Manufacturing "Errors", Was (Re: Now She Has A Cell Phone?)
Snout
Somebody is gonna have to explain to you yahoos the basic nature of writing.
JoAnn Wortz wrote in message
<_8Ol4.1082$J75.1...@feed.centuryinter.net>...in alt.tv.passions..
>And just how is it that Ethan knows her cell phone number, and Chuck knows
>her computer/phone number, and he also knows she has a vid phone on her
>'borrowed' laptop?
Surely you don't think we know of every scene that happens in Harmony do
you? *No* type of fiction works like that, otherwise we'd be subjected to
point-by-point description of someone's breakfast or morning bowel movement.
Here's a big "duh" for you - she works with Ethan; of course she could have
given him the number sometime.
We don't know when she borrowed the laptop, nor do we know everything she
said to Chuck. She's had that stupid laptop at least since the time Ethan
went to her house to retrieve that document he needed. Nah, you can't tell
somebody you have a vid phone in conversation off-screen - totally totally
unthinkable
and ridiculous.
From what I see, *you* are the ridiculous one.
And while we're at it, if the laptop comes from Ivy, it's not totally out of
character to me to see Ivy giving her the camera just for fun. Ivy likes
Theresa's curiosity and hunger for experience.
>I KNOW!!!!! The school they never attend REQUIRES each senior to have a
>laptop! It's part of their 'school supplies'. And they send in their
>homework by e-mail, so they never have to go to class.
What, did the urge to complain get so strong your brain fell out your ears?
Oh, no, nobody gets stuff like that from their *employer*! Nah, in the real
world, nobody has corporate cars or anything like that...
She's never shown in school because that's not part of the plot. Writers are
taught to focus on what we *need to know*. This isn't bad writing, it's the
way it works. Go to any writing group and ask. Your "errors" would get
laughed out of the place. Mucky, unfocused writing that includes all these
details and irrelevancies, that would be seen as bad writing.
>Whew, I was getting confused. I'm glad that's all cleared up.
>
All I see from you is a lot of confusion. You'd have to be pretty confused
to pull all these so-called "errors" out of the air all the time. Or blind.
Or conveniently ignoring the continuity that *is* there so that you can feel
intelligent in comparison. You certainly don't look intelligent. You just
look like ravings nuts. The irrationality I see here is *hilarious*.
Rasputin -hahahhahahahaha! Really searching there, weren't you? I must find
an error, I must, I must, I must find an error...Oh, my, all of the mistakes
on Passions are just so overwhelming...
-- they don't research paperclips.
--- personalities are consistent, despite fan speculation (ie. Ivy
doesn't worry about Pilar blackmailing her, because she knows Pilar isn't
like that).
--- they don't show us useless irrelevancies, figuring that we're smart
enough to know stuff is plausible.
----characters are not automatons defined by their religious beliefs and can
think
for themselves.
--- and, the mantra of the hardcore soap fan- they don't do what I want 'em
to do - WAAAAAAAAAAA! They must be incompetent!
Let's talk about what a soap is *not*. It's not a
documentary. It's not one of those webcam places where we see people's every
move. It's fiction, and more than likely, in Passions' case, it's parody as
well. It's kind of scary to me that people should need to be reminded of
that. You *do* realize that there' s no such place as Harmony, correct? The
next time you make one of these complaints, take a minute to think about
what you are writing.
When I visualize this newsgroup, I think of a bunch of people sitting
in a theater watching a dramatic movie and screaming at the screen "damn,
this isn't funny! What's wrong with those idiot writers?" This isn't only
ridiculous, it's downright insane.
To really criticize writing, you first have to understand the process, and
the product. I haven't seen much evidence of either here. Just a lot of
blowing steam out the ass, which makes this place pretty stinky. What's
more, if you really think the writers are reading this group in order to
correct their "errors", you *are* freakin' delusional. IIRC the shows are
usually written and taped about two weeks - one month in advance - or at
least that's the industry standard.
Actually, that would be really sad, the writers having to say to themselves
"Gee, most of the fans just don't get what we're doing, so we'd better dumb
it down, start providing superfluous information and stop taking fun risks".
Fortunately, they're not gonna do that just because you can't recognize
parody and want something to whine about to make you feel better. They're
professionals, and aren't any more likely to mess up their writing over fan
input than your doctor is to change his/her diagnosis completely based only
on your perceptions. Thank heaven for that. If the writers took advice from
you, I'd stop watching, and I can guarantee you, so would a lot of people.
I don't think you people really "get" how much writing is about limited
space, about using the words and time you do have productively. A scene like
this :
Theresa - Ethan, here's my cell phone number. And please thank your mother
for the dresses.
Ethan - Ok, I will. Glad you liked them.
may seem perfectly normal and even necessary to you, but to a writer or
editor, it is just a waste of space..space that they don't have. A good
writer is taught to edit out *everything* that doesn't actively advance the
plot or develop the character. This definitely includes explaining plausible
stuff that doesn't need explaining if you know how to use your imagination
even minimally. What Mopsee wrote was also true - it would be even more of a
waste of time to have to watch the characters get on without technology. The
bottom line is that the writers are trying to avoid wasted time. This isn't
anything close to a "mistake". It's customary and preferable.
It's equally unimportant that we see Whitney on the court all the time
unless it advances the story in some way. (Not to mention the fact that
soaps have a limited budget, meaning limited sets). Stop telling everybody
else to "get real" and stop making excuses. JoAnn and the rest of you who
make these dumb complaints -*you* get real, and learn what writing and
producing a soap is all about before talking out of your asses. I'm sick of
your bullying. No, I'm not even gonna think of suggesting that Whitney
isn't
playing tennis all the time because it's winter, when any fool knows it's
because it doesn't advance the damned plot at this point.
Now, if you want to complain about why Whitney's tennis isn't more
integrated
into the plotline, that's a valid gripe. Just don't give me this stupidity
about her wasting all her time hanging around with Theresa - the scene she
was in at the Lobster Shack, in real life, would have taken, like, what a
half-hour tops? Obviously, she plays tennis off-screen. It's obvious to
anyone but an utter moron.
Do you all ever
want to actually *see* the character interact with other people and be
involved in plotlines? Or do you want the dry realism of watching her play
tennis or be absent all the time? You know, a painting of a flower isn't an
exact replica either. The reason we like it it because it's beautiful or
meaningful in some way. Or just plain enjoyable.So the show doesn't do what
you think it should. Get over it. Save the boring details for your fan
fiction. No one would read it anyway.
Come to think of it, I don't think you care how the show turns out. You just
like to hear yourself bitch
But, back to the topic..
Writers, like all of us, have a limited amount of time. Research is a
necessary thing only if the "error" a lack of research produces isn't
glaring and offensive. Even if they knew who invented the paperclip, there
could be legal or financial issues preventing them from using the name.
Maybe they're gun-shy after that hullabaloo about using Di's name. Or maybe
they're too
smart to waste their time with research that most sane people neither
require nor appreciate.
Who knows? Who cares? For most people, suspension of disbelief
does not involve knowing stuff about paperclips. There aren't errors here,
but carefully considered decisions. I've got a concept for you. Maybe the
ages and timelines are confusing not because the writers "made a mistake"
but because they don't really *care*. The genre is as visual as it is
verbal, and the only way to get a balance of eye-candy is to play with the
ages a bit. You think the writers don't *know* this? No,
they just have a different set of priorities. More importantly, they know
they're constructing a fictional story - do you know you're viewing one?
The fact that you people care - now that's truly pathetic. If you're going
to worry about details, maybe you should use that energy for something more
useful. If you're going to watch a soap, just shut up and enjoy it. This
group contains some of the stupidest things I've read in some time. You guys
are certainly helping soap fans to live up to the stereotype.
In any case, the only other reason for research is if the medium requires
it. I haven't seen anything that indicates to me that Passions involves
that degree of
realism. Nothing. Ha-ha - I suppose it was an "error" when Sunset Beach used
the term "Niagra"?
Writing for comedy/adventure/parody does not require the same degree of
verisimilitude as writing for serious drama; however, from what I have seen,
the writers of Passions have done their best to at least keep it plausible
without wrecking the drama or the rhythm, which isn't true of all or even
most other soaps. In fact, they've done a pretty damned good job of keeping
the fantasy fantastical and
the "reality" more realistic, including details and consistent character
motivation.
Otherwise, they would have had Sheridan and Luis jump into bed before
dissipating their hostility. Otherwise, we'd have shit like "Martin's
Syndrome" (for those who don't watch, a made-up soap disease that makes you
break out in bubbles the size of golf balls). I'm not saying that stuff is
awful, just that criticizing Passions for being unrealistic is like
criticizing a 6 ft. tall guy in a
room full of women for being short. ..or criticizing him for being tall. It
doesn't make sense.
I'm not saying there aren't problems - there is the usual Reilly stuff,
like overuse of flashbacks and rehashes, the repetition, and having
characters talk to themselves all the time. There are the legitimate errors
of consistency that come with maintaining a long-term program written by
several people (this isn't unique to soaps -check out s/f fantasy series
books with several
authors) And yes, there is the amusingly awkward dialogue - but somehow it
works.
This show is mainly comedy - and comedy supports, sometimes even requires,
stereotyped characters with a degree of flatness.
.
I'm going to have to go look up the address for Passions, so I can
congratulate the writers on doing such a good job. If any of them are
reading - which I kind of doubt anyway, I hope they take it to heart that
the
people watching the show are not all blithering idiots.
You people talk about "the writers" like they're some unspecified group of
people up there in the sky somewhere, like the ubiquitous "they" everyone
talks about. No, they have names and histories. Fans who bother to know what
they are talking about before foaming at the mouth know this.
I quote, from ratsm:
"All of the writers have history writing for soaps. Either GL or DOOL, both
of which Reilly's headwritten. Two of them--Roger Newman and Nancy Williams
Watt--were at GL for many years so their coming to Passions was somewhat of
a
surprise. Most of the behind the scenes crew have lots of soap experience,
including many Emmys and Emmy nominations."
I paraphrase, from alt.tv.passions - the writers are nuts, the writers made
another mistake, we love to hear ourselves bitch, blah blah blah.
Trust me,
you people are *not* any more clever or intelligent than the writers, not
even remotely, though the shit you say is at least half as funny -
unintentionally, I'm assuming ( though if it were an attempt to make fun of
the stuff that goes on in this ng, that paperclip thing would have been
brilliant).
It's kind of like a basic rule - know what you are talking about before you
open your mouth to criticize something. Maybe you people should do *your*
research, for a change.
You're not finding all these little things the writers missed - you're
just making yourselves look like fools.
There are people, the soap press for one, who point out legitimate errors
when they occur. You'll notice, however, that SOD is not brimming over with
spurious complaints about this or that omission. Even they know that it's
often a matter of balancing reality with effect. .If they can do this, I
think a bunch of so-called "fans" should be able to manage.
Sheesh, I can't even think about what would happen if the writers tried to
fix all these "errors". What an unwatchable mess that would produce. I can
see an episode or two - or fifty -
Charity decides she can't use her powers because the pope wouldn't like it,
hell, why stop there - nobody in town except Tabitha can do anything
intentionally supernatural or even recognize it because they're all
Catholics. What's more, there's no more divorce, adultery, sex before
marriage, thievery or murder. None of them would consider it, even think
about it, because they're all Catholics. Tabitha gets her powers back and
tortures the boring bunch slowly.
The show is boiled down to this and an hour of Whitney playing tennis every
day while
Ivy and Julian wait on Pilar hand and foot at the club and watch. Every
time they complain, she snarls "don't even think about it" and spits on the
ground.
The plot, such as there is, moves really slowly because people are too busy
explaining things for the idiot fans. Since we have to account for Harmony
life 24/7, a day now takes two months instead of two weeks. Within a week
real time, we hate all the characters and relish watching Tabby kill them.
The only possible mystery or joy left lies in waiting for the day when a
crazed Pilar rips out Tabby's jugular with her teeth while Whitney, staring
off into space mindlessly, with glazed eyes, hits them both repeatedly over
the head with her tennis racket.
Man, that would make one fine program...At the end the somewhat Gollumized
Theresa can take off her ring and reappear in the midst of the carnage.
(This doesn't have anything to do with any complaints, it just sounded like
fun - my thanks to whoever posted the Tolkein comparison). Ah, the tragedy
of Passions.
C.
.
JoAnn Wortz
It's a good thing I'm not thin skinned, or I might be offended.
Obviously, you have missed the fact that this newsgroup is mostly a group of
people who love Passions, and who also love to criticize it, not because we
think the writers are really stupid, but because it is FUN! I'm sure not
one of us seriously thinks our comments have any effect on the show, or that
we are even right about plot twists. We just like to speculate and have fun
with the whole show. Occasionally, we even learn a little something (i.e.
Wicca vs witches) while we are enjoying each other's company in a harmless
manner.
As for my lack of appreciation for the writers' skills, it may interest you
to know that I had my first professional piece published over four decades
ago, and have continued to publish on a regular basis. No editor I've ever
worked with would allow the kind of inconsistencies evidenced in Passions to
make it to print. As light entertainment, Passions is fantastic. It
stretches the mind while giving people a good laugh. And this newsgroup
could be an educational esperience for you, if you would open your mind and
allow for others to have a difference of opinion from your own.
For someone who finds this newsgroup so distasteful, I'm surprised you have
been around long enough to form such opinions.
Snout <t...@icehouse.net> wrote in message
news:2SJm4.107$pK3....@sea-read.news.verio.net...
Ken and Sam
Recent posts from "Snout" have now been read and registered by all.
I appreciate his/her sarcasm, incite and judgment of this newsgroup and his/her
right to do so.
Nevertheless, as JoAnn eloquently stated, this domain is a haven for those who
love the show Passions, love to rant and criticize it. We truly do GET the
humor and writing. We understand Time in a soap and the Methods of Writing and
Developing a story.
We are about fun. We are about this newsgroup.
Snout is not.
Crass jabs and insults regarding the group's intelligence are surely anyone's
prerogative, but the recent posts only bring to the forefront yet another inane
flamer, bent on focusing the whole group on one individual.
While you have some interesting ideas, Snout, your attempt at degrading this
newsgroup and its inhabitants are moot.
You only appear as common trash, masquerading as common sense.
S.
JoAnn Wortz
that I should stop posting, or is there some other reason I seem to be the
target of the flamers? I love this NG, and don't want to stop posting,
but.....
I know I can be sarcastic at times, and sometimes my 'humor' gets lost in
the translation.
Then again, maybe Snout just likes to act like his/her opinions are the
final word on intelligence, so he/she tries to destroy a really great group.
At least when I put my opinions out there, I sign my name to them. <G>
Ken and Sam <ka...@internetcds.com> wrote in message
news:389BC853...@internetcds.com...
Pat L
"L" some people still don't get it.
We all have our opinions of Passions and the characters and I think that we
should be able to post what we feel is wrong/right about the show....what we
think of the storylines...if we think Ethan is Sam's son, or Chad isn't/is Eve's
son...without being flamed or called names.
If I disagree with a poster's opinion, I will often post my own opinion in
reply, but I don't call the original poster names....and I have been called
names a few times. Too bad people don't think before they type......would they
like to be called MORON or IDIOT, because of an opinion? I don't think
so......so don't call others those names. There is such a thing as
Netiquette......too bad a lot of people don't use it.
Randy
So the posters in the newsgroup don't post what you think they should. Get
over it.
You did not have to pick on some individuals here to get your point across.
To me it sounded like you were blowing steam out *your* ass too, and you did
a good job doing so.
"You *do* realize that there' s no such place as Harmony, correct? The
next time you make one of these complaints, take a minute to think about
what you are writing."
What? It's not a real place? Oh my gosh! I didn't know that! I thought
these characters are based on real people and situations in a town called
Harmony.
"Come to think of it, I don't think you care how the show turns out. You
just like to hear yourself bitch"
Yes that's right, we pretend to like the show only to bitch about it. I
don't think so, that would be a waste of time. People can post about what
annoys them, some will agree, others will disagree.
"Writers, like all of us, have a limited amount of time. Research is a
necessary thing only if the "error" a lack of research produces isn't
glaring and offensive. Even if they knew who invented the paperclip, there
could be legal or financial issues preventing them from using the name."
Then why mention it? We didn't need to know how Chuck obtained his money
exactly...that was like showing us the morning bowel movements like you
mentioned. I did not start the thread about paperclips because I thought
'hey what a great opportunity to put down the show I watch everyday!'. I
wanted to know (so did my friend) if the name given was in fact true. I
even mentioned I'd accept that it was true, but from what I found, it was
not. If it was true, I would have been impressed. Not
being able to prove it spelled the end of the world for me, whatever.
"The fact that you people care - now that's truly pathetic. If you're going
to worry about details, maybe you should use that energy for something more
useful. If you're going to watch a soap, just shut up and enjoy it. This
group contains some of the stupidest things I've read in some time. You guys
are certainly helping soap fans to live up to the stereotype."
I agree it does contain some of the stupidest things, including posts from
myself. But there are many serious opinions in here too that you didn't
mention. Perhaps you could use some of your energy and post something you
like, I'm sure not everyone here is a stupid yahoo and you'll get some
serious responses.
I still can't get over that Harmony is not a real place...
JoAnn Wortz
wouldn't) I would have continued in my usual manner. I appreciate the kind
words, but posted that question (should I stop posting) mostly more the
lurkers who may be a little intimidated to post their first note. Sure,
some of us might disagree with you, and some people might even flame you,
but the majority of the people in this group are decent, kind, fun loving
people who want everyone to enjoy Passions, and to feel free to post
whatever they might think or feel about the show. As for comments about
specific people, generally, the only ones who get ragged on are a couple
actresses. For the most part, we don't flame each other. Come to think of
it, in the last two cases of serious flaming, I was the flame-ee, and I can
take it, so don't worry about my feelings. I come with the thickest skin
you can imagine. *smile*
And so, my prospective friends, if you have been lurking in this group,
building up your courage to take the plunge, come on in, the water's
fine---a little warm at times, but very refreshing.
Now, back to the good stuff-----Passions and it's neverending ridiculous
situations!!!!!
Pat L <pa...@comnet.ca> wrote in message news:389C8B78...@comnet.ca...
JoAnn Wortz
have sworn I met Sheridan in Paris just last summer, and she said she was
from Harmony. It must have been my imagination. I mean, we were all
standing around the Princess Di memorial, and she certainly said her name
was Sheridan Crane, but......
What astounds me is that for someone who apparantly hates this newsgroup so
much, Snout sure spends a lot of time reading our posts-----how else could
he/she know so many details about what we have said over such a long period
of time. Hmmmmmmm I guess we aren't the only ones who wast our time in
here.
Randy <umgr...@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote in message
news:87i8c0$amq$1...@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca...
> "So the show doesn't do what you think it should. Get over it"
>
> So the posters in the newsgroup don't post what you think they should.
Get
> over it.
>
> You did not have to pick on some individuals here to get your point
across.
> To me it sounded like you were blowing steam out *your* ass too, and you
did
> a good job doing so.
>
> "You *do* realize that there' s no such place as Harmony, correct? The
> next time you make one of these complaints, take a minute to think about
> what you are writing."
>
> What? It's not a real place? Oh my gosh! I didn't know that! I thought
> these characters are based on real people and situations in a town called
> Harmony.
>
> "Come to think of it, I don't think you care how the show turns out. You
> just like to hear yourself bitch"
>
> Yes that's right, we pretend to like the show only to bitch about it. I
> don't think so, that would be a waste of time. People can post about what
> annoys them, some will agree, others will disagree.
>
> "Writers, like all of us, have a limited amount of time. Research is a
> necessary thing only if the "error" a lack of research produces isn't
> glaring and offensive. Even if they knew who invented the paperclip, there
> could be legal or financial issues preventing them from using the name."
>
> Then why mention it? We didn't need to know how Chuck obtained his money
> exactly...that was like showing us the morning bowel movements like you
> mentioned. I did not start the thread about paperclips because I thought
> 'hey what a great opportunity to put down the show I watch everyday!'. I
> wanted to know (so did my friend) if the name given was in fact true. I
> even mentioned I'd accept that it was true, but from what I found, it was
> not. If it was true, I would have been impressed. Not
> being able to prove it spelled the end of the world for me, whatever.
>
> "The fact that you people care - now that's truly pathetic. If you're
going
> to worry about details, maybe you should use that energy for something
more
> useful. If you're going to watch a soap, just shut up and enjoy it. This
> group contains some of the stupidest things I've read in some time. You
guys
> are certainly helping soap fans to live up to the stereotype."
>
PButler111
>Date: 2/5/2000 2:43 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <389C8B78...@comnet.ca>
>
>I think all humour gets lost in translation...even when you put in a "G" or a
>"L" some people still don't get it.
>
>We all have our opinions of Passions and the characters and I think that we
>should be able to post what we feel is wrong/right about the show....what we
>think of the storylines...if we think Ethan is Sam's son, or Chad isn't/is
>Eve's
>son...without being flamed or called names.
>
What the bloody fuck is this doing on alt.writing????????
PButler111
>I'm truly devastated!!! Are you sure Harmony isn't a real place? I could
>have sworn I met Sheridan in Paris just last summer, and she said she was
>from Harmony. It must have been my imagination. I mean, we were all
>standing around the Princess Di memorial, and she certainly said her name
>was Sheridan Crane, but......
>
>What astounds me is that for someone who apparantly hates this newsgroup so
>much, Snout sure spends a lot of time reading our posts-----how else could
>he/she know so many details about what we have said over such a long period
>of time. Hmmmmmmm I guess we aren't the only ones who wast our time in
>here.
STOP CROSS-POSTING THIS SOAP OPERA BULLSHIT TO ALT.WRITING!
DanaMB
> This is an open question to everyone-----do my posts annoy people so much
> that I should stop posting, or is there some other reason I seem to be the
> target of the flamers? I love this NG, and don't want to stop posting,
> but.....
>
> I know I can be sarcastic at times, and sometimes my 'humor' gets lost in
> the translation.
>
> Then again, maybe Snout just likes to act like his/her opinions are the
> final word on intelligence, so he/she tries to destroy a really great group.
> At least when I put my opinions out there, I sign my name to them. <G>
I enjoy your posts.
Dana
Member of Passions anonymous since 1999
Starrfish
On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:35:39 -0500, DanaMB <dana...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>JoAnn Wortz wrote:
>
>> This is an open question to everyone-----do my posts annoy people so much
>> that I should stop posting, or is there some other reason I seem to be the
>> target of the flamers? I love this NG, and don't want to stop posting,
>> but.....
Fuck the flamers. I LOVE your posts JoAnn. I been lurking here for a
long long time, and I think those flamers suck. I've had about enough
of them. If they pick on you again, I think I've had enough of
sitting back and not writing anything in your defense, i think I will
say my peace this time. I will not sit back and let this newsgroup go
to hell in a handlebasket. It's about time peeple spoke up and talked
about what's going on in this newsgroup. It is getting more like
flaming.passions and not much at all like tv.passions, which is the
NAME of the newsgroup, if you look at the top of my headers you can
see its true.
>>
>> I know I can be sarcastic at times, and sometimes my 'humor' gets lost in
>> the translation.
I think they twist your humour and turn it into something you never
intended. They seem to flame just for the fun of flaming. They are
doing nothing productive in this group accept causing more flaming and
more argument. They are causing my passion to wilt every time I have
to read they're verbal abuse. And also JoAnn, they wouldn't know
humor if it was announced on the six oclock news, with big pictures of
what it looked like and a big map with a cross on where they could
find it.
>>
>> Then again, maybe Snout just likes to act like his/her opinions are the
>> final word on intelligence, so he/she tries to destroy a really great group.
>> At least when I put my opinions out there, I sign my name to them. <G>
Take no notice JoAnn. You're posts are a valuable contribution and i
think snout is jealous. You keep on trucking. Come on, everyone!
Let's get this newsgroup back to the fine thing it was before.
>
>I enjoy your posts.
>Dana
I love you and your posts Dana.
>
>Member of Passions anonymous since 1999
Fancy thirteenth stepping me? :)
Best love and hugs as always,
Peter.
Malcolm McLean
--
To write simply is as difficult as to be good.
-Somerset Maugham-
Starrfish wrote in message <38a194c6...@news.freeserve.net>...
>
>
>On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:35:39 -0500, DanaMB <dana...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>JoAnn Wortz wrote:
>>
>>> This is an open question to everyone-----do my posts annoy people so
much
>>> that I should stop posting, or is there some other reason I seem to be
the
>>> target of the flamers? I love this NG, and don't want to stop posting,
>>> but.....
>
>Fuck the flamers. I LOVE your posts JoAnn. I been lurking here for a
>long long time, and I think those flamers suck. I've had about enough
>of them. If they pick on you again, I think I've had enough of
>sitting back and not writing anything in your defense, i think I will
>say my peace this time. I will not sit back and let this newsgroup go
>to hell in a handlebasket. It's about time peeple spoke up and talked
>about what's going on in this newsgroup. It is getting more like
>flaming.passions and not much at all like tv.passions, which is the
>NAME of the newsgroup, if you look at the top of my headers you can
>see its true.
>
>
>>>
>>> I know I can be sarcastic at times, and sometimes my 'humor' gets lost
in
>>> the translation.
>
>I think they twist your humour and turn it into something you never
>intended. They seem to flame just for the fun of flaming. They are
>doing nothing productive in this group accept causing more flaming and
>more argument. They are causing my passion to wilt every time I have
>to read they're verbal abuse. And also JoAnn, they wouldn't know
>humor if it was announced on the six oclock news, with big pictures of
>what it looked like and a big map with a cross on where they could
>find it.
>
>
>>>
>>> Then again, maybe Snout just likes to act like his/her opinions are the
>>> final word on intelligence, so he/she tries to destroy a really great
group.
>>> At least when I put my opinions out there, I sign my name to them. <G>
>
>Take no notice JoAnn. You're posts are a valuable contribution and i
>think snout is jealous. You keep on trucking. Come on, everyone!
>Let's get this newsgroup back to the fine thing it was before.
>
>
>>
>>I enjoy your posts.
>>Dana
>
>I love you and your posts Dana.
>
>
>>
>>Member of Passions anonymous since 1999
>
>Fancy thirteenth stepping me? :)
>
>
>Best love and hugs as always,
>Peter.
>
Jesus, Ian, I haven't giggled so much since that 'wolfklan' thing.
What do you do, drag these people in here to feed you straight lines?
Malcolm
Starrfish
<mmac...@sprint.ca> wrote:
>Jesus, Ian, I haven't giggled so much since that 'wolfklan' thing.
>What do you do, drag these people in here to feed you straight lines?
>
>Malcolm
>
Nah. Some kind soul throws 'em in for me (or whoever else can't
resist a nibble at the time).
Prince Richard Kaminski
Malcolm McLean wrote:
> >
> Jesus, Ian, I haven't giggled so much since that 'wolfklan' thing.
> What do you do, drag these people in here to feed you straight lines?
Jeez, get a room will ya!
Alan Hope
PButler111 <pbutl...@aol.comnexxt> wrote in article
<20000206085849...@ng-bk1.aol.com>...
> STOP CROSS-POSTING THIS SOAP OPERA BULLSHIT TO ALT.WRITING!
What she said. We have our own brand of bullshit, and the two
shouldn't be allowed to mix.
It's what got me cashiered out of the EastEnders ng. That and the
Wendy Richard pictures.
AH
Daniel Rogge
Randy wrote:
> "So the show doesn't do what you think it should. Get over it"
>
> So the posters in the newsgroup don't post what you think they should. Get
> over it.
>
> You did not have to pick on some individuals here to get your point across.
> To me it sounded like you were blowing steam out *your* ass too, and you did
> a good job doing so.
>
> "You *do* realize that there' s no such place as Harmony, correct? The
> next time you make one of these complaints, take a minute to think about
> what you are writing."
>
> What? It's not a real place? Oh my gosh! I didn't know that! I thought
> these characters are based on real people and situations in a town called
> Harmony.
>
> "Come to think of it, I don't think you care how the show turns out. You
> just like to hear yourself bitch"
>
> Yes that's right, we pretend to like the show only to bitch about it. I
> don't think so, that would be a waste of time. People can post about what
> annoys them, some will agree, others will disagree.
>
> "Writers, like all of us, have a limited amount of time. Research is a
> necessary thing only if the "error" a lack of research produces isn't
> glaring and offensive. Even if they knew who invented the paperclip, there
> could be legal or financial issues preventing them from using the name."
>
> Then why mention it? We didn't need to know how Chuck obtained his money
> exactly...that was like showing us the morning bowel movements like you
> mentioned. I did not start the thread about paperclips because I thought
> 'hey what a great opportunity to put down the show I watch everyday!'. I
> wanted to know (so did my friend) if the name given was in fact true. I
> even mentioned I'd accept that it was true, but from what I found, it was
> not. If it was true, I would have been impressed. Not
> being able to prove it spelled the end of the world for me, whatever.
>
> "The fact that you people care - now that's truly pathetic. If you're going
> to worry about details, maybe you should use that energy for something more
> useful. If you're going to watch a soap, just shut up and enjoy it. This
> group contains some of the stupidest things I've read in some time. You guys
> are certainly helping soap fans to live up to the stereotype."
>