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 More options Sep 23 2005, 7:44 pm
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: "DGVREIMAN" <dgvrei...@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:44:22 -0400
Local: Fri, Sep 23 2005 7:44 pm
Subject: More SteveL Hate America Diatribe
      Doug Says:  In response to SteveL's claim that he "supports
our troops" BWHAHAHAHAHAHA - I thought you might want to see some
more about what this lying cyberharasser and his aliases are
really saying about our war on terror and our troops that are
putting their lives on the line.  Dai Dummy's hero seems to be
something other than what he claims to be on AVV.

      In this one SteveL claims we are fighting a "made up enemy"
and all that are for winning our war on terror are "fascists"
etc...

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      From: SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com&g­t; -
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      Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:23:57 +0000

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      Subject: Re: Lying about Iraq

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On 29 Jan 2005 06:28:42 -0800, "Clay" <clayonl...@lycos.com>
wrote:

This Mark Alexander is a fucking lunatic and a coward based on
what I
read here.

Let's see.


Heck, who needs the truth?

>Other Demos joined this tired anti-American Leftist refrain

<bzzt> the old "only the right-wing and Republicans are
pro-American
and patriots" one party state mantra.

Fucking fascist.

>, doing what
>they do best -- fomenting division in order to undermine support
>for
>anything Republican

As opposed to fomenting division by calling anything Democratic
"anti-American"..

Fucking hypocrite.

>, regardless of the consequences. What consequences?
>Not only are these Demos spreading lies and dividing American
>support
>for critical national-security operations, but their words aid,
>abet,
>and encourage our enemy to continue killing U.S. service
>personnel and
>innocent Iraqis -- and on the eve of the first democratic
>elections in
>Iraq's history. (In fairness to Kennedy, et al., though, America
>will
>hold democratic mid-term elections in 2006.)
>So, just what is the truth about our military operations in and
>around
>Iraq?
>To counter all the Leftist obfuscation about U.S. national
>security
>interests in the Middle East and to explain the necessity of our
>military presence in the region, what follows is a much-needed
>primer
>-- not only on why our Armed Forces are in Iraq (and border
>states),
>but also why they should remain in the region for the
>foreseeable
>future.

Gee can't wait. You watch, WMDs will be *way* down the list
suddenly.

>Western democracies, particularly those beacons of liberty (the
>U.S.
>and our Allies), are at war with Jihadistan, a borderless nation
>of
>Islamic fascists comprising al-Qa'ida and other Islamist
>terrorist
>groups and their malcontent sects.

Numbering a few thousand people at most...... And that 's being
generous. Of course because of the unilateral invasion of Iraq
and our
admirable efforts at winning hearts and minds over there that
figure
probably *has* grown substantially.... Especially when people
resisting the invasion by a foreign power are automatically
labled
"terrorists" in these Orwellian times.

>A borderless nation? The "Islamic
>World" of the Quran recognizes no political borders. Though
>orthodox
>Muslims (those who subscribe to the teachings of the
>"pre-Medina"
>Quran) do not support acts of terrorism or mass murder, very
>large
>sects within the Islamic world subscribe to the "post-Mecca"
>Quran and
>Hadiths (Mohammed's teachings). It is this latter group of
>death-worshipping sects that calls for jihad, or "holy war,"
>against
>all "the enemies of God." They thus constitute an enemy without
>borders
>-- a nation of "holy" warriors called Jihadistan.

A made up enemy. The mark of a fascist.

>While the Bush administration is careful not to paint Islam with
>a
>broad brush, the correct way to understand this enemy, in order
>to
>engage and destroy it, is to cast off the historic
>symmetric-warfare
>model; this enemy is simply not a political entity. As President
>George
>Bush correctly noted in October of 2001, "Our war on terror
>begins with
>al-Qa'ida, but it does not end there. It will not end until
>every
>terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and
>defeated.
>... This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago,
>with a
>decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion."
>Jihadi terrorism (type asymmetric warfare) had its origins with
>the
>People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) almost 40
>years
>ago. There, Islamists inflicted terror first against Israel, and
>then,
>working westward, against democratic targets in Europe. Yet
>despite
>subsequent attacks on U.S. personnel in that region -- the
>bombing of
>the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983, for example -- it was
>not until
>1993 that our homeland became a frontline in the war with
>Jihadistan.
>On 26 February, 1993, Pakistani native Ramzi Ahmed Yousef and
>his
>terrorist brethren (who had entered the United States on Iraqi
>passports under the control of Iraqi intelligence) bombed the
>north
>tower of the World Trade Center in an effort to topple that
>tower into
>the south tower and inflict mass civilian casualties.
>Fortunately, due
>to Ramzi's lack of engineering knowledge, his crude truck-bomb
>didn't
>topple the building, though it created a six-story crater in the
>parking garage.
>Although Ramzi escaped, several other terrorists were captured
>and
>tried. Ramzi himself was finally arrested in 1995, while
>formulating
>plans to bomb a number of U.S. international flights
>simultaneously.
>After 1995, al-Qa'ida Jihadis focused on American targets
>abroad -- the
>Khobar Towers in 1996, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in
>1998,
>and the U.S.S. Cole in 2000 -- all without reprisal from the
>Clinton
>administration.
>In 2001, Ramzi's uncle, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (the number-three
>thug
>in the al-Qa'ida organization), and Ramzi's mentor, Jihadi sheik
>Osama
>bin Laden himself, revised Ramzi's plan to use civilian aircraft
>for
>terrorist ends -- using them as bombs rather than bombing them.
>On 11
>September of that year, one of al-Qa'ida's U.S. terrorist cells
>finished the business that Ramzi started almost a decade
>earlier, with
>devastating consequences.
>On that Tuesday morning, the American people were awakened to an
>imminent threat to our homeland, and before noon that day, our
>common
>sense of invincibility had all but vanished. Indeed, given the
>nature,
>planning and sophistication of the attack, a larger question
>loomed in
>the minds of all rational people: What moral obstacles would
>prevent
>surrogate terrorists from using WMD provided by rogue nation
>states
>under tyrants like Saddam Hussein? What would prevent al-Qa'ida
>from
>detonating a fissionable weapon in a U.S. urban center?

Fear Fear Fear.

But anyway, what will prevent them now? Nothing. Except we've
stirred
up the hornet's nest even more.

>That question would have to be answered by President George W.
>Bush,
>whose administration had been operational for only eight months
>prior
>to the 9/11 attack -- a period preceded by eight long years of
>Clinton
>administration inaction and appeasement of terrorists, as
>repeatedly
>noted in this column during those years.
>President Bush determined, correctly, that the war being waged
>on the
>U.S. and its Allies could not be resolved diplomatically, nor
>could it
>be won defensively. Al-Qa'ida and other elements of Jihadistan,
>he
>surmised, could be defeated only by way of pre-emptive strikes,
>in
>keeping with the dictum of military strategist Carl von
>Clausewitz:
>"The best form of defense is attack."
>In 2001, The Patriot's military and intelligence analysts were
>out
>front in our characterization of the war with Jihadistan and our
>support for the Bush strategic doctrine of preemption -- taking
>the
>battle to the enemy.
>To that end Sen. Edward Kennedy, never one to miss an
>opportunity to
>use the deaths of American military personnel as political
>fodder,
>unwittingly endorsed the Bush Doctrine this week: "The war has
>made
>Iraq a breeding ground for terrorism...."
>Precisely.
>The principal objective of President Bush's doctrine of
>pre-emption --
>Operation Enduring Freedom (or "Operation Let's Roll," as it's
>known
>around our shop) -- is to keep the front lines of our war with
>Jihadistan on their turf, rather than our own.

It wasn't about UN resolutions or Saddam's WMDs?

Ok let's remember that.

So it's *our* war, not the UN's. And it's for *our* national
security.

> Our Armed Forces are the
>most capable, best-trained and best-equipped in history, and
>they've
>issued a standing invitation to Jihadis worldwide to engage them
>in
>Iraq, where tens of thousands of these vermin have met their
>fate.

"Vermin". Say that's what the nazi propaganda movies called the
Jews.
There's a lot of non-human imagery from Mark Alexander and his
ilk,
and they don't just stop at Arabs. They're starting to use it
with
non-republicans as well.

>Why Iraq? In 1991, Saddam Hussein signed a binding agreement of
>surrender as a precondition to the cessation of Gulf War
>hostilities --
>the subsequent violation of which was, in effect, grounds to
>resume the
>military campaign against Iraq. After a jaw-slackening 17th UN
>resolution to disarm was flouted by Saddam

Gee, how many have Israel breached? Besides, didn't you just say
this
was a US operation for US national security? Ah well just can't
avoid
trying to cloak yourself in the legitimacy the UN brings even if
you
have to steal it in the night by lying about UN authorization,
and
even as you bizarrely also claim the UN *has no* legitimacy
anyway.

>, the Bush administration
>determined that Iraq would be a suitable, logical and defensible
>front
>line with Jihadistan.

Fuck the Iraqi people and their *sovereignty*. *We* want to fight
a
war here. So tough.

>Let's be clear: American forces are NOT, first and foremost,
>"fighting
>for Iraq's freedom." They are fighting for U.S.
>national-security
>interests and those of the free world, which was, and to a
>lesser
>degree (thanks to our considerable military achievements),
>remains, in
>great peril. Ultimately, these two objectives are inextricably
>bound.

Yep he's a coward. The most ludicrously overarmed nation in the
world's "national security" is at risk by Saddam.

Fucking liar.

>Our ultimate objective in Iraq is to establish a forward
>deployed
>presence in the Middle East -- military personnel, but primarily
>equipment -- now that the Saudis have pulled our lease.

So we just invade because it's in our interests to invade. Just
like
Adolf Hitler. The gall of this guy.

> Our analysts
>estimate that once the new Iraqi government is seated, the U.S.
>will be
>invited to establish permanent military installations in
>southern Iraq.

"Estimate?" HAHAHAHA!!! Trust me. The "new Iraqi government"
won't be
permitted to say no!!

<snip>

Enough. This guy is why the world is really starting to hate the
USA.

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