LEVITATION
Habib
He has not levitated. He does not understand that although levitation is a very real phenomena, it is nothing like the "hollywood version" entertained by the masses, and propagated by such foolish activities as "yogic flying" which in reality is a bunch of hatha yogins who hop around in lotus posture, like frogs. Not one of these "yogic fliers" has ever shown the ability to cause the body to hang in the air with no apparent means of support, for longer than a few seconds. And this is a group whose yogic practices certainly have the capacity to manifest siddhis - I have seen first-hand the results of this in certain individuals who did the TM siddhi program years ago (pop hinduism for the television generation). If these people cannot float in the air, the author of this post most certainly cannot.
Authentic levitation is a phenomenon experienced at advanced levels of yogic meditation, but which has absolutely nothing to do with the physical body rising into the air. When it happens, there is a sensation that at first may cause the closed-eyed practitioner to feel that they are physically floating, but if this person were to open their eyes, they would find their physical body to be on the floor still. This phenomenon occurs on the level of the astral, or etheric body. This body is also called pranamayakosha, being composed of vital force (much grosser level than kundalini), so because it is only one step up in refinement from the physical body, it is easily felt, and many of the sensations arising in the astral body are commonly misperceived to be happening on the physical level. When the meditator begins to experience the sensations of levitation, no matter how "real" or physical it may seem, their astral body is becoming elevated, as a result of their elevated consciousness.
Physical levitation, and similar ideas, commonly have their source in "pseudo-metaphysics." Sufi Sam (Sufi Ahmed Murad Chishti), the originator of "sufi dancing" said in a poem: "They speak of metaphysics, who know not physics?" There was more to the poem, but I think the picture is clear. Even metaphysics as it is defined in the West, in it's inception, did not espouse ideas which directly contradicted the natural laws of physics. Metaphysics in those days was an extension of physics, practiced by educated people who knew science, but understood that beyond the bounds of gross matter, they wanted to discover the laws that governed "subtle matter." But the laws they propounded did not contradict the laws of nature, but were merely the subtle extension of them.They considered the laws of both physical & subtle nature to be on a continuum of the same existence, and their metaphysical research was oriented along this line of reasoning. I'm sure many here have heard the classic hermetic axiom "as above so below" from the Emerald Tablets? This axiom applies throughout all existence, so it definitely applies here.
Whenever you hear a person speak of what they call "metaphysics," but which is in open contradiction with the observable laws of the physical level of existence, you can be certain that what they are telling you is "pseudo-metaphysics."
This individual also "parrots" the popular understanding of what a mantra is for, which does not correspond to its context within traditional teachings. This is revealing. More "hollywood definitions" for the gullible masses...
Habib
* "aaaggg" = frustration at the ability of "maya" to deceive
Moghdien
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Habib
Thats one of Pantanjali's sultras. By conquering the current called Udana.
I think that I should qualify my persistent use of the word vedanta, for the benefit of those who may have noticed my insinuation that vedanta philosophy holds added weight, in relation to yoga. The phrase "vedanta" literally means "end of the vedas" and implies the "culmination" of the vedas. It is expressed in it's purest form in the Upanishads. Vedanta holds special weight & authority of truth, with respect to yoga, for by the time it made it's appearance on the scene, each of the various systems: yoga, samkhya, tantra, etc, had built on the ones preceding it, adding to & expanding on it's particular achievements and understandings. Vedanta is the final end result of this indeterminably long process, and represents the loftiest expression of sanatana dharma, towards which Vedic philosophies had been moving for millennia. This does not mean that the earlier systems have been discounted at all, but that each of the older systems can now reach higher levels of understanding when approached within the framework of Vedanta. Vedanta is the proof of all the other yogas, and the proof of all religions. If any portion of yoga could be said to be beyond religion, it would be vedanta. It is beyond religion, yet it unites them all.
Habib
Habib
Once again I will have to agree with you, when I used to levitate it was a feeling like weightlessness and also like you said , when I open my eyes I was going no where and the levitation stooped, after some years of this it will pass and the next step is the feeling of being a part of all your thoughts (oneness) but not total oneness, that will take a few more years
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Yes:
And it does feel remarkably as if the body is floating up into the air, doesn't it? Even to the degree that for some, the experience can be disconcerting at first. Someone told me that when it first happened to them, their immediate reaction was to duck, because they thought their head was going to bump the ceiling!
Habib
p. blauw
>Moghdien wrote in message <80sttk$75s$1...@fraggle.esatclear.ie>...
>Thats one of Pantanjali's sultras. By conquering the current called Udana.
More Sutra's elaborate about this subject...
Samyama again!
:-)
Shanti
Habib
THIS ISN'T YOGA!!!!!!!!!!!
HABIB
Hari Har Singh
aaaggg <aaa...@tdl.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
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>
>
> CLEVITATION
>
> Levitation---the rising in the air in apparent defiance of gravity.
>
> First I must ask you a few questions? If you say "no" to any then you are
not a
> good candidate for levitation.
>
> 1. Are you a vegetarian? If you eat meat in any form then you will no
qualify.
etc....
There are much easier ways to rise up in the air in apparent defiance of
gravity these days.
LUFTHANSA, BRITISH AIRWAYS, etc. would take me on a flight without any of
the mentioned requirements.
Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
PS: Why are you posting in alt.yoga??
Hamsayogini
If Habib is responding with an "AAGG!" & a "this is not yoga" to the question
of "levitation" then I will disagree.
Hatha Yoga Pradipika gives a pranayam for the same.
Om Santi ...
Sakti Lalita
Habib
> gravity these days.
> LUFTHANSA, BRITISH AIRWAYS, etc. would take me on a flight without any of
> the mentioned requirements.
>
> Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
>
> PS: Why are you posting in alt.yoga??
Hari Har Singh:
Why isn't this individual posting to:
"Alt.pseudo.philosophy.new.age.money.making.seminar"?
You've got a great sense of humor...even your name..."hari har" is reminiscent
of a good cleansing bout of laughter! (hope that was respectful)
Habib
Habib
I am not a hatha yogi. What do you think Patanjali was referring to in his sutras
when he mentioned asan? Do you think it was the system of physical exercises we
see today? Will rising into the air help you realize God? Realizing God is the
goal of yoga. Regardless of whether it is possible to physically levitate,
focusing on the acquiring of siddhis is dangerous. Ramakrishna Paramhamsa rightly
said that siddhis are to be avoided like crow droppings by the side of the road.
Siddhis are proper only when spontaneously manifested through one by God, for
God's purpose, rather than by act of personal will. Few there are who can
intentionally use yogic powers without some ego inflation. Many who do so create
cults of personality around themselves. Desiring to get siddhis will take one
further from God, not closer.
Habib
Steven M. Stoltz
Sri Brahman-Atmananda Paramahansa
> I'll give your post a good laugh, that's all you're worth.
At least *HE's* worth that much.
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Before you buy.
p. blauw
Hamsayogini wrote in message
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>
>Hatha Yoga Pradipika gives a pranayam for the same.
>
>Om Santi ...
>Sakti Lalita
Which one?
I know about Patanjali Sutra's, one is about Samyama.
Shanti
p. blauw
Habib wrote in message <3834D7CF...@uswest.net>...
>What do you think Patanjali was referring to in his sutras
>when he mentioned asan?
>Do you think it was the system of physical exercises we
>see today?
I don't know how Asana's are being done overthere, (one wrote here that he
performs over 100 asana's in one session! :-) but I bellieve basically yes!
Same. Look in Hatha Yoga Pradipika.
Maybe only the goal is different?
>Will rising into the air help you realize God?
>...
> Realizing God is the goal of yoga.
Obvious!
> Regardless of whether it is possible to physically levitate, (it is)
>focusing on the acquiring of siddhis is dangerous.
And of course not the goal of Yoga.
>Ramakrishna Paramhamsa rightly
>said that siddhis are to be avoided like crow droppings by the side of the
road.
This I disagree with. When you read Patanjali carefully, you will see he
sais firstly
that Ego etc must be 'under control' and about the Siddhi's, that they are
only
stepping stones (meaning they spontaneoulsy manifest) on the road. To be
used only as
a test, to indicate that your progress towards Liberation is going well.
>Few there are who can
>intentionally use yogic powers without some ego inflation.
And that is the pitfall! When Ego shows up again...
>Many who do so create
>cults of personality around themselves. Desiring to get siddhis will take
one
>further from God, not closer.
Right! Beware of Ego and it leading you astray...
Shanti -
Hari Har Singh
Habib <rawim...@uswest.net> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
3834D93C...@uswest.net...
> > There are much easier ways to rise up in the air in apparent defiance of
> > gravity these days.
> > LUFTHANSA, BRITISH AIRWAYS, etc. would take me on a flight without any
of
> > the mentioned requirements.
> >
> > Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
> >
> > PS: Why are you posting in alt.yoga??
>
> Hari Har Singh:
>
> Why isn't this individual posting to:
>
> "Alt.pseudo.philosophy.new.age.money.making.seminar"?
I'm wondering why this NG isn't created yet?
> You've got a great sense of humor...even your name..."hari har" is
reminiscent
> of a good cleansing bout of laughter! (hope that was respectful)
I learned that "harhar" is american english for "laughter" right?
That's ok with me - I love to laugh and would enjoy to read more jokes in
this NG!
Har means "God"
And Hari Har Singh can be translated into "the flow of God".
A laughter is indeed something flowing ...
Maybe we should laugh more about this divine joke we call "life" ;-))
--
Habib
Hari Har Singh:
You have a very fine spiritual name. In fact, when in a devotional mood, I have
been known to exclaim "Hari Bol!" with extreme fervour! Nice to hear from you!
Habib
p. blauw
Sri Brahman-Atmananda Paramahansa wrote in message
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>Levitation is an aishwarya, an ascetic majesty. If you are able to
>contemplate on the relationship of subtle energy and gross matter, then
>effortlessly [void of friction] focus your mind on the thought "light
>as cotton fiber", you'll be able to do it. It is an indicator that one
>is progressing in the science of mind control. And it feels good. Other
>than those... it is utterly useless.
Almost the same explanation in Patanjali Sutra's, Samyama on these.
And you are right, Siddhi's are useful only as a 'test' of how well you
progress
and in the desired direction. For the rest they better be avoided, as they
easily
start enlarging Ego.
OM Shanti