<>:<> Meditation <>:<>
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
love.
Rex
Rexsy.com
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
<>*<>
Julian
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
My Beloved Julian,
Live and enjoy the beauty of the Universe...
The mesmerizing clouds reflected the divinity of the evening Sun,
which came to rest behind the dark mountains. One's consciousness
had
gradually dissolved into the sacred silence of the godly Sun and the
mother Earth. Live and see the beauty of all things! This is the
ecstasy of meditation and Enlightenment.
Cheers!
Rexsy
Julian
> On Jul 30, 5:51 pm, Julian <julianlz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dr. Tuan T. Ho wrote:
>>
>>> In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy
>>> illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
>>> existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
>>> beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
>>> cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
>>> love.
>>> Rex
>>> Rexsy.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q
>
> My Beloved Julian,
Join the queue...
> Live and enjoy the beauty of the Universe...
> The mesmerizing clouds reflected the divinity of the evening Sun,
> which came to rest behind the dark mountains. One's consciousness
> had
> gradually dissolved into the sacred silence of the godly Sun and the
> mother Earth. Live and see the beauty of all things! This is the
> ecstasy of meditation and Enlightenment.
NotImportant
Not too long ago was borned a baby named Rex. Within the first
few moments of life there was this serene emptiness - no eye, no nose,
no ear, no touch, no taste, no beauty, no universe, no light, no
space, no impermanence, no permanence, no existence, no profundity, no
intelligence.
In a moment of awakening to the senses life emerged as a struggle
to make sense of the world around. Such a life was the start of death
of our essential being. As we get to be conditioned , learn, discover
and our past life start to catch up with us we started to look for
this serene emptiness - the ever presence of which hound us daily. We
tried everything we could to satisfy our senses and to avoid all that
disagree. All our acquisition be it material or mental doesn't seem to
be able to fill this deep feeling of emptiness. We move from wife to
wife, house to house, job to job, events to events, and we seek
activities to fill this deep emptiness which seem fathomless in its
depth and breadth.
We find ourselves in a prison of our own making ; not knowing what
else to do. So we try meditation. We read and believe that we need to
fill this emptiness with "nice" things, "beautiful" things,
"compassionate" things. We hung on this wall of our mind of all the
things that brough comfort to us - things that brought acceptance by
other people. It is such a beautiful prison that we often forget or
are not aware of the ever presence serene emptiness. We kept
meditating and each new experience we hung it up on the wall and think
we have arrived. We "felt the presence" of God of divine light, we
hear divine sound, smelt divine fragrance and we felt "happy" and
"accepted".
And yet this serene emptiness continue to escape us. We often
catch glimpses of this during our moments of reverie of profound
acceptance and in moments of total forgetfulness and we even compose
songs and literature and poems to try to express the inexpressible.
And then we felt this profound emptiness yet again.....the
longing continue on in samsara.
Only in forgetting can there be meditation.
LaoW...@wuxin.com
<chio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>alk.religion.buddhism,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.philosophy.taoism,alt.philosophy.zen,alt.yoga
Please trim the xposts appropriately. This appeared in
alt.philosophy.taoism where it is a case of
"asking for the East, to be told there's the West." ;-)
--
LaoWombat
alt.philosophy.taoism: all aspects of taoism
RaaN
Emptiness is an unattainable illusion.
--
RaaN
Keynes
Would you like to buy a vowel?
Rexsy
Welcome aboard NotImportant!
Thank you kindly for your philosophical wisdom...and wish you the best
in your seeking path to...Meditation!
But remember, don't loose yourself in such pessimistic wrong view...of
the Divine Light....
Beautiful sunset over great mountains,
Silent trees, silent in their majesty,
Sunrays gently covered the Earth,
Peace springs world consciousness.
Love & Joy!
Rex ;-)
Rexsy.com
NotImportant
In meditation there is no view and hence no pessimism nor optimism.
Divine light within our mind is not divine light this is why it is
called divine light.
Beauty is of the mind, not of the heart.
What is the sound of a tree crashing if there is no one to listen ?
Majesty is from your mind not from the tree.
Sunrays are neither gentle nor not-gentle.
Peace remainds and when it springs all is lost.
What's the colour of the rainbow ?
Keynes
Cosmic divinity in the over adjectived features of
nature have absolutely nothing to do with it, my
soft and beloved darling so diabeticly sweet.
And stop hugging. We know where you've been.
NotImportant
Look carefully betten the braces
{ }
Evelyn
>
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It is the supreme height of ego to define everyones experience based
only on your own.
Evelyn
RaaN
RaaN
Even if so it doesn't make it false.
--
RaaN
RaaN
> On Jul 31, 10:21 pm, RaaN <raan2...@hotmail.com> wrote:> On Jul 31, 12:09 am, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Only in forgetting can there be meditation.
>
>
>
> > Emptiness is an unattainable illusion.
> > --
>
>
> { }
...white.
--
RaaN
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
My beloved RaaN,
You said: "Emptiness is an unattainable illusion"...
Yes,...unless you have been there, in and out, down and up, upside
down, all around, and across, throughout the back door of the
Universe, etc....
Certainly, this has revealed your unsuccessful attainment of the
Arts...of Emptiness...attributed to your very own worldy ignorance...
But baby...It's Ok...keep trying! May God bless you with higher
intelligence on your journey towards Enlightenment...
But remember...Don't fool around too much...spend more time
studying...
The rain of wisdom, covering the deep space of silence, majestically
arose amidst the cosmic ocean of existence. The sacred trees stood
still in quietude, illuminating sacred reflections of infinite
consciousnesses. In the deep meditative state, where the mind remains
silent, cosmic energy pervasively reaches all atoms of existence.
This movement of energy is intelligence, wisdom. Wisdom is not of
time and space, thereby, not accumulation of knowledge; it is timeless
and eternal, which manifests through meditation.
Peace & Love,
Rexsy
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
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Excellent, Evelyn!
Cheers!
Rexsy
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
My sweet RaaN,
Lesson number 1: "Everything...being said...is fallible!"
Rexsy
Evelyn
There are several stories from various religious traditions which
describe a person with this view. A worm who lives in a radish
thinks the whole world is harsh like a radish. Then there is the
frog in the well story...... I say leave him alone, he is young and
needs to learn more, see more, and most of all to meditate more. Oh
forgot..... he doesn't believe in meditation. Oh
well...... :-) :-) :-)
Peace and love back atcha!
Evelyn
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
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Excellent my dear friend, NotImportant! ;-)
I've really enjoyed your wisdom...
> In meditation there is no view and hence no pessimism nor optimism.
Absolutely beautiful!
> Divine light within our mind is not divine light this is why it is
> called divine light.
Such a limited mind may never experience the Divine Light...
> Beauty is of the mind, not of the heart.
Or shall we say, Beauty is neither of the mind nor the heart...
> What is the sound of a tree crashing if there is no one to listen ?
> Majesty is from your mind not from the tree.
> Sunrays are neither gentle nor not-gentle.
> Peace remainds and when it springs all is lost.
Great stuff!
Thanks NotImportant!
Nice to have you with us!
Joy & Love!
Rex
Rexsy.com
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
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Keep hugging...we just loveeeeee it! ;-)
Rex
Rexsy.com
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
Greetings All,
In the world of Science, Physics, Signal Processing, Controls,
Communications, etc. "White" light does contain a wide spectrum of
signals at various frequencies, colors...That is, it appears white
(empty of other colors), but in reality, it does contain all colors!
This is analogous to the world of Emptiness...
Emptiness is Form, and vice versa!
Especially, in Controls Engineering and Digital Signal Processing, we
use white noise/signal to model/create other signals for various
applications...
Powerful stuff!
You're wonderful RaaN (the World achieves great benefits from your
inputs!) :)
Cheers!
Rexsy
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
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Dear Evelyn,
We do have "Interesting" folks on these forums...
Evil is Good, and Vice versa...
Dialogues with these folks can be invaluable communications on Dharma
teaching & learning...Great benefits for All... ;-)
Cheers!
Rexsy
RaaN
Your ego far surpasses my own. Nothing quite like spiritual pride. I
show you emptiness is an illusion but you ignore it. When you can
show me emptiness I'll look. There are some few here who know
directly what I mean, but those who hold to this idea of emptiness are
worse off than those who have never heard of the idea to begin with.
Sitting piously and smugly seeking a nonexistent void disdaining those
who do follow that dead end, you do little harm to yourself to go
ahead and purchase the wares of charlatans and be placated by the
syrupy sweetness of their ego stokes, but it really does no good
either. Oh well...
--
RaaN
RaaN
Evidently you do not benefit as you continue to cling to your mistaken
notions of emptiness and/or oneness, neither of which obtain.
--
RaaN
{:-])))
> NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> RaaN <raan2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Aside from top-posting,
does Zen really stink?
-th'air of,
jest curios'hoppinging
Rexsy
>
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Dear our good friend RaaN,
The tone of your voice has deeply touched my soul, for your
compassionate attitude has infuenced my consciousness far greater than
words possibly achieved...
we do have some questions and comments on your loving wisdom:
> Your ego far surpasses my own. Nothing quite like spiritual pride.
Not neccessarily...It has been good dialogues...
> I show you emptiness is an illusion but you ignore it.
Not really, emptiness in reality is neither illusion nor non-
illusion...
> When you can show me emptiness I'll look.
Will you?!?
> There are some few here who know directly what I mean, but those who hold to this idea of emptiness are
> worse off than those who have never heard of the idea to begin with.
How can this be true, it all depends! May you proove this for us?
> Sitting piously and smugly seeking a nonexistent void disdaining those
> who do follow that dead end, you do little harm to yourself to go
> ahead and purchase the wares of charlatans and be placated by the
> syrupy sweetness of their ego stokes, but it really does no good
> either. Oh well...
God bless you my beloved RaaN...you'll be in our prayer!
Peace on Earth,
Rex
Rexsy.com
Rexsy
>
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RaaN,
Read what was being said again! ;-)
Love,
Rexsy
NotImportant
All experience is of the mind. With the mind no matter how
expansive the divine light will never arise......it is too busy
experiencing the "divine light".
>
> > Beauty is of the mind, not of the heart.
>
> Or shall we say, Beauty is neither of the mind nor the heart...
>
You still do not get the thrust of what I was trying to say.
Maybe this will help :
Without words we are lost, with words we are trapped.
NotImportant
> On Jul 31, 11:10 am, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 31, 10:21 pm, RaaN <raan2...@hotmail.com> wrote:> On Jul 31, 12:09 am, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Only in forgetting can there be meditation.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Emptiness is an unattainable illusion.
> > > --
> >
> >
> > { }
>
> ...white.
> --
> RaaN
Look again ....... but this time with your heart. It has nothing
to do with colour. Because your mind is fixated and formed by your 5
sense organ and all the attached concepts(6th sense in Buddhism) you
will only "see" these 6 senses.
-------
If "Emptiness is an unattainable illusion" then it is a good
thing, don't you think ?
If we attain to emptiness and it is an illusion then it is a bad
thing, don't you think ?
tara
(in article
<0ab5b6fa-61a7-40c8...@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> How can this be true, it all depends! May you proove this for us?
"Us" ?
>
>> Sitting piously and smugly seeking a nonexistent void disdaining those
>> who do follow that dead end, you do little harm to yourself to go
>> ahead and purchase the wares of charlatans and be placated by the
>> syrupy sweetness of their ego stokes, but it really does no good
>> either. Oh well...
>
> God bless you my beloved RaaN...you'll be in our prayer!
"Our" ?
Who, pray tell, is Us and Our?
NotImportant
Cosmic divinity is inseparable from nature. You cannot have one
without the other. To dichomotise divinity from nature is to create a
split within your own mind.
The divine spirit suffuse all of nature. And we are all part of
nature.
Keynes
wrote:
Then are we divine or is divinity otherness?
If there is oneness, where is any divinity?
All this talk of completeness comes from
the perspective of absolute separation.
It's just stupifying the mind with grand
imaginations. Intoxication, not liberation.
Rexsy
>
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Yes, at the worldly mundane level of existence, without words we are
lost, and with words we are trapped...
At the state of Superconsciousness (Pure Absolute), Neither with words
nor without words...
Joy!
Rexsy
Rexsy
Absolutely Beautiful!
Cheers!
Rexsy
Hannele...@gmail.com
> On Jul 31, 7:38 am, "Dr. Tuan T. Ho" <Tuan.Thanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
> > existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
> > beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
> > cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
> > love.
Suffering comes from malfunctioning, typically because of the
artificialities in the modern world. The beauty of nature is beautiful
just because it is healthy and happy.
> Not too long ago was borned a baby named Rex. Within the first
> few moments of life there was this serene emptiness - no eye, no nose,
> no ear, no touch, no taste, no beauty, no universe, no light, no
> space, no impermanence, no permanence, no existence, no profundity, no
> intelligence.
Even though babies have much less experience than adults, babies do
sense. What luckily lacks, is schooled thinking.
halfawake
>On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT), Rexsy <Dr.Tua...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Jul 30, 10:09 pm, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Jul 31, 7:38 am, "Dr. Tuan T. Ho" <Tuan.Thanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy
>>>>illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
>>>>existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
>>>>beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
>>>>cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
>>>>love.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rex
>>>>Rexsy.comhttp://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><>*<>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not too long ago was borned a baby named Rex. Within the first
>>>few moments of life there was this serene emptiness - no eye, no nose,
>>>no ear, no touch, no taste, no beauty, no universe, no light, no
>>>space, no impermanence, no permanence, no existence, no profundity, no
>>>intelligence.
>>>
>Cosmic divinity in the over adjectived features of
>nature have absolutely nothing to do with it, my
>soft and beloved darling so diabeticly sweet.
>
>And stop hugging. We know where you've been.
>
>
>
>
he washed his hands first.....didn't he.....?
robert
= = = = = = = =
NotImportant
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jul 31, 11:07 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT), Rexsy <Dr.Tuan.T...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jul 30, 10:09 pm, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 31, 7:38 am, "Dr. Tuan T. Ho" <Tuan.Thanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Cosmic divinity in the over adjectived features of
> >> nature have absolutely nothing to do with it, my
> >> soft and beloved darling so diabeticly sweet.
>
> >Cosmic divinity is inseparable from nature. You cannot have one
> >without the other. To dichomotise divinity from nature is to create a
> >split within your own mind.
>
> >The divine spirit suffuse all of nature. And we are all part of
> >nature.
>
> Then are we divine or is divinity otherness?
> If there is oneness, where is any divinity?
The need to split can sometime cause "hernia" of the psyche. And
it can be terribly painful.
When we ask the wrong question we will always get the wrong answer
even if the answer is correct, logical, conform to facts, beautiful in
its argumentative structure, perfect in its syllogistic form.
A good question ot begin with would be - "What is divinity ? "
8-).
>
> All this talk of completeness comes from
> the perspective of absolute separation.
It has nothing to do with completeness but wholeness.
> It's just stupifying the mind with grand
> imaginations. Intoxication, not liberation.
How different is your stupifying your mind with logic and
reasons which by the way also came up from your own imagining ? You
are drunk with the power of your own logic and could not see this
"beautiful prison" you have created for yourself.
NotImportant
This is playing with words. At the xxxxxxxxx(in your case
superconsciousness) there is no words - PERIOD.
When Buddha talked of neither perception nor non-perception he was
referring to a state of mind that has no opposites. To illustrate with
words let me choose the words "love" and "hate". We know that the
opposite of love is hate. So when we talk of "neither love or no-love"
it is referring to a love that has no opposite. If the love came from
our mind we love when we have reason to love and when those reasons
change we no longer love and in fact very often fear will arise and
hate followed very quickly. Such a love is ever changing and it goes
from love to contempt to hate and the whole range of human emotions.
But the love of the heart - we call it universal love - has no
opposite. A person with such a love has no reason to love. He just
love and it came from deep within the person's being. Even when this
person is hated or condemned or persecuted the love remains.
May you be well and happy.
Keynes
wrote:
>On Aug 1, 11:33 am, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
Bodhidarma met the pious emperor of china
who had built many temples and monestaries
and translated and published many sutras.
The emperor asked
"What merit have I achieved?"
"None whatever."
"Then what is the holy truth?"
"Vast emptiness. Nothing holy."
"Then who stands before me as a holy man?"
"I don't know."
A chan master was asked,
"What surpasses the buddhas and patriachs?"
"Buns."
Another master was asked,"What is the buddha?"
"A dried up piece of shit."
When you speak about above and below
you are in no position to know whereof you speak.
Rexsy
>
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Greetings NotImportant!
Excellent! But be careful, one may get trapped in words and
ideas... ;)
We both, basically, have been referring the absolute state of no
opposites, dualism...
How about a small gift from Rexsy to you and the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlPSbS4QKU4
Cheers with Love & Peace!
Rexsy
NotImportant
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:11:57 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
Because no merit is accrued all could be accrued.
> "Then what is the holy truth?"
> "Vast emptiness. Nothing holy."
There is no truth, only holiness
> "Then who stands before me as a holy man?"
> "I don't know."
>
Not Important
> A chan master was asked,
> "What surpasses the buddhas and patriachs?"
> "Buns."
>
A cup of water (I am having breakfast 8-))
> Another master was asked,"What is the buddha?"
> "A dried up piece of shit."
>
Ashes in the 4-winds.
> When you speak about above and below
> you are in no position to know whereof you speak.
I spoke neither of above nor below. I spoke from where I
came....from the eternal void.
-------------------
All the above again is nothing more than a play of words. You
find attracted to words by zen masters and yet you only managed to
smell the rotting flesh of these masters.
Drop it and a breath of fresh air will imbue your spirit. It
can be quite refreshing when you don't have to think 8-).
Keynes
wrote:
>On Aug 2, 9:59 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
Gookedy-gobble zen speak.
Who do you think you're fooling?
>> "Then what is the holy truth?"
>> "Vast emptiness. Nothing holy."
>
> There is no truth, only holiness
>
Sure.
Tell Bodhidarma the REAL truth, master.
Climb out of your own holiness. If you can.
Then we can talk.
>> "Then who stands before me as a holy man?"
>> "I don't know."
>>
> Not Important
>
>> A chan master was asked,
>> "What surpasses the buddhas and patriachs?"
>> "Buns."
>>
> A cup of water (I am having breakfast 8-))
>
Bzzzzz. Sorry the answer was "buns".
Care to try for $50?
>
>> Another master was asked,"What is the buddha?"
>> "A dried up piece of shit."
>>
> Ashes in the 4-winds.
>
Is that a hotel? Smoking allowed?
>> When you speak about above and below
>> you are in no position to know whereof you speak.
>
> I spoke neither of above nor below. I spoke from where I
>came....from the eternal void.
>
A time and space traveler still, eh Dr. Who?
I call you an impostor.
But first you confessed it yourself.
"Eternal void", "holiness", BS.
Are we supposed to be impressed?
All grand quotations off the top of your head.
Stolen goods offered at a steep discount.
Where are your guts?
>-------------------
>
> All the above again is nothing more than a play of words. You
>find attracted to words by zen masters and yet you only managed to
>smell the rotting flesh of these masters.
>
Something is rotten around here.
> Drop it and a breath of fresh air will imbue your spirit. It
>can be quite refreshing when you don't have to think 8-).
If I'm not mistaken you have replied in words.
(Is that correct?) And from a point of supposed
accomplishment (which your communication belies.)
You'd do well to take your own instructions,
as infertile and off the point as they may be.
Find that "eternal void" up your own "holiness".
(Where your head appears to be.)
You can't hear and will not listen to anyone else.
NotImportant
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 2, 9:59 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:11:57 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Aug 1, 11:33 am, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Jul 31, 11:07 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT), Rexsy <Dr.Tuan.T...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >On Jul 30, 10:09 pm, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Jul 31, 7:38 am, "Dr. Tuan T. Ho" <Tuan.Thanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> The emperor asked
> >> "What merit have I achieved?"
> >> "None whatever."
>
> > Because no merit is accrued all could be accrued.
>
> Gookedy-gobble zen speak.
> Who do you think you're fooling?
>
When a vessel is empty it has the capacity to contain anything.
Nothing "gookedy-gooble" zen speak.
> >> "Then what is the holy truth?"
> >> "Vast emptiness. Nothing holy."
>
> > There is no truth, only holiness
>
> Sure.
> Tell Bodhidarma the REAL truth, master.
>
If the source of TRUTH has to come through some form of
epistemology then there is really no TRUTH. If we look at a rose and
we say it is red. A million people say it is red and everyone who
knows the english language and call it red...does it make the rose
red ? Or is red a mind-imposed reality ? If this reality is the
fabrication of the mind what is the TRUTH then.
> Climb out of your own holiness. If you can.
> Then we can talk.
>
The root word of holiness is wholeness. I had alluded to this
earlier on.
We can never talk because you want to teach. All I wanted to do
is to share...important difference.
> >> "Then who stands before me as a holy man?"
> >> "I don't know."
>
> > Not Important
>
> >> A chan master was asked,
> >> "What surpasses the buddhas and patriachs?"
> >> "Buns."
>
> > A cup of water (I am having breakfast 8-))
>
> Bzzzzz. Sorry the answer was "buns".
> Care to try for $50?
>
You understand not what the Master said. What is the greatest
dharma ? When hungry, I eat.
More zen gobbly-gook ? Don't forget you started quoting all these
zen master in an attempt to impress others.
> >> Another master was asked,"What is the buddha?"
> >> "A dried up piece of shit."
>
> > Ashes in the 4-winds.
>
> Is that a hotel? Smoking allowed?
>
Once a student asked a zen master to teach. The zen master just
kept quiet and offer tea to this student. He poured tea into the dirty
cup and continue pouring unitl it overflowed. The student jumped up
and shouted at the zen master....."what you crazy-ah ?" The zen
master without looking up replied that the student is like that dirty
cup --
*** explanation - if you could not get the import of the story
*** Dirty cup is our mess up view of the world. The delusions we
hold....when the cup was poured to the limit no more water could
enter. Basically telling the student that he is full of shit and
nothing else can enter....why bother to learn anything.
> >> When you speak about above and below
> >> you are in no position to know whereof you speak.
>
> > I spoke neither of above nor below. I spoke from where I
> >came....from the eternal void.
>
> A time and space traveler still, eh Dr. Who?
>
I actually knew where you came from. Your mind associated
divinity with God and you seem to take exception to that. I played a
long to see what else from your mind emerged. Divinity, in my use of
the word, does not refer to God but godliness... a state of being, of
Buddhahood etc. Let me share another story with you.
Ven Ramakrishna was a wonderful man and a saint at the turn of
the century. He was a hindu but he like to explore all manner of
spiritual practice. So he practised islam, christianity and buddhism.
Each time he would practice what the religion teaches until he gained
deep realisation of each religion. After his realisation he would tell
his students what he realised using those methods. One day a student
asked him what does a person who do not believe in God realise ?
Ven. Ramakrishna replied - "same as the person who believe in a God."
Keynes, divinity is just a word to describe, albeit not
adequately, the state of being. Don't get your feathers ruffled so
badly.
> I call you an impostor.
> But first you confessed it yourself.
Pray tell, who am I supposed to be impersonating if I am an
impostor ? I do not use my name, very , very few people in real life
in the universe know I am posting this. I live a very simple life on a
farm....I don't have followers, I don't teach dharma, I am badly
maligned in society (thanks to some kind folks who felt I am a threat
to society). I have nothing to promote, nothing to defend and nothing
to teach.
So that in a nutshell is me - a nobody.
>
> "Eternal void", "holiness", BS.
> Are we supposed to be impressed?
> All grand quotations off the top of your head.
> Stolen goods offered at a steep discount.
>
I think it was you who quoted. I replied. Try finding what I
had said that was quoted. Those I had quoted were said in context. If
I had used it wrongly then I don't know what I had quoted. If Ihad
used it correctly than what's wrong with it ?
> Where are your guts?
>
Guts is not an issue. You have some issues - where or from whom
your prejudice came from, I know not. If it came from someone you
don't even know then your ability to assess facts and truth is very
limited. So if someone is pulling your string, you know not where that
string came from.
So what has guts got to do with any of what we have said ?
> >-------------------
>
> > All the above again is nothing more than a play of words. You
> >find attracted to words by zen masters and yet you only managed to
> >smell the rotting flesh of these masters.
>
> Something is rotten around here.
>
I thought you were an expert in zen ... by the way you quoted all
these zen masters. Flesh is used by zen master to represent dharma.
In zen dharma can never be thought. We have to own it. We have to make
it our own. You have to eat the flesh. From the way you threw all
these quotes around I could only conclude you haven't eaten the flesh
but the "rotting delusions" that arose from what was taught by zen
masters. Zen masters also called Buddha as the greatest poison of
humanity....if you understood that you would have understood what I
had said. Sadly you did not and you would rather resort to sarcasm and
childish bravado.
> > Drop it and a breath of fresh air will imbue your spirit. It
> >can be quite refreshing when you don't have to think 8-).
>
> If I'm not mistaken you have replied in words.
> (Is that correct?) And from a point of supposed
> accomplishment (which your communication belies.)
>
The medium is based on words. What accomplishment have I
claimed ?
As I said, I was sharing.... particularly with Dr.Tuan...
> You'd do well to take your own instructions,
> as infertile and off the point as they may be.
> Find that "eternal void" up your own "holiness".
> (Where your head appears to be.)
>
Your utterance is too deep for my shallow understanding. But I
could sense your frustration.
It is time to open the window as well ....
> You can't hear and will not listen to anyone else.
And you should know ?
Keynes
wrote:
>On Aug 3, 11:48 am, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:10:51 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 2, 9:59 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:11:57 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Aug 1, 11:33 am, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Jul 31, 11:07 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:50:44 -0700 (PDT), Rexsy <Dr.Tuan.T...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Jul 30, 10:09 pm, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Jul 31, 7:38 am, "Dr. Tuan T. Ho" <Tuan.Thanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> The emperor asked
>> >> "What merit have I achieved?"
>> >> "None whatever."
>>
>> > Because no merit is accrued all could be accrued.
>>
>> Gookedy-gobble zen speak.
>> Who do you think you're fooling?
>>
>
> When a vessel is empty it has the capacity to contain anything.
>Nothing "gookedy-gooble" zen speak.
>
You posted a simple paradox.
" Because no merit is accrued all could be accrued."
A very common cheap trick.
There is no accumulation of emptiness.
(Where would you put it?)
>> >> "Then what is the holy truth?"
>> >> "Vast emptiness. Nothing holy."
>>
>> > There is no truth, only holiness
>>
>> Sure.
>> Tell Bodhidarma the REAL truth, master.
>>
>
> If the source of TRUTH has to come through some form of
>epistemology then there is really no TRUTH. If we look at a rose and
>we say it is red. A million people say it is red and everyone who
>knows the english language and call it red...does it make the rose
>red ? Or is red a mind-imposed reality ? If this reality is the
>fabrication of the mind what is the TRUTH then.
>
No truth. And certainly no 'holy' otherness.
Call it heaven and you make it a hell.
The longing for awakening harms innocent minds.
But if the mind is not innocent, then there's something
to it.
Case 19 of the Gateless Barrier. (Wu-men Kuan)
Chao-chou (Joshu) asked Nan-ch'uan (Nansen),
"What is the Tao?"
"Ordinary mind is the Tao."
"Should I try to direct myself toward it?"
"If you try to direct yourself, you betray your own practice."
"How can I know the Tao if I don't direct myself?"
"The Tao is not subject to knowing or not knowing.
Knowing is delusion; not knowing is blankness.
If you truly reach the genuine Tao, you will find
it as vast and boundless as outer space. How can
this be discussed at the level of affirmation or
negation?"
>
>> Climb out of your own holiness. If you can.
>> Then we can talk.
>>
> The root word of holiness is wholeness. I had alluded to this
>earlier on.
>
> We can never talk because you want to teach. All I wanted to do
>is to share...important difference.
>
Strange.
You give the appearance of being quite
confrontational, don't you? Hostile even.
What are you sharing? Your holy ego?
>> >> "Then who stands before me as a holy man?"
>> >> "I don't know."
>>
>> > Not Important
>>
>> >> A chan master was asked,
>> >> "What surpasses the buddhas and patriachs?"
>> >> "Buns."
>>
>> > A cup of water (I am having breakfast 8-))
>>
>> Bzzzzz. Sorry the answer was "buns".
>> Care to try for $50?
>>
> You understand not what the Master said. What is the greatest
>dharma ? When hungry, I eat.
>More zen gobbly-gook ? Don't forget you started quoting all these
>zen master in an attempt to impress others.
>
Trying to show you where to put your 'holiness'
and your 'eternal void'. (Where not prohibited.)
Grand illusions are illusions after all. By these
folks mislead themselves and others. Drop all
formulas and explanations. They are inadequate.
>> >> Another master was asked,"What is the buddha?"
>> >> "A dried up piece of shit."
>>
>> > Ashes in the 4-winds.
>>
>> Is that a hotel? Smoking allowed?
>>
> Once a student asked a zen master to teach. The zen master just
>kept quiet and offer tea to this student. He poured tea into the dirty
>cup and continue pouring unitl it overflowed. The student jumped up
>and shouted at the zen master....."what you crazy-ah ?" The zen
>master without looking up replied that the student is like that dirty
>cup --
>
> *** explanation - if you could not get the import of the story
>*** Dirty cup is our mess up view of the world. The delusions we
>hold....when the cup was poured to the limit no more water could
>enter. Basically telling the student that he is full of shit and
>nothing else can enter....why bother to learn anything.
>
You can't hear me.
You can't even hear yourself!
>> >> When you speak about above and below
>> >> you are in no position to know whereof you speak.
>>
>> > I spoke neither of above nor below. I spoke from where I
>> >came....from the eternal void.
>>
>> A time and space traveler still, eh Dr. Who?
>>
> I actually knew where you came from. Your mind associated
>divinity with God and you seem to take exception to that. I played a
>long to see what else from your mind emerged. Divinity, in my use of
>the word, does not refer to God but godliness... a state of being, of
>Buddhahood etc. Let me share another story with you.
>
Heaven and earth are distinct when you prefer one or
the other. If something is holy, the other thing isn't.
Here you make a separation and insist on it. Putting
yourself in one place or the other, how is integration
possible? Holy this, eternal that. Bullshit, sir!
> Ven Ramakrishna was a wonderful man and a saint at the turn of
>the century. He was a hindu but he like to explore all manner of
>spiritual practice. So he practised islam, christianity and buddhism.
>Each time he would practice what the religion teaches until he gained
>deep realisation of each religion. After his realisation he would tell
>his students what he realised using those methods. One day a student
>asked him what does a person who do not believe in God realise ?
>Ven. Ramakrishna replied - "same as the person who believe in a God."
>
> Keynes, divinity is just a word to describe, albeit not
>adequately, the state of being. Don't get your feathers ruffled so
>badly.
>
It's bad thinking and ought not to be propagated.
Next you'll be selling condos in heaven to the suckers.
>
>> I call you an impostor.
>> But first you confessed it yourself.
>
> Pray tell, who am I supposed to be impersonating if I am an
>impostor ?
Someone who knows what he's talking about.
>I do not use my name, very , very few people in real life
>in the universe know I am posting this. I live a very simple life on a
>farm....I don't have followers, I don't teach dharma, I am badly
>maligned in society (thanks to some kind folks who felt I am a threat
>to society). I have nothing to promote, nothing to defend and nothing
>to teach.
>
That's a lie we can all see through.
Why can't you? Apparently you don't
know yourself and what you're thinking
and saying and doing. Watch yourself
and try to be honest. For your own sake.
> So that in a nutshell is me - a nobody.
>>
>> "Eternal void", "holiness", BS.
>> Are we supposed to be impressed?
>> All grand quotations off the top of your head.
>> Stolen goods offered at a steep discount.
>>
> I think it was you who quoted. I replied. Try finding what I
>had said that was quoted. Those I had quoted were said in context. If
>I had used it wrongly then I don't know what I had quoted. If Ihad
>used it correctly than what's wrong with it ?
>
'holy' and 'eternal void'. Buzzwords of duality.
>> Where are your guts?
>>
>
> Guts is not an issue. You have some issues - where or from whom
>your prejudice came from, I know not. If it came from someone you
>don't even know then your ability to assess facts and truth is very
>limited. So if someone is pulling your string, you know not where that
>string came from.
>
> So what has guts got to do with any of what we have said ?
>
I didn't mean guts as courage, but as your own
substance, your own heart, your own words,
your own insight. So-called 'intelligence' from
off the top of your head won't do in these matters.
>
>> >-------------------
>>
>> > All the above again is nothing more than a play of words. You
>> >find attracted to words by zen masters and yet you only managed to
>> >smell the rotting flesh of these masters.
>>
>> Something is rotten around here.
>>
>
> I thought you were an expert in zen ... by the way you quoted all
>these zen masters. Flesh is used by zen master to represent dharma.
>In zen dharma can never be thought. We have to own it. We have to make
>it our own. You have to eat the flesh. From the way you threw all
>these quotes around I could only conclude you haven't eaten the flesh
>but the "rotting delusions" that arose from what was taught by zen
>masters. Zen masters also called Buddha as the greatest poison of
>humanity....if you understood that you would have understood what I
>had said. Sadly you did not and you would rather resort to sarcasm and
>childish bravado.
>
Am I no longer holy?
>> > Drop it and a breath of fresh air will imbue your spirit. It
>> >can be quite refreshing when you don't have to think 8-).
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken you have replied in words.
>> (Is that correct?) And from a point of supposed
>> accomplishment (which your communication belies.)
>>
>
> The medium is based on words. What accomplishment have I
>claimed ?
>As I said, I was sharing.... particularly with Dr.Tuan...
>
>> You'd do well to take your own instructions,
>> as infertile and off the point as they may be.
>> Find that "eternal void" up your own "holiness".
>> (Where your head appears to be.)
>>
>
> Your utterance is too deep for my shallow understanding. But I
>could sense your frustration.
>It is time to open the window as well ....
>
>> You can't hear and will not listen to anyone else.
>
> And you should know ?
Get what you can while you can.
Or get self-righteous about it all
and get frustrated.
Rexsy
>
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Excellent, NotImportant! ;)
Cheers!
Rexsy
Keynes
Blind lead the blind.
Rexsy
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Dear NotImportant & Keynes, ;-)
I've really been enjoying reading your minds, and glad, at least these
days, there're still some of us still existing in this world with such
Dharma knowledge! Especially, NotImportant!
Overall, NotImportant does speak the language of truth, wholiness, and
beauty...Congratulations!
Keynes, you do possess great knowledge of the Zen literatures, but as
mentioned by NotImportant, so far, you've only looked at the
restaurant's menu, without actually eating the food (of
enlightenment)! I'm sure, eventually, when hungry enough for the true
Dharma, you will drop the menu and eat the great food!
Anyway, It's been such a great pleasure to witness all these wonderful
discussions on this forum...
Cheers!
Rexsy
Keynes
He speaks. He speaks. But never listens. Like you.
The maelstrom of your own mind is all you can hear.
Feed the hungry if you will, but don't try to peddle
candy at the banquet. It makes you look really silly.
And so you are exposed.
>Keynes, you do possess great knowledge of the Zen literatures, but as
>mentioned by NotImportant, so far, you've only looked at the
>restaurant's menu, without actually eating the food (of
>enlightenment)!
How do you know?
You're making the same mistake as NI.
Pick and choose and you lose.
>I'm sure, eventually, when hungry enough for the true
>Dharma, you will drop the menu and eat the great food!
>Anyway, It's been such a great pleasure to witness all these wonderful
>discussions on this forum...
>
>Cheers!
>
>Rexsy
When someone comes on as knowing
what they're talking about, it doesn't take
more than a few words to see what's what.
You and NI are jabbering frauds.
You know some of the words and none of the music.
Is there a penalty for that? Then take it. If not, you
may forever remain where you started.
You're not fooling anyone but yourselves.
Rexsy
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Yup...indeed! ;-)
Blind with a clear celestial 3rd Eye |8-)
Cheers!
Rexsy
Rexsy
Dear Keynes!
You're emotionally disturbed too easily, which shows have had the
great food of Dharma for so long...Heh, drop the menu, jump on it and
have a great feast of Dharma knowledge! :)
Enjoy Man! :)
Cheers!
Rexsy
NotImportant
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 06:05:49 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
You posted a paradox by bodhidharma. I replied in kind. When you
failed to grasp the essence of what bodhidharma said or what I had
said you hurled insults and cast aspersions. I then endeavoured and
patiently explained to you what was meant.
> >> Tell Bodhidarma the REAL truth, master.
>
> > If the source of TRUTH has to come through some form of
> >epistemology then there is really no TRUTH. If we look at a rose and
> >we say it is red. A million people say it is red and everyone who
> >knows the english language and call it red...does it make the rose
> >red ? Or is red a mind-imposed reality ? If this reality is the
> >fabrication of the mind what is the TRUTH then.
>
> No truth. And certainly no 'holy' otherness.
> Call it heaven and you make it a hell.
>
> The longing for awakening harms innocent minds.
> But if the mind is not innocent, then there's something
> to it.
>
I endeavoured and patiently explained to you what was meant by no
truth. And your response was "no 'holy' otherness". Perhaps you could
also endeavour and patiently explain what you meant. Instead of,
again, casting aspersions and making hell of a heavenly discourse
8-).
Since Dr.Tuan had praised you for your knowledge of zen you should
at least understand what is mind and what is no-mind. If it is mind
where can innocence be found ? Hopefully you could endeavour and
patiently explain to a fake like me. I really want to learn from
someone who is not pretenting to be anything else.
> Case 19 of the Gateless Barrier. (Wu-men Kuan)
> Chao-chou (Joshu) asked Nan-ch'uan (Nansen),
> "What is the Tao?"
> "Ordinary mind is the Tao."
> "Should I try to direct myself toward it?"
> "If you try to direct yourself, you betray your own practice."
> "How can I know the Tao if I don't direct myself?"
> "The Tao is not subject to knowing or not knowing.
> Knowing is delusion; not knowing is blankness.
> If you truly reach the genuine Tao, you will find
> it as vast and boundless as outer space. How can
> this be discussed at the level of affirmation or
> negation?"
>
And your point being ?
Instead of directing oneself towards tao a good strategy, at least
from an impostor like me, would be to reduce my delusions. What kept
the tao from emerging is our delusions. So in my own simple minded way
I will continue meditating. What need is there really to know the
tao ?
>
>
> >> Climb out of your own holiness. If you can.
> >> Then we can talk.
>
> > The root word of holiness is wholeness. I had alluded to this
> >earlier on.
>
> > We can never talk because you want to teach. All I wanted to do
> >is to share...important difference.
>
> Strange.
> You give the appearance of being quite
> confrontational, don't you? Hostile even.
> What are you sharing? Your holy ego?
>
Oh no keynes. You used the zen approach and I merely reflected
back to you in zen form. Wow...hostile ? I did give an example of a
dirty vessel but that was to mock you 8-). No hostility from here.
I have shared my understanding and take on what appeared. I don't
participate very frequently here. I drop in occasionally and just
engage, usually one or two posts I read. In this case it was Dr.Tuan's
rendering of an encounter with the "divine spirit".
>
>
> > You understand not what the Master said. What is the greatest
> >dharma ? When hungry, I eat.
> >More zen gobbly-gook ? Don't forget you started quoting all these
> >zen master in an attempt to impress others.
>
> Trying to show you where to put your 'holiness'
> and your 'eternal void'. (Where not prohibited.)
> Grand illusions are illusions after all. By these
> folks mislead themselves and others. Drop all
> formulas and explanations. They are inadequate.
>
My right eyebrow just went up in wonderment .....
>
> > *** explanation - if you could not get the import of the story
> >*** Dirty cup is our mess up view of the world. The delusions we
> >hold....when the cup was poured to the limit no more water could
> >enter. Basically telling the student that he is full of shit and
> >nothing else can enter....why bother to learn anything.
>
> You can't hear me.
> You can't even hear yourself!
>
Now my left eyebrow went up in amazement 8-).
>
> > I actually knew where you came from. Your mind associated
> >divinity with God and you seem to take exception to that. I played a
> >long to see what else from your mind emerged. Divinity, in my use of
> >the word, does not refer to God but godliness... a state of being, of
> >Buddhahood etc. Let me share another story with you.
>
> Heaven and earth are distinct when you prefer one or
> the other. If something is holy, the other thing isn't.
> Here you make a separation and insist on it. Putting
> yourself in one place or the other, how is integration
> possible? Holy this, eternal that. Bullshit, sir!
>
When did I use heaven and earth ? I had endeavoured and
patiently explaned what was states where no opposites exist in a
parallel thread with Dr.Tuan. Wholeness by its very name and meaning
suggest the non-existence of opposite. If it does than it is not
whole.
All along the split in your mind came from you. There is a nice
story about Buddha not accepting the insult 8-).
> > Keynes, divinity is just a word to describe, albeit not
> >adequately, the state of being. Don't get your feathers ruffled so
> >badly.
>
> It's bad thinking and ought not to be propagated.
> Next you'll be selling condos in heaven to the suckers.
>
Once a relative took a few boxes of sutras down to Kuala Lumpur
for me to a temple. It was printed on my mom's behalf after her
death. As I had said before I am very badly maligned on the internet
and in real life, even with my family members. He was very suspicious
that I would put something bad in the boxes and then calling the
police to nail him. He was that fearful. Sensing that I looked him in
the eyes and said that there is no shit in the boxes. The shit is in
your heart.
Do you know that everyone I came in contact with over the past
10 years were given scripts to follow.....and I have only met 2 who
refused to follow the stupidity asked of them. One day I sense that
this guy was about to follow the script someone gave him to follow in
front of me. He hesitated and I asked him why wasn't he following the
script he was supposed to carry out ? He thought for a shortwhile
and told me everything. He agreed that it was stupid manipulation by
stupid people carried out by stupid people. In one short sentence he
nailed what is happening around me down to where it should be.
>
> >> I call you an impostor.
> >> But first you confessed it yourself.
>
> > Pray tell, who am I supposed to be impersonating if I am an
> >impostor ?
>
> Someone who knows what he's talking about.
>
And again, pray tell who is this. Don't just give something so
general. I am not a monk, don't belong to any organisation, do not go
to temple, do not associate with buddhists or any religious group. So
tell us what you know of me as an impostor ? Or are you just farting
in the wind 8-).....you see Dr.Tuan is so nice and I spoke nicely and
even poetically. You use zennist approach and I just follow suit 8-).
> >I do not use my name, very , very few people in real life
> >in the universe know I am posting this. I live a very simple life on a
> >farm....I don't have followers, I don't teach dharma, I am badly
> >maligned in society (thanks to some kind folks who felt I am a threat
> >to society). I have nothing to promote, nothing to defend and nothing
> >to teach.
>
> That's a lie we can all see through.
> Why can't you?
Goodness gracious "all" ? So which part of what I had said was a
lie ? A lie means that I know something to be true but said the
opposite such as when I say "I don't teach dharma" but in real life I
teach dharma. So do you know something that others don't ?
>Apparently you don't
> know yourself and what you're thinking
> and saying and doing. Watch yourself
> and try to be honest. For your own sake.
>
And you know me better than I do ? That's a stretch by any
measure of imagination, don't you think ?
If you are honest with yourself you would at least acknowledge
ignorance of who I am. Or are you claiming special knowledge ?
> > I think it was you who quoted. I replied. Try finding what I
> >had said that was quoted. Those I had quoted were said in context. If
> >I had used it wrongly then I don't know what I had quoted. If Ihad
> >used it correctly than what's wrong with it ?
>
> 'holy' and 'eternal void'. Buzzwords of duality.
>
Now my belly is laughing uncontrollably.
> > So what has guts got to do with any of what we have said ?
>
> I didn't mean guts as courage, but as your own
> substance, your own heart, your own words,
> your own insight. So-called 'intelligence' from
> off the top of your head won't do in these matters.
>
It is not for me to convince you that what I had said was valid.
I share and that was the end of it. If you do not accept it then it is
fine by me. I usually go a few rounds to explain what i have said and
after that it is usually futile. As I had said i have nothing to
'sell" you 8-))))). No condo from me 8-).
> >humanity....if you understood that you would have understood what I
> >had said. Sadly you did not and you would rather resort to sarcasm and
> >childish bravado.
>
> Am I no longer holy?
>
Hui neng : "A single thought give rise to a 1000 delusions."
***** there were further reply from you but google news that I am
using truncated it. Not being rude. But I think there is no
necessity to continue ******
May you be well and happy.
-------- A simple offer : If you really want to know whether what I
had said above was the truth, let me extend an invitation to you to
stay on my farm. Just drop me a line. It is in Kuantan, Malaysia. It
is a very nice place. ------------
NotImportant
Actually how true. It is a truism that you do well to reflect
upon.
> You and NI are jabbering frauds.
And of course a sophisticated person like you, no one can fool
you. The real tragedy in all this I think is that you know so much
and yet understand so little.
> You know some of the words and none of the music.
The fragrance of one's fart is so overpowering for everyone else
but oneself.
> Is there a penalty for that? Then take it. If not, you
> may forever remain where you started.
>
And how do you propose we do that ?
> You're not fooling anyone but yourselves.
I wouldn't dare to speak for Dr.Tuan but as for me - a little
story.
I rear swiftlet as an investment. When a swiftlet home is
first made it is spotless, beautiful and smelt of everything nice and
clean and pure. But the swiftlet just won't come in. One of the ways
to attract the birds into the home is to spray swiftlet shit all over
the home. On the walls , on the floor .... everywhere. Before long
these swiftlet would start to come in and started breeding.
Moral of the story : We are always attracted to our own shit
because it is so comforting 8-).
Keynes
wrote:
Some of what you said was alright, but some of it wasn't.
I poked you with a stick to see which way you'd jump.
Although my opinion is of no value to you, I'll give it
anyway.
You have had a glimpse but have not reached the
promised land. You don't yet have present awareness
of yourself, so you are reactive and unreceptive.
Mindfulness is lacking as shown by your self-defensive
posture and inability to hear because you can't stop speaking
to yourself.
You are trying to share your joy, but in misleading terms.
If you truly believe what you say in the way you say it,
you are at an impasse, a blocked state, and will go no
farther. Self-satisfaction has set in prematurely.
But it isn't the real thing as shown by how our
conversation has been a trouble for you.
When bodhidarma said "I don't know",
you claimed "Not Important". Are you the
Buddha? Not even the Buddha is the Buddha!
That was a big personal mistake.
There's a ways to go yet. Do you watch the breath?
One has to know mind and body before he can
drop them.
See through time and space with natural mind,
and don't speak of divine or profane, and the
long and short of time.
Rexsy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Excellent! The world is watching and learning a great deal from this
discussion...
Congratulations! ;)
Cheers!
Rexsy
Rexsy
> In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy
> illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
> existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
> beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
> cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
> love.
>
> Rex
> Rexsy.comhttp://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
>
> <>*<>
Greetings All ;)
"To understand the deepest structure of all phenomena in the
Universe(s) is to have direct perception of the Ultimate Self of
Emptiness..."
Peace & Love,
Rexsy
halfawake
ah, the eye of Ignorance. Yes, it shines very brightly!
Wonderful!
Robert
- - - - - - -
halfawake
If Keynes goes, I'll go too!
:)
Robert
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
> In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy
> illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
> existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
> beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
> cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
> love.
>
> Rex
> Rexsy.comhttp://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
>
> <>*<>
Greetings!
"Universal Emptiness is omnipresent in all cosmic phenomena..."
Rexsy
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
"Love is All, and All is Love!"
Cheers!
Rexsy
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
>
> - Show quoted text -
Have a great weekend Everyone! ;)
Love,
Rexsy
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
> In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy
> illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
> existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
> beauty of the Universe. Meditation is the greatest path to the
> cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
> love.
>
> Rex
> Rexsy.comhttp://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
>
> <>*<>
Greetings World,
Have a Great weekend!
Cheers!
Rexsy
Takuji
> On Jul 31, 12:09 am, NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 7:38 am, "Dr. Tuan T. Ho" <Tuan.Thanh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > In the immense silence of emptiness, Universal Cosmic Energy
> > > illuminates omnipresently over the deep space of impermanent
> > > existence, where sufferings exist endlessly in the profoundly moving
> > > beauty of the Universe. �Meditation is the greatest path to the
> > > cessation of sufferings under the movement of intelligence, peace, and
> > > love.
>
> > > Rex
> > > Rexsy.comhttp://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Lexsie2008
>
> > > <>*<>
>
> --
> RaaN
simple, direct, and straight to the point...
RaaN
..like a stab in the dark? lol
--
RaaN
Takuji
>
> --
> RaaN
...making its mark all the time.
RaaN
;-
--
RaaN ........................></>
NotImportant
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:40:19 -0700 (PDT), NotImportant <chiong...@gmail.com>
One of the local scribe also use this dirty trick whenever he found
himself in an intractable position.
If you had been here long enough you will learn a few dirty tricks as
well 8-).
> You have had a glimpse but have not reached the
> promised land. You don't yet have present awareness
> of yourself, so you are reactive and unreceptive.
> Mindfulness is lacking as shown by your self-defensive
> posture and inability to hear because you can't stop speaking
> to yourself.
With all due respect, you know not what you are talking about
and yet felt that you have more glimpses or already have arrived at
the promise land to pass such a judgement.
I had endeavoured to explain what I had said and to point out
what is not "very correct" with what you had said. You sued zen
approach and I replied in kind. How is that reactive ? I did not
REACT to your taunt or your insults but instead endeavoured very
patiently to explain my position and I had asked you to do the same.
You should take a long hard look in the mirror and see if what you
have just said is more applicable to you.
How have I not been able to hear and to "stop speaking to
myself" ? That is a rather strange accusation. Look at how I posted.
I endeavoured with great patience to explain my position and to point
out why what you had said was less than correct. And what did you do
in return ? Have a nice look at the mirror Keynes.
>
> You are trying to share your joy, but in misleading terms.
And you would know ? So what you are looking for is terms use by
buddhists ? Wouldn't that be a sign of being bound by name and
form ?
> If you truly believe what you say in the way you say it,
> you are at an impasse, a blocked state, and will go no
> farther. Self-satisfaction has set in prematurely.
> But it isn't the real thing as shown by how our
> conversation has been a trouble for you.
Jeez....I am at a lost at how you arrive at this understanding or
misunderstanding.
If I call you a fuckwit you will say I am troubled. If I reply
patiently and gently and would not respond to your childish sarcasm I
am also troubled. So what gives ?
>
> When bodhidarma said "I don't know",
> you claimed "Not Important". Are you the
> Buddha? Not even the Buddha is the Buddha!
> That was a big personal mistake.
>
And you know why bodhidharma said 'I don't know" ? And you know
why I said Not Important ?
You wanted to use zen approach and yet do not appreciate the essence
of the play of words in zen. And you pass judgement from your total
lack of discernment. Why are you so complacent with your own state ?
Take a good look at the mirror.
> There's a ways to go yet. Do you watch the breath?
> One has to know mind and body before he can
> drop them.
>
Actually who died and made you buddha 8-))))) ?
Knowing your mind is to be fooled by it. Knowing your body is to
be led by it. To drop it is to take it up.
Try figuring that out...oh Buddha 8-).
> See through time and space with natural mind,
> and don't speak of divine or profane, and the
> long and short of time.
Natural mind do not distinguish between holy, divine or profane.
Try figuring that out...oh Buddha 8-).
******************
The fact that I don't respond to you has nothing to do with how
"bad" I feel. You have been fucked and you still don't know it.
My time is very limited especially these past few months. I
choose my "fight" and I only engage fully if ti is useful. With you,
it had been very disappointing. As I had said you just want to teach
and talk down to whoever you are engaged with.
Is there some value in what I have just said above ? I hope so
8-), not to you perhaps but to others.
Keynes
wrote:
>On Aug 4, 10:54 pm, Keynes <Key...@earthlinkspam.net> wrote:
On first encounter you advised me to empty my cup.
Not very perspicatious of you. Why not listen to
yourself and 'empty your cup'?
Dr. Tuan T. Ho
>
> - Show quoted text -
Interesting discussion.... ;)
Rexsy