david wrote:
> Ladies and gentlemen,

> I know many of you are working on your applications for your company
> or for a client.  However, there are also many maverick developers out
> there writing code on their own.  I am writing this message to invite
> those individuals who have an app and a dream to join our virtual team
> at AdroitAndroid.

> Benefits:
> -  AdroitAndroid will function as a community of developers that will
> create an application development framework to which you will have
> access.
> -  It will serve as your personal network of experts and peer
> developers who will be virtual resources to help you develop your
> dream application.
> -  Most importantly (and how this differs from an open source group),
> AdroitAndroid will ensure that you get PAID.  Because you will become
> a member (read: OWNER) of the LLC, you will get distributions from the
> profits on ALL of the applications that AdroitAndroid publishes.  This
> means you don't have to put something out on the market and just hope
> that people buy it.  AdroitAndroid will have a promotional budget to
> advertise and promote your applications and then send you a check for
> a portion of the profits generated on ALL AdroitAndroid applications.

> Restrictions and responsibilities:
> -  You must apply for membership in the AdroitAndroid LLC.
> -  There is a $200 non-refundable application fee.
> -  All members must dedicate a (yet to be determined) set number of
> hours to work on AdroitAndroid projects and/or management.
> -  All members will be subject to the operating agreement.

> Memberships applications will be evaluated based on criteria
> including, but not limited to:
> --  Work experience
> --  Software development/management skill
> --  Availability to work on projects
> --  References
> --  Creativity
> --  Telephone interview
> --  AdroitAndroid needs

> For additional details and an application, please email me.  Also, if
> you are interested in a leadership position with AdroitAndroid, please
> indicate your interest and relevant experience in leading a technology
> organization.  Thanks!

> It's time to put the power of our community to work for it's members!

> AdroitAndroid will have a promotional budget to
> advertise and promote your applications and then send you a check for
> a portion of the profits generated on ALL AdroitAndroid applications.

> Restrictions and responsibilities:
> -  You must apply for membership in the AdroitAndroid LLC.
> -  There is a $200 non-refundable application fee.
> -  All members must dedicate a (yet to be determined) set number of
> hours to work on AdroitAndroid projects and/or management.
> -  All members will be subject to the operating agreement.

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> Wow, this is definitely the most blatant scam I've ever seen posted on
> this list.

> > AdroitAndroid will have a promotional budget to
> > advertise and promote your applications and then send you a check for
> > a portion of the profits generated on ALL AdroitAndroid applications.

> > Restrictions and responsibilities:
> > -  You must apply for membership in the AdroitAndroid LLC.
> > -  There is a $200 non-refundable application fee.
> > -  All members must dedicate a (yet to be determined) set number of
> > hours to work on AdroitAndroid projects and/or management.
> > -  All members will be subject to the operating agreement.

> Let's boil this down to the essentials.  I will use DEV to represent the
> independent developer, and AALLC to represent AdroitAndroid LLC, and I
> will break it down to workflows.

> Flow 1
> - ------
> DEV pays AALLC $200.
> AALLC tells dev "sorry, we don't want you".

> Summary: AALLC gets $200, DEV gets nothing.  Total scam.

> Flow 2
> - ------
> DEV pays AALLC $200.
> AALLC tells DEV "we want you".
> DEV gives AALLC DEV's apps to sell.
> DEV gives programming and management time to AALLC.
> AALLC pays DEV "a portion of the profits".

> Summary: AALLC gets $200, DEV's apps, lots of DEV's time.  DEV gets "a
> portion of the profits", which must be less than DEV would have received
> selling DEV's programs (has to pay out management and marketing costs,
> at least).  Not a total scam, more of a cult really.

> So, this offer is either a total scam, or a cult invitation.  I
> sincerely hope no one on this list is stupid enough to fall for this.

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david wrote:
> Since Google groups won't let me edit my original post, nor let me
> post this reply to your comments with my AdroitAndroid email address,
> please be aware that I am the original poster.

> I find the lack of trust sad and offensive... but understandable.

> The application fee was meant to provide the LLC with startup cash,
> not to scam anyone.  To address this concern, we have amended the
> program so that THERE IS NO APPLICATION FEE, but anyone accepted as a
> member must buy in, for which they will have documented proof of
> ownership and a signed operating agreement.  The buy in amount will be
> determined when the number of founders is known and will be based on
> the projected costs of running the start-up for six months.

> Note that AdroitAndroid is not an agency.  You won't just be talent
> farmed out for corporate profit.  You will be AN OWNER who SHARES in
> the profit.

> The founders of this organization are experienced technologists,
> entrepreneurs, and management consultants who have strong professional
> credentials and who can provide professional references for anyone who
> has doubts about credibility.  We are doing this to HELP the
> community, not hurt it.

> Please email me at my adroitandroid email address if you are
> interested.

> Joey, to address your second point, Flow 2 works best for the
> developer only if his application sells.  If it doesn't, he's put all
> his time and effort into it for nothing.  This "cult", as you call it,
> is a risk-management device so that the developer's risk is shared by
> a community.  Thus, the developers with the top selling projects will
> earn less than they otherwise would, but the developers who would have
> earned less will get more.  It balances everything out...

> On Oct 17, 1:44 pm, Joey Yandle <xol...@gmail.com> wrote:

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>> Wow, this is definitely the most blatant scam I've ever seen posted on
>> this list.

>>> AdroitAndroid will have a promotional budget to
>>> advertise and promote your applications and then send you a check for
>>> a portion of the profits generated on ALL AdroitAndroid applications.

>>> Restrictions and responsibilities:
>>> -  You must apply for membership in the AdroitAndroid LLC.
>>> -  There is a $200 non-refundable application fee.
>>> -  All members must dedicate a (yet to be determined) set number of
>>> hours to work on AdroitAndroid projects and/or management.
>>> -  All members will be subject to the operating agreement.

>> Let's boil this down to the essentials.  I will use DEV to represent the
>> independent developer, and AALLC to represent AdroitAndroid LLC, and I
>> will break it down to workflows.

>> Flow 1
>> - ------
>> DEV pays AALLC $200.
>> AALLC tells dev "sorry, we don't want you".

>> Summary: AALLC gets $200, DEV gets nothing.  Total scam.

>> Flow 2
>> - ------
>> DEV pays AALLC $200.
>> AALLC tells DEV "we want you".
>> DEV gives AALLC DEV's apps to sell.
>> DEV gives programming and management time to AALLC.
>> AALLC pays DEV "a portion of the profits".

>> Summary: AALLC gets $200, DEV's apps, lots of DEV's time.  DEV gets "a
>> portion of the profits", which must be less than DEV would have received
>> selling DEV's programs (has to pay out management and marketing costs,
>> at least).  Not a total scam, more of a cult really.

>> So, this offer is either a total scam, or a cult invitation.  I
>> sincerely hope no one on this list is stupid enough to fall for this.

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> David, it might help your "image" if you filled out your profile
> information and perhaps posted your estimated costs to run the
> business "for six months". Suppose you have 10 "founders", what is the
> buy-in for each of them?

> (Furthermore, how do these "founders" differ from the other "founders"
> you wrote about later on in the posting?)

> Personally as an Android developer, I would want to know *** A LOT ***
> more about your plans than what little you've posted so far on the
> three forums that you've posted to.

> When I go to "http://adroitandroid.com/", I see nothing but a large
> graphic on the page.

> You wrote,

> "The founders of this organization are experienced technologists,
> entrepreneurs, and management consultants who have strong professional
> credentials and who can provide professional references for anyone who
> has doubts about credibility.  We are doing this to HELP the
> community, not hurt it."

> Perhaps you can share with us some bio information of "the founders of
> this organization" that you described in the present tense - beginning
> with yourself.

> And please don't tell us that your head-quarters are in Nigeria!  :)