I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing and it's
actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell goods from US and UK. It's
not an Android thing, it's their system is not even complete and operational
for all countries.
Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in the email but I
wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google checkout has been working since
2006 I believe and people have been whining since then. Still nothing has
been done. So seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years or what?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late communicated. I
> wonder why?
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
>> that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another countries.
>> Now I'm sad.
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>> Agus wrote:
>>> > no Canada?
>>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria, and
>>> the
>>> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
>>> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
>>> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>> >>> > available at market.android.com
>>> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet. We're
>>> >>> getting
>>> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>> >> --
>>> >> ======
>>> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>> >> subsidiaries.
>>> --
>>> ======
>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>> subsidiaries.
That's cool. I didn't opt to do the trial version of my app and now
I'm thinking maybe I should to increase visibility. I really liked
your game btw - you should check out mine and let me know what you
think (when it's available!) It's called "Wuzzle" and has been my big
project for the past 2 months.
On Feb 13, 12:39 pm, snctln <catlin.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the 30 minutes since I posted my last post in this thread I got an
> email from Google describing the paid apps plan (which was posted at
> the Google developers bloghttp://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/02/android-market-update-...)
> Basically saying paid apps will start selling mid next week
> I just check my new Google checkout merchant account and I already
> have 2 sales listed in my checkout inbox... so it looks like some
> people already have access to the paid apps market
> On Feb 13, 11:57 am, snctln <catlin.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I just finished setting up a merchant account and then was able to
> > add the full version of one of my apps.
> > The only annoying part of the process is exactly what I expected it to
> > be, you cannot have 2 apps with the same package name, so I had to svn
> > export my project, go through and change all of the package names
> > (including the eclipse project name in the .project file) in order to
> > be able to make a new apk with the new package name.
> > I am on the APD1 with the original ROM, and the app has not shown up
> > on my Market yet [Games->Brain and Puzzle->WordWrench Full] so maybe
> > paid apps won't show up for awhile? Or maybe I just need to go ahead
> > and update with the holiday image.
> > I am just glad to see that paid apps are here (and hopefully users can
> > buy them now or very very soon)
> > On Feb 13, 11:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google CheckoutFree' is now
> > > available at market.android.com, but not functional yet. We're getting
> > > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> Google checkout has been working since 2006It might be operational since
then, but did anyone see Google's checkout in the wild?
It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about it and
make it mandatory to use for people so that they will finally start using
it, but I don't think it is in the best interest of developers to be forced
to use an exotic payment system that no user has ever used before.
Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their apps makes
the story worse, at least for those developers.
That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide paypal, but
at least most user already have an iTunes account and things go very
smoothly.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing and it's
> actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell goods from US and UK. It's
> not an Android thing, it's their system is not even complete and operational
> for all countries.
> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in the email but I
> wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google checkout has been working since
> 2006 I believe and people have been whining since then. Still nothing has
> been done. So seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years or what?
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late communicated.
>> I wonder why?
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
>>> that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another countries.
>>> Now I'm sad.
>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>> > no Canada?
>>>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria, and
>>>> the
>>>> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
>>>> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
>>>> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>> >>> > available at market.android.com
>>>> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet. We're
>>>> >>> getting
>>>> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> ======
>>>> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>>> >> subsidiaries.
>>>> --
>>>> ======
>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>>> subsidiaries.
I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a wrapper to
make apps available in the Android Market while using an external
DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able to publish
priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from 1 month to years
from now (well, probably not, but just to make a point). That's a bit of a
problem. I'll probably just publish my first app and then do some shameless
self promotion in it ;) instead of charging, see what happens with the
priced apps and then concentrate a bit on the iPhone development.
BR, Mads
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Google checkout has been working since 2006
> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's checkout in
> the wild?
> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about it and
> make it mandatory to use for people so that they will finally start using
> it, but I don't think it is in the best interest of developers to be forced
> to use an exotic payment system that no user has ever used before.
> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their apps makes
> the story worse, at least for those developers.
> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide paypal, but
> at least most user already have an iTunes account and things go very
> smoothly.
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing and it's
>> actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell goods from US and UK. It's
>> not an Android thing, it's their system is not even complete and operational
>> for all countries.
>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in the email but
>> I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google checkout has been working since
>> 2006 I believe and people have been whining since then. Still nothing has
>> been done. So seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
>> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years or what?
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late communicated.
>>> I wonder why?
>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
>>>> that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another countries.
>>>> Now I'm sad.
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>wrote:
>>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>>> > no Canada?
>>>>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria, and
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>>> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>>> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>>> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
>>>>> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>>> >>> > available at market.android.com
>>>>> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet.
>>>>> We're
>>>>> >>> getting
>>>>> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>>>> >> --
>>>>> >> ======
>>>>> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>>> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>>> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>>> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>>>> >> subsidiaries.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ======
>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>>>> subsidiaries.
OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any clarification you can give on this).
My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30% cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax efficient and legal, etc.).
Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
Mads Kristiansen wrote:
> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a > wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an > external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able > to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from > 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a > point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my first > app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of > charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then concentrate a > bit on the iPhone development.
> BR, Mads
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com > <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Google checkout has been working since 2006
> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
> checkout in the wild?
> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about
> it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
> finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
> interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
> system that no user has ever used before.
> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
> apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
> paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account and
> things go very smoothly.
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing
> and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
> goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
> system is not even complete and operational for all countries.
> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
> the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
> checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people have
> been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
> seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years
> or what?
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
> <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
> late communicated. I wonder why?
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
> <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada.
> But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
> be able to sell to another countries.
> Now I'm sad.
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
> <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> Agus wrote:
> > no Canada?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
> <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
> wrote:
> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
> Germany, Austria, and the
> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> >> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
> end of last year
> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
> rest of the world?
> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
> <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
> be a sellers?
> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
> Account at Google
> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> >> --
> >> ======
> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
> & Wales with the
> >> company number 6741909. The registered head
> office is Kemp House,
> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> >> The views expressed in this email are those of
> the author and not
> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
> it's associates, or it's
> >> subsidiaries.
> --
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
> Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head
> office is Kemp House,
> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> The views expressed in this email are those of the
> author and not
> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's
> associates, or it's
> subsidiaries.
-- ======
Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries.
That's an interesting idea - I might sign up for something like that. In any
case it will be very interesting first of all to see how well the paid apps
will perform compared to a certain other Application Store.
Another option for me personally would be to take a "field trip" to Germany
and register a company if I get really desperate. I already have bank
accounts setup there and I go there often, so it's not a big deal, but it
really depends on when I can expect Denmark to join the "paid apps club".
/ Mads
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any
> clarification you can give on this).
> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd
> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30%
> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
> efficient and legal, etc.).
> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
> Al.
> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
> > I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
> > wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
> > external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able
> > to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from
> > 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
> > point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my first
> > app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
> > charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then concentrate a
> > bit on the iPhone development.
> > BR, Mads
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Google checkout has been working since 2006
> > It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
> > checkout in the wild?
> > It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about
> > it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
> > finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
> > interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
> > system that no user has ever used before.
> > Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
> > apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
> > That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
> > paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account and
> > things go very smoothly.
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing
> > and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
> > goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
> > system is not even complete and operational for all countries.
> > Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
> > the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
> > checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people have
> > been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
> > seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
> > add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years
> > or what?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
> > <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
> > late communicated. I wonder why?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
> > <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada.
> > But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
> > be able to sell to another countries.
> > Now I'm sad.
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
> wrote:
> > Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> > Agus wrote:
> > > no Canada?
> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
> > Germany, Austria, and the
> > >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> > >> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
> > end of last year
> > >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
> > rest of the world?
> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
> > <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> > >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
> > be a sellers?
> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> > >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
> > Account at Google
> > >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> > >>> > available at market.android.com
> > <http://market.android.com>
> > >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
> > functional yet. We're
> > >>> getting
> > >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> > >> --
> > >> ======
> > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
> > & Wales with the
> > >> company number 6741909. The registered head
> > office is Kemp House,
> > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of
> > the author and not
> > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
> > it's associates, or it's
> > >> subsidiaries.
> > --
> > ======
> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
> > Wales with the
> > company number 6741909. The registered head
> > office is Kemp House,
> > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > The views expressed in this email are those of the
> > author and not
> > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's
> > associates, or it's
> > subsidiaries.
> --
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> subsidiaries.
mads.kristian...@nullwire.com> wrote:
> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a wrapper
> to make apps available in the Android Market while using an external
> DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able to publish
> priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from 1 month to years
> from now (well, probably not, but just to make a point). That's a bit of a
> problem. I'll probably just publish my first app and then do some shameless
> self promotion in it ;) instead of charging, see what happens with the
> priced apps and then concentrate a bit on the iPhone development.
> BR, Mads
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > Google checkout has been working since 2006
>> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's checkout
>> in the wild?
>> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about it and
>> make it mandatory to use for people so that they will finally start using
>> it, but I don't think it is in the best interest of developers to be forced
>> to use an exotic payment system that no user has ever used before.
>> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their apps
>> makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide paypal, but
>> at least most user already have an iTunes account and things go very
>> smoothly.
>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing and it's
>>> actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell goods from US and UK. It's
>>> not an Android thing, it's their system is not even complete and operational
>>> for all countries.
>>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in the email but
>>> I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google checkout has been working since
>>> 2006 I believe and people have been whining since then. Still nothing has
>>> been done. So seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
>>> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years or what?
>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late
>>>> communicated. I wonder why?
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
>>>>> that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another countries.
>>>>> Now I'm sad.
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>>>> > no Canada?
>>>>>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria,
>>>>>> and the
>>>>>> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>>>> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>>> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>>>> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>>>> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
>>>>>> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>>>> >>> > available at market.android.com
>>>>>> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet.
>>>>>> We're
>>>>>> >>> getting
>>>>>> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>> >> ======
>>>>>> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>>>> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>>>> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>>> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>>>> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> >> subsidiaries.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ======
>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>>>>> subsidiaries.
Yes, well hopefully I can create apps that are able to compete with the
other really skillful developers out there. What happens is that I'll
probably just give it away for free <sarcasm>and make it my mission in life
ruin it for somebody else trying to sell a similar app until I can charge
myself.</sarcasm> ;) .. Well, not quite - I'll probably figure something
out.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
> You wouldn't be on equal footing with us/uk developers. The category
> winners could already be picked when you are allowed to finally publish your
> app.
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Mads Kristiansen <
> mads.kristian...@nullwire.com> wrote:
>> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a wrapper
>> to make apps available in the Android Market while using an external
>> DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able to publish
>> priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from 1 month to years
>> from now (well, probably not, but just to make a point). That's a bit of a
>> problem. I'll probably just publish my first app and then do some shameless
>> self promotion in it ;) instead of charging, see what happens with the
>> priced apps and then concentrate a bit on the iPhone development.
>> BR, Mads
>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> > Google checkout has been working since 2006
>>> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's checkout
>>> in the wild?
>>> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about it and
>>> make it mandatory to use for people so that they will finally start using
>>> it, but I don't think it is in the best interest of developers to be forced
>>> to use an exotic payment system that no user has ever used before.
>>> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their apps
>>> makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>>> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide paypal,
>>> but at least most user already have an iTunes account and things go very
>>> smoothly.
>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing and it's
>>>> actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell goods from US and UK. It's
>>>> not an Android thing, it's their system is not even complete and operational
>>>> for all countries.
>>>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in the email
>>>> but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google checkout has been working
>>>> since 2006 I believe and people have been whining since then. Still nothing
>>>> has been done. So seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will
>>>> actually add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years or
>>>> what?
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late
>>>>> communicated. I wonder why?
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no
>>>>>> idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another
>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>> Now I'm sad.
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>>>>> > no Canada?
>>>>>>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria,
>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>>>>> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>>>>> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <
>>>>>>> corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>>>>> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
>>>>>>> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>>>>> >>> > available at market.android.com
>>>>>>> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet.
>>>>>>> We're
>>>>>>> >>> getting
>>>>>>> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> ======
>>>>>>> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>>>>> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>>>>> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>>>> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>>>>> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> >> subsidiaries.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ======
>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>>>>>> subsidiaries.
Al Sutton wrote: > OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from > developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any > clarification you can give on this).
> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be > willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK > developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd > look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30% > cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user > queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax > efficient and legal, etc.).
> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
I had much the same thought late last night: developers residing outside of Android Market-served areas need an agent to distribute the products in the Market on their behalf. For some developers, this might need to be a permanent arrangement, if Google Checkout never reaches their country for whatever reason.
IANAL, but a quick read of the Developer Distribution Agreement didn't turn up anything that would prohibit agents from acting on a developer's behalf. The only thing lightly sticky is that I think the agent's "contact information will be displayed in each application detail page and made available to users for customer support purposes."
The big-time headache, of course, is tax considerations. The agent would have to deal with the same tax considerations that Checkout has struggled with...which isn't a problem if the agent had to figure that out already.
An agent could bundle this into a larger service, of course -- distribution through multiple channels, PR and blogger relations, front-line support (to deal with the "contact information" clause mentioned above), etc.
A spin on the same concept would be to set up a US- or UK-based non-profit cooperative whose mission would be to provide those agent services to its members.
-- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 2.0 Published!
>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from >> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any >> clarification you can give on this).
>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be >> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK >> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd >> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30% >> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user >> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax >> efficient and legal, etc.).
>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
> I had much the same thought late last night: developers residing outside > of Android Market-served areas need an agent to distribute the products > in the Market on their behalf. For some developers, this might need to > be a permanent arrangement, if Google Checkout never reaches their > country for whatever reason.
> IANAL, but a quick read of the Developer Distribution Agreement didn't > turn up anything that would prohibit agents from acting on a developer's > behalf. The only thing lightly sticky is that I think the agent's > "contact information will be displayed in each application detail page > and made available to users for customer support purposes."
> The big-time headache, of course, is tax considerations. The agent would > have to deal with the same tax considerations that Checkout has > struggled with...which isn't a problem if the agent had to figure that > out already.
> An agent could bundle this into a larger service, of course -- > distribution through multiple channels, PR and blogger relations, > front-line support (to deal with the "contact information" clause > mentioned above), etc.
> A spin on the same concept would be to set up a US- or UK-based > non-profit cooperative whose mission would be to provide those agent > services to its members.
-- ====== Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House, 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's subsidiaries.
On Feb 14, 4:21 pm, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> The first step is, of course, Google saying that they won't shut down
> the agents account as soon as they list someone elses app....
I don't see why Google would have a problem with this, as long as the
"agent" is willing to accept legal responsibility for the app. What
you and Mark are talking about here really just boils down to a normal
software publishing arrangement, where the software is developed by
one business and then published by another.
At the minimum you would have to vet the applications to make sure
that they comply with the Market Distribution Agreement and Content
Policy. Then you would face the question of whether you want to
discriminate based on app quality, and there are arguments to be made
either way on that one. If you do discriminate on quality then you'd
basically be in a very similar position to that of Apple with its
iPhone App Store.
It's not a bad idea, but if I was doing it I'd probably want more than
2% of the revenue, and I'm not sure how long it would last, because I
presume that a squad of Google lawyers are working their dark magic as
quickly as possible to allow people from other countries to sell
directly on the Market.
> That's an interesting idea - I might sign up for something like that. In
> any case it will be very interesting first of all to see how well the paid
> apps will perform compared to a certain other Application Store.
> Another option for me personally would be to take a "field trip" to Germany
> and register a company if I get really desperate. I already have bank
> accounts setup there and I go there often, so it's not a big deal, but it
> really depends on when I can expect Denmark to join the "paid apps club".
> / Mads
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
>> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any
>> clarification you can give on this).
>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
>> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
>> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd
>> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30%
>> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
>> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
>> efficient and legal, etc.).
>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
>> Al.
>> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
>> > I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
>> > wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
>> > external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able
>> > to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from
>> > 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
>> > point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my first
>> > app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
>> > charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then concentrate a
>> > bit on the iPhone development.
>> > BR, Mads
>> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > Google checkout has been working since 2006
>> > It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
>> > checkout in the wild?
>> > It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about
>> > it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
>> > finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
>> > interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
>> > system that no user has ever used before.
>> > Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
>> > apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>> > That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
>> > paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account and
>> > things go very smoothly.
>> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing
>> > and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
>> > goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
>> > system is not even complete and operational for all countries.
>> > Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
>> > the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
>> > checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people have
>> > been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
>> > seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
>> > add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years
>> > or what?
>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
>> > <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
>> > late communicated. I wonder why?
>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
>> > <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada.
>> > But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
>> > be able to sell to another countries.
>> > Now I'm sad.
>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
>> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>> > Agus wrote:
>> > > no Canada?
>> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
>> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
>> > Germany, Austria, and the
>> > >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and
>> Spain.
>> > >> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
>> > end of last year
>> > >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
>> > rest of the world?
>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
>> > <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>> > >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
>> > be a sellers?
>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
>> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>> > >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
>> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
>> > Account at Google
>> > >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>> > >>> > available at market.android.com
>> > <http://market.android.com>
>> > >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
>> > functional yet. We're
>> > >>> getting
>> > >>> > closer! Is the link working for
>> anyone?
>> > >> --
>> > >> ======
>> > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
>> > & Wales with the
>> > >> company number 6741909. The registered head
>> > office is Kemp House,
>> > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of
>> > the author and not
>> > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
>> > it's associates, or it's
>> > >> subsidiaries.
>> > --
>> > ======
>> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
>> > Wales with the
>> > company number 6741909. The registered head
>> > office is Kemp House,
>> > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>> > The views expressed in this email are those of the
>> > author and not
>> > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's
>> > associates, or it's
>> > subsidiaries.
Sounds like a great idea.
But then all the uploads would need to go through you, right? That could
make it a burden for you.
All rights remain with the developer, so that when the wonderful and popular
google checkout opens with a minutes notice in the respective country the
app can be published by the developer themselves, if s/he so wishes?
And while you're at it? Maybe you also want to offer a service that the
developer delivers to you (or somebody working for your of course) and you
will upload it to the Market, to your AndAppStore and SlideMe? Just a
thought...
You could also provide boilerplate license agreements etc. When you are the
partner of google and the customers that would make sense for your anyway.
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any
> clarification you can give on this).
> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd
> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30%
> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
> efficient and legal, etc.).
> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
> Al.
> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
> > I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
> > wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
> > external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able
> > to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from
> > 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
> > point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my first
> > app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
> > charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then concentrate a
> > bit on the iPhone development.
> > BR, Mads
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Google checkout has been working since 2006
> > It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
> > checkout in the wild?
> > It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about
> > it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
> > finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
> > interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
> > system that no user has ever used before.
> > Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
> > apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
> > That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
> > paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account and
> > things go very smoothly.
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing
> > and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
> > goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
> > system is not even complete and operational for all countries.
> > Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
> > the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
> > checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people have
> > been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
> > seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
> > add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years
> > or what?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
> > <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
> > late communicated. I wonder why?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
> > <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada.
> > But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
> > be able to sell to another countries.
> > Now I'm sad.
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
> wrote:
> > Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> > Agus wrote:
> > > no Canada?
> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
> > Germany, Austria, and the
> > >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> > >> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
> > end of last year
> > >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
> > rest of the world?
> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
> > <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> > >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
> > be a sellers?
> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> > >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
> > Account at Google
> > >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> > >>> > available at market.android.com
> > <http://market.android.com>
> > >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
> > functional yet. We're
> > >>> getting
> > >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> > >> --
> > >> ======
> > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
> > & Wales with the
> > >> company number 6741909. The registered head
> > office is Kemp House,
> > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of
> > the author and not
> > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
> > it's associates, or it's
> > >> subsidiaries.
> > --
> > ======
> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
> > Wales with the
> > company number 6741909. The registered head
> > office is Kemp House,
> > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > The views expressed in this email are those of the
> > author and not
> > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's
> > associates, or it's
> > subsidiaries.
> --
> ======
> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
I would suspect that any such restrictions are due to the intricacies
of banking regulations in various countries and where Google checkout
has a license perform certain kinds of financial transactions or not.
Bernhard
On Feb 13, 6:06 pm, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late communicated. I
> wonder why?
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
> > that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another countries.
> > Now I'm sad.
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> >> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> >> Agus wrote:
> >> > no Canada?
> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria, and
> >> the
> >> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> >> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
> >> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> >> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> >> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
> >> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> >> >>> > available at market.android.com
> >> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet. We're
> >> >>> getting
> >> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> >> >> --
> >> >> ======
> >> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> >> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> >> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> >> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> >> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> >> >> subsidiaries.
> >> --
> >> ======
> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> >> subsidiaries.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 4:41 AM, brs <Bernhard.R.Su...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would suspect that any such restrictions are due to the intricacies
> of banking regulations in various countries and where Google checkout
> has a license perform certain kinds of financial transactions or not.
> Bernhard
> On Feb 13, 6:06 pm, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too late communicated.
> I
> > wonder why?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
> > > that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another
> countries.
> > > Now I'm sad.
> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
> wrote:
> > >> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> > >> Agus wrote:
> > >> > no Canada?
> > >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria,
> and
> > >> the
> > >> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> > >> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
> > >> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
> > >> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> > >> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
> > >> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > >> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> > >> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > >> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
> > >> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> > >> >>> > available at market.android.com
> > >> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet.
> We're
> > >> >>> getting
> > >> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> ======
> > >> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> > >> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> > >> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > >> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> > >> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or
> it's
> > >> >> subsidiaries.
> > >> --
> > >> ======
> > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> > >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> > >> subsidiaries.
First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
sellmy apps,
the market may be filled with competitors.
Now - I dont have any problem with competition - I LOVE competition,
and am sure
I can make the best app (otherwise I would not be in this business).
But
if other apps get to the market MONTHS ahead - it makes it harder to
even
impossible to gain the same exposure and market share.
I think I understand the hardship on Google side, but I think they
need to
come up with a solution asap - maybe initiate a solution similar to
the
one suggested here, or hurry and make the arrangements to accept
developers
from all other countries. Go and buy an ESD that handles it - you have
the money...
Or - I will settle for a commitment from Google that they will
eventually
make it so I can sell and get paid here in Israel (I dont mind selling
only
in the US - dont need to sell in Israel), and they let me start
selling NOW,
and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
Anyway - Al - please keep us updated if you are going to suggest such
an arrangement - I tink I, for one, will be interested.
Thanks !
On Feb 14, 10:48 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any
> clarification you can give on this).
> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd
> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30%
> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
> efficient and legal, etc.).
> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
> Al.
> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
> > I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
> > wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
> > external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able
> > to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from
> > 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
> > point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my first
> > app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
> > charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then concentrate a
> > bit on the iPhone development.
> > BR, Mads
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Google checkout has been working since 2006
> > It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
> > checkout in the wild?
> > It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about
> > it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
> > finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
> > interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
> > system that no user has ever used before.
> > Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
> > apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
> > That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
> > paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account and
> > things go very smoothly.
> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing
> > and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
> > goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
> > system is not even complete and operational for all countries.
> > Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
> > the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
> > checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people have
> > been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
> > seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
> > add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years
> > or what?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
> > <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
> > late communicated. I wonder why?
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
> > <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada.
> > But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
> > be able to sell to another countries.
> > Now I'm sad.
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
> > Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> > Agus wrote:
> > > no Canada?
> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
> > Germany, Austria, and the
> > >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> > >> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
> > end of last year
> > >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
> > rest of the world?
> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
> > <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> > >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
> > be a sellers?
> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> > >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
> > Account at Google
> > >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> > >>> > available at market.android.com
> > <http://market.android.com>
> > >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
> > functional yet. We're
> > >>> getting
> > >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> > >> --
> > >> ======
> > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
> > & Wales with the
> > >> company number 6741909. The registered head
> > office is Kemp House,
> > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of
> > the author and not
> > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
> > it's associates, or it's
> > >> subsidiaries.
> > --
> > ======
> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
> > Wales with the
> > company number 6741909. The registered head
> > office is Kemp House,
> > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> > The views expressed in this email are those of the
> >
> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
> sellmy apps,
> the market may be filled with competitors.
> and they let me start
> selling NOW,
> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shimo...@gmail.com <shimo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to chime in on this.
> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
> sellmy apps,
> the market may be filled with competitors.
> Now - I dont have any problem with competition - I LOVE competition,
> and am sure
> I can make the best app (otherwise I would not be in this business).
> But
> if other apps get to the market MONTHS ahead - it makes it harder to
> even
> impossible to gain the same exposure and market share.
> I think I understand the hardship on Google side, but I think they
> need to
> come up with a solution asap - maybe initiate a solution similar to
> the
> one suggested here, or hurry and make the arrangements to accept
> developers
> from all other countries. Go and buy an ESD that handles it - you have
> the money...
> Or - I will settle for a commitment from Google that they will
> eventually
> make it so I can sell and get paid here in Israel (I dont mind selling
> only
> in the US - dont need to sell in Israel), and they let me start
> selling NOW,
> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
> Anyway - Al - please keep us updated if you are going to suggest such
> an arrangement - I tink I, for one, will be interested.
> Thanks !
> On Feb 14, 10:48 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
>> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd appreciate any
>> clarification you can give on this).
>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
>> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
>> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store. What I'd
>> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets 30%
>> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
>> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
>> efficient and legal, etc.).
>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
>> Al.
>> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
>> > I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
>> > wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
>> > external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be able
>> > to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere from
>> > 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
>> > point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my first
>> > app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
>> > charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then concentrate a
>> > bit on the iPhone development.
>> > BR, Mads
>> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > > Google checkout has been working since 2006
>> > It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
>> > checkout in the wild?
>> > It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something about
>> > it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
>> > finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
>> > interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
>> > system that no user has ever used before.
>> > Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
>> > apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>> > That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
>> > paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account and
>> > things go very smoothly.
>> > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant thing
>> > and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
>> > goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
>> > system is not even complete and operational for all countries.
>> > Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
>> > the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
>> > checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people have
>> > been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
>> > seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will actually
>> > add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or years
>> > or what?
>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
>> > <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
>> > late communicated. I wonder why?
>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
>> > <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada.
>> > But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
>> > be able to sell to another countries.
>> > Now I'm sad.
>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
>> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
>> > Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>> > Agus wrote:
>> > > no Canada?
>> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
>> > <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
>> > Germany, Austria, and the
>> > >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>> > >> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
>> > end of last year
>> > >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
>> > rest of the world?
>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
>> > <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>> > >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
>> > be a sellers?
>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
>> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>> > >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
>> > <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
>> > Account at Google
>> > >>> CheckoutFree' is now
>> > >>> > available at market.android.com
>> > <http://market.android.com>
>> > >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
>> > functional yet. We're
>> > >>> getting
>> > >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>> > >> --
>> > >> ======
>> > >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
>> > & Wales with the
>> > >> company number 6741909. The registered head
>> > office is Kemp House,
>> > >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>> > >> The views expressed in this email are those of
>> > the author and not
>> > >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
>> > it's associates, or it's
>> > >> subsidiaries.
>> > --
>> > ======
>> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
>> > Wales with the
>> > company number 6741909. The registered head
>> > office is Kemp House,
>> > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>> > The views expressed in this email are those of the
>> > author and not
>> > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's
>> > associates, or it's
>> > subsidiaries.
>> --
>> ======
>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with
>> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
>> sellmy apps,
>> the market may be filled with competitors.
>> and they let me start
>> selling NOW,
>> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
> Amen.
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shimo...@gmail.com <shimo...@gmail.com > > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I would like to chime in on this.
>> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
>> sellmy apps,
>> the market may be filled with competitors.
>> Now - I dont have any problem with competition - I LOVE competition,
>> and am sure
>> I can make the best app (otherwise I would not be in this business).
>> But
>> if other apps get to the market MONTHS ahead - it makes it harder to
>> even
>> impossible to gain the same exposure and market share.
>> I think I understand the hardship on Google side, but I think they
>> need to
>> come up with a solution asap - maybe initiate a solution similar to
>> the
>> one suggested here, or hurry and make the arrangements to accept
>> developers
>> from all other countries. Go and buy an ESD that handles it - you
>> have
>> the money...
>> Or - I will settle for a commitment from Google that they will
>> eventually
>> make it so I can sell and get paid here in Israel (I dont mind
>> selling
>> only
>> in the US - dont need to sell in Israel), and they let me start
>> selling NOW,
>> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
>> Anyway - Al - please keep us updated if you are going to suggest such
>> an arrangement - I tink I, for one, will be interested.
>> Thanks !
>> On Feb 14, 10:48 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
>>> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd
>>> appreciate any
>>> clarification you can give on this).
>>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
>>> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
>>> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store.
>>> What I'd
>>> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets
>>> 30%
>>> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
>>> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
>>> efficient and legal, etc.).
>>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
>>> Al.
>>> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
>>>> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
>>>> wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
>>>> external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be
>>>> able
>>>> to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere
>>>> from
>>>> 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
>>>> point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my
>>>> first
>>>> app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
>>>> charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then
>>>> concentrate a
>>>> bit on the iPhone development.
>>>> BR, Mads
>>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp
>>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Google checkout has been working since 2006
>>>> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
>>>> checkout in the wild?
>>>> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something
>>>> about
>>>> it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
>>>> finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
>>>> interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
>>>> system that no user has ever used before.
>>>> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
>>>> apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>>>> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
>>>> paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account
>>>> and
>>>> things go very smoothly.
>>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant
>>>> thing
>>>> and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
>>>> goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
>>>> system is not even complete and operational for all
>>>> countries.
>>>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
>>>> the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
>>>> checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people
>>>> have
>>>> been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
>>>> seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will
>>>> actually
>>>> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or
>>>> years
>>>> or what?
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
>>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
>>>> late communicated. I wonder why?
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
>>>> <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN
>>>> Canada.
>>>> But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
>>>> be able to sell to another countries.
>>>> Now I'm sad.
>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
>>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com
>>>> <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>>> no Canada?
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
>>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
>>>> Germany, Austria, and the
>>>>>> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>>>> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
>>>> end of last year
>>>>>>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
>>>> rest of the world?
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
>>>> <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>>>>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
>>>> be a sellers?
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
>>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
>>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
>>>> Account at Google
>>>>>>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>>>>>> available at market.android.com
>>>> <http://market.android.com>
>>>>>>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
>>>> functional yet. We're
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ======
>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
>>>> & Wales with the
>>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head
>>>> office is Kemp House,
>>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of
>>>> the author and not
>>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
>>>> it's associates, or it's
>>>>>> subsidiaries.
>>>> --
>>>> ======
>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
>>>> Wales with the
>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head
>>>> office is Kemp House,
>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of
>>>> the
>>>> author and not
>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's
>>>> associates, or it's
>>>> subsidiaries.
>>> --
>>> ======
>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
>>> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
>>> subsidiaries.
> Just set up a UK company. It is very easy and cheap.
> S
> On 15 Feb 2009, at 12:09, Mariano Kamp wrote:
> >> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
> >> sellmy apps,
> >> the market may be filled with competitors.
> >> and they let me start
> >> selling NOW,
> >> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
> > Amen.
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shimo...@gmail.com <shimo...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I would like to chime in on this.
> >> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
> >> sellmy apps,
> >> the market may be filled with competitors.
> >> Now - I dont have any problem with competition - I LOVE competition,
> >> and am sure
> >> I can make the best app (otherwise I would not be in this business).
> >> But
> >> if other apps get to the market MONTHS ahead - it makes it harder to
> >> even
> >> impossible to gain the same exposure and market share.
> >> I think I understand the hardship on Google side, but I think they
> >> need to
> >> come up with a solution asap - maybe initiate a solution similar to
> >> the
> >> one suggested here, or hurry and make the arrangements to accept
> >> developers
> >> from all other countries. Go and buy an ESD that handles it - you
> >> have
> >> the money...
> >> Or - I will settle for a commitment from Google that they will
> >> eventually
> >> make it so I can sell and get paid here in Israel (I dont mind
> >> selling
> >> only
> >> in the US - dont need to sell in Israel), and they let me start
> >> selling NOW,
> >> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
> >> Anyway - Al - please keep us updated if you are going to suggest such
> >> an arrangement - I tink I, for one, will be interested.
> >> Thanks !
> >> On Feb 14, 10:48 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
> >>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
> >>> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd
> >>> appreciate any
> >>> clarification you can give on this).
> >>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I would be
> >>> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
> >>> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store.
> >>> What I'd
> >>> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets
> >>> 30%
> >>> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding user
> >>> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
> >>> efficient and legal, etc.).
> >>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
> >>> Al.
> >>> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
> >>>> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
> >>>> wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while using an
> >>>> external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be
> >>>> able
> >>>> to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere
> >>>> from
> >>>> 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
> >>>> point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my
> >>>> first
> >>>> app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
> >>>> charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then
> >>>> concentrate a
> >>>> bit on the iPhone development.
> >>>> BR, Mads
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp
> >>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> Google checkout has been working since 2006
> >>>> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see Google's
> >>>> checkout in the wild?
> >>>> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something
> >>>> about
> >>>> it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
> >>>> finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
> >>>> interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
> >>>> system that no user has ever used before.
> >>>> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish their
> >>>> apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
> >>>> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
> >>>> paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account
> >>>> and
> >>>> things go very smoothly.
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant
> >>>> thing
> >>>> and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
> >>>> goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's their
> >>>> system is not even complete and operational for all
> >>>> countries.
> >>>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said in
> >>>> the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
> >>>> checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people
> >>>> have
> >>>> been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
> >>>> seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will
> >>>> actually
> >>>> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or
> >>>> years
> >>>> or what?
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
> >>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
> >>>> late communicated. I wonder why?
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
> >>>> <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN
> >>>> Canada.
> >>>> But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I wouldn't
> >>>> be able to sell to another countries.
> >>>> Now I'm sad.
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
> >>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com
> >>>> <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
> >>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> >>>> Agus wrote:
> >>>>> no Canada?
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
> >>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
> >>>> Germany, Austria, and the
> >>>>>> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> >>>>>> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
> >>>> end of last year
> >>>>>>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
> >>>> rest of the world?
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
> >>>> <evgen...@gmail.com <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> >>>>>>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
> >>>> be a sellers?
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
> >>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> >>>>>>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
> >>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
> >>>> Account at Google
> >>>>>>> CheckoutFree' is now
> >>>>>>>> available at market.android.com
> >>>> <http://market.android.com>
> >>>>>>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
> >>>> functional yet. We're
> >>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>> closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ======
> >>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
> >>>> & Wales with the
> >>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head
> >>>> office is Kemp House,
> >>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> >>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of
> >>>> the author and not
> >>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
> >>>> it's associates, or it's
> >>>>>> subsidiaries.
> >>>> --
> >>>> ======
> >>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England &
> >>>>
"By the end of Q1 2009, we will announce support for developers in
additional countries."
Probably it means not Q1, but hopefully Q2 for Canada and other
countries.
The first page of Checkout registration doesn't strictly require US/UK
citizenship, only a contact address in US/UK and a credit card number.
Of course I have to pay local taxes using the local rules, but it
seems that Google doesn't need my local tax number for the payment.
Sure, it's a strange idea.
I don't think it's easy for everybody.
For example... if you were from Romania (where you can find lots of
developers)... you wouldn't be familiar with UK law & other legal
stuff (taxes, etc.). And you will probably be required to travel a few
times just to sort these out. (and it's not such a short distance
between these countries)
Besides, what do you mean by 'cheap'?
Individual developers prefer simple things....
On Feb 15, 3:25 pm, Sena Gbeckor-Kove <s...@imkon.com> wrote:
You are right, I think exactly same.
Why there was no information about available countries when I was
spending money on developer account and Dev G1 ?
On Feb 13, 8:38 pm, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why they didn't inform me that the "market" is actually "closed market" for
> me? I believe hunderds or thousands developers are agree with me now.
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't want my $25 back I just want to be able to sell applications. I
> > wonder what was the point of allowing developers get Dev phones in Canada. I
> > mean, it's nice to be able to publish free application but if we are going
> > to be stuck on that until Google releases a phone in here it really killed
> > the idea.
> > A market is not really a market when you can just give stuff for free.
> > I'm actually waiting for an announcement from Google saying when are we
> > going to be able to sell apps _from_countries like Canada and not when are
> > we going to get the phone.
> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'd like to get back my 25$ too!
> >> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Agus <agus.sant...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> @Ivan: same situation here.
> >>> Dear Google, can i have my $25 back?
> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Ivan Soto <ivanso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN Canada. But I had no idea
> >>> that
> >>> > if I was IN Canada I wouldn't be able to sell to another countries.
> >>> > Now I'm sad.
> >>> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
> >>> >> Agus wrote:
> >>> >> > no Canada?
> >>> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> >> Google have already stated UK & US first, then Germany, Austria,
> >>> and
> >>> >> >> the
> >>> >> >> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
> >>> >> >>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the rest of the world?
> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V <evgen...@gmail.com
> >>> >> >>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
> >>> >> >>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could be a sellers?
> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >>> >> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
> >>> >> >>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb <corymgibb...@gmail.com
> >>> >> >>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>> > I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant Account at Google
> >>> >> >>> CheckoutFree' is now
> >>> >> >>> > available at market.android.com
> >>> >> >>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not functional yet.
> >>> We're
> >>> >> >>> getting
> >>> >> >>> > closer! Is the link working for anyone?
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> ======
> >>> >> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> >>> >> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> >>> >> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> >>> >> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> >>> >> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or
> >>> it's
> >>> >> >> subsidiaries.
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> ======
> >>> >> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the
> >>> >> company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp House,
> >>> >> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
> >>> >> The views expressed in this email are those of the author and not
> >>> >> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, or it's
> >>> >> subsidiaries.
I can't point you to a tutorial as I don't have the time to search for
one. There are no citizenship restrictions that I know of. You will
probably also need to set up a UK bank account. Having said that, I
own a UK company, I am aUK citizen but not a resident and y company
doesn't have a UK bank account. We have one in another EU country. I
wonder if Google's checkout forms are able to handle that.
S
On 15 Feb 2009, at 15:16, shimo...@gmail.com wrote:
> Can I do that ?
> Without being in the UK ?
> Without a citizenship ?
> Can you point a tutorial on this ?
> Shimon
> On Feb 15, 3:25 pm, Sena Gbeckor-Kove <s...@imkon.com> wrote:
>> Just set up a UK company. It is very easy and cheap.
>> S
>> On 15 Feb 2009, at 12:09, Mariano Kamp wrote:
>>>> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
>>>> sellmy apps,
>>>> the market may be filled with competitors.
>>>> and they let me start
>>>> selling NOW,
>>>> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
>>> Amen.
>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shimo...@gmail.com
>>> <shimo...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I would like to chime in on this.
>>>> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
>>>> sellmy apps,
>>>> the market may be filled with competitors.
>>>> Now - I dont have any problem with competition - I LOVE
>>>> competition,
>>>> and am sure
>>>> I can make the best app (otherwise I would not be in this
>>>> business).
>>>> But
>>>> if other apps get to the market MONTHS ahead - it makes it harder
>>>> to
>>>> even
>>>> impossible to gain the same exposure and market share.
>>>> I think I understand the hardship on Google side, but I think they
>>>> need to
>>>> come up with a solution asap - maybe initiate a solution similar to
>>>> the
>>>> one suggested here, or hurry and make the arrangements to accept
>>>> developers
>>>> from all other countries. Go and buy an ESD that handles it - you
>>>> have
>>>> the money...
>>>> Or - I will settle for a commitment from Google that they will
>>>> eventually
>>>> make it so I can sell and get paid here in Israel (I dont mind
>>>> selling
>>>> only
>>>> in the US - dont need to sell in Israel), and they let me start
>>>> selling NOW,
>>>> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
>>>> Anyway - Al - please keep us updated if you are going to suggest
>>>> such
>>>> an arrangement - I tink I, for one, will be interested.
>>>> Thanks !
>>>> On Feb 14, 10:48 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>>>>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
>>>>> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd
>>>>> appreciate any
>>>>> clarification you can give on this).
>>>>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I
>>>>> would be
>>>>> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
>>>>> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store.
>>>>> What I'd
>>>>> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets
>>>>> 30%
>>>>> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding
>>>>> user
>>>>> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
>>>>> efficient and legal, etc.).
>>>>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
>>>>> Al.
>>>>> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
>>>>>> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
>>>>>> wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while
>>>>>> using an
>>>>>> external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
>>>>>> point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
>>>>>> charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then
>>>>>> concentrate a
>>>>>> bit on the iPhone development.
>>>>>> BR, Mads
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp
>>>>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Google checkout has been working since 2006
>>>>>> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see
>>>>>> Google's
>>>>>> checkout in the wild?
>>>>>> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
>>>>>> finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
>>>>>> interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
>>>>>> system that no user has ever used before.
>>>>>> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>>>>>> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
>>>>>> paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> things go very smoothly.
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto
>>>>>> <ivanso...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
>>>>>> goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> system is not even complete and operational for all
>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
>>>>>> checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
>>>>>> seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> or what?
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
>>>>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
>>>>>> late communicated. I wonder why?
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
>>>>>> <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN
>>>>>> Canada.
>>>>>> But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> be able to sell to another countries.
>>>>>> Now I'm sad.
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
>>>>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com
>>>>>> <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>>>>> no Canada?
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
>>>>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
>>>>>> Germany, Austria, and the
>>>>>>>> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>>>>>> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
>>>>>> end of last year
>>>>>>>>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
>>>>>> rest of the world?
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
>>>>>> <evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>>>>>>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
>>>>>> be a sellers?
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
>>>>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
>>>>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
>>>>>> Account at Google
>>>>>>>>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>>>>>>>> available at market.android.com
>>>>>> <http://market.android.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
>>>>>> functional yet. We're
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> closer! Is the link working for anyone?
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ======
>>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England
>>>>>> & Wales with the
>>>>>>>> company number 6741909. The registered head
>>>>>> office is Kemp House,
>>>>>>>> 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK.
>>>>>>>> The views expressed in this email are those of
>>>>>> the author and not
>>>>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
>>>>>> it's associates, or it's
>>>>>>>> subsidiaries.
> Can I do that ?
> Without being in the UK ?
> Without a citizenship ?
> Can you point a tutorial on this ?
> Shimon
> On Feb 15, 3:25 pm, Sena Gbeckor-Kove <s...@imkon.com> wrote:
>> Just set up a UK company. It is very easy and cheap.
>> S
>> On 15 Feb 2009, at 12:09, Mariano Kamp wrote:
>>>> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
>>>> sellmy apps,
>>>> the market may be filled with competitors.
>>>> and they let me start
>>>> selling NOW,
>>>> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
>>> Amen.
>>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shimo...@gmail.com
>>> <shimo...@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I would like to chime in on this.
>>>> First - this is REALLY frustrating - by the time I can sign in and
>>>> sellmy apps,
>>>> the market may be filled with competitors.
>>>> Now - I dont have any problem with competition - I LOVE
>>>> competition,
>>>> and am sure
>>>> I can make the best app (otherwise I would not be in this
>>>> business).
>>>> But
>>>> if other apps get to the market MONTHS ahead - it makes it harder
>>>> to
>>>> even
>>>> impossible to gain the same exposure and market share.
>>>> I think I understand the hardship on Google side, but I think they
>>>> need to
>>>> come up with a solution asap - maybe initiate a solution similar to
>>>> the
>>>> one suggested here, or hurry and make the arrangements to accept
>>>> developers
>>>> from all other countries. Go and buy an ESD that handles it - you
>>>> have
>>>> the money...
>>>> Or - I will settle for a commitment from Google that they will
>>>> eventually
>>>> make it so I can sell and get paid here in Israel (I dont mind
>>>> selling
>>>> only
>>>> in the US - dont need to sell in Israel), and they let me start
>>>> selling NOW,
>>>> and accumulate my funds until they can transfer them to me.
>>>> Anyway - Al - please keep us updated if you are going to suggest
>>>> such
>>>> an arrangement - I tink I, for one, will be interested.
>>>> Thanks !
>>>> On Feb 14, 10:48 am, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>>>>> OK, I'm going to float an idea that I'd like some feedback on from
>>>>> developers and (hopefully) someone at Google (Justin, I'd
>>>>> appreciate any
>>>>> clarification you can give on this).
>>>>> My company (Funky Android) is a UK Registered company and I
>>>>> would be
>>>>> willing to allow it to act as a publisher for *some* non-US/UK
>>>>> developers in order to get their paid apps into the app store.
>>>>> What I'd
>>>>> look for is a 2% cut of the app sales price on top of the Markets
>>>>> 30%
>>>>> cut in order to cover support and admin costs (i.e. forwarding
>>>>> user
>>>>> queries, paying the accountant to make sure the money flow is tax
>>>>> efficient and legal, etc.).
>>>>> Is this something developers would want and Google would allow?
>>>>> Al.
>>>>> Mads Kristiansen wrote:
>>>>>> I'd like to see someone create a solution like armadillo - i.e. a
>>>>>> wrapper to make apps available in the Android Market while
>>>>>> using an
>>>>>> external DRM/payment solution. There is no word on when I will be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to publish priced apps form my country, so that could be anywhere
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> 1 month to years from now (well, probably not, but just to make a
>>>>>> point). That's a bit of a problem. I'll probably just publish my
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> app and then do some shameless self promotion in it ;) instead of
>>>>>> charging, see what happens with the priced apps and then
>>>>>> concentrate a
>>>>>> bit on the iPhone development.
>>>>>> BR, Mads
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 8:28 AM, Mariano Kamp
>>>>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Google checkout has been working since 2006
>>>>>> It might be operational since then, but did anyone see
>>>>>> Google's
>>>>>> checkout in the wild?
>>>>>> It is in Google's the best interest to finally do something
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> it and make it mandatory to use for people so that they will
>>>>>> finally start using it, but I don't think it is in the best
>>>>>> interest of developers to be forced to use an exotic payment
>>>>>> system that no user has ever used before.
>>>>>> Given that non-us/uk developers are not allowed to publish
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> apps makes the story worse, at least for those developers.
>>>>>> That's the beauty of Apple's solution. They also don't provide
>>>>>> paypal, but at least most user already have an iTunes account
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> things go very smoothly.
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Ivan Soto
>>>>>> <ivanso...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I've been reading a lot about this whole Google Merchant
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> and it's actually that Google Checkout only allows to sell
>>>>>> goods from US and UK. It's not an Android thing, it's
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> system is not even complete and operational for all
>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>> Well, I know they will add more countries like they said
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the email but I wonder what is the ETA on Canada. Google
>>>>>> checkout has been working since 2006 I believe and people
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been whining since then. Still nothing has been done. So
>>>>>> seeing how slow is this going, I wonder if they will
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> add Canada (or more countries) in a matter of months or
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> or what?
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mariano Kamp
>>>>>> <mariano.k...@gmail.com <mailto:mariano.k...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, that is really really bad and even worse and too
>>>>>> late communicated. I wonder why?
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Ivan Soto
>>>>>> <ivanso...@gmail.com <mailto:ivanso...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I knew you wouldn't be able to buy or sell IN
>>>>>> Canada.
>>>>>> But I had no idea that if I was IN Canada I
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> be able to sell to another countries.
>>>>>> Now I'm sad.
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Al Sutton
>>>>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com
>>>>>> <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Does Canada appear in the list in the email?
>>>>>> Agus wrote:
>>>>>>> no Canada?
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Al Sutton
>>>>>> <a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Google have already stated UK & US first, then
>>>>>> Germany, Austria, and the
>>>>>>>> Netherlands, followed by France, Italy, and Spain.
>>>>>>>> It was all in an email Google sent out at the
>>>>>> end of last year
>>>>>>>>> Will it be possible to sell from Canada to the
>>>>>> rest of the world?
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Evgeny V
>>>>>> <evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:evgen...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But it's available for US and UK countires!
>>>>>>>>> Means it that only US and UK citizen could
>>>>>> be a sellers?
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM, g1bb
>>>>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Woah, now I can specify a price!
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 10:12 am, g1bb
>>>>>> <corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:corymgibb...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I noticed a 'Setup a Merchant
>>>>>> Account at Google
>>>>>>>>> CheckoutFree' is now
>>>>>>>>>> available at market.android.com
>>>>>> <http://market.android.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://market.android.com/>, but not
>>>>>> functional yet. We're
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> closer! Is the link working for anyone?
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>>>>>> the author and not
>>>>>>>> necessarily those of Funky Android Limited,
>>>>>> it's associates, or it's
>>>>>>>> subsidiaries.
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