Gosh ! I Lose even with Mrs.Cookie and Mr.Weather !

[vetch]

I spend +1000 hours on developing. Graphics, design, programming,
testing, testing, testing... Finished my app. It works fast, gives
great user experience, no lags, no delays, intuitive and simple
navigation.

AnCal - Android Calendar
http://vetch.magot.pl/ancal/

Of course, my application is for sure, as "original" as others, but
not polished nor indispensable as others. Who the hell needs PIM ? But
cooking or learning playing guitar is of course on every mobile phone
in the world.

But, even if it is a piece of shit, I'd like to know my judgement
score. Do you hear me, Dan ?

I have now working 1.x version, its READY TO SELL. But where are the
users ? I'm angry.

There is also another: <AnPlay> - audio player in a way, finished in
about 70% (just want reserve name for future :) But I'm not working on
it at this time. Maybe never. I'm not sure if I want to participate
and waste my precious time in Another Damn Cheat, so:

anybody knows a way to sell the finished project ?

Please, help.

greets,
peter

[Nardo]

vetch, I guess showcase your app(s) could give you an option?

If you don't mind letting OHA members and/or general Inet public see
your app, maybe the opt-in may be an option for you?

Take it easy man, it was a contest after all.

And I think we all won something after all: an open source mobile
platform. That's quite a lot, I think.

Even so, general feeling around here looks like deception; it would be
nice if Google kept people happy by just providing a small fund for
the non-winners, distribute it according to final scorings, so that
non-top-50 but nice and promising ideas could get a small reward and
motivation to continue.

After all money flows out of Google's ears, doesn't it? :-)

On May 14, 9:47 am, vetch <OldPete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I spend +1000 hours on developing. Graphics, design, programming,
> testing, testing, testing... Finished my app. It works fast, gives
> great user experience, no lags, no delays, intuitive and simple
> navigation.
>

> AnCal - Android Calendarhttp://vetch.magot.pl/ancal/

[vetch]

On 14 Maj, 10:55, Nardo <leo.nnnaaarrrddd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> vetch, I guess showcase your app(s) could give you an option?

Yeah, but I wonder, how long we will wait for public apps gallery to
be open ?
And how long we will wait for users base to grow up ?

All we do now, is work on developing Android itself, with nothing in
return.
But many of us have limited resources, and remember: "pizza's are note
for free".

> If you don't mind letting OHA members and/or general Inet public see
> your app, maybe the opt-in may be an option for you?

I'd like to get some attention from OHA, but again.. we don't know how
long we should wait..

> And I think we all won something after all: an open source mobile
> platform. That's quite a lot, I think.

I'm afraid we won nothing, until we can't sell our software for the
users using that platform.
Users mostly don't care about Operating System. They care about
software on their nice phones.

> Even so, general feeling around here looks like deception; it would be
> nice if Google kept people happy by just providing a small fund for
> the non-winners, distribute it according to final scorings, so that
> non-top-50 but nice and promising ideas could get a small reward and
> motivation to continue.

I't could be nice, but I do not think it is possible.


greets,
peter

[Andy Bryant]

Hi Peter,

Great job on AnCal. It looks like a really decent, useful, well
designed app. I'm sorry you didn't win, but hope you don't give up on
the platform. It's just the sort of app I would be happy to buy once
real phones come on the market.

Regards
Andy Bryant

On May 14, 8:47 am, vetch <OldPete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I spend +1000 hours on developing. Graphics, design, programming,
> testing, testing, testing... Finished my app. It works fast, gives
> great user experience, no lags, no delays, intuitive and simple
> navigation.
>

> AnCal- Android Calendarhttp://vetch.magot.pl/ancal/

[vetch]

hi,

> Great job on AnCal. It looks like a really decent, useful, well
> designed app.

thanks :)

> I'm sorry you didn't win, but hope you don't give up on
> the platform.

I don't know yet.. but my motivation is very low. Projects are frozen,
first because of lack of users - no rush. Second, because I do not
belive, that ADC II will be better managed than ADC I.

> It's just the sort of app I would be happy to buy once
> real phones come on the market.

I think, users should be glad :)


greets,
peter

[Hong]

wow, it's a pretty decent PIM with nice GUI!
I like the keyboard widget!

1000+ hours, if used in freelance work, at a pity $25/hr, would net you $25,000+ in income...

[plusminus]

Hello vetch,

really good work with a polished ui!
I would use it.

At first hand I know that TrackDroid ( http://www.trackdroid.com/ )
will provide billing-possibilities and very probably also a "Free-For-
All"-Mode.

Regards, plusminus
http://anddev.org
# Worlds largest Android Development Community / Tutorials

On May 14, 9:47 am, vetch <OldPete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I spend +1000 hours on developing. Graphics, design, programming,
> testing, testing, testing... Finished my app. It works fast, gives
> great user experience, no lags, no delays, intuitive and simple
> navigation.
>

> AnCal - Android Calendarhttp://vetch.magot.pl/ancal/

[vetch]

> wow, it's a pretty decent PIM with nice GUI!
> I like the keyboard widget!

I have created my own touch version Date and Time widgets, too :)
And both of these are without Android widgets bugs :D

> 1000+ hours, if used in freelance work, at a pity $25/hr, would net you
> $25,000+ in income...

that's right..

greets,
peter

[q2dm1]

I just saw the winner slides.

A week ago I was kind of angry the judges didn't even have the decency
of making it look as if they actually were judging something. Now I
don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

I'm not saying my application is better than the top 50, but let's be
honest, there are A LOT of awesome apps among the losers who published
theirs, and I don't even wanna try and think about the rest. Some of
the winners have GUIs that make my eyes bleed. On the other hand, look
at Five - http://code.google.com/p/android-five/ - that is a winning
app for me and, trust me, a lot of other people.

How can you take a platform seriosly when its flag ship products
consist of weather and cooking programs? It's sad, really.

On May 14, 9:47 am, vetch <OldPete...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I spend +1000 hours on developing. Graphics, design, programming,
> testing, testing, testing... Finished my app. It works fast, gives
> great user experience, no lags, no delays, intuitive and simple
> navigation.
>

> AnCal - Android Calendarhttp://vetch.magot.pl/ancal/

[luckydroid]

Peter,
Your calculator application looks like a good one.
But you don't seem like you'd be a gem to work with.
Not that you'd want to work with me.
Greets,
Ms. Cookie

On May 14, 12:47 am, vetch <OldPete...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I spend +1000 hours on developing. Graphics, design, programming,
> testing, testing, testing... Finished my app. It works fast, gives
> great user experience, no lags, no delays, intuitive and simple
> navigation.
>

> AnCal - Android Calendarhttp://vetch.magot.pl/ancal/

[Finn Kennedy]

For all of you that are belittling Cooking Capsules (hope I got the name right), why don't you take a good look at the winning list.

1) Very few applications do not have clones on the list.
2) A lot of the applications on there are existing ideas ported to Android.

In my opinion cooking capsules is a good choice for multiple reasons:

1) It ties together several different tasks to make them simpler and easier to organize.
2) It is actually unique on the winning list.
3) The overarching goal of the ADC is to help sell phones, and cooking capsules appeals to a different segment of the population.  To make Android very successful it has to have applications for non techies.

For the sake of full disclosure, I like to cook, but I hate shopping.  But, there is nothing more I hate than coming back from the store to realize I forgot to buy something on the recipe.  I also like trying out new recipes.  Being able to use my phone while in the store to both figure out what I want to make and to check off the ingredients would be great.

Finn

P.S.  Ask yourself if you would have had the same problems with ADC had the judges realized how super cool your app was and you had won.  Perhaps your application was not good or hard to test, you knew this was a content by non-technical judges so you should have prepared for it.  D.S.

[ajd]

On May 15, 5:16 pm, "Finn Kennedy" <finn.kenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For all of you that are belittling Cooking Capsules (hope I got the name
> right), why don't you take a good look at the winning list.
>
> 1) Very few applications do not have clones on the list.
> 2) A lot of the applications on there are existing ideas ported to Android.
>
> In my opinion cooking capsules is a good choice for multiple reasons:
>
> 1) It ties together several different tasks to make them simpler and easier
> to organize.
> 2) It is actually unique on the winning list.
> 3) The overarching goal of the ADC is to help sell phones, and cooking
> capsules appeals to a different segment of the population.  To make Android
> very successful it has to have applications for non techies.

Your list was not the official criteria for judging. If it was then
the cooking app should really won.

>
> For the sake of full disclosure, I like to cook, but I hate shopping.  But,
> there is nothing more I hate than coming back from the store to realize I
> forgot to buy something on the recipe.  I also like trying out new recipes.
> Being able to use my phone while in the store to both figure out what I want
> to make and to check off the ingredients would be great.

Okey you like to cook, just like the judges who declared the cooking
app a winner.

>
> Finn
>
> P.S.  Ask yourself if you would have had the same problems with ADC had the
> judges realized how super cool your app was and you had won.  Perhaps your
> application was not good or hard to test, you knew this was a content by
> non-technical judges so you should have prepared for it.  D.S.

I did not submit an application but I still think the cooking app, and
the other apps as MyCloset, weather channel app, carbon emission
calculator, call-a-cab, should not fare well against the originally
given criteria.

[javqui]

Everybody talk about cooking, weather, call-a-cab, etc.

My motive to cry: Dyno. See my comments yesterday on
groups.google.com/group/android-challenge/browse_thread/thread/
bf2d9a34f33bac58/ba681f0f90959b45

I discard the option to submit a dyno app due the very low innovation
and potential patent infringement (many similar products on market for
PDA and laptops)
www.google.com/patents?id=-vyjAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=11/591,027

Or search in Google for patent application# 11/591027 (This isn’t the
final patent yet, is the publication for examination)

.....
21) Appl. No.: 11/591,027 (
22) Filed: Nov. 1, 2006
Related U.S. Application Data (
63) Continuation-in-part of application No. 11/265,707,
filed on Nov. 1, 2005. (
60) Provisional application No. 60/624,210, filed on Nov.
1, 2004. Provisional application No. 60/732,579, filed
on Nov. 1, 2005. Publication Classification (51) Int. Cl. G06F 17/00
(2006.01) (52) U.S. Cl .... 701/1 (57) ABSTRACT A device and
corresponding method for enabling a user to accurately control,
monitor, and evaluate performance of a vehicle. A portable
programmable computer device that a user can readily plug into a
diagnostic connector port of the vehicle for providing the
controlling, monitoring, and evaluating functions. Accurate detection
of the start time of first movement of the vehicle is made based on
data from an accelerometer, independent of the onboard diagnostic
system and its diagnostics port. A clock is started for measuring time
such that the precise time taken to reach the time- stamped first
velocity value from the engine computer via the diagnostic port is
determined. Data from the accelerometer and diagnostic port is
analyzed and selectively used for accurately and reliably correcting
for errors in velocity data from the onboard diagnostic system
including latency error and errors due to the vehicle exhibiting wheel
spin.

Honestly, I think patent infringement will not be a problem with some
additional work, but where is innovation?, the number one criteria.


Other examples:

Ported to android with better graphics and basic database of drag,
weight, etc.
Software runs in several platforms (including cellular and Smartphone
platforms)
www.nology.com/pdadyno.html

$199 version with dedicated accelerometers.
www.gtechpro.com/ss.html

Check the adc pdf screenshots

It was my fault, I misunderstood the concept and I use the wrong
strategy. A little sad, sorry.

javqui
"passion for innovation"

[Cow Bay]

your finding basically complies with mine.

those submissions judged to be innovative, after lbs functionality is
removed, are everywhere on present market.

those submissions judged to be me-too, after lbs functionality are added,
are uncommon on present market.

[lilly]

> I did not submit an application but I still think...

You know, after several days of seeing you post on almost every single
thread with pure negativity, I took a look at your profile and noticed
that you've been complaining about just about EVERYTHING in this
competition since the very start. And on top of that, you didn't even
manage to submit an entry.

Why the hell are you on this list? It amazes me that you have so much
time to post all these negative messages about everything when you
don't even have a real significant interest here.

There have been some people posting their concerns with the
competition very professionally and accurately, and I commend them for
doing so (and largely agree with the concerns).

But you and a handful of others on the other hand, have completely
poisoned this list with your constant stream of negativeness. I
noticed someone referring to a judge as a "bitch". There are more than
2000 people on this list, and yet its almost only you guys posting,
and all the time.

Obviously there have been issues with this competition. It's clear
that the judging process could be improved, and obviously Google is
doing a pretty poor job at developer communication or even sticking to
their schedules.

However, if you can't see why Google's top 50 list (20% of the judges
were directly from Google by the way) would
contain:

- an application that intelligently finds ways to measure and reduce
your carbon footprint
- a cooking application that includes helpful video clips directly on
your phone
- a weather application with several mobile specific innovations that
current weather apps on blackberry or iphone don't have (and weather
apps are one of the most popular mobile applications)
- MyCloset which allows you to conveniently take pictures and build up
your wardrobe with the touch of a button -- there is no easier way I
can think of how you could manage wardrobe, this is such a great and
useful idea

...then you're probably good at writing code, but you don't really
understand what people want. All of these applications, as well as the
others, tap into whats in the public's consciousness (which includes
by the way about 50% females) and shows a unique mobile application of
that idea. The duplicates show different innovations in the same space
(the next round is going to be tough for them).

Some of you people have obviously worked hard on your application. But
surely, in this age of iPods, we've learnt that a long list of
features is not going to get you customers. Some of the applications
that didn't win are amazing and sure some would make excellent top 50
choices. But don't think that the ones that made it to the top 50
didn't have reasons to. And while Google did mention games and
developer tools, only ~2% of all entries were winners. So it's not
really a big deal that there weren't any "pure" games on the list or
developer tools.

Also, by the way I don't know what competitions you enter, but most
*don't* provide feedback to the losing entries -- you make a
submission, the winners are mentioned and maybe some honorable
mentions and that's it -- it's not an exam or a class project. At
least that's my experience in the past. Google never promised feedback
on entries.

So please, to you and your buddies, try to be a bit more professional,
try not to compare this competition to the Chinese government vs
Tibet, try not to refer to a judge as a bitch - know that there is a
silent majority of over 2000 other people here reading your posts,
that you sound very immature and that your bitterness is not helpful
and does not make anyone respect you. And if you can't do this, please
just stop posting.

-L

[Cow Bay]

there are ways to express frunstration, unsatisfaction and anger, just as
some winner suggested cow poo to me few days ago.

yellow terrorism of calling others "bitch" is barbarous, but don't u think
"white terrorism" to suppress freedom of speak out emotion in "legal" words
to be inhumane?

i dont know how many persons bear the same feeling as mine. i only know that
we dont have to do everything in only one direction.

aren't we in a open world? positive as well as negative comments should be
accepted as long as it is legal.

----- Original Message -----
From: "lilly" <lilac...@gmail.com>
To: "Android Challenge" <android-...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:24 PM
Subject: [android-challenge] Re: Gosh ! I Lose even with Mrs.Cookie and
Mr.Weather !

>

[tberthel]

"And while Google did mention games and
developer tools, only ~2% of all entries were winners. So it's not
really a big deal that there weren't any "pure" games on the list or
developer tools. "

How is this not a big deal?

Does Android need games? I think Yes.
Does Android need developer tools? I think Yes.

Would you buy phone without a developer tool or game? I sure wouldn't.

If you only purchased mobile apps from one website and it had not
games what would you do about it? I bet you would be angry.

Do you really believe that most mobile app sites have all games for
the top 50 are wrong?

Do you as a female not play games? I bet you do.

What is so great about LBS when it is trivial and a privacy problem
waiting to happen?

Would I play a LBS only game without a proxy locations service? Hell
No. I don't like being spied upon already by the NSA, SSSG, and ATF.
Last thing I want is foreign nationals and other to have the same
power.

I think it is a very Big Deal.

[Everyone are winners except some losers]

lilly,
I agree with you. Some people just only know how to write program but
doesn't know how to act like a grow-up people.


peter and couple of real losers out there,

Your AndCal appllication is good and polished. You whine so much about
Mrs. Cookie so I have questions for you.

1. What are the originality in your application??? Every PDA phone out
there having more than one and many has a lot of features than your.
2. What's a specificic android features that you used in your
application? Every PDA phone out there already have PIM application
that already do a lot more than yours.

You beg so much about the 4 criterias. IMHO Mrs.Cookis may lose a bit
to your apps in #4 criteria but it equals to you in #3 and win your
hand down in #1 and #2. Please use some logic (if you have some) not
your blindlessly biassed opinions.

BTW You really took 1000 hours to develop this apps!!!!!????? My not
winning PIM application currently has about 75% of your functionality,
mine also have custom date/time input and have a few more Android
specific features that you don't have. It took me less than 200 hours.
I'm an only an average programmer in my company so I think that if you
really took 1000 hours to develope JUST ANOTHER CALENDAR APPS then
it's your problem....

BTW2 even if Mrs.Cookie and Mr.Weathers did not win and the judge
fully strict to the 4 criterias, IMHO you stills have no chance of
winning anyway because you will get nearly zero score in #1 and #2.
Goodluck with your whining and mud slinging.

[Shane Isbell]

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:14 AM, q2dm1 <trevo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just saw the winner slides.

A week ago I was kind of angry the judges didn't even have the decency
of making it look as if they actually were judging something. Now I
don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

I'm not saying my application is better than the top 50, but let's be
honest, there are A LOT of awesome apps among the losers who published
theirs, and I don't even wanna try and think about the rest. Some of
the winners have GUIs that make my eyes bleed. On the other hand, look
at Five - http://code.google.com/p/android-five/ - that is a winning
app for me and, trust me, a lot of other people.

Not only does Five look useful, but it is open-source and we can help improve it (He also made the wise choice of using Maven Masa plugins). These are the types of projects we should be behind. It doesn't matter if Android is the most open platform in the world, if all the applications on top are closed, proprietary applications, then the platform might as well be closed as well. 

 

Shane

[Shane Isbell]

And yeah, we should stop knocking specific winners. That's a little old. For the record, I was pretty surprised by a number of entries, as well. I was hoping that more critical apps would be in the list.  

 

Shane

[A&&Whole]

Well all I say
I love bitches and have high respect for them
Also dont tell me you never used the word BITCH
in your whole life and you goto church every sunday
and swear on your virginity

WE HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO EXPRESS OUR ANGER
AND NOBODY HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP US

If they can play with our emotions we have full
rights to return the ball




On May 15, 9:35 pm, Everyone are winners except some losers

[A&&Whole]

I HATE LILLY

[Cow Bay]

i second u.

only critical/essential apps can promote wide usage of android phones;
freaky apps cannot.

----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Isbell
To: android-...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 8:56 PM
Subject: [android-challenge] Re: Gosh ! I Lose even with Mrs.Cookie and
Mr.Weather !

[Shane Isbell]

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:59 PM, A&&Whole <lonlyti...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well all I say
I love bitches and have high respect for them
Also dont tell me you never used the word BITCH
in your whole life and you goto church every sunday
and swear on your virginity

WE HAVE ALL RIGHTS TO EXPRESS OUR ANGER
AND NOBODY HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP US

That may be true but the moderators of this list have the right to ban you for it.

 

Shane

[ajd]

On May 15, 8:24 pm, lilly <lilacri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I did not submit an application but I still think...
>
> You know, after several days of seeing you post on almost every single
> thread with pure negativity, I took a look at your profile and noticed
> that you've been complaining about just about EVERYTHING in this
> competition since the very start. And on top of that, you didn't even
> manage to submit an entry.

How about you? I looked at your profile and you are entirely new here.
I suspect you're one of the employees of google tasked to counter
negative comments. And what's wrong with negative comments? You want
to hear just positive? You're in the wrong world.

>
> Why the hell are you on this list? It amazes me that you have so much
> time to post all these negative messages about everything when you
> don't even have a real significant interest here.

I have an interest here. My team had spent a month vacation without
pay just to beat the ORIGINAL deadline when google suspiciously
extended the deadline. I suspected it was to favor some entries so we
did not pursue. But we have wasted a lot of money.
I am trying to prove that to myself here. So defend ADC the best as
you can, it is your right and who knows maybe you're paid for it. But
don't question my right to post messages here which I believe are
legal and with basis.

So defend the applications such as MyCloset, weather app, cooking app,
carbon calculator, etc. if you can.

>
> There have been some people posting their concerns with the
> competition very professionally and accurately, and I commend them for
> doing so (and largely agree with the concerns).

I think I did not post any unprofessional remarks here. Can you cite a
specific?

[Muthu Ramadoss]

What's your application?

--
take care,
Muthu Ramadoss.

http://cookingcapsules.com - nourish your droid.
http://mobeegal.in - find stuff closer.

[ajd]

On May 15, 10:35 pm, "Muthu Ramadoss" <muthu.ramad...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> What's your application?
>
>
>

Are you asking me?

> http://cookingcapsules.com- nourish your droid.http://mobeegal.in- find stuff closer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Muthu Ramadoss]

AJD, yes.

[ajd]

On May 15, 10:44 pm, "Muthu Ramadoss" <muthu.ramad...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> AJD, yes.
>
>

Why should I disclose?

[vetch]

> On 16 Maj, 06:35, Everyone are winners except some losers <adc.winner.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1. What are the originality in your application??? Every PDA phone out
> there having more than one and many has a lot of features than your.

you suggest, that weather apps have more originality ?

> 2. What's a specificic android features that you used in your
> application? Every PDA phone out there already have PIM application
> that already do a lot more than yours.

what is that, just an example ?

Or maybe you spend some hours on testing my app ?

> You beg so much about the 4 criterias. IMHO Mrs.Cookis may lose a bit
> to your apps in #4 criteria

this is not a bit. This is whole scale.

> BTW You really took 1000 hours to develop this apps!!!!!?????

yeah, I'm not a kid like you. You know, professional software
needs professional design and testing.


greets,
peter

[vetch]

> On 16 Maj, 06:35, Everyone are winners except some losers <adc.winner.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1. What are the originality in your application??? Every PDA phone out
> there having more than one and many has a lot of features than your.

you suggest, that weather apps have more originality ?

> 2. What's a specificic android features that you used in your
> application? Every PDA phone out there already have PIM application
> that already do a lot more than yours.

what is that, just an example ?

Or maybe you spend some hours on testing my app ?

> You beg so much about the 4 criterias. IMHO Mrs.Cookis may lose a bit
> to your apps in #4 criteria

this is not a bit. This is whole scale.

> BTW You really took 1000 hours to develop this apps!!!!!?????

[Ahti Kitsik]

cool that someone won with both applications! :)
Or, Muthu, were you involved in both applications? cooking and mobeegal?
AFAIK that's against the ADC terms to declare two wins for one team, no?

regs,
Ahti

[Muthu Ramadoss]

Cooking Capsules won ADC1. Mary Ann and myself were the team for Phase 1.

mobeegal is a mobile search engine we develop here in Chennai, India. It was not entered for the obvious reason that you stated and potential conflicts of interest. mobeegal will be in the running for ADC2.

[Peli]

> Or, Muthu, were you involved in both applications? cooking and mobeegal?
> AFAIK that's against the ADC terms to declare two wins for one team, no?

http://code.google.com/android/adc_faq.html#many

According to the FAC it was perfectly ok to submit more than 1
application, and according to T&C 7e ( http://code.google.com/android/adc-submit/tandc.html
)
"If a Participant submits more than one Qualifying Entry, that
Participant will receive multiple Qualifying Grants appropriate to the
number of Qualifying Entries submitted."

but as far as I can tell, no one managed to win with more than 1
application (except if there are some among the 4 anonymous
winners...).

So, Muthu, it is a pity that you did not submit both applications -
you could have won two awards :-)

Peli

[Muthu Ramadoss]

Peli,

Haha.. That is assuming If the judges would have liked mobeegal just like cooking :-)

You are right, we are not limited to submitting a single entry. Thanks for the clarity.

[q2dm1]

> Obviously there have been issues with this competition. It's clear
> that the judging process could be improved, and obviously Google is
> doing a pretty poor job at developer communication or even sticking to
> their schedules.

If the judges actually DID something then I'd agree with you and call
it a process. Otherwise the correct term is "joke".

> ...then you're probably good at writing code, but you don't really
> understand what people want. All of these applications, as well as the
> others, tap into whats in the public's consciousness (which includes
> by the way about 50% females) and shows a unique mobile application of
> that idea. The duplicates show different innovations in the same space
> (the next round is going to be tough for them).

You're obvously good at writing "positive" comments, but if you think
people want cooking and carbon footprint reduction applications then
you must live in a very different world than the one I live in. They
may be useful of course, I love to cook and I imagine I'd use them
myself from time to time, but we're talking about la creme de la
creme, the flagship products of the Android platform here.
Applications you'd use every day, whenever you are. Applications that
make you ask yourself how the hell you managed to live without them
until now.

Trust me, a cooking application doesn't meet this criteria.

Also, I'm kind of sensitive to bad UI design and if I was a customer
and someone told be, hey that's the best Android has to offer, I would
run away as fast as I can and never come back. Don't get me wrong, I'm
just talking about SOME of the winning applications here, but for them
to be in the top 50 when we have gems like, and I'll refer again to
Five (because it is the perfect example of a good idea implemented
with a clean, useful and beautiful UI meeting a real demand real
customers have right NOW) is in my opinion inexcusable.

And if you imply that women prefer other applications than men, yes,
that's true to some extent, but again, a cooking application isn't
going to win you half of your customer base. I can actually back up
that statement, because before I began development I actually went out
and ASKED some females what they'd find useful on their phones, and
none of them said, you know, a cooking or a carbon footprint reduction
app would be great.

> Some of you people have obviously worked hard on your application. But
> surely, in this age of iPods, we've learnt that a long list of
> features is not going to get you customers. Some of the applications
> that didn't win are amazing and sure some would make excellent top 50
> choices. But don't think that the ones that made it to the top 50
> didn't have reasons to. And while Google did mention games and
> developer tools, only ~2% of all entries were winners. So it's not
> really a big deal that there weren't any "pure" games on the list or
> developer tools.

I personally didn't submit a game, but again, are we living in two
different worlds? The game industry makes the hugest profits BY FAR;
if it wasn't for games we wouldn't have seen such immense advances in
hardware technology in the last 15 years or so. I don't know how old
you are but if you remember Wolfenstein 3D (1991) and compare it to
some of the recently released games you'll see what I'm talking about
and how yes, it IS a big deal. Everybody likes to play games. I'm
using my phone only to make and receive calls, write text messages and
play games.

A platform with no games may be cool for some time (until you're tired
of all the cool LBS and social stuff) but is utlimately doomed,
especially with the fierce competition it has to face nowadays.
There's already Quake 3 for the iPhone, for Christ's sake.

> Also, by the way I don't know what competitions you enter, but most
> *don't* provide feedback to the losing entries -- you make a
> submission, the winners are mentioned and maybe some honorable
> mentions and that's it -- it's not an exam or a class project. At
> least that's my experience in the past. Google never promised feedback
> on entries.

Somebody already pointed out that this is your first post, so I don't
know whtether you're actually a developer or not. But even if you
aren't you may be able to see that without us, the developers, Android
is clearly going to die a quick and painful death. If you think that
treating us with respect and doing everything to keep us interested in
this platform isn't in Google's best (commercial) interest, then I
honestly wouldn't know what to tell you.

[Eugene]

> Everybody likes to play games.

Well hello I don't, like perhaps majority of adults I know. Not on my
mobile in particular.

> But even if you
> aren't you may be able to see that without us, the developers, Android
> is clearly going to die a quick and painful death.

Let's just not speak for everyone. I'm a developer and I lost as well,
but you five guys give us losers bad name.

[q2dm1]

> > Everybody likes to play games.
>
> Well hello I don't, like perhaps majority of adults I know. Not on my
> mobile in particular.

There are always exceptions of course. And the multi-billion game
industry shows that you and your friends are indeed, well, exceptions.
There are demographic differences of course, and if you're talking
about the +50 age group than you are probably correct, but I doubt a
platform targeting only that segment of the general population is
going to be very successful.

> > But even if you
> > aren't you may be able to see that without us, the developers, Android
> > is clearly going to die a quick and painful death.
>
> Let's just not speak for everyone. I'm a developer and I lost as well,
> but you five guys give us losers bad name.

If you think what I said isn't true then provide a coutner argument
instead of a meaningless statement. I don't see how I give you a bad
name by saying that a platform can not survive without the developers
who are actually writing the applications for it, but I'm sure you can
shed some light on that one.

[Biosopher]

Up with Lilly!!! And down with all this negative energy.

As for LuckyDroid's comment about team spirit, I agree. Given Muthu's
nearly non-top positive contributions, I'd be asking to partner with
both him & LuckyDroid before any of the haters on this list.

A solid team is exactly what everyone will need for submitting an app
for Round 2. So if you want to keep hating up a storm then it's a
free world so go ahead. Just don't expect to get much love &
responses later when you post questions to the group in your upcoming
times of need.