The attraction remains w/ alt.yoga
omjaroo
alt.yoga I want to share with. I have no idea why... Rarely is what I
say acknowledged, understood or even discussed. But I am learning not
to second guess the "power." For some reason I am supposed to direct
my energy here. So here I am. I'm glad you're here. Perhaps eventually
we'll all know why :-)
Any ideas?
Jared
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HB...@hotmail.com
Ideas about what?
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omjaroo
Perhaps; why are you here? That is, I shared a personal moment and I
invited anyone who cared to to chime in...
What do you think?
Jared
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HB...@hotmail.com
I think that if I share an idea and it is not acknowledged then I have
not put it forward in a way the the other recives it or even uderstand
that he/she was the intended recipient of the communication
I think that if I share an idea and it is not understood then I had
better get to work and be more succinct in my communication.
I think that if I put forward an idea into a group of people and it is
not responded to or discussed then more than likely my input was way
off the mark as far as what the group considers "reality" is
concerned.
> Perhaps; why are you here?
"Perhaps"
makes me wonder if you know what you actually intended by your post
> "why are you here?"
seems to me to be useless speculation. From what I have seen in myself,
(and others) it would just be the current line of BS that I am buying
into, the present story being touted as truth, no more real than the
last line of BS, no less real than the new line of BS that comes with
further speculation, just so much ego-drama.
> "That is, I shared a personal moment and I invited anyone who cared to to chime in..."
BYW, IMO, your original post on this thread was structured in such a
way that would discourage any response from most people.
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omjaroo
There are only two states from which a human being can be motivated to
act; fear or non-fear.
Which motivates your response to me?
Jared
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NBennett
where does that come from? i would have said fear and want.
nb
omjaroo
Hi Nancy,
Good point and very close except that "want" is an expression of
"fear" and not a different thing from fear. Fear or not fear is an
observation and a point of logic. Just as one can not be a "little bit
pregnant," that is either you are or you are not, one is either acting
in fear or not. The fear acted in, might be a little or a lot, but
either there is fear and the action is being motivated by it or not.
No other possibility. So if one is being motivated by "not fear," what
is it that motivates them? That would be the "default" human trait or
motivation, "Love." Human being have their very existence in and as
Love. Absent fear they must naturally express who and what they are;
eg Love. There is no need to "try" and Love, we can only "let" Love
express. Love is reality that exists (and takes place) in the Now
moment and fear is an anticipation (or imagining) which doesn't exist
and will never take place, but non-the-less motivates us to "protect"
ourselves, which means we must do something against someone (or
something) else in order that we be safe.
I did a quicky search on google groups, alt.yoga for omjaroo+motivated
+fear and came up with the following, which might help explain what I
mean about fear/non fear and also what the meaning of my question was
to HB :-)
Jared
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Hi,
I was watching my 14 year old son launch into a what promised to be a
grand and luxurious stretch, when he abruptly stopped and with a
pained
look on his face, declared, "I hate it when I stretch because I feel
like someone is going to poke me in the ribs."
Noting an opportunity to point out a important concept in human (and
cosmic) relations I explained to him that this is a perfect example of
a
very natural human behavior. I'm not sure what to call it, (in
psychology it's called projection) but it is common to all people.
That
is the tendency for people to ascribe their own traits to others
around
them. My son felt vulnerable (quite without cause in this case) to
someone poking him the ribs while he stretched. Why? Because he is the
one who likes to poke (and irritate others in a million different
ways)
people in the ribs. So it is he who fears the very thing that he might
do. Ironically, in a sense he is being punished (can't enjoy a
stretch)
for actions he has taken or would take. No doubt we've all seen this
effect in the liar who is afraid of being cheated and the thief who is
so careful to protect himself and his property from being stolen. The
filter through we view our world is the one with which we are most
familiar and knowledgeable. Often times we will accuse others around
us
of the vary qualities and actions of which we ourselves are guilty.
For
instance my ex-wife insists most ardently that I am a liar. I have
never
lied to the women and yet it was she who stood in court and lied her
pretty as* off and has lied many, many times. The fact is she has a
value for lying and I don't She feels to lie serves her in some good
way. I on the other hand believe lying is poison of the highest order
and I work at eliminating it from my life. Yet my ex-wife sees me as a
liar. Her filter, not my actions.
It makes perfect sense to me that in order to lessen our fear we would
try to convince ourselves of the accuracy of our perceptions, by
seeing
these things in others. Another example. I have been frightened much
of
my life and I am very quick to judge other's behaviors and
motivations.
Naturally, I am very sensitive to being judged and as such, am quick
to
see this fault in others. As I continue to let go of my fear, my
propensity for quick judgment lessens correspondingly. I am also in a
much better position to accurately determine whether I am being
arbitrarily judged or if there is reason and cause for someone's
criticism. I am developing an open mind but it can only be as open as
I
am willing to be vulnerable (and responsible). I must be willing and
able not to protect myself.
I have found it very difficult (but not impossible) to have an open
mind. In addition to vulnerability, an open mind must be an empty
mind.
Without preconception, interpretation or filter. This is how I use
jhana
yoga to work on this.
My mind and emotions don't perceive the truth of what I see and
experience clearly all the time. So I constantly look at my situation
and my reaction to it and I assess whether my action, feelings and
what
I am telling myself about the situation are aligned with a known
truth.
One such truth is; God is Everywhere, God is Everything, God is Love,
Everything, Everywhere is Love. So I can judge any action or reaction
I
express which is inconsistent with one appropriate to this Truth must
be
generated by fear and therefore inaccurate (a lie). Any action based
on
fear must be inaccurate because fear always anticipates and all
anticipation is a mental construct and therefore has no substance or
reality. Any decision I make on the basis of fear will be a bad one
because it is predicated on bad information. I can also know whether I
am acting in fear or in the absence of fear by the results of my
actions. Actions motivated by fear will produce results like hate,
fear,
anger, rage, depression, longing, desire, boredom, anxiousness,
disappointment, suspicion, resentment, etc. Actions motivated without
fear will produce results which are loving, intelligent, efficient,
joyous, honest, freeing, responsible, appropriate, connecting,
inclusive, healthy, practical, measured, etc.
If my actions, words and motivations don't align with the truth then I
have corrections and or apologies to make. It is an ongoing and
somewhat
arduous process. Sometimes I lack sympathy for myself (and others)
because of the sheer amount of falsehoods which require correcting.
But
then I have to ask myself if it is sympathy (poor me, poor you) I lack
or compassion (God in me and God in you). One is generated by fear and
the other by the absence of.
Namaste
HB...@hotmail.com
I do not agree with your oversimplification of human motivation.
To keep it simple, in the context of your model, non fear is the
motivation.
HB...@hotmail.com
From what I know, when the Bhava of "God is
Everywhere, ...Everything, ...Love, etc" is truely embraced, truely
internalized as a way of being in the world, then the point of fear or
non-fear as motiviational factor in others does not arise, for it is
all God and it is all Love.