Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a few files necessary to complete the build.
> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source
> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in
> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to
> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a
> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the
> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and
> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a
> few files necessary to complete the build.
> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
> warning.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 03:07, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: > Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source > tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in > the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to > build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a > source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the > existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and > Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a > few files necessary to complete the build.
> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private > will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further > warning.
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: > Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source > tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in > the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to > build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a > source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the > existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and > Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a > few files necessary to complete the build.
> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private > will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further > warning.
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Is this a just for now thing, and the rest of it will be opened, or will it be like Honeycomb where the parts that aren't GPL won't be released?
<st...@genesi-usa.com> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
>> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
>> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a >> few files necessary to complete the build.
>> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> warning.
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> Is this a just for now thing, and the rest of it will be opened, or > will it be like Honeycomb where the parts that aren't GPL won't be > released?
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The complete silence on this subject is really sending out the wrong
message to the millions (well, thousand at least) of developers who
has been waiting for source code since the previous major update. At
IO the message was clear that the complete source code _will_ be
released with ICS and now the message is just "no comment"?
At the moment Android has had a huge success and the adoption from
different vendors has been great. But everyone is now asking what is
the future of Android with the recent aquirement of Motorola Mobile.
Google really need to be 100% clear on that Android will remain open
(with source code availiable at release, at latest) otherwise will
many lose trust in Andorid (including me).
On Oct 19, 3:41 pm, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote:
> At the moment I don't have anything to say on that subject.
> JBQ
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Steev Klimaszewski
> <st...@genesi-usa.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote:
> >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> >> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source
> >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in
> >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to
> >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> >> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a
> >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the
> >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and
> >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a
> >> few files necessary to complete the build.
> >> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
> >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
> >> warning.
> >> --
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> >> android-building+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
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> >>http://groups.google.com/group/android-building?hl=en
> > Is this a just for now thing, and the rest of it will be opened, or
> > will it be like Honeycomb where the parts that aren't GPL won't be
> > released?
> > --
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> warning.
I'm an engineer. I deal with technical matters, and I talk about the present. I don't take care of non-technical aspects, and I don't talk about the future. And I'm trying my best to not be silent.
Can we now please get back on the topic at hand, i.e. the components of the SDK whose source code was released? There are better locations to have broad discussions that are off-topic here, e.g. the android-platform group.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:51 AM, jakob <jakob.sandg...@gmail.com> wrote: > The complete silence on this subject is really sending out the wrong > message to the millions (well, thousand at least) of developers who > has been waiting for source code since the previous major update. At > IO the message was clear that the complete source code _will_ be > released with ICS and now the message is just "no comment"?
> At the moment Android has had a huge success and the adoption from > different vendors has been great. But everyone is now asking what is > the future of Android with the recent aquirement of Motorola Mobile. > Google really need to be 100% clear on that Android will remain open > (with source code availiable at release, at latest) otherwise will > many lose trust in Andorid (including me).
> On Oct 19, 3:41 pm, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> At the moment I don't have anything to say on that subject.
>> JBQ
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Steev Klimaszewski
>> <st...@genesi-usa.com> wrote: >> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
>> >> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source >> >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in >> >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to >> >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
>> >> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a >> >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the >> >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and >> >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a >> >> few files necessary to complete the build.
>> >> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> >> warning.
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>> > Is this a just for now thing, and the rest of it will be opened, or >> > will it be like Honeycomb where the parts that aren't GPL won't be >> > released?
>> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Android Building" mailing list. >> > To post to this group, send email to android-building@googlegroups.com >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > android-building+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/android-building?hl=en
>> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> warning.
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While you have several valid points, and I agree, you are barking up the wrong tree. These building groups have no "say so" or authority on such subject matter. On Oct 19, 2011 9:07 AM, "jakob" <jakob.sandg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The complete silence on this subject is really sending out the wrong > message to the millions (well, thousand at least) of developers who > has been waiting for source code since the previous major update. At > IO the message was clear that the complete source code _will_ be > released with ICS and now the message is just "no comment"?
> At the moment Android has had a huge success and the adoption from > different vendors has been great. But everyone is now asking what is > the future of Android with the recent aquirement of Motorola Mobile. > Google really need to be 100% clear on that Android will remain open > (with source code availiable at release, at latest) otherwise will > many lose trust in Andorid (including me).
> On Oct 19, 3:41 pm, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: > > At the moment I don't have anything to say on that subject.
> > JBQ
> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Steev Klimaszewski
> > <st...@genesi-usa.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru < > j...@android.com> wrote: > > >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> > >> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source > > >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in > > >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to > > >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> > >> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a > > >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the > > >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and > > >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a > > >> few files necessary to complete the build.
> > >> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private > > >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further > > >> warning.
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> > > Is this a just for now thing, and the rest of it will be opened, or > > > will it be like Honeycomb where the parts that aren't GPL won't be > > > released?
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I think, that most important for developers is source code of java
classes used in framework to allow debug code inside framework
classes, better understand some not well documented features. I'm Java
programmer mostly because all this is possible in Java world and I
think that in Android too. I don't waste time to try to debug black
box like Windows Phone or Apple.
There are at least 12 different categories of people that use AOSP, all with different goals and needs. Balancing all of those categories is hard, very hard, there's no way to reasonably satisfy all the needs of any individual category without throwing everything off-balance, and any decision is likely to dissatisfy multiple groups of people. Android can't be successful without all those people being successful in their specific domains.
About looking at implementation of apparently underdocumented features: that's a dangerous approach, as you risk relying on fine details that aren't documented and that could therefore change with no notice and break your app.
Please, let's move such discussions to the appropriate mailing list, i.e. android-platform. I don't want to have to ignore or reject posts, but at the same time I don't want this list to go off-topic. This is a working list, and any off-topic post here wastes the time of plenty of people who are reading this list in order to get their job done.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:02 AM, ATom <tomas.procha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think, that most important for developers is source code of java > classes used in framework to allow debug code inside framework > classes, better understand some not well documented features. I'm Java > programmer mostly because all this is possible in Java world and I > think that in Android too. I don't waste time to try to debug black > box like Windows Phone or Apple.
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Is it possible to build the WebKit component included here with the
NDK? I wish to include a custom build of WebKit with by application so
I can diagnose and hopefully correct some performance bugs that are
affecting my app.
> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source
> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in
> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to
> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a
> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the
> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and
> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a
> few files necessary to complete the build.
> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
> warning.
Unfortunately, that's not possible. Webkit uses private APIs that aren't exposed through the NDK, so it can only be built in the context of the whole Android source tree. It'd be very nice, though.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Peter Kelly <kelly...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi JBQ,
> Is it possible to build the WebKit component included here with the > NDK? I wish to include a custom build of WebKit with by application so > I can diagnose and hopefully correct some performance bugs that are > affecting my app.
> On Oct 19, 10:07 am, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
>> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
>> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a >> few files necessary to complete the build.
>> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> warning.
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> Unfortunately, that's not possible. Webkit uses private APIs that
> aren't exposed through the NDK, so it can only be built in the context
> of the whole Android source tree. It'd be very nice, though.
> JBQ
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Peter Kelly <kelly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi JBQ,
> > Is it possible to build the WebKit component included here with the
> > NDK? I wish to include a custom build of WebKit with by application so
> > I can diagnose and hopefully correct some performance bugs that are
> > affecting my app.
> > On Oct 19, 10:07 am, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote:
> >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> >> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source
> >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in
> >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to
> >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> >> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a
> >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the
> >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and
> >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a
> >> few files necessary to complete the build.
> >> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
> >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
> >> warning.
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> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
> warning.
Essentially, yes. You'll need to write a proper layer between the NDK and webkit if you want your result to be portable across multiple devices. This is probably not for the faint of heart.
The preferred development process for webkit (and the only practical one I'm aware of) is to build it as part of the whole platform, to run the result and to add your app on top of it.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Peter Kelly <kelly...@gmail.com> wrote: > Does that mean that in order to do this I'd have to maintain my own > port?
> On Oct 20, 12:24 am, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> Unfortunately, that's not possible. Webkit uses private APIs that >> aren't exposed through the NDK, so it can only be built in the context >> of the whole Android source tree. It'd be very nice, though.
>> JBQ
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Peter Kelly <kelly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi JBQ,
>> > Is it possible to build the WebKit component included here with the >> > NDK? I wish to include a custom build of WebKit with by application so >> > I can diagnose and hopefully correct some performance bugs that are >> > affecting my app.
>> > On Oct 19, 10:07 am, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
>> >> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source >> >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in >> >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to >> >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
>> >> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a >> >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the >> >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and >> >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a >> >> few files necessary to complete the build.
>> >> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> >> warning.
>> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "Android Building" mailing list. >> > To post to this group, send email to android-building@googlegroups.com >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > android-building+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> > For more options, visit this group at >> >http://groups.google.com/group/android-building?hl=en
>> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> warning.
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> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source
> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in
> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to
> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a
> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the
> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and
> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a
> few files necessary to complete the build.
> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private
> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further
> warning.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Kenji Tan <tan.kenji.2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jean-Baptiste,
> The kernel source appears to be 2.6.29. I presume it's for the > goldfish (emulator) kernel?
> I look forward to the rest of the source. Thanks.
> -Kenji
> On Oct 18, 8:07 pm, Jean-Baptiste Queru <j...@android.com> wrote: >> Here are the GPL source files that match the 4.0 / r14 SDK.
>> Like we did for all Honeycomb release, this is NOT the full source >> tree for IceCreamSandwich, these are only the GPL parts that are in >> the SDK (along with a few associated files), and they're not enough to >> build the whole IceCreamSandwich for a device.
>> In order to build the Platform and Dev Tools, you need to start from a >> source tree as it existed on android.git.kernel.org, remove the >> existing versions of the GPL packages, extract the Dev Tools and >> Platform packages, and also extract the Extra packages that contains a >> few files necessary to complete the build.
>> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further >> warning.
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No comment wasn't his exact statement. That makes it seem like he was
completely ignoring the point
The comment was, "We're working on it and we're making good progress,
but we're not ready to announce any additional details yet."
Which to me makes a world of difference.
