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Klaus Kartou  
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From: Klaus Kartou <kar...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:29:33 +0100
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Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: How to test if app is shown on Market for all screensizes
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Agreed, feedback from Google would be nice...

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:55:53 +0100
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Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: How to test if app is shown on Market for all screensizes
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Bumping this question....
Our app is receiving great attention at the moment, and it is really a shame
that we cannot do anything to get it out to all Android owners.
Please Google, this is a serious issue...We would love to see a solution to
this? Any help is much appreciated...

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Hi, Google, Your mother let you answer our questions.

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Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: How to test if app is shown on Market for all screensizes
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To summarize...Our app does not show up on the market on HTC Tattoo devices.
The manifest includes the following:

<uses-permission
android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_FINE_LOCATION"></uses-permission>
<uses-permission
android:name="android.permission.INTERNET"></uses-permission>
<uses-permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_COARSE_LOCATION"
/>
<uses-permission android:name="android.permission.CAMERA"></uses-permission>
<uses-permission
android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE"></uses-permission>
<uses-permission
android:name="android.permission.WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE"></uses-permission>

<uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="3" android:targetSdkVersion="4" />
<supports-screens
android:smallScreens="true"
android:normalScreens="true"
android:largeScreens="true"
android:anyDensity="true"
/>

What can we do?

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Klaus Kartou  
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From: Klaus Kartou <kar...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:04:33 +0100
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Did anyone else experience this?

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From: phil <philipp.bre...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:57:59 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: How to test if app is shown on Market for all screensizes
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It really looks like CAMERA permission in the manifest causing the
apps not to appear in the Android Market on Tattoo.

Our test app shows up in the Android Market if we remove the CAMERA
permission from the manifest.

It does not show up if we add the permission.

(in both attempts the copy protection was disabled).

Regards,
Philipp

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Now that the new Motorola Milestone Phones came out in Germany (aka
Droid in the US) we, too, are facing the problem of users not seeing
our application in the market.

Our settings:

<uses-sdk android:minSdkVersion="3" />

<supports-screens
android:smallScreens="true"
android:normalScreens="true"
android:largeScreens="true"
android:anyDensity="false"
/>

No CAMERA-permission.

Copy-Protection active.

The customer is using the standard Milestone ROM. He doesn't see our
application (GeOrg) in the market, while his partner does with an
older phone.
We already have some Droid-users, who succesfully installed our
application, so I really cannot see that it's caused by our
manifest... I mean, aren't Milestone and Droid kind of twins?

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Ralf

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 More options Nov 27 2009, 8:07 am
From: Mark Murphy <mmur...@commonsware.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:07:09 -0500
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Subject: Re: [android-developers] Re: How to test if app is shown on Market for all screensizes
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rflexor wrote:
> Now that the new Motorola Milestone Phones came out in Germany (aka
> Droid in the US) we, too, are facing the problem of users not seeing
> our application in the market.

<snip>

> Copy-Protection active.

Turning off Android Market copy protection has worked for others, though
I'm not sure specifically with the Milestone.

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Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:48:41 -0800 (PST)
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Same with me.

App uses Camera, but is not copy protected.

supports-screens entries in manifest are there and "true".

minSDK=3
targetSDK=4


 
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 More options Nov 27 2009, 11:08 am
From: blindfold <seeingwithso...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:08:28 -0800 (PST)
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Are you talking about Droid, Milestone or HTC Tattoo here?

Thus far there seem to be 2 separate patterns: apps can be invisible
on the Market for Droid and Milestone when copy protection is on, OR
apps can be invisible on the Market for HTC Tattoo when the CAMERA
permission is used.

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Justin (Google Employee)  
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 More options Dec 1 2009, 4:32 pm
From: "Justin (Google Employee)" <j...@google.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:32:50 -0800 (PST)
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To return to the original topic of apps with the CAMERA permission not
showing to Tattoo users, this is because you need to specify

<uses-feature android:name="android.hardware.camera" />

in your manifest as per http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/manifest/uses-feature-eleme...
. Tattoo does not include autofocus unlike all previous Android
devices. For this reason, you need to opt-in to being shown to devices
without autofocus. Likewise you can use uses-feature to specify that
you require autofocus.

The issue with Milestone not seeing copy protected apps is completely
separate. There may be some Milestone configurations that Market
doesn't know about yet and as they are foreign Market assumes they may
be unsafe to show copy protected apps to. We'll look into this. If
posters can respond with what carriers the users seeing issues are on,
that would be helpful.

Cheers,
Justin
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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:20:39 -0800 (PST)
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Argh, thanks! I now found the small print in the documentation that
implies this, and have added <uses-feature
android:name="android.hardware.camera" /> to my manifest such that as
of now my app should be visible to HTC Tattoo users (I have no Tattoo
myself). My app sometimes uses autofocus but also works without, so
autofocus support by the phone is not required by my app and was
apparently inadvertently implied by the new Android defaults. It would
be nice to have some sort of Market visibility test for a range of
popular devices, because it is easy to overlook such details and hard
to test for without buying tons of devices...

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:40:14 -0800 (PST)
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Hi,

thanks for participating in this thread, Justin!

I have gathered that here in Germany we have Milestones sold by
Vodafone for their network and free Milestones usable in any network.
Currently, from what I read in the forums, those from Vodafone are
able to see copy protected apps, others are not. If you need more
details from one of the phones not able to see protected apps, let me
know.

Ralf

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:51:41 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: How to test if app is shown on Market for all screensizes
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Dear Justin,

I am one of the affected milestone users and I am far from alone.
At least all of the milestones sold by amazon, Germany are affected!

Milestones branded by Vodafone or O2, Germany are working perfectly.

I know it is unusual for the USA but in Europe it is quite common to
buy phones WITHOUT
an carrier-contract. Those phones are NOT branded by Vodafone or
others and they are
simlock-free! Exactly those phones have no access to copy protected
apps in the market.
Our guess at the moment is that google missed those configuration and
handles them as
illegal (rootet) phones... are we right with this assumption??? But
our phones are 110% legal
with plain Motorola configuration right from the factory!

It is not only that we can not bu or download any new copy protected
apps. User who bought
such an app on another Adnroid phone and now got themselves a new
Milestone can not access
their legaly bought apps anymore!!! Google need to react here really
quick. We are honest users
and your loyal fanbase!

All of the affected phones have the following ORIGINAL Motorola setup:
Modellnummer                          : Milestone
Firmware-Version                      : 2.0
Firmware-Konfigurationsversion  : GAS_EMEA_USASHLS00RTDACH_P001
Baseband-Version                    : 3GDMEPU91A_U_91.08.0DP
Baseband-Konfigurationsversion : UCASHLSEMEAB1B803F.0R
Kernel-Version                          : 2.6.29-omap1
a21146@ca25rhe53 #1
Build-Nummer                          : SHOLS_U2_01.03.1.125764182

PLEASE HELP US!

best regards

Christian

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 15:41:36 -0800 (PST)
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I think this thread really highlights the standing need for some kind
of market visibility tool for developers. Of course, a desktop client
for everyone would be nice, which would allow you to filter apps based
on device type. But at the very least developers *really* need some
way of checking visibility of their apps on various configurations,
other than asking "Hey, if you've got a Tattoo, can you see if my app
is visible?"

 
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Hi Justin,

Thank you for your reply. You are the any Google employee facing this
problem in any forum or group.

I am also affected by this restricted market access. As already
mentioned in the community, this concerns all the Milestones bought on
Amazon in Germany and AFAIK all milestones in the UK.

If you are addressing this problem, could you please make Google to
state so publicly in order to avoid any confusion. I don't care if
this problem is temporal. Some people are just concerned about it
being permanent and thus returning their devices.

Thank you very much.


 
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:38:59 -0800 (PST)
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You guys are funny. Android Market on HTC Tattoo does not show
applications that do not implicitly declare that they support its
screen. It definitely has nothing to do with CAMERA permission or
whatsoever. I do agree that Google could post some clear explanations
what exactly Android Market takes into account when he decides that
application should not show up (I'm pretty sure that it's a server
side of Android Market who makes these decisions). And it has nothing
to do with device vendor since it just includes Android Market in
their firmwares.

Please stop blaming phone vendors. Google is the only one to blame for
Android Market behavior.

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:51:55 -0800 (PST)
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The problem of some Milestone devices not seeing copy protected apps
is one we continue to work on addressing. We are working with the OEM
to resolve the root cause.

> You guys are funny. Android Market on HTC Tattoo does not show
> applications that do not implicitly declare that they support its
> screen. It definitely has nothing to do with CAMERA permission or
> whatsoever

This is false. As previously stated, *if* the app requires the
android.permission.CAMERA manifest, it *must* state that it does not
require autofocus in <uses-feature> in order to show on Tattoo. This
is because the camera permission, if granted, implies access to an
autofocus camera. The request must be modified to not require
autofocus with <uses-feature>. Admittedly this is not as developer-
friendly as it could be, its the result of a lack of foresight in our
original design.

A separate issue is that apps that do not explicitly support
sdkVersion 4 or above will not be shown to Tattoo because it contains
a "small" screen. "small" screen devices did not exist before Android
1.6 (sdkVersion 4) and apps may break when shrunk to fit the smaller
screen. Apps declaring support for sdkVersion 4 or above will be
assumed to support small screens, unless stated otherwise in the
<supports-screens> element.

Regards,
Justin
Android Team @ Google

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:38:04 -0800 (PST)
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I need to bring this issue (not seeing copyprotected apps in the
market) up again.
GOOGLE please give us an update when to expect this issue fixed!!!

You are keeping loyal and honest customers from their leglay bought
applications away
and hinder us to spend more money on the market!!! This hurts your
developers!

Its been more than a month than this issue came up with the launch of
the Milestone in europe.

In the UK the problem was fixed within days but the unlocked phones
are still waiting.
What is the problem??? Respond to your customers.

regards
Christian

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:00:06 -0800 (PST)
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