Re: [cli_dev] New name?
Adam Dymitruk
http://groups.google.com/group/altnet
The focus of this group as discussed before is to focus on the
different non-MS and open source tools that are available to
developers and testers that work in MS shops.
While that's the focus, patterns and other development issues are more
than welcome to be discussed.
I'm by no means making the broad statement that this group made in
it's description.
The castle group is ok for a question here or there. Most of the time
I get issues with a mix of products, so hopefully a group that's just
focused on the tools that are an alternative to MS tools will have
more participants that the specific projects' groups will.
I hope to see you participate there.
Adam
On Dec 27, 2007 4:15 AM, Jeff Brown <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Perhaps we need a new leader to step up and move the community elsewhere
> with the promise of increased accountability.
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> Frankly, I'm very frustrated that we've gone back to arguing over names
> again however important they may be. Moreover, I am offended by the seeming
> carelessness with which this most recent change has taken place. It does
> not inspire confidence for the future. *sigh*
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> In the end, I am here because I enjoy the many threads of discussion
> carried
> out by the members of this list. I would be sad to see it fade away.
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> Jeff.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cli...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cli...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Frans Bouma
> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:56 AM
> To: cli...@yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: RE: [cli_dev] New name?
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> I think the name change makes it LOOK like (so for the brain impaired: it
> doesn't necessarily MEAN that this is reality) that this list was abandoned
> by the 'alt.net leaders', whoever they think they are.
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> What I find really odd is that the description this group now has on Yahoo
> groups IMHO clearly matches what this list INTENDED to be before the name
> change.
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> > I think in general people feel very much like they were part of the
> > whole thing. By changing unilaterally a name with no discussion, it's
> > putting a separation between them and us, where the leaders of this
> > list will do whatever they want, and us will just follow blindly or
> leave.
>
> with the name change to a name without any 'alt' nor 'net' in the
> name, in simply means: we all left alt.net and started/joined a new list.
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> That is: if 'alt.net' is still alive. If not, then it makes sense.
> If it is, then this namechange is the most stupidist move I've seen in a
> while related to alt.net: killing a community is easy: just change the name
> and the description of the hang-out spot of your community and it's likely
> your community will either fall over or walk away:
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> - if the people in the community were in the community because of
> the original name/intention etc., they'll go, so you're left without a
> community.
> - if the people in the community simply stay, you actually have
> created a new community, leaving the original one behind. This might sound
> silly but it's actually quite logical: the original spot to hang out with
> your peers is gone: its name is gone, its initial description is gone. So
> NEW people won't come to the community because of that original name or
> description, on the contrary, NEW people will come to the community because
> of the NEW name/description.
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> If the moderators want to continue the ORIGINAL community, they have
> done themselves a bad job, despite the fact that at the moment the group of
> people is roughly the same as before the namespace.
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> > I'm just gobsmacked at the idea that any community leader would use
> > the law
> of
> > two feet to explain a decision rather than act towards the interest
> > and will of the community so that the law of two feet doesn't bite him /
> her / them.
>
> Yeah well...
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> If you ('you' not meaning you personally) earn a good living now and
> you have the idea you can earn an even better living tomorrow by riding the
> 'alt.net' train, would you really want to give away control over what's
> effectively the base of reason why people ask YOU and not someone else?
>
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