JOAN OF ARCADIA reminder***
Maria T3
Hope everyone gets a chance to see this wonderful show. It's so spiritual.
~ Maria ~
~ It's hard
to hear pride. Caring is real faint----like a heartbeat. And pure
love----why, some days it's so quiet, you don't even know it's there.
~~Erma Bombeck
Zen
>Tonight at 8:00.
>
>Hope everyone gets a chance to see this wonderful show. It's so spiritual.
Which network?? I'll watch!
Maria T3
CBS
EvieC123
I'm going to see that one through to the end (probably this is the final
season). I don't want to record because I'm busy watching "Ellen" on tape in
between. :)
*~Evie~*
Zen
>>Which network?? I'll watch!
>
>CBS
Thank you, Maria :-)
Hope our local Liberal Convention coverage isn't going to preempt it
:-/
DramaMama
Marla
>between. :)
I am doing this also - as I am watching The Client on FX :)
<font color=PURPLE>~*~*~*~Mar :)
<font color=PURPLE><b>They always say time changes things,
but you actually have to change them yourself.</b>
-- Andy Warhol, The Philosophy of Andy Warhol
Katie
<b><font color=#FF0000>~*~Katie~*~</font color>
<font color=#0000FF>I don't know the key to success, but
the key to failure is trying to please everybody.
~~ Bill Cosby
Aplejack
father's job frequently parallels what Joan is discovering.
AJ
JOJO
that was a good movie as well :)
Mdi
" Let us be grateful to people who make us happy; they are the charming
gardeners who make our souls blossom."
Marcel Proust
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Zen
This show has more depth than most movies. Love it.
Reruns76
great show... Love it so much.
Judy
Judy...
It used to be only death and taxes were inevitable. Now, of course, there's
shipping and handling, too.
EvieC123
but could someone tell me why Joan had to stop her friend from displaying the
art and ultimately destroy it? Did God tell her to do just that without
explaining why in the very beginning of the show and then the whole plot was to
demonstrate what faith is? Or did God explain it was her job to stop the kid
from dropping out of school? (Remind me not to miss the first few minutes
again, or did I doze off or something?!)
*~Evie~*
Maria T3
>explaining why in the very beginning of the show and then the whole plot was
>to
>demonstrate what faith is?
God never explains. It's her job to figure it out. She couldn't at first.
Couldn't even figure out how to get the piece removed. God told her she lacked
imagination. haha
Then when she realized why the kid shouldn't have the worked sold. It finally
made sense. She panicked and destroyed the art.
Message of the show...Is it ok to do something wrong in order to make something
right?
Same thing with the man killing the intruder. Is it ok?
Yes...you can't EVER miss the beginning of the show. :)
Dan
Tamblyn girl, whatever her name is.
Maria T3
>Tamblyn girl, whatever her name is.
I think she is the most adorable girl! She's perfect for the role.
Dan
Maybe I'll give it another try next week. She just came across as a little
teen angst princess, always rolling her eyes and flipping her hair. "Tsk, oh
God showed up again, tsk, oh why me, roll eyes, tsk, oh who do I have to save
today, tsk, oh poor me, tsk." At least the teen angst princesses on the OC are
hot:)
EvieC123
Thanks, Maria. :)
I think Amber Tamblyn is one talented young actress. And John Ritter's boy
(Jason?) is doing a great job too.
*~Evie~*
Susan
Our cat Reggie is named after Susan Sarandon's character. <g>
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Phebes </font> <font color="#0000FF">
Things are going to get a lot worse
before they get worse. ~ Lily Tomlin </font>
Marla
Every single day, Phebes, you make me like ya more and more <g>
Zen
>> but I just didn't like that
>>Tamblyn girl, whatever her name is.
>
>I think she is the most adorable girl! She's perfect for the role.
It was great to see Joe Mantegna and Mary Steenburgen with such good
roles. Paul Sand is always fun to watch. Hope he has a recurring role
on the show.
Zen
Gotta check that show out too.
Zen
Thanks again, Maria for pointing us to this fine show. Looking very
forward to seeing the next episode.
Susan
:-)
Aplejack
>roles.
I agree! In many shows with teenaged central figures, the parent characters
are not as fully developed as these two. Or they are portrayed as idiots.
Joan's parents are intelligent caring people, with lives apart from their
children's.
AJ
Sea si
eyes and flipping her hair. >>
I never liked her character when she was on General Hospital. This is why I'm
having a problem watching the show. But she is a very talented actress, imo.
Lupe
~Laughter can be more satisfying than honor; more precious than money;
more heart-cleansing than prayer~
Dan
having a problem watching the show. But she is a very talented actress, imo.
Yes, I only saw about half of the first episode and I just thought she was just
playing it all wrong. God is taking human form and talking to her. The
biggest miracle in 2000 years and she rolls her eyes and acts all put out. I
had to change the channel.
Aplejack
>just
>playing it all wrong. God is taking human form and talking to her. The
>biggest miracle in 2000 years and she rolls her eyes and acts all put out. I
>had to change the channel.
>
Dan, you should give the show another chance. The first episode was more to
introduce the family and environment. Following episodes have been very well
done. In the first episode(s) Joan was not really sure whether to completely
accept the fact that it is indeed God speaking to her.
One of the things I like is the fact that Joan doesn't tell anyone she is being
talked to by God. It makes it seem possible that there are others in the same
situation who are also not talking about it. I wonder if a show in the future
will have her come in contact with a person who claims to be speaking with God.
Will it be a person who is truly being addressed as Joan is, or will it be
someone who is mentally ill and imagining it? I bet that if the situation does
play out, the question will never be answered.
AJ
Zen
All I can say is that this show grabbed me right away and that the
entire hour passed by much too quickly... ...rolling eyes, hissy fits
and all.
As I mentioned before, this show has a *lot* of intrinsic depth. It's
the standard by which I'm judging all other
entertainment/enlightenment television at this time.
Maria T3
>someone who is mentally ill and imagining it?
That is why she can't tell anyone. They will think she's crazy. Then will be
watching a totally different show. It's better this way...no interference.
Aplejack
>watching a totally different show. It's better this way...no interference.
I agree.
AJ
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>>someone who is mentally ill and imagining it?
>
>That is why she can't tell anyone. They will think she's crazy. Then will be
>watching a totally different show. It's better this way...no interference.
It would be like that movie Beautiful Mind. He's brilliant but nuts
Sin
Tim
Nahh... you aren't think; well, at least I can't say that you are from
just this one single conversation. At least, you are not Jessica
Simpson / Anna Nicole "thick". ;)
SPOILER
Joan was instructed that the sculpture was not to be in the show. The
reason was not given at any time, not by God at least. However it
becomes evident that if/when the sculpture was in the show, it was
going to be purchased for $500, making the artist (her friend Adam)
believe that school was effectively pointless. He would eventually
decide to drop out.
Joan was fixated on the "right" and "wrong" of the request because she
was looking at the request as capriciously cruel and personally
unfair. She had one serious idea, and that was merely to destroy the
sculpture. She toyed with the idea of stealing it, but that was at
most a half-hearted attempt. If she wasn't so wrapped up in the
"looking at the trees" of the situation, then she'd have probably been
able to see the forest.
Maybe Adam's sculpture will fall during the show and kill someone, and
Adam, wracked with guilt, would kill himself. Maybe someone Adam
admired would harshly review the sculpture as a work by a talentless,
egotistical hack and Adam would become violent. Maybe another piece
of art had to be the focus of the show so Adam's art would have time
to evolve and his art would have time to be more emotionally honed.
Joan is a good girl, but she often only see's things as they revolve
around her.
When Adam realizes that he has several pieces at home then he sees
only the dollar signs in the immediate future and tells the principal
that he plans to drop out; and the gravity and immediacy of the
problem is compounded when the pin-head of a principal declares "well
I guess this is why they say you can't win them all".
God never asked her to destroy it, nor to steal it, nor to lie to Adam
about buying it. Unfortunately those were pretty much all she
considered. She's not wise (yet), and she had a crisis of faith. Her
approach, although commendable in spirit lacked the higher moral
credibility.
Eventually, she will see that all requests from God are for the
general good. If God explained WHY the sculpture was to be kept out
of the art show, then would she have handled the situation
differently? That's the point. She has to assume that God's reasons
are going to be "good" and just take His word.
Can I give a better way to have handled the situation? Not really.
Ask the principal if the school's insurance would cover the theft of
such a piece, or would cover if such a piece fell on someone. Ask the
mom if the selling of such pieces would be in violation of county and
school regulations because that would make the students professionals,
and the school would become a commercial enterprise (even if they
realize no profit on the sales).
See if the school would limit the exhibit to certain types, like
paintings, or only include non-Adam-like sculptures (like only
realism, cubist, still-life, religious...) for this semster's show,
and have stuff that was excluded from this show included in the next
show.
I do believe that the writers let her "fail" because she didn't ask
for the right reason. And that by her selected course of action, she
effected the same result. And there is no way Adam, being as bright
as he is, won't realize that she did this exclusively for his welfare,
as she saw it (or because he thinks she likes him).