and not coding until I see the final release, so it fits in with my plans perfectly :). Anyone doing coding now has to expect to redo their code with every release they want their app to run on, and I don't have the time to do that anyway.
> If you get today's work done today, but do it in a way that you can't possibly get tomorrow's work done tomorrow, then you lose.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-
> > discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Adair
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:14 AM
> > To: Android Discuss
> > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Final SDK build available (84853) deadline
> > extended to Tuesday, August 5
> > Wonder how many of us would have actually gotten behind Android if we
> > knew that they were going to only cater to the top 50. Definitely feel
> > betrayed....
> > On Jul 15, 10:07 am, Ken Adair <kadai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Got the same email, talk about adding fuel to the fire...
> > > > but it says "entrants" not "finalists". Anyway it still looks like an
> > > > mistake, as I also cannot guess what they mean with "private download
> > > > site".
> > > > > On Jul 15, 1:16 am, Seni Sangrujee <sangru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > LOL, I got excited when I saw this email, but I'm guessing it was
> > > > > > mistakenly sent to losers. Unless now they're just taunting us for
> > > > > > sport.
> > > > > > -seni
> > > > > > On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Just got this message --
> > > > > > > ADC Entrants,
> > > > > > > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available
> > on
> > > > > > > your private download site. This will be the last build released
> > for
> > > > > > > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your
> > final
> > > > > > > application under.
> > > > > > > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to
> > Tuesday,
> > > > > > > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> > > > > > > -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
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> On Jul 14, 3:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just got this message --
> > ADC Entrants,
> > We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on > > your private download site. This will be the last build released for > > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final > > application under.
> > In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday, > > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> > Thanks! > > Android Developer Challenge Team
> > -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
-----Original Message----- From: YA [mailto:yuri.ammo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:05 PM To: Android Discuss Subject: [android-discuss] Final SDK build available (84853) deadline
extended to Tuesday, August 5
Just got this message --
ADC Entrants,
We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on your private download site. This will be the last build released for ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final application under.
In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday, August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
Thanks! Android Developer Challenge Team
-- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
I got the same email. I'm guessing that the email was intended for
ADC Round 2 entrants because
1. There's no need to notify the extension to others. Sure, it's
interesting for us to know, but we don't have a *need* to know.
2. I'm not aware of any "private download site" either. However,
previous posts suggest that Round 1 winners will have private access
to the latest SDK.
Of course, I could be wrong and there really is a private download
site for all entrants.
John P.
On Jul 14, 6:05 pm, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> application under.
> In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> Thanks!
> Android Developer Challenge Team
> -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
> We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on
> your private download site. This will be the last build released for
> ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final
> application under.
> In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday,
> August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> Thanks!
> Android Developer Challenge Team
> -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Gies,Brad <bg...@nlmi.com> wrote: > Google has selected a small group of very committed Android developers to > help them test the SDK and get it to a final release.
Winners do not necessarily mean they are very committed. There are quite some companies in the winner list, and they do not ONLY focus on Android. The Weather Channel has J2ME, Brew, and you bet, iPhone software.
Also, does this imply the rest of us are not "very committed"? There are in fact many many "loosers" in this group answering questions and basically contributing, e.g. plusminus, mark, etc. I have yet to see winners participate in the group as enthusiast as those guys, except Muthu.
Obviously the people in the top 50 of the Challenge are those that have
> really figured out Android, and their feedback will be much more valuable > than the feedback from the community at large.
This is very long. I'm pretty sure you haven't seen DUO or Enkin or some other great stuff that just didn't make it to the top 50. Look at iPhone app store, games are a dominant mobile software category. However, Android top 50 has NO games. You think doing a map overlay is more difficult than doing an Open GL ES 3D racing game??
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 3:05 PM, YA <yuri.ammo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just got this message --
> ADC Entrants,
> We're pleased to announce that SDK build 84853 is now available on > your private download site. This will be the last build released for > ADC Round 2 and is the build that you will need to submit your final > application under.
> In addition, the final ADC deadline has been extended to Tuesday, > August 5. This is the final ADC deadline.
> Thanks! > Android Developer Challenge Team
> -- but where is this private download site? Anyone has a link?
I'm just happy to hear about a "FINAL" sdk, now we (the non finalist)
know that the sdk isn't anymore in beta testing and you will be able
to release it very quickly to everyone!
I'm not an expert in communication but I think it's much more annoying
for Google and the Android team than for us...
On 15 juil, 20:27, "David McLaughlin (Android Advocate)"
Google's secrecy would have most likely received a much different
response should they have started out this way. The problem is when
you provide the SDK along with bundles of information to thousands of
developers, eliciting their help and feedback along the way you set a
certain level of exceptions. It is much harder to take something away
than it is to have never have given it.
I still have the utmost respect for Google and the Android team, but
this was a huge oversight on their part. I only hope that they realize
the stress and hardship they have put on those who have supported them
the most. Let's hope they respond quickly with some much needed
direction.
Sadly, if Google said they were to release the SDK tomorrow, I just wouldn't care anymore. Google is closed; Google is the status quo in mobile; Google is not really even a leader anymore, they are following Apple. What's really changed? Another mobile platform? More fragmented market? The carriers get a free operating system built on the hard work of the open-source community. Good for them.
We already have CDC and CLDC platforms if we want to do Java, with a market that already exists.
These threads make me feel like Al Pacino: "Every time I try to get out, they keep pulling me back in"...
Shane Isbell wrote: > Google is closed
A drop of much of the source code is available in a repository and in tarballs. It runs on Linux. It has a free (pre-alpha) SDK. People have been able to take it and get it running on a variety of unsupported hardware, such as the Nokia N800/N810.
On the open spectrum, today, it is more open than Apple, Microsoft, Blackberry, or even Symbian. It is less open today than LiMo and OpenMoko. If -- *if* -- they keep their promises, it'll be as open as LiMo and OpenMoko by year's end. With luck, Symbian will wind up this open as well.
It is definitely more closed -- today -- than it was a few months ago. That is definitely worthy of angst and anger, but only to a point.
> Google is not really even a leader anymore, they are following > Apple.
Android is following lots of people: Apple on the sizzle side, LiMo/OpenMoko on the free side.
Depending on your belief in the latter two platforms, Android *might* be the longer-term leader in free, if it can use the energy from the sizzle to be a "playa" bigger than LiMo or OpenMoko. It's even conceivable they could wind up the leader in sizzle too -- just because *we* don't see progress doesn't mean progress isn't happening.
> More fragmented market?
That barn door's been open for years. If you're looking for a monoculture, try the desktop PC marketplace on for size.
> The carriers get a free operating system built on the hard work > of the open-source community.
If you mean Linux, Android isn't the first or only Linux-based mobile phone OS, and it probably won't be the last.
> We already have CDC and CLDC platforms if we want to do Java, with a > market that already exists.
Considering that Microsoft doesn't like CDC/CLDC, and Apple doesn't like CDC/CLDC, and Android's given no indication of liking CDC/CLDC, and I don't see any CDC/CLDC activity with LiMo or OpenMoko, I'm not too bullish on CDC/CLDC. But, hey, I've definitely been wrong before.
---------------------
Android is making a series of related mis-steps here, from the private SDK releases to the lack of communication. Somebody, somewhere, needs to be fired, or worse, needs to let me rip them a new one. If Android fizzles, which is entirely possible, this whole mess will be one of the bullet points as to why.
And, if Android is able to carve out a significant chunk of the market, few will remember this fiasco in four years' time, other than a general sense of unease whenever symptoms like we're seeing now happen to pop up.
In this respect, Android is going through some of the same stumbles that Netscape did when they "released" Mozilla (big code dump, diddly-squat for support), or when Sun released OpenOffice.org (big code dump, license soup, mixed messages from management), or IBM did when it released Eclipse (big code dump, general sense of "uh, now what?"). Those projects went on to be successes, by most measures.
Of course, the same stumbles befell Real Networks with the release of Helix (big code dump, godawful license I have the shame of being involved with), SAP with the release of SAP DB (big code dump, little community building), and so on. There is no way to determine, here and now, how this will play out for Android.
The only thing I know for certain is that rehashing the same complaints again and again and again won't exactly help Android's cause any. Given the press coverage to date, I feel fairly certain that the "we're <bleep>ing unhappy" message has made it up the Mountain (View). Maybe they'll respond now, maybe they'll stay the course until the ADC wraps in three weeks, or until the product ships in a few months.
Zero days, three weeks, three months -- none of it really makes much difference. Any, perhaps all, open source communities are marathons, not sprints. As for me, I'm just staying limber.
-- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com Warescription: All titles, revisions, & ebook formats, just $35/year
I was looking for a change of the mobile ecosystem, with Google's leadership. But what we have is the same old, closed mobile ecosystem. It looks the same as Sprint J2ME developer's program back in 2002, generate a bunch of excitement from developers and once there were some initial apps, Sprint choose their vendors and the support went completely silent on the forums. The mindset is the same. And yes, J2ME (CDC/CLDC) did very well. Good for those on the inside track, miserable for the individual developer.
Don't get me wrong. If I were Google, I may do the same thing, focus all resources on getting the device out the door. But I'm not Google, I'm a developer, sitting there feeling cheated, lured into what seemed to be a thriving community before Google cut it off at the knees. What do I care if Google gets out a device in QIV of this year or QI of the next, if I'm on the outside, waiting, wondering if this is really the new mobile ecosystem, when it reeks of the old.
I don't have some grudge against Google, they can do what they want but when their interests and mine don't align, then it's time to move on and find something else. If Google somehow changes things and I think it's worth it, I'll jump back in. And as for open-source projects being a marathon, perhaps that's true but running blindly forward hoping that one is running in the right race or in the right direction may not be the wisest course; and don't forget Pheidippides didn't live through his marathon.
Shane
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Mark Murphy <mmur...@commonsware.com> wrote:
> These threads make me feel like Al Pacino: "Every time I try to get out, > they keep pulling me back in"...
> Shane Isbell wrote: > > Google is closed
> A drop of much of the source code is available in a repository and in > tarballs. It runs on Linux. It has a free (pre-alpha) SDK. People have > been able to take it and get it running on a variety of unsupported > hardware, such as the Nokia N800/N810.
> On the open spectrum, today, it is more open than Apple, Microsoft, > Blackberry, or even Symbian. It is less open today than LiMo and > OpenMoko. If -- *if* -- they keep their promises, it'll be as open as > LiMo and OpenMoko by year's end. With luck, Symbian will wind up this > open as well.
> It is definitely more closed -- today -- than it was a few months ago. > That is definitely worthy of angst and anger, but only to a point.
> > Google is not really even a leader anymore, they are following > > Apple.
> Android is following lots of people: Apple on the sizzle side, > LiMo/OpenMoko on the free side.
> Depending on your belief in the latter two platforms, Android *might* be > the longer-term leader in free, if it can use the energy from the sizzle > to be a "playa" bigger than LiMo or OpenMoko. It's even conceivable they > could wind up the leader in sizzle too -- just because *we* don't see > progress doesn't mean progress isn't happening.
> > More fragmented market?
> That barn door's been open for years. If you're looking for a > monoculture, try the desktop PC marketplace on for size.
> > The carriers get a free operating system built on the hard work > > of the open-source community.
> If you mean Linux, Android isn't the first or only Linux-based mobile > phone OS, and it probably won't be the last.
> > We already have CDC and CLDC platforms if we want to do Java, with a > > market that already exists.
> Considering that Microsoft doesn't like CDC/CLDC, and Apple doesn't like > CDC/CLDC, and Android's given no indication of liking CDC/CLDC, and I > don't see any CDC/CLDC activity with LiMo or OpenMoko, I'm not too > bullish on CDC/CLDC. But, hey, I've definitely been wrong before.
> ---------------------
> Android is making a series of related mis-steps here, from the private > SDK releases to the lack of communication. Somebody, somewhere, needs to > be fired, or worse, needs to let me rip them a new one. If Android > fizzles, which is entirely possible, this whole mess will be one of the > bullet points as to why.
> And, if Android is able to carve out a significant chunk of the market, > few will remember this fiasco in four years' time, other than a general > sense of unease whenever symptoms like we're seeing now happen to pop up.
> In this respect, Android is going through some of the same stumbles that > Netscape did when they "released" Mozilla (big code dump, diddly-squat > for support), or when Sun released OpenOffice.org (big code dump, > license soup, mixed messages from management), or IBM did when it > released Eclipse (big code dump, general sense of "uh, now what?"). > Those projects went on to be successes, by most measures.
> Of course, the same stumbles befell Real Networks with the release of > Helix (big code dump, godawful license I have the shame of being > involved with), SAP with the release of SAP DB (big code dump, little > community building), and so on. There is no way to determine, here and > now, how this will play out for Android.
> The only thing I know for certain is that rehashing the same complaints > again and again and again won't exactly help Android's cause any. Given > the press coverage to date, I feel fairly certain that the "we're > <bleep>ing unhappy" message has made it up the Mountain (View). Maybe > they'll respond now, maybe they'll stay the course until the ADC wraps > in three weeks, or until the product ships in a few months.
> Zero days, three weeks, three months -- none of it really makes much > difference. Any, perhaps all, open source communities are marathons, not > sprints. As for me, I'm just staying limber.
> -- > Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) > http://commonsware.com > Warescription: All titles, revisions, & ebook formats, just $35/year
Shane Isbell wrote: > I was looking for a change of the mobile ecosystem, with Google's > leadership. But what we have is the same old, closed mobile ecosystem.
Odds are you're right. However, don't you think it's just a trifle early to make that a definitive claim? Seeing as how the ecosystem hasn't been launched yet? I mean, as much as the early community-building was slick and all, the gun doesn't truly sound until devices are ready, as far as I'm concerned.
> And yes, J2ME > (CDC/CLDC) did very well. Good for those on the inside track, miserable > for the individual developer.
I hear ya on the misery part. Complete with Kathy Bates and a sledgehammer, IIRC. ;-)
> But I'm not Google, I'm a > developer, sitting there feeling cheated, lured into what seemed to be a > thriving community before Google cut it off at the knees.
I'm certainly hoping this is an interregnum, and we'll be in position to raise the community anew shortly. But, I may be wrong, in which case I'll look upon 2008 as being a bit of a lost year. C'est la vie.
> I'm on the outside, waiting, wondering if this is really the new mobile > ecosystem, when it reeks of the old.
Simple: don't invest much in it just yet.
Early adopter-hood is not always a river of milk and honey. In fact, I suspect that more often than not, early adopter-hood is a whole lotta cow pies and bee stings first.
If things turn positive again, there will be plenty of room for all sorts of folk in the community. If it turns completely south, you won't be out much.
There will be some morons, like myself, who will try to double-down during the hard times and hope it pans out. There's all sorts of strategies for dealing with the situation.
Frankly, what gets my goat isn't the fact that people are jumping off the bandwagon, or even that they're announcing they're jumping off the bandwagon. It's that they are *repeatedly* announcing they're jumping off the bandwagon and thereby attack the bandwagon on their way to stage left.
> And as for open-source projects being a
> marathon, perhaps that's true but running blindly forward hoping that > one is running in the right race or in the right direction may not be > the wisest course;
As a wise man once said, "Sometimes, ya gotta roll the hard six."
Well, OK, a wise character on a TV show.
> and don't forget Pheidippides didn't live through his > marathon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those who don't learn from history are doomed to do something-or-another... ;-)
I'm not asking anyone to run the marathon who doesn't want to -- just don't toss caltrops into the road for those who run now and those who choose to run in the future.
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