VIETNAM SMEAR GANG REVEALED
DGVREIMAN
Š Copyright 2005 by DGVReiman, all rights reserved.
Nigel Brooks seems to be at it again. I have already proved that
Nigel Brooks hid and omitted the part of the Butter Bar post
where I told the person I was talking with not less than two
times that I was a NCO in Vietnam before I made that Butter Bar
quip, which proves Nigel tried to hide the true context of the
statement and Nigel falsely claimed that I was referring to a 2nd
Lt instead of a Platoon Leader when I said "Butter Bar."
Nigel also said that he would retract when any other Vet came
along and said they too referred to Platoon Leaders (regardless
of rank) as a Butter Bar. So along came Eris, who made that
precise same reference, and Nigel stammered and howled and barked
that "Eris" was really me using an alias. Then along came Smitty,
who also said he not only heard "BB" or "Butter Bar" used to mean
a "Platoon Leader (regardless of rank) but he himself had also
used that term in Can Tho.
Since then I have found not less than twelve other vets that
remember using the terms "BB" or Butter Bar" as a reference to
their Platoon Leader even if that Platoon Leader was an NCO or
other than a 2nd Lt.
So Nigel's claim that when I said "Butter Bar" I was "inferring"
that I returned as a 2nd Lt (without of course ever saying "2nd
Lt) has been irrefutably proved false, a lie, misleading, a
distortion, libelous and meant to portray me and my military
service in a defamatory light.
Or, in other terms, Nigel Brooks and his gang et al have clearly
launched a smear campaign against me, and they have been caught
red-handed doing so. Nigel also knows he can never admit he lied
as he is a named defendant in a possible civil lawsuit for libel,
and he might even qualify as a cyberstalker. So regardless of how
many flagrant lies I have caught Nigel and gang spewing, they
always shamelessly ignore the truth and return to their
defamation and lies.
Ignoring proof positive they were wrong can only mean they are
deliberately attacking me and smearing me with lies and
cyberstalking.
Take the latest lie from Nigel Brooks in respect to the now
infamous "1803 Body Count" that he and his gang members have
falsely attributed to me. In this one instance, I have never seen
so many outrageous and clearly lying distortions over any issue
since I have been posting on USENET. Nigel Brooks is a smear
merchant, and his propensity to conjure up a lie, distort it and
then use his own distortions to defame and incite others to
defame and threaten is beyond the pale even for someone that
tried to pretend he is a Federal Agent and claimed he won not
less than three Victoria Cross medals during the Vietnam war.
So what is wrong with these "vets?" Got me - it seems they like
to smear people that disagree with their ideologies on Vietnam.
Nigel smeared a Silver Star winner by the name of Abrahams, and
said he was proud of that obvious smear job. Di Dummy said that
he did nothing extraordinary during his tour of duty in Vietnam,
but then later said he won not less than four medals for valor
during "nothing extraordinary" that tour - yet he refuses to
exchange military documents with me in an impartial arena? Nigel's
claim to fame is that he was a two-year draftee in the US Army
mostly working in the PX or supply - yet Nigel claims his
two-year draftee experience qualifies him as an "expert" on what
all soldiers did in Vietnam and otherwise in the US Military
regardless of their jobs or MOS's (Military Occupational
Specialities). Nigel and some of his gang members also claim they
can "read minds" or have "mysterious devices that can read
minds." Although they have never said where they obtained such
fantastic and mystical powers - (I suspect from voodoo, seances,
killing or torturing small animals) they are quick to claim they
"know via their mind reading metrologies" whether anyone that
makes any statement about Vietnam or any military service is
telling the truth or not.
Consider their special expertise on the US Army:
Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
Two year-draftee PX/Supply Commando. (Note based upon what Nigel
has said (and that is all I have to go by) Nigel was never in a
combat role nor assigned to an Infantry Division nor to any other
combat arms). I suspect Nigel also has a Vietnamese wife and is
connected to Doug Reese's "Tours back to Vietnam" operations. I
could be wrong about that but Nigel, as ususal won't address
those issues.
Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
Claims he was an 0-3 Mike Force Commander in a quiet area in
Vietnam and never did anything special nor saw any real action.
If we were talking about the experiences of a MACV advisor
(probably in logistics) or the experiences of a Mike Force
member, if Di Dummy is telling the truth about his service and he
is refusing to produce any documents confirming his claims which
all other vets I have ever met have been eager to do, then the
input of Di Dummy might be germane to this issue - but of course
it is not. He simply lies too much to be believed, and he admits
he was not in an Infantry Division in Vietnam. Serving time in a
backwater village in Vietnam is not a qualifier for knowledge
about how Infantry divisions operated in Vietnam - and the "After
Action" reports are a standing joke and have been discredited to
a degree the general consensus is they are only about 25%
accurate. (Note the old adage "Combat creates Confusion" prevails
in all After Action Reports). Also note that it only takes two
years from the date of commission as a 2nd Lt to make 0-3. TWO
WHOLE YEARS! Hardly enough time to be an expert on the Infantry.
(Of course I don't know what Di Dummy did prior to his OCS
graduation, and he is not talking nor willing to provide any
documents in that respect either.)
Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
Was not even in the US Army in Vietnam. Was an Air Force guard
dog perimeter guard in Tan Son Nuht Air Base in Saigon. What does
Penley know about the US Army Infantry in Korea or Vietnam?
Duh -Absolutely nothing. (Penley also claims he has had mental
problems in the past and is presently under psychological care -
in my opinion he needs it).
Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
Another Air Force Service Member - and so full of shit he glows
brown. Also knows nothing about the US Army not to mention the US
Army Infantry.
Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
Said he was a combat cook? He might have been. I have known many
a Cook that ended up on guard or patrol with me.
Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
Said the VA said he was insane.
Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
None of these gang members are even Vets - (one might have been
in the Navy) not only are they so uninformed they squeak, they
are complete idiots when it comes to the real functions of the US
Army.
I, on the other hand spent many years in the US Army and I was
assigned to four different Infantry and Armored Units in total,
and one ordinance unit. I achieved the rank of SFC E-7 in just
over six years of total service - which was no small feat. My
last assignment was Station Commander of an US Army Recruiting
Station, so I had to know all of the possible jobs in the Army,
what they did, and how each MOS could perform in the various
different branches of the Army. In total, I spent approximately
four years in overseas service. I know the Army, and I know
Infantry. The gang of smear merchants does not. So which of us
are more likely to be able to tell whether a person is lying or
telling the truth about his US Army Infantry service in or out of
Vietnam?
Answer:
None of us. Unless you were in the pocket of a Vet during his
time in the military, you cannot possibly know, understand, nor
prove or disprove his personal experiences or beliefs. Period.
End of story.
I could not tell in a million years if a Vet was telling me the
truth or not about his personal experiences. Sure I can tell the
*difference* between war stories and simple claims of assignments
to units, but I cannot tell if the war stories are true or not,
nor even if his claims of unit assignment are true or not. People's
memories fade. It has been 40 years! I cannot remember every
commander I had, and I was assigned to so many different company
size units for rations and quarters I could not even tell you
with absolutely accuracy which companies I was assigned to for
those rations and quarters! I held at least four different MOS's
in the US Army, and volunteered for and performed many functions
outside of those MOS's.
All these "mind reading" claims by the smear merchants are
precisely what they sound like - Bullshit. This gang attacks any
real vet that does not agree with them or says something bad
about Vietnam. Why? Because at least one of them runs highly
profitable tours to Vietnam so that he and the Commie goons that
are still holding our POW's and MIA's as slaves can make some big
money. And I believe that is what all these smear tactics coming
from the gang of smear merchants on AWV are all about.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Sharky
>Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
>
>Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
>
>Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
>
>Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
>
>Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
>
>Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
>
>Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
DAMN!! I didn't make the list.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
--
Sharky
"I am not a crazy person"
"I have no imaginary friends"
-- Doug Grant (tm)
Kook of the Month, December 1998 Douglas "Doogie" Grant
Looney Maroon Award, September 1999 Douglas "Doogie" Grant
Looney Maroon Award, April 2001 Douglas "Doogie" Grant
Ordie55
Did'nt They Call You Whiney Or Weeny?
DGVREIMAN
© Copyright 2005 by DGVReiman, all rights reserved.
Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
Claims he was an 0-3 Mike Force Commander in a quiet area in
Vietnam and never did anything special nor saw any real action.
If we were talking about the experiences of a MACV advisor
(probably in logistics) or the experiences of a Mike Force
member, if Di Dummy is telling the truth about his service and he
is refusing to produce any documents confirming his claims which
all other vets I have ever met have been eager to do, then the
input of Di Dummy might be germane to this issue - but of course
it is not. He simply lies too much to be believed, and he admits
he was not in an Infantry Division in Vietnam. Serving time in a
backwater village in Vietnam is not a qualifier for knowledge
about how Infantry divisions operated in Vietnam - and the "After
Action" reports are a standing joke and have been discredited to
a degree the general consensus is they are only about 25%
accurate. (Note the old adage "Combat creates Confusion" prevails
in all After Action Reports). Also note that it only takes two
years from the date of commission as a 2nd Lt to make 0-3. TWO
WHOLE YEARS! Hardly enough time to be an expert on the Infantry.
(Of course I don't know what Di Dummy did prior to his OCS
graduation, and he is not talking nor willing to provide any
documents in that respect either.)
Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
Was not even in the US Army in Vietnam. Was an Air Force guard
dog perimeter guard in Tan Son Nuht Air Base in Saigon. What does
Penley know about the US Army Infantry in Korea or Vietnam?
Duh -Absolutely nothing. (Penley also claims he has had mental
problems in the past and is presently under psychological care -
in my opinion he needs it).
Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
Another Air Force Service Member - and so full of shit he glows
brown. Also knows nothing about the US Army not to mention the US
Army Infantry.
Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
Said he was a combat cook? He might have been. I have known many
a Cook that ended up on guard or patrol with me.
Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
Said the VA said he was insane.
Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
None of these gang members are even Vets - (one might have been
Answer:
Doug Grant (Tm)
"Sharky" <shark@he!!sgates.org> wrote in message
news:sv1pa1d5pleui3ki5...@4ax.com...
> In <MPidnVf6L8Y...@comcast.com>, DGVREIMAN wrote:
>
>>Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
>>
>>Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
>
> DAMN!! I didn't make the list.
>
> Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
>
> --
> Sharky
>
Doug Says: Since you now have admitted you are a smear merchant
and a member of the gang, you can hereinafter consider yourself a
member of the gang. Too bad you morons cannot address issues
when those issues prove you and your gang leader have been lying
to everyone all along. But no matter, those that are objective
can see what you morons are trying to do. Duck, hide, cower and
run from the truth as usual.
Also, Brook's FOIA request has been denied you blithering moron.
The only thing that is still "ticking" is your pea brain. If
your gang leader wants personal information on me he is first
going to be required to go to court.
Doug Grant (Tm)
DGVREIMAN
© Copyright 2005 by DGVReiman, all rights reserved.
Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
Claims he was an 0-3 Mike Force Commander in a quiet area in
Vietnam and never did anything special nor saw any real action.
If we were talking about the experiences of a MACV advisor
(probably in logistics) or the experiences of a Mike Force
member, if Di Dummy is telling the truth about his service and he
is refusing to produce any documents confirming his claims which
all other vets I have ever met have been eager to do, then the
input of Di Dummy might be germane to this issue - but of course
it is not. He simply lies too much to be believed, and he admits
he was not in an Infantry Division in Vietnam. Serving time in a
backwater village in Vietnam is not a qualifier for knowledge
about how Infantry divisions operated in Vietnam - and the "After
Action" reports are a standing joke and have been discredited to
a degree the general consensus is they are only about 25%
accurate. (Note the old adage "Combat creates Confusion" prevails
in all After Action Reports). Also note that it only takes two
years from the date of commission as a 2nd Lt to make 0-3. TWO
WHOLE YEARS! Hardly enough time to be an expert on the Infantry.
(Of course I don't know what Di Dummy did prior to his OCS
graduation, and he is not talking nor willing to provide any
documents in that respect either.)
Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
Was not even in the US Army in Vietnam. Was an Air Force guard
dog perimeter guard in Tan Son Nuht Air Base in Saigon. What does
Penley know about the US Army Infantry in Korea or Vietnam?
Duh -Absolutely nothing. (Penley also claims he has had mental
problems in the past and is presently under psychological care -
in my opinion he needs it).
Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
Another Air Force Service Member - and so full of shit he glows
brown. Also knows nothing about the US Army not to mention the US
Army Infantry.
Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
Said he was a combat cook? He might have been. I have known many
a Cook that ended up on guard or patrol with me.
Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
Said the VA said he was insane.
Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
None of these gang members are even Vets - (one might have been
in the Navy) not only are they so uninformed they squeak, they
are complete idiots when it comes to the real functions of the US
Army.
I, on the other hand spent many years in the US Army and I was
assigned to four different Infantry and Armored Units in total,
and one ordinance unit. I achieved the rank of SFC E-7 in just
Answer:
Doug Grant (Tm)
">
> DGVREIMAN Wrote:
>
> "I, on the other hand spent many years in the US Army and I was
> assigned to four different Infantry and Armored Units in total,
> and one ordinance unit. I achieved the rank of SFC E-7 in just
> over six years of total service - which was no small feat."
>
Ordie55" <gar...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1118606153.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>
Hey I Know You!!!
> Did'nt They Call You Whiney Or Weeny?
Doug Says: Are you addressing Brooks or one of the gang? Those
are the only "Whineys or Weenys" I have ever heard of. They
whine and ween each time they are required to read the truth
about their smear tactics - duck, run, cower, and post "Kook"
bullshit to cover their pathetic tracks of lies and smear
tactics - now that is really Weeny and Whiney.
Doug Grant (Tm)
Ordie55
I Do Know That You Are Either Full Of Shit Or A Complete Fucking
Idiot!.
My Name Is No Accident, I Was In Aviation Ordnance In The Navy...We
Were Called Ordies. You Posted Earlier:
"I, on the other hand spent many years in the US Army and I was
assigned to four different Infantry and Armored Units in total,
and one ordinance unit. I achieved the rank of SFC E-7 in just
over six years of total service - which was no small feat. My
last assignment was Station Commander of an US Army Recruiting
Station, so I had to know all of the possible jobs in the Army,
what they did, and how each MOS could perform in the various
different branches of the Army. In total, I spent approximately
four years in overseas service."
Anyone Who Spent Time In An Ordnance Unit Or Claims They Knew All
Possible Jobs In The Army Would Know How To Spell "ORDNANCE". This Is
No Simple Typo.
As I Stated Before.....You Are Either Full Of Shit Or A Complete
Fucking Idiot!.
So Take That And Shove It Up Your Gang Banged Ass!
Le Janitor
"Ordie55" <gar...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1118609994.2...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Sharky
I await the edit of your manifesto to include me in your libel,
Doogie.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
--
Sharky
"I am not a crazy person"
jim
wrote:
>In <MPidnVf6L8Y...@comcast.com>, DGVREIMAN wrote:
>
>>Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
>>
>>Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
>>
>>Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
>
>DAMN!! I didn't make the list.
>
>Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
I don't know if I made it. What did he say about that last
category??? I assume I am the Jim there. The guy is a loon not worth
reading.
Nigel Brooks
news:6fednf5Kk_Z...@comcast.com...
> SMEAR GANG REVEALED
>
> © Copyright 2005 by DGVReiman, all rights reserved.
>
> Nigel Brooks seems to be at it again. I have already proved that Nigel
> Brooks hid and omitted the part of the Butter Bar post where I told the
> person I was talking with not less than two times that I was a NCO in
> Vietnam before I made that Butter Bar quip, which proves Nigel tried to
> hide the true context of the statement and Nigel falsely claimed that I
> was referring to a 2nd Lt instead of a Platoon Leader when I said "Butter
> Bar."
>
> Nigel also said that he would retract when any other Vet came along and
> said they too referred to Platoon Leaders (regardless of rank) as a Butter
> Bar. So along came Eris, who made that precise same reference, and Nigel
> stammered and howled and barked that "Eris" was really me using an alias.
> Then along came Smitty, who also said he not only heard "BB" or "Butter
> Bar" used to mean a "Platoon Leader (regardless of rank) but he himself
> had also used that term in Can Tho.
>
You forgot profe, you batty clown
bwahahahahahahaha
tick tock tick tock (copyright Nigel Brooks 2005, All rights reserved)
--
Nigel Brooks
Duke of URL
> In <MPidnVf6L8Y...@comcast.com>, DGVREIMAN wrote:
>
>> Smear Merchant Nigel Brooks:
>>
>> Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
>>
>> Smear Merchant Gang member Penley:
>>
>> Smear Merchant Gang member Thompson:
>>
>> Smear Merchant Gang member Pepperoni:
>>
>> Smear Merchant Gang Member Doug Reese:
>>
>> Smear Merchants Mac, Dewey, SteveL, Rita, Jim, Le Janitor, etc
>
> DAMN!! I didn't make the list.
>
and killfiled him.
--
Moses.D...@gmail.com
Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler,
Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid
Marcus Aurelius
blackguard. Thank you for your research and your revealing the military
history and/or lack of military history of various other blackguards.
I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Division;2/8th Inf.;RVN 1969-1970
Pepperoni
> >>
> >Doug Says: Since you now have admitted you are a smear merchant
> >and a member of the gang, you can hereinafter consider yourself a
> >member of the gang.
>
>
> I await the edit of your manifesto to include me in your libel,
> Doogie.
>
> Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
>
> --
> Sharky
Sharky, run over to:
http://home.comcast.net/~thuxton/kooks.jpg
and get your own "KOOKS" membership Certificate.
Add your name in fancy script as the second line, and print it up; You
don't need Duh-g to make you a KOOK. Now you can proudly Prove it.
(suitable for framing)
I think I need to make up some "Smear Merchant" wallet cards and
challenge coins, eh?
Pepperoni
Doug Reese
I never said that the VA said I was insane. That was someone else in a
post where I had commented earlier. Apparently you can't distinguish
one person's comments from another.
Now, then, as for being insane, well, that might just apply to you.
Doug Reese
DGVREIMAN wrote:
> VIETNAM SMEAR GANG REVEALED
>
> © Copyright 2005 by DGVReiman, all rights reserved.
Nigel Brooks
news:%j4re.123$kX...@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
That's kind of sad Mr. Shaw.
I have no doubt whatsoever that you served with the 4th Division and did so
honourably - it's just that I feel your views concerning women are somewhat
perverted, and your fascination with GandS quaint.
With regards to your lauding of Mr. Reiman, the originator or this
particular thread, I'd suggest that you take a look at his previous postings
in other groups over the years regarding his Vietnam service before making
any commentary. Even better than that - just do a news group search on him
and see the hundreds if not thousands of postings emanating from his fingers
in which he attacks people who question his veracity, threatens lawsuit, and
generally yells libel continuously.
As with yourself (U.S. Army;4th Inf. Division;2/8th Inf.;RVN 1969-1970), -
just about everyone in this newsgroup has posted specific details as to the
unit they were assigned to and MOS that they held during that period of
assignment. Mr Reiman has refused to provide any details concerning the
specific organic unit of the 25th Infantry Division he was assigned to in
Vietnam, and the specific identity of the unit he was assigned to in Can
Tho. Perhaps for very good reason. If you care to research some of those
postings attributable to Reiman and his various netnames - you'll find there
is much to be suspicious of.
In that regard, I have filed FOIA for those military records on Mr. Reiman
that are publicly available. Mr. Reiman has taken great pains to forestall
that disclosure thus the numerous postings entitled "Vietnam Smear Gang
Revealed" "Nigel's Military Ineptness" "Vietnam Tours - Pesthole" or other
hysterical postings.
I trust that this will provide insight.
--
Nigel Brooks
Ordie55
The Difference And Shes Half Ditz Herself! But I Do Love Her So! We
Were Watching Mel Gibson In The Patriot The Other Night And She Asked
Me If The North Or The South Won!!!!!LOL
But She Knows How To Spell ORDNANCE!!!!!!!!!!
And She Was Never In It!
Its Kinda Like Being A Pilot.....If You Were One.....Wouldnt You Know
How To Spell It?
Doug Reese
By the way, you know who your favorite ordnance officer is, don't you?
DOug
Dai Uy
DGVREIMAN a.k.a. "Doug the Dodger" <DGVR...@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
>
> Smear Merchant Gang member Di Dummy:
>
> Claims he was an 0-3 Mike Force Commander in a quiet area in
> Vietnam and never did anything special nor saw any real action.
You are getting a little frantic in your libelous attacks "Dodger".
Clearly, the above statement, which you know to be untrue, is only
meant to damge my reputation. That constitutes libel.
Since you claim to be the big time gambler, why don't you place a
healthy wager regarding the amount and degree of action I experienced?
I've bet you that you never served in Viet Nam. Why don't you bet I
"never saw any real action." Prove you served there. Prove you were
decorated for your service. You won't, because you didn't serve and you
weren't decorated.
> If we were talking about the experiences of a MACV advisor
> (probably in logistics) or the experiences of a Mike Force
> member, if Di Dummy is telling the truth about his service and he
> is refusing to produce any documents confirming his claims which
> all other vets I have ever met have been eager to do, then the
> input of Di Dummy might be germane to this issue - but of course
> it is not.
I've offered to post my DD214 if you would. You are the **ONLY**
vet here who refuses to reveal even his unit assignments in Viet Nam.
Your continual refusal convinces me that you never served in Viet Nam.
I firmly believe that you are a complete fraud. As a trained analyst, I
am so confident in my analysis that I am willing to wager $50.00 that
your DD214 will not indicate service in Viet Nam.
Here's your chance to make some easy money.
What do you say?
> He simply lies too much to be believed, and he admits
> he was not in an Infantry Division in Vietnam. Serving time in a
> backwater village in Vietnam is not a qualifier for knowledge
> about how Infantry divisions operated in Vietnam - and the "After
> Action" reports are a standing joke and have been discredited to
> a degree the general consensus is they are only about 25%
> accurate. (Note the old adage "Combat creates Confusion" prevails
> in all After Action Reports). Also note that it only takes two
> years from the date of commission as a 2nd Lt to make 0-3. TWO
> WHOLE YEARS! Hardly enough time to be an expert on the Infantry.
What can you possibly be mumbling about? Does any of that have
anything to do with your bogus claims of service in Viet Nam?
> (Of course I don't know what Di Dummy did prior to his OCS
> graduation, and he is not talking nor willing to provide any
> documents in that respect either.)
The reason you don't know is because you've never asked, but for
the record,I was a Special Forces Weapons Sergeant - MOS 112.63.
Now you know.
What was your MOS prior to OCS?
So, what do you say Reiman, are you going to post evidence of your
service equivalent to what you've demanded of others?
>
*** REPOST ***
Doug the Dodger,
I'm still waiting for your reply.
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
From: Dai Uy <Dai...@hawaii.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:53:37 GMT
Local: Thurs,Jun 2 2005 8:53 pm
Subject: Easy money for a Viet Nam vet -- a modest wager
In article <yK-dnRvqDPkXPgHfRVn...@comcas t.com>, on Tue, May 31, 2005
7:48 AM "DGVREIMAN" <DGVREI...@COMCAST.NET> again wrote:
> So I am going to give you 48 hours to
> apologize for your latest libel.
You can file this with all the other public apologies you've
received -- where the sun don't shine.
You've talked of those apologies many times. Where are they
anyway?
> I hope Nigel told you where this issue is
> going due to his FOIA request?
He did. I quote; "-- the publicly available records will be
published." What part of that are you unable to comprehend?
"The wheels of justice grind exceedingly slow," Never-the-less,
they do make progress. Rest assured -- you will have your justice.
Either you will be totally vidicated, in which case I will apologize, or
you will be publicly exposed for the lying self-promoting con man and
wannabe that you have led me and others to believe you are.
You and I could, of course, speed that day along by both posting
scanned copies of our DD214s, revealing our Viet Nam service.
I'll even offer a small wager $50.00 that your DD214 will not show
assignment to Viet Nam. That should be easy money IF you had actually
been in Viet Nam.
If you don't want to take me up on it I'll understand.
As slow as both the FOIA process, and inevitable justice might be,
time is running out. The clock is ticking.....
Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock
-Dai Uy sends
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I'm waiting. My DD214 is scanned and ready to go.
Ordie55
Jim E
>
> © Copyright 2005 by DGVReiman, all rights reserved.
>
> Nigel Brooks seems to be at it again. I have already proved that Nigel
> Brooks hid and omitted the part of the Butter Bar post where I told the
> person I was talking with not less than two times that I was a NCO in
> Vietnam before I made that Butter Bar quip, which proves Nigel tried to
> hide the true context of the statement and Nigel falsely claimed that I
> was referring to a 2nd Lt instead of a Platoon Leader when I said "Butter
> Bar."
>
> Nigel also said that he would retract when any other Vet came along and
> said they too referred to Platoon Leaders (regardless of rank) as a Butter
Plt leader is an ocifer - zero type.
The E7 is the Plt sgt - Plt daddy.
Plt ldr's come and go like changes in the weather.
Plt daddies tend to have a duration measured in years.
Jim E
old plt daddy.
The Bandit
DGVREIMAN wrote:
> Since then I have found not less than twelve other vets that
> remember using the terms "BB" or Butter Bar" as a reference to
> their Platoon Leader even if that Platoon Leader was an NCO or
> other than a 2nd Lt.
I don't recall "Butter Bar" in the Corps, but "Brown Bar" was typical.
Dave Thompson
The Bandit <no-r...@idexer.com> pecked:
Not to worry. Dougnuts is trying to convince the entire military universe
that any Platoon Leader or a Platoon Sergeant without a Platoon Leader is
identified as a "Butter Bar".
Having spent a career in the Army in ranks from E1-E6, WO1-CW2 and 2LT to
Captain, I have NEVER heard of any rank other than 2LT referred to as Butter
Bar. Of course, Doogie will have legions of "other veterans" who will swear
that any person in charge of a platoon is known as a Butter Bar.
Of course, that legion of "other veterans" never shows up other than as sock
puppets.
He's fun to watch, but don't take him seriously. He does tend to repetition
and blathering.
--
Dave Thompson - Who WAS a Butter Bar when dirt was young
(The Other)
Mac
<inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>In news:1118714231.8...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
>The Bandit <no-r...@idexer.com> pecked:
>> DGVREIMAN wrote:
>> > Since then I have found not less than twelve other vets that
>> > remember using the terms "BB" or Butter Bar" as a reference to
>> > their Platoon Leader even if that Platoon Leader was an NCO or
>> > other than a 2nd Lt.
>>
>> I don't recall "Butter Bar" in the Corps, but "Brown Bar" was typical.
*************************************************
>Not to worry. Dougnuts is trying to convince the entire military universe
>that any Platoon Leader or a Platoon Sergeant without a Platoon Leader is
>identified as a "Butter Bar".
>
>Having spent a career in the Army in ranks from E1-E6, WO1-CW2 and 2LT to
>Captain, I have NEVER heard of any rank other than 2LT referred to as Butter
>Bar. Of course, Doogie will have legions of "other veterans" who will swear
>that any person in charge of a platoon is known as a Butter Bar.
>
>Of course, that legion of "other veterans" never shows up other than as sock
>puppets.
>
>He's fun to watch, but don't take him seriously. He does tend to repetition
>and blathering.
*************************************************
Dave;
I printed out ol' "BUTTER-BAR's" wonderful description and
his shucking-an'-jiving about how he claimed he went to
O.C.S. and was a "Butter-Bar" but did not graduate, did not
flunk out... and his claims that Butter-Bar referred to
NCO's.
I shared his stuff with several of the patients up at the
local VA Hospital and the VA Hospital down in San Diego.
I also shared his stuff with a several of the Sergeants at a
couple of the local Recruiting Offices.
I then also shared his depictions of "Butter-Bar's" over at
a local military base.
He sure brightened up the day of quite a few people.
Gave them quite a laugh.
Not one of them ever referred to a NCO, to a sergeant as a
"Butter-Bar"....
But you, and others who have served in the military, knew
that already.
When they were done laughing I also shared with them some of
the printouts of Doug "the O.C.S. "BUTTER-BAR" Grant
Reiman's many Fantastic and Wonderous stories of his antics
in Latin America and his culinary antics in Vietnam with all
of that killing and eating...
---Mac
lon...@earthlink.net
Ordie55 wrote:
> We Were Watching Mel Gibson In The Patriot The Other Night And She Asked
> Me If The North Or The South Won!!!!!
Well, the South, ah 'corse. The South Carolina militia, led by Francis
Marion (The Swamp Fox) beat the hell outta dem Red Coats, who were
kickin' the North's ass. But being gracious southerners, we allowed
Washington's troops to help in the mop-up and share in the victory.
Now, apologize to your wife!
Donna
The Bandit
DGVREIMAN wrote:
> Since then I have found not less than twelve other vets that
> remember using the terms "BB" or Butter Bar" as a reference to
> their Platoon Leader even if that Platoon Leader was an NCO or
> other than a 2nd Lt.
I did a google a search and found indeed there is reference to "Butter
Bar" in the Army. Here is how one Army vet describes it:
"I arrived in Viet Nam in August 1969 as a young second lieutenant
(nick-named 'Butter Bar' due the color of the rank insignia) in the
city of Nha Trang."
Then in a Army Glossery found here:
http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history_glossary.htm
butter bar: see brown bar
brown bar: a lieutenant; denotes the single bar of the rank. In the
field, officers wore camouflage rank which was often brown or black
instead of brass.
jim
wrote:
Do they say NCO's were called butter bar? Everyone in uniform has
probably heard butter bar as meaning 2Lt.
The Bandit
Right, that was the self evident point I was making: nothing *I* could
find supports a NCO being labled butter bar's.....
Dai Uy
"The Bandit" <no-r...@idexer.com> wrote:
> jim wrote:
> > On 14 Jun 2005 15:55:41 -0700, "The Bandit" <no-r...@idexer.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >DGVREIMAN wrote:
> > >> Since then I have found not less than twelve other vets that
> > >> remember using the terms "BB" or Butter Bar" as a reference to
> > >> their Platoon Leader even if that Platoon Leader was an NCO or
> > >> other than a 2nd Lt.
> > >
- - - - - [snip] - - - - -
> > >Then in a Army Glossery found here:
> > >http://www.ichiban1.org/html/history_glossary.htm
> > >
> > >butter bar: see brown bar
> > >
> > >brown bar: a lieutenant; denotes the single bar of the rank. In the
> > >field, officers wore camouflage rank which was often brown or black
> > >instead of brass.
>
> > Do they say NCO's were called butter bar? Everyone in uniform has
> > probably heard butter bar as meaning 2Lt.
>
> Right, that was the self evident point I was making: nothing *I* could
> find supports a NCO being labled butter bar's.....
Every NCO knew the Army meaning of "butter bar." Doug "The
dodger" Reiman had been an E-7. No NCO would ever say they were a
"butter bar." His claims to the contrary are just his feeble attempts
to explain away his lies [quips] suggesting his fantasy commissioning.
Everything he's ever posted, or refused to post, points to the fact
that Doug dodged Viet Nam. That fact, and Dougie's many many lies,will
be established when Nigel reveals Reiman's publicly available military
records. "The dodger" will not post his DD214 for the simple reason
that it will show that he never served in Viet Nam. Doug is a wannabe.
Makes you wonder where, if not Viet Nam, he, and or his team, killed
1803 of them Viet Cong fellers [estimated body count]. I know, I know,
Doug never said he killed anyone. He only said he killed as many VC as
he could. Under the circumstances of never having been in Viet Nam,
that number was zero, none, zilch, zip. Just another figment of
Dougie's fertile imagination not unlike all those folks he forced to
publicly apologize for speaking the truth.
If they publicly apologized, how can I Google their apologies?
His explanations of how we ever came to think he would claim he had
served in Viet Nam should be a masterpiece in shuck and jive. Clearly,
we misunderstood his many quips suggesting Viet Nam service, he didn't
lie, it was merely a typo on the part of an anonymous former member of
his clerical staff or many former associates, not Dougie. Doug dodged
Viet Nam as long as he could, then he got out. I, for one, can't wait
for the revelation of his publicly available records -- and for his song
and dance that will follow.
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The Bandit
Dai Uy wrote:
> Every NCO knew the Army meaning of "butter bar." Doug "The
> dodger" Reiman had been an E-7. No NCO would ever say they were a
> "butter bar." His claims to the contrary are just his feeble attempts
> to explain away his lies [quips] suggesting his fantasy commissioning.
Most likely he picked-up the term from reading stories but failed to
understand for whom the term was only applicable because he was never
an NCO.
Dai Uy
"The Bandit" <no-r...@idexer.com> wrote:
> Most likely he picked-up the term from reading stories but failed to
> understand for whom the term was only applicable because he was never
> an NCO.
He, like most of us, picked up the "butter bar" term sometime
during Basic Training. He knew full well the meaning when he used it.
He intentionally mislead his readers wanting them to believe that he was
an OCS graduate who was subsequently assigned to combat in Viet Nam.
Being a former E-7 is one of the few things Reiman has claimed that
I think we can believe. It fits.
The truth is that Reiman was the most despicable creature the
military produced during that era -- the careerist dodger. Dodgers
avoided Viet Nam by reenlisting for the shortest period possible for the
longest schools or guaranteed assignments to Europe, Korea, or anywhere
but Southeast Asia. Washing out of OCS was just part of their dodges.
Every branch of the service had its fair share of dodgers -- Army, Air
Force, Navy and Marines. I remember seeing them retiring in the late
seventies and early eighties, looking at their ribbons, and wondering
how in the hell could they have missed the big game.
I've no problem with the draftee, or first termer who, through the
luck of the draw drew a cushy stateside assignment, or as a Fort Derussy
lifeguard.
On the other hand, I've nothing but contempt for any professional
career soldier who intentionally and repeatedly shirked his duty to
serve in a combat zone. Reiman was just one of many. To the Army's
everlasting shame, I believe Reiman actually had manipulated his way
through the system and made E-7.
Dave Thompson
Dai Uy <Dai...@hawaii.rr.com> pecked:
You bring up an interesting observation. In the early 60's we all heard
about homesteaders, but in 1995 I met the ultimate in homesteading. I was
working on a contract at the Scott AFB, IL hospital. There was an Air Force
Chief Master Sergeant (E9) there whose ENTIRE Air Force career was spent at
Scott. The only time he left the base was for schools and some short term
TDY's. Unbelievable!
As far as Doogie making SFC, I have my doubts about that one. Even during
the "Shake and Bake" period, an E7 would have been more knowledgeable about
the Army.
--
Dave Thompson
(The Other)
Al Zeller
>
> As far as Doogie making SFC, I have my doubts about that one. Even during
> the "Shake and Bake" period, an E7 would have been more knowledgeable about
> the Army.
>
I doubt he made E-2, much less E-7. That's assuming he was actually in
the military.
Al
Dai Uy
wrote:
> I doubt he made E-2, much less E-7. That's assuming he was actually in
> the military.
It's right there on Reiman's publicly available DD214 -- item 5a
grade, rate, rank. His overseas service will be noted in item 22c, and
item 30 remarks. Doug "the dodger" already knows what it says.
Very very soon now, Nigel will know. Then we'll all know.
Time is running out.
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