Online vs Hybrid

[Moss, Cindy]

Hi All,

 

The administrators at my district are wanting to change the description of our online courses to hybrid if they have proctored exams. I’m not sure this is a good idea because all the instruction is done online and if a student can’t come to campus to take and exam arrangements can be made to have the exam proctored somewhere else. All this started because of a misunderstanding but may be out of my control.

 

It would be great to hear from other instructors how your courses are labeled if proctored exams are required. Also what are the pros and cons of labeling an online course as hybrid?

 

Thanks!

 

Cindy

 

Cindy Moss

Skyline College

San Bruno, CA

http://www.smccd.edu/accounts/moss/

 

[Denise Robichaud]

Hi Cindy,

At my institution the distinction between online and hybrid has to do with how the instruction is delivered. Online courses have all instruction delivered online (and some have required in-person midterms and/or finals); hybrid courses have some of the instruction in-person and some of the instruction online.

Hope that helps,

Denise

Denise Robichaud

Quinsigamond Community College

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Hi All,

Thanks!

Cindy

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[Moss, Cindy]

Thanks Denise!

Yes it is helpful and I will pass your message along.

[George Hurlburt]

Corning CC is the same way...
Hybrid means traditional and online instruction.
Online means all instruction is online, but testing may be done in person.

George

George Hurlburt
Professor of Mathematics
Corning Community College
1 Academic Drive
Corning, NY 14830
607-962-9324

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[Chris Allgyer]

Cindy,

I agree with Denise. At my college, a hybrid class usually means that it is one the schedule to meet face-to-face one or two times each week, with the remainder of work being done on line.
For example, most of our 3 credit-hour hybrid classes are scheduled to meet 2 hours each week (say on Monday and Wednesday) with the 3rd hour of instruction to be online.
We do have a hybrid speech class which I believe meets monthly for students to do their public speaking with an audience, while completing the rest of the instruction online.

What your administration is proposing does not seem to me to be a hybrid course.

In our Division of Arts and Sciences, we are required to give proctored evaluations for our online (web) classes. We do have a testing center and a process for students to get approved proctors if they live out of our service region.

Chris

Chris Allgyer, AMATYC Mid-Atlantic Vice President
Mountain Empire Community College
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Big Stone Gap, VA 24219
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Hi Cindy,

Hope that helps,

Denise

Denise Robichaud

Quinsigamond Community College

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Hi All,

Thanks!

Cindy

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[Rouhani, Behnaz]

We are the same way at GPC --

Hybrid -- f2f and online instructions, and they meet once a week in classroom.
Online -- instruction is all online, with proctored exams wherever they are.

Behnaz
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Associate Professor of Mathematics
Georgia Perimeter College Online

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[Kathleen Almy]

Hi Cindy,

 

Our college (Rock Valley College) is the same as the others who have replied.  Hybrid references instruction, not assessment.  We do enough proctored testing in online math courses to ensure the integrity of the course.  For some courses that have a small number of tests, that would be all the tests.  For others, it may be half the tests and the rest are done online.  Still the grades are calculated in a way to guranteed that proctored testing comprises the majority of the grade.  That's how we do it in math, but some other departments may be looser with their proctoring requirements.  I just heard this past weekend that some universities do not accept online courses for transfer if there are no proctored tests.  So erring on the side of proctoring for online (even though administrators may not like it) could potentially help students in the long run.

 

Kathy Almy

Rock Valley College

[Louise Olshan]

Here at County College of Morris (NJ) online courses must have some proctored testing on campus (or at an approved off campus site). It was at least 50% of the grade, but things are getting very lax now and some professors only have 25% of the grade from proctored tests. I am curious to see the ramifications of that. Anyway....

Hybrid is reserved for classes where there is on campus instructional time. Usually hybrid classes meet 25% - 50% of the normal class time on campus.

Louise


Louise Olshan

AMATYC Advertising Chair

Professor Emerita

County College of Morris

Randolph, NJ

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[Larry Stone]

I actually had to “fight” with my new dean over this… a student had complained that I was requiring proctored testing for an online course.  “If it’s online, it should be fully online, including the tests; if you have proctored tests, you should call it hybrid,” is what my dean had claimed.  Thankfully I was able to change her mind, in no small part by showing her the drafted statements by AMATYC on proctored testing for online courses.

 

Here, a hybrid course specifically means that part of the seat time is moved online.  I run a 4-credit course in hybrid format, where we meet 2.5 hours one night per week (instead of 4 hours per week) and most of the lecturing is moved online, as webcam recordings.

 

Good luck,

 

 

Larry Stone,

Dakota County Technical College

Rosemount, MN

 

 

 

 

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[Stanley, Cal]

I too have had similar complaints, so here is my response. Online does not mean taken at home without verification   Online means that we access all of our materials with a computer, connected to the Internet using a browser. All of my proctored exams meet that online definition. And students are required to find an approved institution for me to send the appropriate testing information. 

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[jason samuels]

the descriptions here at BMCC for online and hybrid refer to instruction only. for an online class, in-person meetings for orientation and exams are allowed.

online: A course delivered via the Internet which is 80%-100% online. Some online courses may require campus meetings for orientations or exams.
hybrid: A course in which the delivery of content is distributed between online and face-to-face instruction. At least 33%-67% of the content is provided in an asynchronous online instructional environment with the remainder of the content delivered in a face-to-face format.
http://www.bmcc.cuny.edu/elearning/

Further, in the literature, "online" and "hybrid" are always defined by instructional methods. for example, blended learning environments combine face-to-face instruction with technology-mediated instruction (Graham, 2006; see also Cross, 2006) For a paper i am working on, I've got plenty of articles, let me know if you want any.

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Jason Samuels, PhD
Assistant Professor of Mathematics
CUNY-BMCC

[Moss, Cindy]

Hi Jason,

 

It would be great to see the articles.

 

Thanks!

Cindy

 

Cindy Moss

Skyline College

San Bruno, CA

http://www.smccd.edu/accounts/moss/

 

[wmackey]

Leaving out ill-informed administrators, why can'dt this be done at all schools?

wayne

Quoting Chris Allgyer <CAll...@me.vccs.edu>:

[Orrange, Mary Beth]

At my school, hybrid courses are contractually defined as being 50% seated and 50% online.

Sent from my iPad, please excuse the brevity.

Mary Beth Orrange
Professor, Mathematics
Erie Community College

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[Annette Hawkins]

Cindy,
My College Algebra is hybrid because I use proctored exams. We changed
to hybrid after a student wanted his money back because he thought the
course was totally online. This distinction lets a student know he/she
may need to come to campus.

Annette D. Hawkins, Ed. D.
Math Department Head
Wayne Community College
3000 Wayne Memorial Drive
Goldsboro, NC 27534
919-739- 6863
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Hi All,

Thanks!

Cindy

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[Buddy Saucedo]

In Our College District ... We Use  Online and Online-Partial to distinguish between 100% Online and Online with Proctored Exams.

 

Buddy =)

 

 

 

Oraldo "Buddy" Saucedo

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College of Readiness & Mathematics

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[Moss, Cindy]

Hi All,

 

I want to thank everyone who responded. I forwarded the emails onto my dean and VPI with no response except from my dean who said that nothing could be done. I then contacted the VPI directly and had a discussion about the issue of why it is important to keep the online classes listed as online and mentioned the responses I got from this group. I was also able to convince him that my classes are following the DEAC recommendations and it is ok to have proctored exams and still be an online class. Then a miracle occurred and my classes, at least for Fall, are back to the label of Online. The summer classes are listed as Hybrid so it will be interesting to see what happens to enrollment. Starting next semester we will have a new VPI and possibly a new dean as well so who knows what will happen then.

 

Thanks again, this group is awesome!

[Rob Knight]

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