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lets you stream over-the-air or download for later, and subscribe to
fresh content from your favorite feeds and searches. In short, Listen
helps organize the world of audio information and makes it easily
accessible anytime, anywhere.
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On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> discuss
Bad for the ecosystem.
What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
Challenge. They can basically fold.
Chalk one more up going down.
> On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > discuss
> Bad for the ecosystem.
> What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
> Challenge. They can basically fold.
> Chalk one more up going down.
> At least they could let everybody know what they are working on so we
> (independent devs) don't waste our time.
> On Aug 20, 5:43 pm, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > discuss
> > Bad for the ecosystem.
> > What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
> > Challenge. They can basically fold.
> > Chalk one more up going down.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:30 PM, RSTanvir <tanvircue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah,
> thats really bad.
> On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > At least they could let everybody know what they are working on so we
> > (independent devs) don't waste our time.
> > On Aug 20, 5:43 pm, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > discuss
> > > Bad for the ecosystem.
> > > What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
> > > Challenge. They can basically fold.
> > > Chalk one more up going down.
I've said it before, Google developing apps for android (or just putting their name to apps their employees develop in their spare time) is probably one of the worst things they can do for the ecosystem. (you can see the original thread at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8...).
Sometimes I get the feeling that Google sees Android developers more as a source of unpaid help and ideas than seeing us as partners in trying to make Android a success.
With my AndAppStore hat on it also bugs me that they don't look to help non-Market app directories even though we're serving companies and groups they don't (i.e. the ones who can't get the Google stamp of approval), they don't list their apps on 3rd party directories, the copy protection system is not open to third parties use, and market benefits from using APIs only available to system apps, all of which make it extremely difficult for third parties of offer a comparable compatible solution.
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From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RSTanvir
Sent: 21 August 2009 08:00
To: Android Discuss
Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
yeah,
thats really bad.
On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At least they could let everybody know what they are working on so we
> (independent devs) don't waste our time.
> On Aug 20, 5:43 pm, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > discuss
> > Bad for the ecosystem.
> > What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
> > Challenge. They can basically fold.
> > Chalk one more up going down.
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From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias Eisentraeger
Sent: 21 August 2009 08:05
To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
Podcast management system was badly needed. Way to go to put it in the cloud. International support, please.
---
Toby
On Aug 21, 2009 9:00 AM, "RSTanvir" <tanvircue...@gmail.com<mailto:tanvircue...@gmail.com>> wrote:
yeah,
thats really bad.
On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com<mailto:Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com>> wrote: > At least they could let everybody know...
There is most certainly room on Android for several apps that do the
same thing. It's already the case for many types of apps (file
managers, Home screen, "tower defense" games, etc.) Why not for
podcasts? Choice is good.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Al Sutton<a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> I've used Acast (http://sites.google.com/site/acastapp/) in the past, and
> I'd hate to see the developer shut up shop because of this.
> Now if I could only get them to list on AndAppStore….. :)
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> subsidiaries.
> From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias Eisentraeger
> Sent: 21 August 2009 08:05
> To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> Podcast management system was badly needed. Way to go to put it in the
> cloud. International support, please.
> ---
> Toby
> On Aug 21, 2009 9:00 AM, "RSTanvir" <tanvircue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah,
> thats really bad.
> On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote: > At least they
> could let everybody know...
-- Romain Guy
Android framework engineer
romain...@android.com
Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time
to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on
public forums, where I and others can see and answer them
Choice is good, but a lone developer or small group entering a field where Google is already competing is nigh on madness.
I agree that there are alternatives in fields that Google has entered, but the number of new products entering those fields drops significantly once Google enters the field, and downloads & updates on the existing alternatives seem to drop away as well.
I've nothing against Google engineers releasing apps into the market, my problem is letting those apps use the Google name & PR machine. Google has a brand identity that most users trust and is backed by millions of dollars of PR work, so most users will assume that Google has approved an app that uses its name and/or is promoted by its' PR machine, which gives the app an advantage that other groups can't compete with.
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From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Romain Guy
Sent: 21 August 2009 08:38
To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
There is most certainly room on Android for several apps that do the
same thing. It's already the case for many types of apps (file
managers, Home screen, "tower defense" games, etc.) Why not for
podcasts? Choice is good.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Al Sutton<a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> I've used Acast (http://sites.google.com/site/acastapp/) in the past, and
> I'd hate to see the developer shut up shop because of this.
> Now if I could only get them to list on AndAppStore... :)
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> subsidiaries.
> From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias Eisentraeger
> Sent: 21 August 2009 08:05
> To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> Podcast management system was badly needed. Way to go to put it in the
> cloud. International support, please.
> ---
> Toby
> On Aug 21, 2009 9:00 AM, "RSTanvir" <tanvircue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah,
> thats really bad.
> On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote: > At least they
> could let everybody know...
-- Romain Guy
Android framework engineer
romain...@android.com
Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time
to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on
public forums, where I and others can see and answer them
Al Sutton wrote: > Choice is good, but a lone developer or small group entering a field where Google is already competing is nigh on madness.
I can understand the pain, but whichever business you're in, there's always a risk of somebody with deeper pockets coming in and doing a better job. If not Google, somebody else. You just have to move/innovate faster than them (I guess, also a warning not to do a 'commodity app' like podcast software and hope to make money out of it).
I agree competition is a fact of life, but when a company says it's trying to encourage innovation, has control over the operating system, and then starts to put its name behind applications developed by its' people that, to me, looks more and more like Micro$ofts approach to DOS and Windows where innovative companies such as Lotus, WordPerfect, Ashton Tate (of DBase fame), etc., all ended up disappearing from the mainstream because of Microsofts products (Excel, Word, and Access/SQL Server in those specific cases).
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-----Original Message-----
From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Vamsee Kanakala
Sent: 21 August 2009 10:55
To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
Al Sutton wrote:
> Choice is good, but a lone developer or small group entering a field where Google is already competing is nigh on madness.
I can understand the pain, but whichever business you're in, there's always a risk of somebody with deeper pockets coming in and doing a better job. If not Google, somebody else. You just have to move/innovate faster than them (I guess, also a warning not to do a 'commodity app' like podcast software and hope to make money out of it).
In the long run, Google stokes the risk of limiting choice. You are
scaring away the independents that have the skill and are willing to
put in the effort to really try to leverage the platform capabilities.
We are all just getting started here.
On Aug 21, 12:38 am, Romain Guy <romain...@google.com> wrote:
> There is most certainly room on Android for several apps that do the
> same thing. It's already the case for many types of apps (file
> managers, Home screen, "tower defense" games, etc.) Why not for
> podcasts? Choice is good.
> I can understand the pain, but whichever business you're in, there's
> always a risk of somebody with deeper pockets coming in and doing a
> better job. If not Google, somebody else.
surely google can developed apps for android. and they should
developed.
but why they are declaring their apps now while a contest is running
where innovative idea matters ?
they could declare their apps before the contest begun or after the
contest.
what about those persons who are working on the idea for this GOOGLE
contest but all of a sudden they came to know that their opponent is
the GOOGLE itself.
and all their effort will surely go in vain.
its really painfull.
Google, you can't publish your apps during your own contest.
somebody can say about the submission site ???
On Aug 21, 7:37 pm, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 2:54 am, Vamsee Kanakala <vkanak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can understand the pain, but whichever business you're in, there's
> > always a risk of somebody with deeper pockets coming in and doing a
> > better job. If not Google, somebody else.
On Friday 21 August 2009 00:38:00 Romain Guy wrote:
> There is most certainly room on Android for several apps that do the > same thing. It's already the case for many types of apps (file > managers, Home screen, "tower defense" games, etc.) Why not for > podcasts? Choice is good.
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Al Sutton<a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote: > > I've used Acast (http://sites.google.com/site/acastapp/) in the past, > > and I'd hate to see the developer shut up shop because of this.
> > Now if I could only get them to list on AndAppStore….. :)
> > ====== > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's > > subsidiaries.
> > From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias > > Eisentraeger Sent: 21 August 2009 08:05 > > To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> > Podcast management system was badly needed. Way to go to put it in the > > cloud. International support, please.
> > --- > > Toby
> > On Aug 21, 2009 9:00 AM, "RSTanvir" <tanvircue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yeah, > > thats really bad.
> > On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote: > At least > > they could let everybody know...
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Kent Loobey <k...@uoregon.edu> wrote:
> On Friday 21 August 2009 00:38:00 Romain Guy wrote:
> > There is most certainly room on Android for several apps that do the
> > same thing. It's already the case for many types of apps (file
> > managers, Home screen, "tower defense" games, etc.) Why not for
> > podcasts? Choice is good.
> Agreed!
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Al Sutton<a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> > > I've used Acast (http://sites.google.com/site/acastapp/) in the past,
> > > and I'd hate to see the developer shut up shop because of this.
> > > Now if I could only get them to list on AndAppStore….. :)
> > > ======
> > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> > > subsidiaries.
> > > From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias
> > > Eisentraeger Sent: 21 August 2009 08:05
> > > To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> > > Podcast management system was badly needed. Way to go to put it in the
> > > cloud. International support, please.
> > > ---
> > > Toby
> > > On Aug 21, 2009 9:00 AM, "RSTanvir" <tanvircue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > yeah,
> > > thats really bad.
> > > On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote: > At least
> > > they could let everybody know...
Look. Here's one of the scenarios how Google's running a risk to botch
this:
In a couple of years or three, many of the devs who build these kind
of apps at Google will have moved on to the Next Big Thing. For lack
of maintenance, Google will then just let the go or open source them
with the idea that devs are eagerly waiting at the sidelines to pick
these up and perpetuate there existence. Well, ain't going to happen,
and the people maintaining competing apps that where smashed today
will have moved on to other things as well.
On Aug 21, 9:55 am, Kent Loobey <k...@uoregon.edu> wrote:
> On Friday 21 August 2009 00:38:00 Romain Guy wrote:
> > There is most certainly room on Android for several apps that do the
> > same thing. It's already the case for many types of apps (file
> > managers, Home screen, "tower defense" games, etc.) Why not for
> > podcasts? Choice is good.
> Agreed!
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Al Sutton<a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> > > I've used Acast (http://sites.google.com/site/acastapp/) in the past,
> > > and I'd hate to see the developer shut up shop because of this.
> > > Now if I could only get them to list on AndAppStore….. :)
> > > ======
> > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> > > subsidiaries.
> > > From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobias
> > > Eisentraeger Sent: 21 August 2009 08:05
> > > To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> > > Podcast management system was badly needed. Way to go to put it in the
> > > cloud. International support, please.
> > > ---
> > > Toby
> > > On Aug 21, 2009 9:00 AM, "RSTanvir" <tanvircue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > yeah,
> > > thats really bad.
> > > On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote: > At least
> > > they could let everybody know...
Generally speaking, being independent developer is not an excuse for
failure, and Google is certainly not to blame. You can be an independent and
compete with the big guys. Users don't blindly choose an application that
have Google or Microsoft next to its name. It's innovation what measures
success, not the name. There are many success stories, Firefox vs IE, Apache
vs IIS, YouTube vs Google Videos (which tells us that you could end up being
bought by one of the big companies). It doesn't matter if you're team of 100
developers or just one. Everyone knows the story of two guys from Stanford
behind a search engine called BackRub, look where they are now.
If you are innovative and have skills, you should use your skills to compete
with the big guys.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> I've said it before, Google developing apps for android (or just putting
> their name to apps their employees develop in their spare time) is probably
> one of the worst things they can do for the ecosystem. (you can see the
> original thread at
> http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8... > ).
> Sometimes I get the feeling that Google sees Android developers more as a
> source of unpaid help and ideas than seeing us as partners in trying to make
> Android a success.
> With my AndAppStore hat on it also bugs me that they don't look to help
> non-Market app directories even though we're serving companies and groups
> they don't (i.e. the ones who can't get the Google stamp of approval), they
> don't list their apps on 3rd party directories, the copy protection system
> is not open to third parties use, and market benefits from using APIs only
> available to system apps, all of which make it extremely difficult for third
> parties of offer a comparable compatible solution.
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> subsidiaries.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RSTanvir
> Sent: 21 August 2009 08:00
> To: Android Discuss
> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> yeah,
> thats really bad.
> On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > At least they could let everybody know what they are working on so we
> > (independent devs) don't waste our time.
> > On Aug 20, 5:43 pm, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > discuss
> > > Bad for the ecosystem.
> > > What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
> > > Challenge. They can basically fold.
> > > Chalk one more up going down.
Well, I go by "a man's got to know his limitations".
If it gets to the point where Google, Inc. squeezes into "my" space,
I'm out and spend my time on more sane pursuits. Maemo looks better
every day...
On Aug 21, 2:23 pm, Maan Najjar <maan.naj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Generally speaking, being independent developer is not an excuse for
> failure, and Google is certainly not to blame. You can be an independent and
> compete with the big guys. Users don't blindly choose an application that
> have Google or Microsoft next to its name. It's innovation what measures
> success, not the name. There are many success stories, Firefox vs IE, Apache
> vs IIS, YouTube vs Google Videos (which tells us that you could end up being
> bought by one of the big companies). It doesn't matter if you're team of 100
> developers or just one. Everyone knows the story of two guys from Stanford
> behind a search engine called BackRub, look where they are now.
> If you are innovative and have skills, you should use your skills to compete
> with the big guys.
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> > I've said it before, Google developing apps for android (or just putting
> > their name to apps their employees develop in their spare time) is probably
> > one of the worst things they can do for the ecosystem. (you can see the
> > original thread at
> >http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/8...
> > ).
> > Sometimes I get the feeling that Google sees Android developers more as a
> > source of unpaid help and ideas than seeing us as partners in trying to make
> > Android a success.
> > With my AndAppStore hat on it also bugs me that they don't look to help
> > non-Market app directories even though we're serving companies and groups
> > they don't (i.e. the ones who can't get the Google stamp of approval), they
> > don't list their apps on 3rd party directories, the copy protection system
> > is not open to third parties use, and market benefits from using APIs only
> > available to system apps, all of which make it extremely difficult for third
> > parties of offer a comparable compatible solution.
> > ======
> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> > subsidiaries.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RSTanvir
> > Sent: 21 August 2009 08:00
> > To: Android Discuss
> > Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> > yeah,
> > thats really bad.
> > On Aug 21, 6:46 am, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > At least they could let everybody know what they are working on so we
> > > (independent devs) don't waste our time.
> > > On Aug 20, 5:43 pm, JP <Joachim.Pfeif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Aug 20, 1:52 pm, Matt Kanninen <mathias...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > discuss
> > > > Bad for the ecosystem.
> > > > What if an independent team was working on this, say for the App
> > > > Challenge. They can basically fold.
> > > > Chalk one more up going down.
with this reasoning there would be no other media player then windows media player on windows computers, but clearly that is not the case, and they even ship it with windows and their os is not opensource so they can possibly use things that other developers can not get access to.
Er... name a major media player that is native to windows. (Winamp
counts, but only barely - they came in at a time when WMP didn't
handle mp3s, playlists,libraries, etc. And even they lost to iTunes in
the end.)
Mplayer? Linux. VLC? Solaris (iirc), then linux. Etc.
Google competing with you on their home turf is a very BAD thing, no
matter how you look at it. (And several of their apps have system
permissions, so they at least can do things you can't - not least of
which is automatic signup by using the google account info instead of
making you fill out another form. I'd need to spend some time with
dismali to see if they're taking unfair advantage otherwise.)
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Jesper Lundgren<koudel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> with this reasoning there would be no other media player then windows media
> player on windows computers, but clearly that is not the case, and they even
> ship it with windows and their os is not opensource so they can possibly use
> things that other developers can not get access to.
VLC has by far most users on windows ( there is no download for solaris, and
just recently someone put together a script that made it compile with
reasonable ease on opensolaris...). the point is, sure most users might use
google, but it's impossible to make an application that appeals to everyone
and that leaves room for other developers. It has to be remembered that
googles PR machine is drawing lots of users to the platform, and that will
benefit everyone So if google didn't put out some solid apps to the platform
it would it would make it look less interesting for the consumer, and there
would be less users for everyone.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Disconnect <dc.disconn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Er... name a major media player that is native to windows. (Winamp
> counts, but only barely - they came in at a time when WMP didn't
> handle mp3s, playlists,libraries, etc. And even they lost to iTunes in
> the end.)
> Mplayer? Linux. VLC? Solaris (iirc), then linux. Etc.
> Google competing with you on their home turf is a very BAD thing, no
> matter how you look at it. (And several of their apps have system
> permissions, so they at least can do things you can't - not least of
> which is automatic signup by using the google account info instead of
> making you fill out another form. I'd need to spend some time with
> dismali to see if they're taking unfair advantage otherwise.)
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Jesper Lundgren<koudel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > with this reasoning there would be no other media player then windows
> media
> > player on windows computers, but clearly that is not the case, and they
> even
> > ship it with windows and their os is not opensource so they can possibly
> use
> > things that other developers can not get access to.
So from what you're saying Google will make an app that appeals to most consumers and leave developers to pick up whatever's left.
That's not a strategy that’s' going to draw in developers and provide the consumer-attracting breadth of applications that the iPhone.
If Googles developers want to work on apps then let them, but they should be on a level playing field and so shouldn't get to use the Google name or PR machine, and if Google wanted to get the engineers to do something users want then starting to work on (and feed back into) the bugs list at b.android.com in the order of most starred first.
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From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesper Lundgren
Sent: 23 August 2009 00:26
To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
VLC has by far most users on windows ( there is no download for solaris, and just recently someone put together a script that made it compile with reasonable ease on opensolaris...). the point is, sure most users might use google, but it's impossible to make an application that appeals to everyone and that leaves room for other developers. It has to be remembered that googles PR machine is drawing lots of users to the platform, and that will benefit everyone So if google didn't put out some solid apps to the platform it would it would make it look less interesting for the consumer, and there would be less users for everyone.
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Disconnect <dc.disconn...@gmail.com<mailto:dc.disconn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Er... name a major media player that is native to windows. (Winamp
counts, but only barely - they came in at a time when WMP didn't
handle mp3s, playlists,libraries, etc. And even they lost to iTunes in
the end.)
Mplayer? Linux. VLC? Solaris (iirc), then linux. Etc.
Google competing with you on their home turf is a very BAD thing, no
matter how you look at it. (And several of their apps have system
permissions, so they at least can do things you can't - not least of
which is automatic signup by using the google account info instead of
making you fill out another form. I'd need to spend some time with
dismali to see if they're taking unfair advantage otherwise.)
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Jesper Lundgren<koudel...@gmail.com<mailto:koudel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> with this reasoning there would be no other media player then windows media
> player on windows computers, but clearly that is not the case, and they even
> ship it with windows and their os is not opensource so they can possibly use
> things that other developers can not get access to.
Google is playing with developers. Only developers from few countries
can submit paid applications... That is great for Google because they
an say to people buying phones with Android OS that more than 60% of
all applications is free. Great for marketing... They don't care if
you will invest few months and then just be able to publish app for
free. And now when Google developers get paid for developing Android
apps is...
I started with Android a long time ago... liked when it was announced
but today I know people that are selling their apps on iPhone while
the only thing I can say is that maybe in future I will sell my app...
If in the meanwhile Google engineers don't make the same one...
On Aug 23, 9:22 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> So from what you're saying Google will make an app that appeals to most consumers and leave developers to pick up whatever's left.
> That's not a strategy that’s' going to draw in developers and provide the consumer-attracting breadth of applications that the iPhone.
> If Googles developers want to work on apps then let them, but they should be on a level playing field and so shouldn't get to use the Google name or PR machine, and if Google wanted to get the engineers to do something users want then starting to work on (and feed back into) the bugs list at b.android.com in the order of most starred first.
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> subsidiaries.
> From: android-discuss@googlegroups.com [mailto:android-discuss@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jesper Lundgren
> Sent: 23 August 2009 00:26
> To: android-discuss@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [android-discuss] Re: Google Listen
> VLC has by far most users on windows ( there is no download for solaris, and just recently someone put together a script that made it compile with reasonable ease on opensolaris...). the point is, sure most users might use google, but it's impossible to make an application that appeals to everyone and that leaves room for other developers. It has to be remembered that googles PR machine is drawing lots of users to the platform, and that will benefit everyone So if google didn't put out some solid apps to the platform it would it would make it look less interesting for the consumer, and there would be less users for everyone.
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Disconnect <dc.disconn...@gmail.com<mailto:dc.disconn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Er... name a major media player that is native to windows. (Winamp
> counts, but only barely - they came in at a time when WMP didn't
> handle mp3s, playlists,libraries, etc. And even they lost to iTunes in
> the end.)
> Mplayer? Linux. VLC? Solaris (iirc), then linux. Etc.
> Google competing with you on their home turf is a very BAD thing, no
> matter how you look at it. (And several of their apps have system
> permissions, so they at least can do things you can't - not least of
> which is automatic signup by using the google account info instead of
> making you fill out another form. I'd need to spend some time with
> dismali to see if they're taking unfair advantage otherwise.)
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Jesper Lundgren<koudel...@gmail.com<mailto:koudel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > with this reasoning there would be no other media player then windows media
> > player on windows computers, but clearly that is not the case, and they even
> > ship it with windows and their os is not opensource so they can possibly use
> > things that other developers can not get access to.
