New and updated apps were always featured before. You could go to Live
wallpapers, then choose "new". You would then see all the apps, which
were new and recently updated. The "new" section were updated several
times each day.
This is not the case now. The same apps are shown. I see the same
apps today as I saw yesterday: "Dark theme", "Radiant Walls HD",
"Don't touch my phone".
This has resulted in that new apps don't get much attention anymore.
Below are the download statistics for some of our new live wallpapers
from SlideME compared with Android market, for last week. The apps
were published on SlideME and Android market on the same day.
live wallpaper1:SlideME:1345 Android market:93
live wallpaper2:SlideME:960 Android market:24
The new apps got much more downloads on Android market than SlideME
before. I am not just talking about our company's apps. I just want to
know why the new and updated apps are not featured anymore?
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MobileVisuals <eyv...@astralvisuals.com>wrote:
> I just want to know why the new and updated apps are not featured anymore?
You're not going to get an answer to that questions. The people that can answer that neither participate in this list nor would answer you if they did.
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> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MobileVisuals <eyv...@astralvisuals.com>wrote:
> > I just want to know why the new and updated apps are not featured anymore?
> You're not going to get an answer to that questions.
> The people that can answer that neither participate in this list nor would
> answer you if they did.
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> TreKing <http://sites.google.com/site/rezmobileapps/treking> - Chicago
> transit tracking app for Android-powered devices
> So where can I get an answer? Have you also noticed the change in the > "new applications" list that I described?
You can always try asking via market.android.com/support but it's possible they do not have a "proper" answer for you. As for myself, I'm rather new to publishing applications on Android Market but based on the few apps I've added I haven't been exactly happy with the download rate etc. Can't put all the blame on users though but can't get away with the fact I was expecting more feedback and downloads either.
Do ask via market.android.com/support, and be very specific about what you're seeing. If you can provide screenshots showing at least several days' worth of incorrect behavior, that would help.
I have mailed market.android.com/support about this now. It seems like
there is no special way for publishers to contact the support. I have
to use the same contact page as the customers. This seems very
strange. All other big appstores either have Partner managers of
Developer support.
The same apps are still shown on the "new section".: "Dark theme",
"Radiant Walls HD","Don't touch my phone". As it is now, there is no
way for new apps to get any attention, so the only possibility to get
good downlods for new apps seems to be to launch massive advertising
campaigns for them. We get good download numbers for our older apps,
but not for the new ones, which haven't got the possibility to be
featured on the "new apps" section.
On Feb 12, 10:04 pm, Ian Ni-Lewis <ile...@google.com> wrote:
> Do ask via market.android.com/support, and be very specific about what
> you're seeing. If you can provide screenshots showing at least several
> days' worth of incorrect behavior, that would help.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:15:16AM -0800, MobileVisuals wrote: > I have mailed market.android.com/support about this now. It seems like > there is no special way for publishers to contact the support.
Well, there is, because I was able to back when google first removed the "Just In" category...and I did get a response....
> The same apps are still shown on the "new section".
And here is a summary of what their response was: There IS NO SECTION for ALL new apps now. It's gone. Period. Now there are "Top New Free", "Top New Paid", and "Top Grossing New" (not sure on the exact wording of that last one, but that's the point). If your app is one of the *TOP* downloaded apps when you put it online, it will go in Top [Free/Paid] New. If not, people will have to find it by searching for it directly or by keywords (which you aren't allowed to bulk your app's Market page up with, as it'll get pulled if you do).
Welcome to the new google market. The above is not an exact quote, but it is what they said. And I asked for clarification at least once or twice, and they were VERY clear on every point above. I, personally, think it sucks. But my opinion doesn't matter (nor does that of anyone else). That's just how it is now.
I agree, this is really bad. You wrote "If your app is one of the
*TOP*downloaded apps when you put it online, it will go in Top [Free/
Paid] New."
But a new app can't be one of the top downloaded apps when it gets
online. It always has 0 downloads first.
So the only possibility to get good downlods for new apps is to launch
massive advertising campaigns for them, am I right?
On Feb 13, 1:29 pm, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 04:15:16AM -0800, MobileVisuals wrote:
> > I have mailed market.android.com/support about this now. It seems like
> > there is no special way for publishers to contact the support.
> Well, there is, because I was able to back when google first removed the
> "Just In" category...and I did get a response....
> > The same apps are still shown on the "new section".
> And here is a summary of what their response was: There IS NO SECTION
> for ALL new apps now. It's gone. Period. Now there are "Top New Free",
> "Top New Paid", and "Top Grossing New" (not sure on the exact wording of
> that last one, but that's the point). If your app is one of the *TOP*
> downloaded apps when you put it online, it will go in Top [Free/Paid]
> New. If not, people will have to find it by searching for it directly or
> by keywords (which you aren't allowed to bulk your app's Market page up
> with, as it'll get pulled if you do).
> Welcome to the new google market. The above is not an exact quote,
> but it is what they said. And I asked for clarification at least
> once or twice, and they were VERY clear on every point above. I,
> personally, think it sucks. But my opinion doesn't matter (nor does
> that of anyone else). That's just how it is now.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM, MobileVisuals <eyv...@astralvisuals.com> wrote: > I agree, this is really bad. You wrote "If your app is one of the > *TOP*downloaded apps when you put it online, it will go in Top [Free/ > Paid] New." > But a new app can't be one of the top downloaded apps when it gets > online. It always has 0 downloads first.
> So the only possibility to get good downlods for new apps is to launch > massive advertising campaigns for them, am I right?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:12:38AM -0800, MobileVisuals wrote: > I agree, this is really bad. You wrote "If your app is one of the > *TOP*downloaded apps when you put it online, it will go in Top [Free/ > Paid] New." > But a new app can't be one of the top downloaded apps when it gets > online. It always has 0 downloads first.
Yep.
> So the only possibility to get good downlods for new apps is to launch > massive advertising campaigns for them, am I right?
Depending on the app, there may be other possibilities. For exmaple, for my photo/camera app, when it's ready, I'm going to try to get it reviewed by various sources, in the hopes that someone will read the reviews. There is at least one forum (in the Android Forums) for new app announcements, but I don't know how helpful it really is.... There may be more such forums...and with that in mind....
If anyone knows of any other (than the Android Forums) sites for new app announcements, please list them as a followup to this post. Thanks!
Aside from that, though, you're right...if you don't have the advertising budget, can't get it reviewed (I have *NO* idea what it takes to get that done), and the new app announcement forums don't get you anywhere, your apps will go unnoticed (like my more recent ones have) and, if it's a paid app that you've spent a lot of time on, well, you probably wasted that time. Yeah, it sucks...massively. And from what I've heard, that was the intention behind google's doing that---to limit the Market to the major devs (no indies) with massive budgets.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote: > And from what I've heard, that > was the intention behind google's doing that---to limit the Market to the > major devs (no indies) with massive budgets.
Oh good lord, no Google is not trying to limit Market to major developers and shut out indies.
I am not going to respond further to this thread, but this is just so ridiculous.
Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote: > If anyone knows of any other (than the Android Forums) sites for new app > announcements, please list them as a followup to this post. Thanks!
If you do not have a focused, targeted audience with a clear idea of how you are going to promote your app to that audience, you should not have bothered writing the app in the first place, unless writing Java code is your idea of a fun evening.
> Aside from that, though, you're right...if you don't have the advertising > budget, can't get it reviewed (I have *NO* idea what it takes to get that > done), and the new app announcement forums don't get you anywhere, your > apps will go unnoticed (like my more recent ones have) and, if it's a > paid app that you've spent a lot of time on, well, you probably wasted > that time.
I have been saying FOR YEARS that developers should not be focused on promoting apps via the Android Market, as it is merely a catalog.
I have been saying FOR YEARS that developers seeking income need the same sort of business plans as do any other entrepreneurs, and that paid apps are merely one (lousy, overused, etc.) business model out of many.
From what I can tell, many app developers have less business savvy than $DEITY gave an eight-year-old who runs a lemonade stand.
> Yeah, it sucks...massively.
No more than does opening a dry cleaners or a Quik-E-Mart. Or do you think that app developers are somehow immune to the real world that affects entrepreneurs in all other lines of business?
> And from what I've heard, that > was the intention behind google's doing that---to limit the Market to the > major devs (no indies) with massive budgets.
I am sure that's not the intention, but it's also true that Google
doesn't really have a vested interest in "helping" out smaller
developers. After all, why do they care if the 30% comes from the big
guy or the small guy? Therefore, I wouldn't expect any change related
to any of this as this is not (and should not be) a priority for
Google.
On Feb 14, 7:09 am, Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > And from what I've heard, that
> > was the intention behind google's doing that---to limit the Market to the
> > major devs (no indies) with massive budgets.
> Oh good lord, no Google is not trying to limit Market to major developers
> and shut out indies.
> I am not going to respond further to this thread, but this is just so
> ridiculous.
> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to
> provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such
> questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and
> answer them.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 06:34:07PM -0500, Mark Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote: > If you do not have a focused, targeted audience with a clear idea of > how you are going to promote your app to that audience, you should not > have bothered writing the app in the first place, unless writing Java > code is your idea of a fun evening.
If you do not have the budget for doing said targetd advertising (my interpretation), does that mean you're hosed from day one, and should just quit trying?
>> Aside from that, though, you're right...if you don't have the advertising >> budget, can't get it reviewed (I have *NO* idea what it takes to get that >> done), and the new app announcement forums don't get you anywhere, your >> apps will go unnoticed (like my more recent ones have) and, if it's a >> paid app that you've spent a lot of time on, well, you probably wasted >> that time.
> I have been saying FOR YEARS that developers should not be focused on > promoting apps via the Android Market, as it is merely a catalog.
Are you agreeing with me on the above? Or did I somehow imply that I was referring to promoting my app on the android market? (I really don't know how to read that.)
> I have been saying FOR YEARS that developers seeking income need the > same sort of business plans as do any other entrepreneurs, and that > paid apps are merely one (lousy, overused, etc.) business model out of > many.
I'm just an out of work (permanently, thanks to cancer #1) network engineer / intelligence systems analyst who doesn't have the first hint of business education just trying to supplement my disability income. Is that wrong?
> >?Yeah, it sucks...massively.
> No more than does opening a dry cleaners or a Quik-E-Mart.
Except for one thing: at least the dry cleaners or quick rip are visible. People walking or driving down the street can actually SEE them without having to search for them. Or was that point lost somewhere?
> Or do you think that app developers are somehow immune to the real > world that affects entrepreneurs in all other lines of business?
Please point out where I said that. Seriously. Point it out.
>> And from what I've heard, that was the intention behind google's doing >> that---to limit the Market to the major devs (no indies) with massive >> budgets.
> Citation, please.
Make that plural...and I don't have any. It's just what I've been reading a lot (not so much in this forum, though) since before "Just In" went away, and more after it vanished. But if you think I kept a record of every list/forum and every specific conversation where I heard that, well, sorry to disappoint you...I didn't.
As to whether or not that really IS googles intention or just a common perception is irrelevant, IMHO, as the impact is the same---if your app doesn't immediately get a LOT of downloads, it vanishes, whereas before, it at least had a reasonable period of being visible in its own section of the market (set aside for new apps). Granted, that section was misused...but it's the MISUSE that should have been done away with, not the whole section...again, IMHO. One of my apps, posted shortly after the change, was visible for an hour or so...until the market refreshed, and then it was gone...no longer visible unless you searched for it. How is this supposed to be a good thing? Before, people (again, based on comments I've read over and over) actually strolled throuhg "Just In" looking for new stuff. I know I did (past tense, of course).
So, one final question: where do users go NOW to see ALL (not just the "Top" of the latest---and maybe/maybe not the greatest) new apps on the market? Hmmm? Where? What are the search keywords for that? (And yes, I am expecting an actual answer to that.)
Once again, Google is a for-profit, publicly listed business, not a
charity.
Why should they spend the time and effort to help out small developers
over big ones?
Yes, the old "New" section is sorely missed, but I am sure if the new
"Top new" must be more profitable for Google. You have to realize
that Google has some of the world's smartest people working for them,
and a decision like that is not taken blindly.
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 06:34:07PM -0500, Mark Murphy wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If you do not have a focused, targeted audience with a clear idea of
> > how you are going to promote your app to that audience, you should not
> > have bothered writing the app in the first place, unless writing Java
> > code is your idea of a fun evening.
> If you do not have the budget for doing said targetd advertising (my
> interpretation), does that mean you're hosed from day one, and should
> just quit trying?
> >> Aside from that, though, you're right...if you don't have the advertising
> >> budget, can't get it reviewed (I have *NO* idea what it takes to get that
> >> done), and the new app announcement forums don't get you anywhere, your
> >> apps will go unnoticed (like my more recent ones have) and, if it's a
> >> paid app that you've spent a lot of time on, well, you probably wasted
> >> that time.
> > I have been saying FOR YEARS that developers should not be focused on
> > promoting apps via the Android Market, as it is merely a catalog.
> Are you agreeing with me on the above? Or did I somehow imply that I was
> referring to promoting my app on the android market? (I really don't
> know how to read that.)
> > I have been saying FOR YEARS that developers seeking income need the
> > same sort of business plans as do any other entrepreneurs, and that
> > paid apps are merely one (lousy, overused, etc.) business model out of
> > many.
> I'm just an out of work (permanently, thanks to cancer #1) network
> engineer / intelligence systems analyst who doesn't have the first
> hint of business education just trying to supplement my disability
> income. Is that wrong?
> > >?Yeah, it sucks...massively.
> > No more than does opening a dry cleaners or a Quik-E-Mart.
> Except for one thing: at least the dry cleaners or quick rip are
> visible. People walking or driving down the street can actually SEE
> them without having to search for them. Or was that point lost
> somewhere?
> > Or do you think that app developers are somehow immune to the real
> > world that affects entrepreneurs in all other lines of business?
> Please point out where I said that. Seriously. Point it out.
> >> And from what I've heard, that was the intention behind google's doing
> >> that---to limit the Market to the major devs (no indies) with massive
> >> budgets.
> > Citation, please.
> Make that plural...and I don't have any. It's just what I've been
> reading a lot (not so much in this forum, though) since before
> "Just In" went away, and more after it vanished. But if you think
> I kept a record of every list/forum and every specific conversation
> where I heard that, well, sorry to disappoint you...I didn't.
> As to whether or not that really IS googles intention or just a common
> perception is irrelevant, IMHO, as the impact is the same---if your app
> doesn't immediately get a LOT of downloads, it vanishes, whereas before,
> it at least had a reasonable period of being visible in its own section
> of the market (set aside for new apps). Granted, that section was
> misused...but it's the MISUSE that should have been done away with, not
> the whole section...again, IMHO. One of my apps, posted shortly after
> the change, was visible for an hour or so...until the market refreshed,
> and then it was gone...no longer visible unless you searched for it.
> How is this supposed to be a good thing? Before, people (again, based
> on comments I've read over and over) actually strolled throuhg "Just In"
> looking for new stuff. I know I did (past tense, of course).
> So, one final question: where do users go NOW to see ALL (not just the
> "Top" of the latest---and maybe/maybe not the greatest) new apps on the
> market? Hmmm? Where? What are the search keywords for that? (And yes,
> I am expecting an actual answer to that.)
it's not about helping little developers, but about helping users. If app gems are lost before they can be found, then why spend hundreds just to play the latest chicken licken rio?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 05:33:56PM -0800, Simon Jackson wrote: > it's not about helping little developers, but about helping users. If app > gems are lost before they can be found, then why spend hundreds just to > play the latest chicken licken rio?
Exactly. I was just coming back from working on something else to add that very point. :-)
I mean, how do you KNOW that the apps that don't show up in the Top whatever categories don't actually belong there? There may in fact be some truly excellent apps. But who is going to stroll through the new apps listings and find those that aren't listed? Answers to that, anyone? They get dumped on the floor and ignored. They don't get any ratings because nobody sees them. Those who do, see that they don't have any ratings and pass them by without a second glance. Is this really considered by most here to be a good thing? Seriously?
Later, --jim
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Perhaps a better way to get this fixed is to follow the iTunes store. Only when an application gets rated a specific number of times, show the ratings, else, say "This have hasn't been reviewed by enough users. No rating yet".
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 05:33:56PM -0800, Simon Jackson wrote: > > it's not about helping little developers, but about helping users. If app > > gems are lost before they can be found, then why spend hundreds just to > > play the latest chicken licken rio?
> Exactly. I was just coming back from working on something else to add > that very point. :-)
> I mean, how do you KNOW that the apps that don't show up in the Top > whatever categories don't actually belong there? There may in fact be > some truly excellent apps. But who is going to stroll through the new > apps listings and find those that aren't listed? Answers to that, > anyone? They get dumped on the floor and ignored. They don't get any > ratings because nobody sees them. Those who do, see that they don't > have any ratings and pass them by without a second glance. Is this > really considered by most here to be a good thing? Seriously?
> Later, > --jim
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I think you might be underestimating the sheer scale of Android Market these days. How many new apps and app updates get uploaded every day, do you think? Take a guess--I can almost guarantee you're low by an order of magnitude or 2. A literal "what's new" would refresh so often that any new app would be lucky to get even a couple of extra hits out of it.
That's not to say that Android Market shouldn't have a better way of uncovering diamonds in the rough, just that it's a much harder problem than it used to be. Ian
On Monday, February 13, 2012 4:12:17 PM UTC-5, Spooky wrote:
> Aside from that, though, you're right...if you don't have the advertising
> budget, can't get it reviewed (I have *NO* idea what it takes to get that > done), and the new app announcement forums don't get you anywhere, your > apps will go unnoticed (like my more recent ones have) and, if it's a > paid app that you've spent a lot of time on, well, you probably wasted > that time. Yeah, it sucks...massively. And from what I've heard, that > was the intention behind google's doing that---to limit the Market to the > major devs (no indies) with massive budgets.
I have to disagree with this, speaking just for myself. I am an "indie" developer who does Android stuff mainly for fun, and in my spare time. It's been profitable beyond my modest expectations, and I have zero marketing budget. I truly feel that the market is democratic and a meritocracy based on my limited experience. When I have launched apps that in my estimation have a broader appeal than others, they have done better and have placed higher in the ranks, than ones that I felt would be more limited in appeal. The stats seem to bear it out. It has taken a while sometimes for an app to gain critical mass (and sometimes blogs have picked them up eventually... I did try to tell blogs about my first app when I launched it to no effect...), but I think if you create something that people will enjoy and there is a need for it in the marketplace, people will find it, and it will eventually do well, and then tail off at some point perhaps. I've seen a few of my apps go from page 2 or 3 of certain keyword searches to the top spot over time, without my intervention, just based on downloads/purchases/ratings over time. I'd like to think that that's because of the work I put in to make a good product, and word of mouth at play, rather than random chance.
If you create something compelling and unique, I truly believe that people will find it eventually, whether it be a smaller or larger niche of the marketplace. Again, I'm just one of the little guys, but I have to say I've been enjoying the ride. Some things have been frustrating, but they're the same things that everyone gets frustrated about, I don't feel the "deck is stacked." Large developers with big marketing budgets (and development budgets) will dominate the featured section, but I expect that, typically their products have a mass appeal and are quite polished.
Jim, I agree with what you are saying. Why is it ridiculous that he
wrote that the Market is being limited to major developers? That is
what has happened now when the "new" section has been dropped. My
company can afford to advertise, but those who don't, will have very
small opportunities on Android market.
My experience from several appstores is that if the apps never get
featured, they get few downloads. I think it will be hard to promote
apps on announcenment forums, because most people who download don't
write reviews. You have to have at least a few hundred downloads to
get a good rating. I also used to stroll through the "Just In" looking
for new stuff. I really miss that now.
Ian, I don't agree that an app could be lucky to get even a couple of
extra hits out of
being published on the "new" section. Our apps used to get a few
hundred downloads from this, which was necessary to boost further
downloads and get reviews.
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, Adam Ratana <adam.rat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, February 13, 2012 4:12:17 PM UTC-5, Spooky wrote:
> > Aside from that, though, you're right...if you don't have the advertising
> > budget, can't get it reviewed (I have *NO* idea what it takes to get that
> > done), and the new app announcement forums don't get you anywhere, your
> > apps will go unnoticed (like my more recent ones have) and, if it's a
> > paid app that you've spent a lot of time on, well, you probably wasted
> > that time. Yeah, it sucks...massively. And from what I've heard, that
> > was the intention behind google's doing that---to limit the Market to the
> > major devs (no indies) with massive budgets.
> I have to disagree with this, speaking just for myself. I am an "indie"
> developer who does Android stuff mainly for fun, and in my spare time.
> It's been profitable beyond my modest expectations, and I have zero
> marketing budget. I truly feel that the market is democratic and a
> meritocracy based on my limited experience. When I have launched apps
> that in my estimation have a broader appeal than others, they have done
> better and have placed higher in the ranks, than ones that I felt would be
> more limited in appeal. The stats seem to bear it out. It has taken a
> while sometimes for an app to gain critical mass (and sometimes blogs have
> picked them up eventually... I did try to tell blogs about my first app
> when I launched it to no effect...), but I think if you create something
> that people will enjoy and there is a need for it in the marketplace,
> people will find it, and it will eventually do well, and then tail off at
> some point perhaps. I've seen a few of my apps go from page 2 or 3 of
> certain keyword searches to the top spot over time, without my
> intervention, just based on downloads/purchases/ratings over time. I'd
> like to think that that's because of the work I put in to make a good
> product, and word of mouth at play, rather than random chance.
> If you create something compelling and unique, I truly believe that people
> will find it eventually, whether it be a smaller or larger niche of the
> marketplace. Again, I'm just one of the little guys, but I have to say
> I've been enjoying the ride. Some things have been frustrating, but
> they're the same things that everyone gets frustrated about, I don't feel
> the "deck is stacked." Large developers with big marketing budgets (and
> development budgets) will dominate the featured section, but I expect that,
> typically their products have a mass appeal and are quite polished.
I honestly think that changing from "Just In" to "Top New Free/Paid" helped indie developers. Just before scrapping, "Just In" was in sorry state - lot's of "developers" gaming it (either through constant "updates" or even constant republishing of same content: http://goo.gl/7A17r) so anyway you would be burred under tons of spam and getting few hundreds download on start means nothing. Now if you have decent app and spend a bit time (or money) you can get to Top New Free/Paid (btw. old Just In was for both types) which gives you great visibility for a few weeks.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Jim Graham <spooky1...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, one final question: where do users go NOW to see ALL (not just the > "Top" of the latest---and maybe/maybe not the greatest) new apps on the > market? Hmmm? Where? What are the search keywords for that? (And yes, > I am expecting an actual answer to that.)
Nowhere. You act as though it should matter to anyone.
To wit: where do users go NOW to see ALL (not just the "Top" of the latest---and maybe/maybe not the greatest) new Web sites?
The answer is: nowhere. And that doesn't matter to anyone anymore. Yes, there was some wailing and gnashing of teeth when akebono.stanford.edu (the precursor to Yahoo) got rid of their new-sites page. Somehow, the Internet got over it.
More importantly, creators of Web sites got over it. Some settle for search results driving traffic (and some whine as a result). Some aren't concerned about traffic, as the site is not what they're trying to sell but is more for information for prospective off-Web customers (think dry cleaners and Quik-E-Marts). The rest use any hundreds, perhaps thousands, of small promotional means to ensure that their target audience knows about their Web site. App developers who actively wish to try to succeed need to follow that third group. Expecting the Android Market to solve all download problems is akin to expecting search engines to drive all your traffic.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 02:13:22AM -0800, a1 wrote: > Just before scrapping, "Just In" was in sorry state - lot's of > "developers" gaming it (either through constant "updates" or even > constant republishing of same content
Yes, that's absolutely true. And that's exactly what I was talking when I said that it needed to be FIXED, not removed. :-)
Later, --jim
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