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Matt Probert  
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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:46:30 GMT
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Subject: Oracle releases free database
"Oracle Database 10g Express Edition (Oracle Database XE) is an
entry-level, small-footprint (150MB) database based on the Oracle
Database 10g Release 2 code base that's free to develop, deploy, and
distribute; fast to download; and simple to administer. Oracle
Database XE is a great starter database for:

*Developers working on PHP, Java, .NET, and Open Source applications
DBAs who need a free, starter database for training and deployment

*Independent Software Vendors (ISVs) and hardware vendors who want a
starter database to distribute free of charge

*Educational institutions and students who need a free database for
their curriculum

With Oracle Database XE, currently available as a Beta release for
Windows and Linux, you can now develop and deploy applications with a
powerful, proven, industry-leading infrastructure, and then upgrade
when necessary without costly and complex migrations. A production
release is scheduled for late 2005.

Oracle Database XE can be installed on any size host machine with any
number of CPUs, but this free version of the world's leading database
will store up to 4GB of user data, use up to 1GB of memory, and use
one CPU on the host machine."

More information, and download links are to be found at:

http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/xe/index.html

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:53:25 -0200
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:46:30 -0200, Matt Probert  

<comme...@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote:
> "Oracle Database 10g Express Edition

Yes, look at the documentation, good luck :P

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Date: 3 Nov 2005 14:25:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
Matt Probert wrote

I wonder at what stage they are expecting people to pay for something.

For me, I have no incentive to check it out.  mySQL does a perfectly
good job for me.

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:19:18 -0000
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
"Matt Probert" <comme...@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote in message

news:4369f7a0.242863390@news.ntlworld.com...

Thanks Matt. This is quite interesting.

I suppose Oracle feels it needs to have a free version given that Microsoft
provide SQL Server Express for free. I used to use both Oracle and SQL
Server many years ago and always found Oracle clunky compared with SQL
Server, I wonder how they compare now. (I now work mostly with SQL Server
and MySQL).

Somehow I don't see it denting the popularity of MySql.
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database

Neither do I.

MySQL market share now 44% according to
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18/mysql_marketshare_numbers/

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:42:34 -0200
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:25:00 -0200, Charles Sweeney  

<m...@charlessweeney.com> wrote:
> I wonder at what stage they are expecting people to pay for something.

> For me, I have no incentive to check it out.  mySQL does a perfectly
> good job for me.

It all depends on your needs and size of your company. I find ridiculous  
buying a Chevrolet Corvette if a Mr Bean car can solve my problem :P

MySQL is perfectly for small and medium-sized projects. For large portals,  
large companies, banks, Oracle and PostgreSQL are better. OSNews uses  
MySQL, and several times a week the web site is unaccessible because MySQL  
reaches the maximum simultaneous number of connections. This can't happen  
on a commercial web site such as Amazon.com.

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:42:53 +0000
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database

That's a misconfiguration, not a limitation of MySQL.

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:58:44 -0000
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> That's a misconfiguration, not a limitation of MySQL.

indeed. there's no built-in maximum on connections. you max out a server
you need to beef up the server, the bandwidth or start clustering.

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:04:51 -0000
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database

> Thanks Matt. This is quite interesting.

yeah, thanks Matt.

> I suppose Oracle feels it needs to have a free version given that
> Microsoft provide SQL Server Express for free.

oh dear god in heaven....

> I used to use both
> Oracle and SQL Server many years ago and always found Oracle clunky
> compared with SQL Server,

haven't used MSSQL in years. i wouldn't have stacked it up against Oracle
at that time for the super-enterprise level. too finicky. all that admin
hassle with patching and security. but it mostly comes down to what
licensure the client can afford.

> Somehow I don't see it denting the popularity of MySql.

i think that's what they're after, see how they specifically mention PHP
developers?

i agree they won't dent MySQL with a "lite" proprietary product but do we
now have a scallable, platform independant server that supports the FULL
SQL SPEC?

that would come in potentially handy for interfacing with other systems.


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Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:24:39 +1000
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
In post <news:4369f7a0.242863390@news.ntlworld.com>,
Matt Probert said:

> "Oracle Database 10g Express Edition

i remember in the good old days someone would accuse matt of spamming and
then we would all have fun trolling each other on why it is or isn't spam.

I really liked it when heidi got so upset/annoyed she would start to
tremble in rage and her breasts would giggle.

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brucie said:

> I really liked it when heidi got so upset/annoyed she would start to
> tremble in rage and her breasts would giggle.

                                        ^^^^^^
jiggle! i was the one giggling.

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:34:44 -0200
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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:58:44 -0200, trevor <n...@your.house> wrote:

>> That's a misconfiguration, not a limitation of MySQL.

> indeed. there's no built-in maximum on connections. you max out a server
> you need to beef up the server, the bandwidth or start clustering.

Apparently MySQL now supports clustering better and better...

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Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
brucie wrote

> In post <news:1pdv348kpyi5s$.dlg@usenetshit.info>,
> brucie said:

>> I really liked it when heidi got so upset/annoyed she would start to
>> tremble in rage and her breasts would giggle.
>                                         ^^^^^^
> jiggle! i was the one giggling.

I figured that!  (mind you, giggling breasts is an interesting concept)

Good to see you.  Getting too hot out?

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Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:09:00 -0200
Subject: Re: Oracle releases free database
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:46:30 -0200, Matt Probert  

<comme...@probertencyclopaedia.com> wrote:
> "Oracle Database 10g Express Edition (Oracle Database XE)

FYI:

Oracle 10g vs PostgreSQL 8 vs MySQL 5
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/oracle/guide/archives/005452.asp

Oracle vs Postgresql
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/1999-01/msg00198.php
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/1999-01/msg00190.php

Comparison of Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL DBMS
http://www-css.fnal.gov/dsg/external/freeware/mysql-vs-pgsql.html

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> On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:58:44 -0200, trevor <n...@your.house> wrote:

>>> That's a misconfiguration, not a limitation of MySQL.

>> indeed. there's no built-in maximum on connections. you max out a server
>> you need to beef up the server, the bandwidth or start clustering.

> Apparently MySQL now supports clustering better and better...

yeah and there's stuff like Cisco Local Director that will do the lifting
for you. i've used it with MSSQL and it was OK. had trouble with 'least
active connections' and went for round-robin at one point...but that was
NT4/Coldfusion4.5.1/IIS, not an easy build to keep happy.

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Charles wrote

> --
> Charles.

I think it would be better if you posted with your full name to avoid any
confusion with others of the same name.

I notice Brian Cryer and Brian Wakem (above) doing this.

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trevor <n...@your.house> said:

>> Thanks Matt. This is quite interesting.

> yeah, thanks Matt.

<echo />

> i agree they won't dent MySQL with a "lite" proprietary product but do we
> now have a scallable, platform independant server that supports the FULL
> SQL SPEC?

we can but prey - oops, pray.

> that would come in potentially handy for interfacing with other systems.

no kidding :)

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:24:39 +1000, brucie <s...@usenetshit.info>
wrote:

> In post <news:4369f7a0.242863390@news.ntlworld.com>,
> Matt Probert said:

> > "Oracle Database 10g Express Edition

> i remember in the good old days someone would accuse matt of spamming

LOL!

I have been waiting....<g>

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In post <news:Xns9703D59AB681Amecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4>,
Charles Sweeney said:

> Good to see you.

big kissy charles you big beast of a man you

>  Getting too hot out?

not yet just lots of storms atm.

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In post <news:436b1a69.317304171@news.ntlworld.com>,
Matt Probert said:

>> i remember in the good old days someone would accuse matt of spamming
> LOL!
> I have been waiting....<g>

evil spammer!

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:33:24 +1000, brucie <s...@usenetshit.info>
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It's a blatant advert. I make no bones about it.

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Trapped in the departure lounge at alt.www.webmaster, Matt Probert got

bored and wrote:

[Matt's sig]

> It's a blatant advert. I make no bones about it.

Heh! Now you've gone and opened up a whole can of worms... or should
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brucie wrote

> In post <news:Xns9703D59AB681Amecharlessweeneycom@130.133.1.4>,
> Charles Sweeney said:

>> Good to see you.

> big kissy charles you big beast of a man you

I bet you say that to all the boys!

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:25:00 +0000, Dylan Parry <use...@dylanparry.com>
wrote:

> Trapped in the departure lounge at alt.www.webmaster, Matt Probert got
> bored and wrote:

> [Matt's sig]
> > It's a blatant advert. I make no bones about it.

> Heh! Now you've gone and opened up a whole can of worms... or should
> that be snakes?

Might be a box of woes?

(Let's see how many people understand that one, I know you will
Dylan).

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Trapped in the departure lounge at alt.www.webmaster, Matt Probert got

bored and wrote:
> (Let's see how many people understand that one, I know you will
> Dylan).

If it refers to the filthy phrase I think it does, then yes... saying
that, I had to pull out all the stops and think very laterally to come
up with that ;)

Just let me know who the box belongs to, and then I'll know if I was on
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