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What codec does 98SE use to rip *.cda audio CDs?

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Jackson

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Nov 30, 2006, 9:30:54 AM11/30/06
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I want to extract a few Track##.cda files from an old CD of Xmas
songs. I fired up my old Cdx program, which I have not used for four
years. I converted the first track okay, but there was a popup (I
forget what it said, but it complained about something). Since the
program was so old I looked for upgrades and found one. I installed
it and now nothing works. Evidently the upgrade messed up some
supporting file because the old program had just successfully ripped
and converted a .cda file.

I then downloaded one Ripper/converter after another until I now have
seven on my desktop, none of which works. Here are some of the error
messages I get when I try to rip and convert .cda to .mp3:
---Open track error.
---The codec to decompress e:\Track01.cda could not be opened.
---Some others can not even find the E:\ drive.
Also, Windows media player can not access .cda on the E:\ drive.

BTW, along with the several free downloads also came +/- 150 tracking
cookies, trojans and other assorted malware. Adaware removed 90% of
the stuff and S&D took care of the rest. Geeeeeez!

WinAmp will play the music flawlessly from the E:\ drive, but it does
not have a ripper/converter. Explorer has no problem accessing the
songs on the E:\drive but of course it can't do anything other than
list the track numbers.

I ran the file repair thing from Windows and it replaced several
missing files but I still can't rip CDs.

Most of the rippers warn about needing aspi files. I went to the
Adaptec web page and installed all the stuff I could for Win98, but
that has not helped.

BTW, the rip/convert programs I have downloaded will easily convert a
.WAV file to .MP3. It's just that none of them seem to be able to get
from .cda to .wav. :>(

Can anybody tell me what codec I need, where I can find it, and where
I should put it on my system? Please...?

The fact that WimAmp can play the music seems to indicate that the
decompression codec is somewhere on my machine.

Thank you so much. Sorry this post is so long. If I knew more about
the subject I would have written a better request.

Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida

user

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Nov 30, 2006, 10:34:05 AM11/30/06
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"Jackson" <jjac...@cox.net> wrote in message news:rbptm256ah79pfrcr...@4ax.com...
http://radified.com/ASPI/forceaspi.htm
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdexos/

Jackson

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Nov 30, 2006, 2:19:50 PM11/30/06
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 02:34:05 +1100, "user" <noemail.com> wrote:

>
>"Jackson" <jjac...@cox.net> wrote in message news:rbptm256ah79pfrcr...@4ax.com...
>> I want to extract a few Track##.cda files from an old CD of Xmas

/.../

>> Jack from Taxacola (formerly Pensacola), Florida
>http://radified.com/ASPI/forceaspi.htm
>http://sourceforge.net/projects/cdexos/
>
>

That work's! Thankyouthankyoythankyou.....

Sjouke Burry

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Nov 30, 2006, 10:34:02 PM11/30/06
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Jackson wrote:
> I want to extract a few Track##.cda files from an old CD of Xmas
> songs. I fired up my old Cdx program, which I have not used for four
> years. I converted the first track okay, but there was a popup (I
> forget what it said, but it complained about something). Since the
Snip...
I just installed a free one, I did not have to
install codecs, if you want to try ,
http://www.audiograbber.com-us.net/
Let us know wat you think. :)

Anton Shepelev

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Jun 1, 2011, 6:56:22 AM6/1/11
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Jackson:

> I want to extract a few Track##.cda files from an
> old CD of Xmas songs.

EAC versions prior to 1.0 work well under Win-
dows98SE, and the presence of an external ASPI
interface in only an option but not a requirement.
EAC is one of the best audio-cd rippers:

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/en/index.php/resources/download/older-versions-for-download/

Anton


MotoFox

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Sep 22, 2011, 2:31:14 AM9/22/11
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Even better yet, you should try
http://www.rarewares.org/files/others/cdfs.zip

Basically this is an alternate CDFS.VXD that shows CD audio tracks as
WAV files.

==============================
Excerpt from the driver's README file:
"Use this alternate CDFS.VXD cd driver on Win9x to show Audio CD's as
WAV files IN THE FILE SYSTEM! This replacement driver shows WAV files
in a variety of qualities. It works on any CD drive that Windows can
support. Then you can use your favorite Wave Editor program to read
directly from the CD.

"Never heard a skip or pop, unlike CDCopy or others...

"Put it in your \Windows\System\IOSubSys directory, and reboot. You can
rename the old CDFS.VXD to CDFS.old for archive purposes."
==============================

Its usage is actually pretty simple and straightforward, so let's see
how complicated and verbose I can make it:

Basically, what he means is you put an audio CD in and apart from the
standard *.CDA files in the root directory, it also represents the
disc's content as a couple directories (called "Stereo" and "Mono"),
wherein two sample depths ("8bit" or "16bit") and three common sample
rates ("11025Hz", "22050Hz" and "44100Hz") are represented as
subdirectories. The WAV files are then found in the sample-rate
subdirectory. So you then just take the WAV files from the particular
directory and copy them to wherever you need, as if you were using any
other CD-ROM disc.

For the most part, only the "Stereo\16bit\44100Hz\" WAVs seem to work
properly for me. All the others sound really "choppy" or distorted (gee,
I wonder why? ;o)

I have been using it myself for several years on FE and SE, even with
Kernelex installed, and have yet to have any real trouble with it, and
it even seems to properly read "copy-restricted" discs including the
Sony rootkit ones (hint: disable Autorun!)

Effectively it has rendered the CD ripper function in Win-LAME (and a
couple others I was using at the time) obsolete for my uses practically
overnight.

Hope this helps.

--
MotoFox
Originator of the word "enubulous"

I just tell everybody to run Linux, myself.

The "users are idiots and are confused by functionality" approach of
Apple is a disease. If you design your OS for idiots, only idiots will
use it. I don't use a Macintosh, because in striving to be so simple,
they simply can't do what I need them to do.

Please, just tell everybody to go to Linux.

98 Guy

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Sep 22, 2011, 8:40:35 AM9/22/11
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MotoFox wrote:

> Even better yet, you should try
> http://www.rarewares.org/files/others/cdfs.zip
>
> Basically this is an alternate CDFS.VXD that shows CD audio tracks as
> WAV files.

What post are you replying to?

MotoFox

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Sep 22, 2011, 11:27:03 PM9/22/11
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The one by "Anton Shepelev" on 06/01/2011 03:56 AM directly above mine.
You'd see it if you were using Eternal-September as your NNTP server.

He was replying to another post, and I include his reply as follows:
===================================
===================================
after which I followed it with mine, in the hope that maybe he's still
monitoring this group. (Better late than never.) I'm not seeing anything
that preceded Anton's post, I assume because E-S probably doesn't have
them on their server any longer.

Besides, this alternate CDFS.VXD has worked very well for me, so despite
that it's been around a LONG time I felt I ought to give it a plug.
Nothing wrong with that. ;o)

98 Guy

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Sep 22, 2011, 6:01:09 PM9/22/11
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MotoFox used improper usenet style by not quoting me:

> > What post are you replying to?
>
> The one by "Anton Shepelev" on 06/01/2011 03:56 AM

Do you think that Anton is going to be reading your message, more than 3
months after his post?

> You'd see it if you were using Eternal-September as your NNTP server.

What would be the point of seeing a post that's more than 3 months old?

Especially if I had read it back when it was fresh?

98 Guy

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Sep 22, 2011, 7:08:39 PM9/22/11
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> You'd see it if you were using Eternal-September as your NNTP server.

And why is Eternal-September allowing you to post with an incorrect
time-stamp?

It shouldn't be accepting your posts.

Fix your computer's clock setting.

MotoFox

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Sep 23, 2011, 9:32:17 AM9/23/11
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You know, if you don't like it nobody says you have to read it! All I
did was respond to a post asking about ripping software and felt like I
should make mention of a tool that does its job well for me and doesn't
bitch about it. Excuse me for being gone for several months and trying
to get caught up; I guess that just doesn't set well with some people.

I mean, are you the new self-appointed "referee" or "moderator" of every
post on Usenet that has to do with Window$ 98 now, what? If there's an
RFC that specifies that, I'd certainly like to see it...

F.Y.I., there's nothing wrong with my computer's clock at all, outside
of the fact that it'll inevitably "run out of time" come 2038. It's a
Linux machine that's set to GMT, just like everything else in the world
is set to.

Steven Saunderson

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Sep 23, 2011, 6:02:05 AM9/23/11
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:32:17 -0700, MotoFox <us...@email.invalid.inv>
wrote:

> F.Y.I., there's nothing wrong with my computer's clock at all, outside
> of the fact that it'll inevitably "run out of time" come 2038. It's a
> Linux machine that's set to GMT, just like everything else in the world
> is set to.

You say your clock is set to GMT (a good idea) but your posts show a
timezone of -0700. Perhaps this is why your posts are apparently future
dated.

Cheers,
--
Steven

MotoFox

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Sep 23, 2011, 9:19:01 PM9/23/11
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I'm in the Pacific time zone and we're on Daylight Time at the moment,
though not for too much longer.
PDT=GMT-7.

It's probably how the DSLAM at my central office (Qwest/Centurytel)
stamps it. If that's not the case, then, something on Bad Homburg's end
of the link must be screwed up.

Steven Saunderson

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Sep 23, 2011, 4:45:23 PM9/23/11
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:19:01 -0700, MotoFox <us...@email.invalid.inv>
wrote:

> I'm in the Pacific time zone and we're on Daylight Time at the moment,
> though not for too much longer.
> PDT=GMT-7.

Fair enough. But if your clock is set to UTC shouldn't your time zone
be the same ?

> It's probably how the DSLAM at my central office (Qwest/Centurytel)
> stamps it. If that's not the case, then, something on Bad Homburg's end
> of the link must be screwed up.

Does a DSLAM modify the contents of TCP packets ? I hope not. Can you
check the headers at your end. I think the problem might be local.

Cheers,
--
Steven

MotoFox

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Sep 24, 2011, 5:32:24 PM9/24/11
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The header of my last post states
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:19:01 -0700
Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:20:22 +0000 (UTC)

Remember, Pacific Daylight Time = GMT-7 hours.

As I write this sentence it's 2124 GMT, and that's what my computer's
clock displays and what the announcement on WWV (15 000 kHz) just said.

Centurytel just finished buying out Qwest several months ago, and as a
result mass-fired a bunch of people ("downsized" in Newspeak) who worked
at the two local central offices. I can only imagine the replacements
they've hired are probably a bunch of fresh-out-of-high-school kids who
don't even know how to plug a telephone set into their home lines, let
alone how to work a 5ESS and the peripheral equipment connected to it.
So I wouldn't be too quick to rule this out as (at least partially) a CO
problem.

MotoFox

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Sep 24, 2011, 5:34:44 PM9/24/11
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Well now, THAT message shows in its header
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:32:24 +0000
Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 21:34:06 +0000 (UTC)

and I haven't changed a thing on my computer. Weird.

98 Guy

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Sep 23, 2011, 8:41:22 PM9/23/11
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MotoFox wrote:

> Well now, THAT message shows in its header
> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:32:24 +0000
> Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 21:34:06 +0000 (UTC)
>
> and I haven't changed a thing on my computer. Weird.

Your last two posts (the one I'm quoting above, and one that you seem to
have posted 2 minutes earlier) are showing up as being posted on Sept 24
at 5:32 and 5:34 pm. That's about 21 hours in the future.

=======
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 21:34:44 +0000
Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 21:36:15 +0000 (UTC)
=======

Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu) time:

Saturday, September 24, 2011 at 00:36:51

The date header of your posts is being generated incorrectly.

MotoFox

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Sep 24, 2011, 10:22:59 PM9/24/11
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test - date check

MotoFox

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Sep 24, 2011, 10:27:07 PM9/24/11
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Yes, I see what you mean, my test post says
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:22:59 +0000
but my computer clock says it's Saturday 2011 September 24 0224GMT (as I
type this.) Odd.

I'll be going to the CO to-morrow afternoon, in fact (my girlfriend
works there and she asked could I come down and have lunch with her ;o)
so I'll grill them about this when I'm there!

Anton Shepelev

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Oct 19, 2011, 10:56:33 AM10/19/11
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Thanks for the reply, MotoFox.

> Even better yet, you should try
> http://www.rarewares.org/files/others/cdfs.zip
>
> Basically this is an alternate CDFS.VXD that shows
> CD audio tracks as WAV files.

Good idea. Might be useful for those who don't need
accurate ripping with error recovery.

> Excerpt from the driver's README file:
> [...]
> "Never heard a skip or pop, unlike CDCopy or oth-
> ers...

I doubt it, unless the replacement drivers perform
interpolation of errors like it is normally done
during Audio CD playback and which is _not_ error
correction but, rather, error hiding.

> For the most part, only the "Stereo\16bit\
> 44100Hz\" WAVs seem to work properly for me. All
> the others sound really "choppy" or distorted
> (gee, I wonder why? ;o)

That's to be expected, because 16/44 is the native
format of Audio CDs, while the others are conver-
tions, using (probably poor) downsampling algo-
rithms. Although proper downmixin of stereo to mono
is very easy to implement and should not produce any
artifacts at all.

> it even seems to properly read "copy-restricted"
> discs including the Sony rootkit ones (hint: dis-
> able Autorun!)

This is interesting and useful. Copyright people
forced the author of Exact Audio Copy to remove a
feature that allowed it to read copy protected CDs.
Fortunately, there's not many of them out there.

Anton
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Anton Shepelev

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Nov 8, 2011, 5:02:10 AM11/8/11
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MotoFox:

> I can play just about all audio CDs using the re-
> placement driver, except for very badly scratched
> or damaged ones (which I doubt even a "proper"
> playback/ripping programme could reliably read
> through.)

It may very well be so. Dedicated ripping tools are
more likely to produce perfect rips, or rips with
fewer errors, but they are not omnipotent eiter.

> But that's also why we have disc resurfacing ma-
> chines. ;o)

Polishing CDs in strinctly radial direction, al-
though makes them somewhat less shiny, does help
with the readability of both audio and data.

Anton
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Anton Shepelev

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Nov 15, 2011, 3:00:38 PM11/15/11
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MotoFox:

> Depends on the type of resurfacer you have, too.
> Those little $20 "Skip-Doctor" things like you'd
> find at the supermarket just don't cut it, I
> think.

It is from you that I first heard about dedicated
resurfacing machines for CDs. I only have a couple
of old Soviet tubes of diamond paste :)

> It's about the size of a bread machine or a small-
> er up-right PC, uses distilled water and can buff
> out almost all but the most severe scratches, mak-
> ing a heavily used discs look almost new.
> [...]
> except mine doesn't have the "Blue Ray feature".

Lucky you. But I don't understand how Blu-Rays dif-
fer from CDs to require different mode of polishing.
Maybe a finer abrasive is required...

Anton
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Anton Shepelev

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Nov 16, 2011, 6:09:59 AM11/16/11
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MotoFox:

> If that "diamond paste" is what I think it is (a
> bottle of slightly-abrasive "cream" of sorts [kind
> of looks like suntan lotion] that you'd apply to
> the surface of the disc and polish out with a
> cloth) that's available here, too, but it's a
> mess.

Yes, it contains fine diamong powder as the abrasive
element, but I don't think that mine, being very
thick and opaque, resembles suntan lotion... No
wonder dedicated machines are easier and quicker to
use, but the paste is very universal, and I use it
on everything from the shiny metal surface of my
grandfather's pocket watch to the plastic screen of
my beloved Siemens C25 cell phone.

Speaking about optical discs, I wonder what causes
their wear in case of ideal care. Can it be that
some slow but inevitable scratching happens inside
the drive, especially at the moments of insersion
and ejecting?

Anton
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