Discovered something cool
szaso...@googlemail.com
these kind of frequencies that put the brain into alpha zone, its very
close to instant meditation.
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/meditation-secrets.html
sejjos...@googlemail.com
these kind of frequencies that put the brain into alpha zone, its very
close to instant meditation.
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/meditation-techniques.html
sjrrch...@googlemail.com
these kind of frequencies that put the brain into alpha zone, its very
close to instant meditation.
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/relaxation-meditation.html
sampl...@googlemail.com
stuff, thought I'd share it with you guys.
heres the pages:
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/relaxation-meditation.html
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/spiritual-meditation.html
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/new-age-meditations.html
svbn...@googlemail.com
stuff, thought I'd share it with you guys.
heres the pages:
http://www.meditationinformation.info/buddhism/buddhist-nirvana.html
http://www.meditationinformation.info/meditation-techniques/yoga/new-age-meditations.html
Richard Corfield
> I've been loving my meditation! I've found a cool place to get free
> stuff, thought I'd share it with you guys.
[Links snipped - high probability of spam]
We see "I've discovered something wonderful" and "Free Stuff" posted all
over the place for a while now. If you are genuinely wishing to share
please explain more here.
Of interest, and maybe it's me being different, why should "free"
be such a motivation to us? Maybe looking at it the other way round,
why does the more religious mindset maybe not attract to "free stuff"?
Is it an echo of the commercial world?
Has it been used too much, such that we know that such things generally
are not "free" but are "included in the elevated price of the other thing"
or have other indirect costs?
Do we accept that fair price is fair price?
Are we just fortunate to be comfortably enough off? If we do hit a
food shortage then "free food" from a shelter wouldn't attract the same
point of view - though in that situation I'd want to help the shelter
and serve my community in return so again I wouldn't be taking it as
'free'.
For me, could it be related to my reaction to the "free gift" that
Christian evangelists keep telling me I'm missing out on?
- Richard
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HB...@hotmail.com
<Richard.Corfi...@littondale.me.uk> wrote:
> On 2008-04-22, svbnue...@googlemail.com <svbnue...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been loving my meditation! I've found a cool place to get free
> > stuff, thought I'd share it with you guys.
>
> [Links snipped - high probability of spam]
>
Sure looks like spam. with the first three messages on the thread
being identical but from "different" authors
and the next two being identical from "different" authors. and all
five recommending the same site.
the meditation audios mentioned probably use bineural beat technology.
As a long time meditator I was interested, to see if all the hype were
true.
I got some 3 CD's here http://www.brainsync.com/pilot.asp
just to check it out.
Funny thing, the "deep meditation" CD puts both me and my wife to
sleep.
the "deep sleep" CD which induces delta wave brain activity generates
a feeling very close to what my meditation does.
another CD which induces theta wave brain activity gives the
sensations I have come to associate with a successful savasana after
asana practice.
So I conclude that there is something to the bineural beat
technology,
Richard Corfield
>
> the meditation audios mentioned probably use bineural beat technology.
> As a long time meditator I was interested, to see if all the hype were
> true.
> I got some 3 CD's here http://www.brainsync.com/pilot.asp
> just to check it out.
> Funny thing, the "deep meditation" CD puts both me and my wife to
> sleep.
> the "deep sleep" CD which induces delta wave brain activity generates
> a feeling very close to what my meditation does.
> another CD which induces theta wave brain activity gives the
> sensations I have come to associate with a successful savasana after
> asana practice.
> So I conclude that there is something to the bineural beat
> technology,
I think I'd want both the personal control - after all Yoga is mastering
the mind - and the time and effort to get there. I think if you can do
it unaided then it's more useful day to day.
Still, Patanjali mentions his "Special Herbs" so it seems back then the
sages were considering aided approaches. Maybe I'm too modern ;-)
HB...@hotmail.com
<Richard.Corfi...@REVERSE.uk.me.littondale> wrote:
> On 2008-04-24, HB...@hotmail.com <HB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > the meditation audios mentioned probably use bineural beat technology.
> > As a long time meditator I was interested, to see if all the hype were
> > true.
> > I got some 3 CD's here http://www.brainsync.com/pilot.asp
> > just to check it out.
> > Funny thing, the "deep meditation" CD puts both me and my wife to
> > sleep.
> > the "deep sleep" CD which induces delta wave brain activity generates
> > a feeling very close to what my meditation does.
> > another CD which induces theta wave brain activity gives the
> > sensations I have come to associate with a successful savasana after
> > asana practice.
> > So I conclude that there is something to the bineural beat
> > technology,
>
> I think I'd want both the personal control - after all Yoga is mastering
> the mind - and the time and effort to get there. I think if you can do
> it unaided then it's more useful day to day.
>
far better to be the cause of your own state of being
than have your state of being be the result of some external force.
However, I do think the bineural beat approach is uselful as an aid to
regular practice
> Still, Patanjali mentions his "Special Herbs" so it seems back then the
> sages were considering aided approaches. Maybe I'm too modern ;-)
>
> - Richard
>
I do not think that would make you too modern
there seems to have always been a bit of controversy over the use of
artificial stimulants,
modern pharmacology lets us know that such "special herbs" only work
because they have compounds that are very similar to or identical in
chemical compostition to the bodys own "special herbs". so once again
it comes down to being in control of ones own "special herb"
production in one's own body or relying on some external source.
dumb_fishie
<Richard.Corfi...@REVERSE.uk.me.littondale> wrote:
> On 2008-04-24, HB...@hotmail.com <HB...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > the meditation audios mentioned probably use bineural beat technology.
> > As a long time meditator I was interested, to see if all the hype were
> > true.
> > I got some 3 CD's here http://www.brainsync.com/pilot.asp
> > just to check it out.
> > Funny thing, the "deep meditation" CD puts both me and my wife to
> > sleep.
> > the "deep sleep" CD which induces delta wave brain activity generates
> > a feeling very close to what my meditation does.
> > another CD which induces theta wave brain activity gives the
> > sensations I have come to associate with a successful savasana after
> > asana practice.
> > So I conclude that there is something to the bineural beat
> > technology,
>
> I think I'd want both the personal control - after all Yoga is mastering
> the mind - and the time and effort to get there. I think if you can do
> it unaided then it's more useful day to day.
>
> Still, Patanjali mentions his "Special Herbs" so it seems back then the
> sages were considering aided approaches. Maybe I'm too modern ;-)
>
Are there any really good meditation books for beginners from the
HIndu-ish
side of things? I have not been able to find any. I am not inclined
to become
Buddhist because I don;t go for the philosophy, but the only books I
was able
to find that teach it really well, are beginner books for Buddhists.
So if anybody knows of such books, please recommend me some.
Richard Corfield
>> Still, Patanjali mentions his "Special Herbs" so it seems back then the
>> sages were considering aided approaches. Maybe I'm too modern ;-)
(In answer to the previous post) - We also know that introducing special
herbs into the body can throw the body's own special herb making
mechanisms off such that, typically, we stop making them naturally in
the amounts we need to keep things in balance without the artificial
input. Our body is much better at moment to moment self regulation than
otherwise relatively infrequent huge amounts being added from outside.
> Are there any really good meditation books for beginners from the
> HIndu-ish
> side of things? I have not been able to find any. I am not inclined
> to become
> Buddhist because I don;t go for the philosophy, but the only books I
> was able
> to find that teach it really well, are beginner books for Buddhists.
I can't think of any off hand, though my bit to avoid is new-age which
seems to add things like crystals and electromagnetic wibbly bits that
I don't see the need for but some people obviously do.
Still, what kind of meditation? Simple breath meditation is very calming
and appears in both Buddhist and Hindu ideas. Buddhists have things like
Vipassana (focusing on awareness) and Metta Bhavana (focusing on loving
others) which also sound interesting.
I learned about breathing through yoga though, so that may be an area to
look in. My first yoga book was a big (A4 landscape I think) one with
an orange spine called "Yoga Life" which had a section on both walking
meditation and sitting meditation. It abstracted away from any specific
religion's philosophy.
Are there any advantages you see in Hindu philosophy over Buddhist?
HB...@hotmail.com
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You can probably find one here
http://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm
this is from "EASY STEPS TO YOGA"
1. Meditation is the flow of continuous thought on one thing or God or
Atman. Meditation is the keeping up of one idea of God alone always
like the continuous flow of oil (Taila-dharavat). Yogins call this
‘Dhyana.’ Jnanins term this ‘Nididhyasana.’ Bhaktas style this
‘Bhajan.’ Concentration is fixing the mind on a point or object,
either internal (in the body) or external (on any outside object or
image). Meditation follows concentration. In Dhyana all worldly
thoughts are shut out from the mind. The mind is filled or saturated
with Divine thoughts, with the Divine Glory, the Divine Presence.
(b) Place
2. Have a separate meditation-room under lock and key. Do not allow
anybody to enter the room. Keep it holy. Burn incense in the morning
and evening. Keep a photo of Lord Krishna, Siva, Rama, Devi or your
Ishta Devata or Guru. Place your Asana (seat) in front of the picture.
Keep some books also such as the Gita, the Ramayana and other
scriptures. When you repeat the Mantra or the Name of the Lord, the
powerful vibrations will be lodged in the ether of the room. In six
months’ time you will feel peace and purity in the atmosphere of the
room. Whenever your mind is disturbed by worldly influence, sit in the
room and repeat the Name of the Lord for half an hour; then you will
find an entire change in the mind immediately. Practise and feel the
soothing spiritual influence yourself. Nothing is like spiritual
Sadhana. You will find a local Mussoorie, Himalayas, in your own
house.
5. Get up at 4 in the morning in Brahmamuhurta. It is very favourable
for spiritual contemplation and to start worship of God. In the early
morning the mind is calm pure and quite refreshed after slumber. The
mind is like a blank sheet of paper and comparatively free from
worldly Samskaras (mental impressions). It can be moulded very easily
at this time. The atmosphere also is charged with more Sattva at this
particular time. Wash your hands, feet and face with cold water if you
find it difficult to take a bath. This will suffice.
I was also wondering, as is Richard, as to what aspects of Buddhism
you dont like, what aspects of Hinudism you are attracted to?
dumb_fishie
> You can probably find one herehttp://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm
> you dont like, what aspects of Hinudism you are attracted to?- Hide quoted text -
>
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Well the HIndus might have a clue about dealing with kundalini.
The thing I don't like about Buddhism is the weird and totally
illogical ideas they have about God and soul,and karma, and
that they can tend to be authoritarian. And that
they seem easily threatened by anything Hindu.
Ok then, I have a problem with this idea that all it takes is to
focus oneself on God, because it takes way more than that to
be able to do it. I found it out my own self through my own
practice.
That;'s the reason the Buddhists put so much effort into teaching
and preparing people to really meditate, and I'm talking about
how it all works together: mindfulness, developing equanimity,
overcoming the hindrances, and etc.
I appreciate you posting that, because it really underscores what
I have been noticing in my own search through various Hindu
authors: They leave out the steps for the beginners! How can
anybody progress without knowing this stuff? They can't.
It helps me that you posted that, because now I know that's
just the way it is, the Hindu way of doing things is just plain
incomplete.
Yoga sutra commentaries are certainly not for beginners, so what
good does that do them? I looked through Vivekananda's "Raja
Yoga" on amazon, and after discussing one of the hindrances
to meditation practice, he veered off in another direction and
never went back. So why couldn't he mantain his focus on
the subject? If I go into the other Hindu authors that show this
same tendency, I'll just get myself upset.
I'm just going to have to take what I find useful from each
side then. But I have my answer, there is no Hindu author
who can really provide a solid grounding to start from,
for beginners. I certainly have not been able to find any
myself, and I tried.
Sevenhundred Elves
You already know about focusing on the breath. You could practice
that.
If you want something slightly different, then mantra meditation is
another technique well-suited to a beginner. You can use this mantra:
"Om Namo Narayana", which I loosely translate to "Everything
symbolises God". It's far from a literal translation, but it feels
good to me. Literally, Om means "everything, the whole", Namo means
"name" and Narayana is a name of God. I'm sure you can find some wav
or mp3 file where someone is saying this in Sanskrit. It is a rather
famous and well-known mantra. Sit down in a steady and comfortable
position and repeat the mantra aloud. After doing this daily for a
couple of weeks, the sound will become internalised so you can hear it
in your mind even if you only say it under your breath. Give it some
time, and you don't have to say it at all, but simply repeat it in
your mind by thinking it. While you do that, your thoughts are apt to
wander. Keep on the lookout for that, and when you notice that your
mind starts to wander and you're losing focus, go back to repeating
the mantra again. Out loud, if need be. This is all there is to mantra
meditation.
S.
Richard Corfield
>
> Well the HIndus might have a clue about dealing with kundalini.
> The thing I don't like about Buddhism is the weird and totally
> illogical ideas they have about God and soul,and karma, and
> that they can tend to be authoritarian. And that
> they seem easily threatened by anything Hindu.
The Buddhists have the Ant-Hill-Sutra which goes close to Kundalini. I
think they see it as "Take care here. It's powerful"
Anatta - no soul, no god, not that illogical just another point of view.
It seems to work for them. I don't think there's enough evidence against
it to rule it out. As for authoritarian - like many religions they see
theirs as The Truth. I've found that it's the Hindus who've been most
easy going on this line. Part of the structure of Buddhism is that
clinging to ideas like heaven is in the end negative.
> Ok then, I have a problem with this idea that all it takes is to
> focus oneself on God, because it takes way more than that to
> be able to do it. I found it out my own self through my own
> practice.
> That;'s the reason the Buddhists put so much effort into teaching
> and preparing people to really meditate, and I'm talking about
> how it all works together: mindfulness, developing equanimity,
> overcoming the hindrances, and etc.
But a Hindu focusing on God is likely to have a strong religious practice
within his/her community. They're likely to be deeply involved with
the temple community, to practice puja daily, meditate daily, yoga
daily. They'll be following their religion in a context where it is
natural to do so. Just Aarti in community and at home would be bringing
that focus for them.
Once you get past the language barrier if you're visiting a local
'Indian' temple, or perhaps if you want to go that way start visiting a
Hare Krishna temple where they'll give sermons in English, you'd find
the support there.
dumb_fishie
that "Easy Steps to Yoga" book, and I feel slighly better about
things. It does not compare to Sakyong Mipham's "Turning the
Mind into an Ally," or to Ayya Khema's "Being Nobody, Going
Nowhere," but I feel slighly less pissed off now. Just slightly :).
Those two are just extremely talented at teaching. And the
Buddhist approach seems to have less of a "be your own
football coach to yourself" attitude.
dumb_fishie
<Richard.Corfi...@REVERSE.uk.me.littondale> wrote:
>
> Anatta - no soul, no god, not that illogical just another point of view.
> It seems to work for them. I don't think there's enough evidence against
> it to rule it out. As for authoritarian - like many religions they see
> theirs as The Truth. I've found that it's the Hindus who've been most
> easy going on this line. Part of the structure of Buddhism is that
> clinging to ideas like heaven is in the end negative.
Well, after doing some reading and talking to them, I'd say they are
just kidding themselves that they don't believe in God or a Soul.
It's all just an attempt at brand differentiation, for all practical
purposes.
Ayya Khema, for example, mentioned "Mara the tempter" in one of her
books, and how "Mara the tempter" is always there ready to temp us.
Ok, who is that, if not the western idea of Satan? So if she does not
believe in a personal God, but she does believe in a personal Satan,
what does that make her? A Satanist?
So this is just one example of the lack of logic. However, I am
willing to skip over her philosophical ideas about things because
she is such an incredibly excellent teacher on the practical end.
Richard Corfield
A group did indeed tell me - Buddhists do have beliefs.
There are different groups. If you're after more Anatta then Theravada,
at least in the West, may be more on the right line. (On the Hindu side
there's Advaita in which it's easy to start seeing the deities as metaphor
- which may be the case with Mara).
Some Buddhist groups believe in not immortal gods as such, but heavenly
realms with more god-like people in them. The more god-like people are
subject to the same rules of karma and rebirth as us lot, but they can
be prayed to.
I don't know how much is "original Buddhism", in which apparently the
Buddha said "Brahman is just the wind in the trees" - a metaphor for
the world we live in.
Practical end - Buddhism does have a "try it, see if it works (we think
it will), then try more" approach to it. Hinduism has the idea of a
path which you can advance along and as you advance you find out more.
(Even the local church is suggesting I "try it, see if it works, we
think it will.)
Still, with yoga and meditation you can take that step by step approach
to it. I think it would help to have a good support network when you
do if you do go deeper with it - if only to be able to bounce questions
off and seek guidance from.
HB...@hotmail.com
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you might also find something here
http://www.swamij.com/index-yoga-meditation-meditation.htm
dumb_fishie
>
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Thank you, but I am liking Ayya Khema very very much.
I don;t get why they teach it this way:
The root skill is how to witness and let go: To quiet the mind does
not mean suppression or repression of thoughts and emotions. Rather,
it has to do with the skill of letting go, of allowing the thought
patterns to flow without interruption, remaining focused not on the
objects in the flow of the river of mind, but on the stream itself.
On that site you posted. That is clsoe to how the buddhists do it,
but I believe they think there's too much
danger in getting caught up in the thoughts again, doing it that way.
It actually seems kind of advanced.
I'm getting interested in that insight meditation you mentioned.
dumb_fishie
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Thew section on equanimity, for example:
http://www.swamij.com/sevenskills.htm#letting
section 7, can in no way compare to the clearness and thoroughness
of ayya khema.
I guess I just need to be glad I found some writer who can
teach it so well.