Admiral Boorda/V'nam Service
The Amer War Lib'y
A recent email writer asked...
>I researched The Library's online database searching for
>Adm. Boorda's name. I did not find it. Why?
Two things to understand:
One. Historically, the Navy Dept has traditionally operated between official
and unofficial standards different from the War Dept... now the Department
of Defense.
During World War II, for example, naval casualities were listed separately
from Army, Army Air Corps and Marine casualties in official Federal, State
and regional publications. (This does not include private, commercial or
veteran organization publications.)
Two. The Navy's standards for awarding war-duty medals, citations and
service recognition are also sometimes based on different standards than
official Dept of Defense standards. Part of the reason for this is because
many naval personnel who operated on ships offshore, and in many cases
outside the territorial waters of enemy nations and hostile contact, would
not qualify for wartime service under Dept of Defense prerequisites.
Because Jeremy Boorda did not fulfill the Dept of Defense prerequisites for
Vietnam service his name, and others, are not included in the official
DoD listings. This is also true for special duty Army, Air Force and Marine
personnel who spent a very short period of time in-country. However,
although their DD-214 does not list the Vietnam Service Medal, it does (or
should) list the number of days (or months) they served in Vietnam (or
anywhere else around the world.) Technically, the men and women in this
category should be considered as Vietnam veterans. However, officially, they
did not warrant the Vietnam service medal/ribbon and, therefore, do not
appear on official listings as having 'earned' it..
(Veterans whose DD-214's do not show Vietnam service, but claim service in
Vietnam for a period of days or weeks can seek unit Morning Reports or Ship
Logs to substantiate their 'time-on-station', in-country duty.)
Regarding the Admiral's "V" for Valor citations: In this matter it was
former and active-duty naval personnel who originally contested the
apparently conflicting standards between awarding the Valor citation in
different wars. The contention was based on the fact that although Jeremy
Boorda and his crewmates performed wonderfully in executing their offshore
fire missions, (as his citation reads), at no time were they ever threatened
by hostile enemy contact. Some retired and active-duty naval personnel who
received the Valor citation for exposure to hostile action were concerned
that Admiral Boorda received the same citation under non-hostile conditions.
During WWII, for example, the Valor citation was only awarded to naval crews
who performed courageously when engaging/encountering hostile forces.
Because of that, thousands of naval personnel fought for transfers to naval
ships. An award-winning film about that is "Mr. Roberts."
The cure for this problem would require all service branches to agree and
adhere to a universal prerequisite for awarding decorations.
Be advised that this problem is not unique to the United States military.
Great Britain's military and naval services share the same problem.
Any American who is concerned about their Vietnam or Gulf War listing can
research their name in the Registry 24 hours/day. Vietnam and Gulf War
service verification is free. All Vietnam and Gulf War veterans are listed.
-- Brooke Rowe
The American War Library
http://www. amervets.com
R. Martin Caskey
On 14 Oct 1996, The Amer War Lib'y wrote:
> A recent email writer asked...
>
> >I researched The Library's online database searching for
> >Adm. Boorda's name. I did not find it. Why?
[snip]
> Any American who is concerned about their Vietnam or Gulf War listing can
> research their name in the Registry 24 hours/day. Vietnam and Gulf War
> service verification is free. All Vietnam and Gulf War veterans are listed.
Now, why am I not listed?
Martin Caskey
Towson, Maryland
RVN 1967/68 (or so I thought)
Jim E. Williams
The Amer War Lib'y wrote:
>
> A recent email writer asked...
>
> >I researched The Library's online database searching for
> >Adm. Boorda's name. I did not find it. Why?
>
ONE: THE ASSININE WANNABE LIEBRARY DOES NOT KNOWS ITS ASS FROM A HOLE
IN THE GROUND. IT IS A NON-VET ORGANIZATION AND IT STEALS IT'S
SO-CALLED DATA BASE.
><><><><>SNIPPED ALL THE LYING BULLSHIT THAT PHILL COLEMAN AND HIS ASSININE WANNABE LIEBRARY WROTE HERE<><><><><><
TWO: That Phill Coleman IS A non-vet AND is ONLY a WANNABE who steals
data bases from other REAL VETERANS. His so-called DATA BASE has never
been accurate about anything he posts, he is as bad as the rag
newspapers. He uses various personna's such as Brooke Rowe, Ed Gentry
and about a dozen others when it suits him. THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HIS
AMERICAN WAR LIBRARY IS TO SCAM REAL VETS. THE AWL is a COMMERCIAL BBS
that makes money off of selling this free information to un-suspecting
veterans and their families that try access this so-called free data
base of AWL's. If it was free you wouldn't have to access it thru a
modem by a phone number, you should be able to access it from the net,
also you shouldn't have to fill out a form just to look, but then Phill
couldn't make any money. Plus whoever accesses this so-called free data
base their information that they filled out on the form is unsecure and
at times is compiled and sold to net advertisers, then you receive all
kinds of junk e-mail. See alot of people are not aware of this because
AWL trys to avoid cross-posting any posting or the ones that they do are
only to 2 newsgroups, but actually they post the same article to dozens
of newsgroups. So unless you know where to look, people just don't know
about them.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE AMERICAN WAR LIBRARY HAS LIED ABOUT ADMIRAL
BOORDA and CAN SITE NO, I REPEAT NO CRDITABLE SOURCE FOR THIS
INFORMATION OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THEY POST ON DOZENS OF
NEWSGROUPS.
>
> Any American who is concerned about their Vietnam or Gulf War listing can
> research their name in the Registry 24 hours/day. Vietnam and Gulf War
> service verification is free. All Vietnam and Gulf War veterans are listed.
THIS IS ANOTHER BALD FACED LIE, LIKE I SAID THEIR INFORMATION IS NOT
ACCURATE AT ALL!!!!!!!!
>
-- Brooke Rowe aka Phill Coleman
The Assinine Wannabe Liebrary
http://www.SCAMEROVETS.NONVETCOM
And Phill you have a nice day! Just trying to be helpful in letting
people know about you organization.
Jim Williams
Pete Childress
R. Martin Caskey wrote:
>
> On 14 Oct 1996, The Amer War Lib'y wrote:
>
> > A recent email writer asked...
> >
> > >I researched The Library's online database searching for
> > >Adm. Boorda's name. I did not find it. Why?
>
>
> > Any American who is concerned about their Vietnam or Gulf War listing can
> > research their name in the Registry 24 hours/day. Vietnam and Gulf War
> > service verification is free. All Vietnam and Gulf War veterans are listed.
>
>
> Martin Caskey
> Towson, Maryland
> RVN 1967/68 (or so I thought)
'Cause Phyllis doesn't love ya', Martin, that's why...
<ar harharharharharharharharharhar>
Lucky you! <G>
-Pete
clma...@az.com
Gawd you are slow Phill! When are you going to figure it out? Your phony
BBS with its bullshit stolen/plagerized information doesn't have any
CREDIBILITY here.
Now that Patrick has enlightened me as to the law I no longer have to be
nice. When are you going to just go away you lying, thieving, dirtbag
piece of dog vomit.
Clete Martin
Phill Coleman aka
The Assinine Wannabe Lie brary wrote:
>
> A recent email writer asked...
>
> >I researched The Library's online database searching for
> >Adm. Boorda's name. I did not find it. Why?
>
> Two things to understand:
[bullshit snipped]
[phony personal snipped]
[commercial spam snipped]
Jim Fleming
::In article <53u5tj$5...@pbinews.snfc21.pacbell.net>
::vete...@pacbell.net (The Amer War Lib'y) wrote:
::> Because Jeremy Boorda did not fulfill the Dept of Defense
::> prerequisites for Vietnam service his name, and others, are not
::> included in the official DoD listings.
First off Coleman... You worthless piece of filth... I see your disclaimer,
but just who gave you the right to publicly make such statements? I've
publicly stated that I'm not an *IN-COUNTRY* vet, but still I'm a *VIETNAM
ERA* vet... I made the choice to make the statement... Not you.... Besides,
just how exactly do you KNOW that Mr. Boorda isn't in the DOD archives?
Hmmm, you must have a crystal ball... Oh I get it... You've got OFFICIAL
connections right? Your pitiful BBS entitles you to this correct?
HA! The other day I was at the official web page of the US Navy and tried
asking the web master there (via email) if there was a LEGAL way for me to
use my 'Net account to try and go through the Navy's archives and find an
old shipmate... I got politely ( BUT FIRMLY ) referred to the FAQ... Which
then of course I read... After reading the FAQ there's NO WAY they can help
me...
The US Navy doesn't have the resources, legal authority, nor the right to
divulge information about any of it's former members, nor do I think that
those self-same would want an organization to maintain and pass out
information about them for non-official reasons....
In short Coleman you're so full of it that you stink of bowel movements...
You don't have any right to make such claims.....!
Then...On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:59:33 -0800, dma...@wimsey.com (War Lib'y
Canada) wrote in alt.war.vietnam:
::And the Vietnam "war" doesn't count either as war was never declared,
::so all the "Vietnam war vets" really aren't. There's the real inside
::scoop on the AWL's vast database; naturally it's easy to list every
::VN war vet if there _are_ none!
::ps. We acknowledge that all of the points made above are not only
::false, they're offensive as well. However please keep in mind that
::the truth is not important to a War Librarian, whose purpose is to
::stir up as much trouble as possible. Shucks, even bad publicity is
::better than no publicity at all; bratty little kids clamouring
::for attention know that.
Doug why do I detect a little bit of annoyance in what you're writing??? Is
this piece of monkey crap getting to you? C'mon now is everyone out there
going to let Coleman win the day?
Surely not...
---
Jim Fleming
E-Mail address: jfle...@usaor.net
USN 71-75, USS Apache ATF-67 & USS Assurance AG-521
USAR 80-86, Co. C 429th Cmbt Eng. Bn. (Hvy)
USAFR 86-?, 911 AW/CES
Proud Member of the Canadian War Library. Membership ID# - 911
.... I love my country, but fear my government.
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