'SANYAAS' LESSONS FOR CHRISTIAN CLERGY
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By Ananthakrishnan G
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THE TIMES OF INDIA
October 21, 2007
Tiruvanantapuram -- While the Anglican Church may shun Yog,
in Kerala the Syro-Malabar church -- regarded as the oldest
in the country -- has decided to embrace the Hindu
tradition of Sanyaas. This and other cultural aspects like
bhajans are becoming a part of new curriculum for training
the Christian clergy in the church.
''Priests have to work in the Indian milieu. So it's
necessary that they learn about India's strong spiritual
foundations like the Gurukul system, Sanyaas, and
Varnashram'' church spokesman Paul Thelekat told TOI. The
curriculum, which is called the 'Charter for priestly
formation in the Syro-Malabar church', has been reformed
and promulgated and is going to be applied in every
seminary, he said.
''We were taught the basics of Indian philosophical systems
as part of theory,'' says Thelekat, but now there's focus
on practical learning.
The clerical curriculum includes an introduction to
Hinduism. Although the usual training is given by
Indologists, of late seminaries are being advised to take
direct assistance of Sanyaasis, to prepare students for
ascetic life. ''Undoubtedly, there are a lot of good ideas
in the Indic way of life which we must incorporate and use.
Priests must imbibe the rich Indian traditions and be open
to new ideas,'' said Thelekat.
But then why all this fuss about Yog in the UK? ''That's
absolute nonsense. Even we were taught Yog during our
training. It's a method by which you can recollect
yourself. I do it everyday. It's good not only for the body
but also for the mind,'' said the priest.
Early this year, a church was opened at Pariman in Kollam
district with Jesus seated in padmasana and was called
'Jagat Jyoti Man-dir'. While the church calls this
Indianisation, critics are wary of all the changes,
suspecting it to be an attempt to confuse people.
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Romanise
perverts among them. They do sexually exploit vulnerable Indian young
and old women.
On May 6, 5:43 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
> More at:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Sanyaas_lessons_for_Christia...
>
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> Om Shanti
>
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>
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>
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ravimpillay
> All kinds of Sanyasis, Sadhus, of India have significant numbers of
> perverts among them. They do sexually exploit vulnerable Indian young
> and old women.
>
> www.dmjoshi.org
all kinds of christian priests and fathers also have sexual perverts
among them
if you do not believe you should shave your baby's pussy and send her
for investigation .....................
dont have a one track mind ......
you are a shame on hindu nation ..... better convert to christian name
and
religion atleast hindus will not be confused about your identity
Romanise
> On May 6, 9:49 pm, Romanise <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All kinds of Sanyasis, Sadhus, of India have significant numbers of
> > perverts among them. They do sexually exploit vulnerable Indian young
> > and old women.
>
> >www.dmjoshi.org
>
> all kinds of christian priests and fathers also have sexual perverts
> among them
> if you do not believe you should shave your baby's pussy and send her
> for investigation .....................
>
> dont have a one track mind ......
>
> you are a shame on hindu nation .....
So for you pride of hindu nation are hindus who are blind to their own
pitfalls and shortcomings and only on look out for pitfalls and
shortcomings of non-hindus?
The Deep
> On May 6, 9:49 pm, Romanise <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > All kinds of Sanyasis, Sadhus, of India have significant numbers of
> > perverts among them. They do sexually exploit vulnerable Indian young
> > and old women.
>
> >www.dmjoshi.org
>
> all kinds of christian priests and fathers also have sexual perverts
> among them
> if you do not believe you should shave your baby's pussy and send her
> for investigation .....................
Huh?
>
> dont have a one track mind ......
What one track mind? Don't project!
>
> you are a shame on hindu nation ..... better convert to christian name
> and
> religion atleast hindus will not be confused about your identity
Wow! Hindu "Sadhus" and "Sanyaasis" are pure as the driven snow.
Hello, Earth to "RaviMPillay," wake up!
So, if anyone disagrees with you, they should become Christians? This
is priceless. Where do you come up with this stuff? Learn to be a
human, before your proclaim yourself to be a Hindu.
Dinesh
Richard Corfield
> On May 7, ?:?? am, ravimpillay <ravimpil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > All kinds of Sanyasis, Sadhus, of India have significant numbers of
>> > perverts among them. They do sexually exploit vulnerable Indian young
>> > and old women.
>>
>> among them
Given a large population - all Christians, all Hindus, you'll find good
eggs and bad eggs. As far as I understand the sanyasis are individuals,
so there's a chance you'll get bad ones. You can also get bad priests
in any religion.
The news channels here tend to paint Hinduism in a bad light at times
which may not help. I'm not sure how much I have the true picture of how
the religion works in practice in India. I only really have the local
people and how it works for them, and the relatively little knowledge
I have of the scriptures.
Maybe we can ask whether Brahmacharia, which as far as Swami Sichanada
seems to say in his writings goes as far as seeing natural body processes
as disease, is a problem. Many religions have celibate clergy. Some
may be able to do it, maybe for some it's a strain. Of course if we
start challenging that then we start asking questions like "why have
monks anyway?" which has quite complex answers.
With a church or a temple you have the hope that the clergy or pundit
is supported and effectively vetted by their community, by a larger
community perhaps. The priest at my local temple has been very good,
and one thing I do like is that there is actually no pressure for me to
convert to Hinduism. My local church is evangelical, quite different in
its beliefs. It believes in the need to "Go out and win souls". To be
fair they don't try to force it on you but they really wish to convince
you.
As for this church in India making itself look like a temple. I think
it depends on how they do it and why, most importantly why. The Why will
shape what it does in its community. One thing I so strongly believe is
that helping others with intent only to convert them is wrong. If they are
genuinely crossing the boundary and accepting the good bits that Hinduism
has then great. If they are doing it because to them the only thing that
matters is "winning souls" no matter how then that is not great.
Then again it would be isolated. It would presumably serve those that
accept it well. As long as it doesn't cause difficulty. Is Hindu worship
of Christ much different to Hindu worship of, say, Swami Narayan? As
long as you keep some basic understandings including that other people
have other ways which are also valid for them?
I wish people would realise that in the end the actual teachings of
the major religions are so similar. I've been given a booklet by my
local church, "Newness of Life" by John Eddison, with its readings and
teachings and in the readings I can see so much of what I've learned from
Hinduism and Buddhism. I can almost draw parallels with other scripture -
maybe better if I knew all the other scripture better. I can certainly
_easily_ relate the readings so far to Hindu or Buddhist concepts.
The only thing that gets me is this insistence on the idea that you
_have_ to be Christian to be "saved". The commentary in the book also
uses this interpretation. It seems that Christianity can work well.
The teachings are there, but there's this additional stuff. Generalise
it a bit and you get something quite nice.
- Richard
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Romanise
<Richard.Corfi...@REVERSE.uk.me.littondale> wrote:
Richard,
Hope your effort teaches something worthwhile to those claiming
affiliation to one religion keeping themselves constantly busy hurting
those who they think are believers of a different religion.
What keeps me surprised is that Indians capable of writing OK English
are not worried about how they hurt block who are their own or who
they think are less of Indians, and so are not their own.
Richard Corfield
>
> Hope your effort teaches something worthwhile to those claiming
> affiliation to one religion keeping themselves constantly busy hurting
> those who they think are believers of a different religion.
>
Thanks. I'd like to get involved in interfaith work in my area.
I wonder how viable it is at times, given the amount acting for
separation. I think it would just take time.
The Deep
Richard,
Thank you for a thoughtful article. It was timely, especially
since the newsgroups seems to filled with inanities, and an
unwillingness for people to find common ground. I quite agree that
there is a good bit of similarity in the core beliefs (mystical core,
if you will) of *all* religions. However, I think a good starting
point would be to emphasize the similarities of the human animal in
the "here and now," even before exploring exploring the similarities
in the "abstract" civilizing force of religion. Just my thoughts. I
wish you luck in your endeavors.
Dinesh
Richard Corfield
>
> Richard,
>
> Thank you for a thoughtful article. It was timely, especially
> since the newsgroups seems to filled with inanities, and an
> unwillingness for people to find common ground. I quite agree that
> there is a good bit of similarity in the core beliefs (mystical core,
> if you will) of *all* religions. However, I think a good starting
> point would be to emphasize the similarities of the human animal in
> the "here and now," even before exploring exploring the similarities
> in the "abstract" civilizing force of religion. Just my thoughts. I
> wish you luck in your endeavors.
Thanks.
I wonder how much of the similarity in the civilising force could be
down to the similarities in the human animal. So much of the similarity
I see in religion is very much at the practical level - the idea that
greed is not helpful, compassion and helping other is, attachment to
material gain is not helpful.
(I note how some people do get rich and do very well for others from
it, but that seems to be a difference in their approach. I read about
Peter Gabriel yesterday as an example but wonder if his wealth came as
a side effect of him loving his job, and now he's in a great position
to help others. Someone else I know about has been greedy, but lives
in a back-stabbing world with it. That said, he reports that he is very
happy with it.)
All the religions seem to practice reverence for something 'other' even
if it's not a god as such for the Buddhists. Their prayer starts "In the
Buddha, Dharma and Sangha I take refuge...". Devotion is something I'd
like to understand more. There's also meditation in some form. I've not
studied Islam as yet, but it wouldn't surprise me to find it there too
even outside the Sufis.
Although the reasons and explanations in each religion are different,
they seem to get their people doing very similar things, at least
nowadays. There are a number of possible beliefs as to how that came to
be. There are some big differences between the religions. Differences
such as the need to evangelise or the belief that non-believers will go
to hell seem to be where the pain comes from.
By abstracting I am choosing to ignore the different actual beliefs and
explanations and just leave them as "unresolved" at the moment, which is
something that many people in each religion would not accept. I'm reducing
the relevance of whether or not Jesus was the son of God, whether Brahma
did create the world[1] and so on. It is things like this that the church
at least seems to emphasise above the non-greed, help others and so forth.
Would exploring the similarities at the human level be more akin to
humanism? Are you more humanist, or do you follow one (or more) of
the religions?
- Richard
[1] If Brahma is seen as the force of creation, then doesn't that become
true by definition? That would be a consideration of the Hindu
deities as personifications of aspects of a Brahman that is the
beauty/divinity of the world we live in. Such a Brahman would indeed
be phenomenal. I'm not sure how close to the mark or far from the mark
that understanding is, as it's not a "personal god". The best I've
been able to work out is that some believe that way, some don't. I
suspect from practice that more don't.
Wanderer
young lovers in Haryana were first strangled to death and then displayed
as trophies of some medieval hunt as their battered bodies lay in the
front yard of the killers' house, in full view of a gawking public.
Emboldened by the applauding "audience", the murderers, all from the
girl's family, triumphantly marched to the police station and proclaimed
they had rid themselves and the village of an "unwashable evil".
As Balah in Karnal celebrated the killings on Friday morning, sarpanch
Ranbir Singh Mann announced with pride that the entire village supported
the family in its crime. "We're happy. The couple got what they
deserved," he sniggered.
More @
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Lovers_killed_to_avenge_dishonour/articleshow/3026253.cms
The Deep
>
> drivel snipped
>
and the point of your post was????
Dinesh
Wanderer
Where Jay at, yo?
Richard Corfield
news provider will reject my article)
On 2008-05-10, Wanderer <n...@there.yet> wrote:
> KARNAL/CHANDIGARH: Taking honour killings to barbaric heights, two
> young lovers in Haryana were first strangled to death and then displayed
> as trophies of some medieval hunt as their battered bodies lay in the
> front yard of the killers' house, in full view of a gawking public.
>
> Emboldened by the applauding "audience", the murderers, all from the
> girl's family, triumphantly marched to the police station and proclaimed
> they had rid themselves and the village of an "unwashable evil".
>
> As Balah in Karnal celebrated the killings on Friday morning, sarpanch
> Ranbir Singh Mann announced with pride that the entire village supported
> the family in its crime. "We're happy. The couple got what they
> deserved," he sniggered.
It sounds nasty. If the police aren't acting on it as the story hints then
we'd really want to wonder why. Does the legal system there allow this?
Reading the story it sounds like the lady was pregnant with the son
of her lover, not her husband. While I don't condone killing in this
situation, or forced marriage, I think some people here ought to ask
themselves what their view of this situation is. I know someone who was
kicked out of their local church when they got divorced. That's only
divorce - not carrying the child of someone other than your husband -
and the person was ex-communicated from their community and friends.
In a modern, UK, more 'enlightened' Christian church. What would _you_
do if presented with someone like this?
We'd hope in our world that we don't force marriages and don't kill people
for having the wrong child - even in our more religious churches. Even
then, even in the UK, we still have a class system of sorts, and a lot
of us still have strong attitudes in cases like this.
- Richard
Romanise
It is unlikely that police did not register a case.
"Wanderer" rightly tells "Dr" who started this thread to concern
himself with problems of Indian (hindu) society.
The Deep
I think that all have gone down the path of telling our "Dr. Cut-and-
Paste" to post to his own special group (yeah, he has fans) and that
hasn't worked. It is best to ignore the idiot instead of constantly
fueling his desire to spam million more groups. If you use Firefox to
browse the newsgroup, and you have the add-on GreaseMonkey installed,
you can use a freely available Javascript to killfile the good Dr.,
any of his Hindu "alter egos," and other "warriors" (of various
religious persuasions) and kooks.
Dinesh
Azure
>
> KARNAL/CHANDIGARH: Taking honour killings to barbaric heights,
Always do, Mark of Cain, Judge your Brothers and Stone Them.
When the bonds between man and God occurred the first sin was "MURDER"!
two
> young lovers in Haryana were first strangled to death and then displayed
> as trophies of some medieval hunt
Try being of the Hind the Great Stagg of the Hunt.
My Ancestry is based on the Slaughter of the Underdog who was fighting
for the people.
Strangers are not welcome.
But in the Bible the "Strangers" are the Angels of Babylon, Sodom and
Gomorra and so many others.
as their battered bodies lay in the
> front yard of the killers' house, in full view of a gawking public.
After 3 days, the Holy Ghost shall rise.
>
> Emboldened by the applauding "audience", the murderers, all from the
> girl's family, triumphantly marched to the police station and proclaimed
> they had rid themselves and the village of an "unwashable evil".
"Knowledge is Evil" kill that which is different or we may have to
think.
>
> As Balah in Karnal celebrated the killings on Friday morning, sarpanch
> Ranbir Singh Mann announced with pride that the entire village supported
> the family in its crime. "We're happy. The couple got what they
> deserved," he sniggered.
Like the Hopi Indians teach, Karma shall be the victor.
One may not "KILL".
Romanise
I use groups.google.com to read and write on usenet groups.
I have started using Firefox for some time as IE-7 was creating
trouble.
I am afraid of too many things on my Laptop, Toshiba satellite bought
4 years back.
As it is machine comes up very slowly and I am not good at taking
backups.
As for "Dr." he is tiring too, his campaign against Obama having had
no effect.
I get time to kill, and that is when I open SCI.
A friend from India two days back wrote that Indian corruption will be
removed in 10 years because of "online accountability".
For my petition I have sent emails to anyone significant in India
whose Email-id I could find on internet.
It will soon be one full year since petition went online, but have not
heard from any School Board that they are considering the change
petitioned for.
ravimpillay
Romanise
> you are pathetic........
Who "you" and for what reasons?
ravimpillay
Your petition is pathetic......
you are wasting your time ........
crazy NRI fool if i may say so
Romanise
> Your petition is pathetic......
Whose "Your" ?
What "petition" ?
What is "pathetic" about or in it?
ravimpillay
you live in NRI fools paradise.......
too silly to be bothered by your concern ....
ha ha ha ha ha ha