Why I am a lot like Phill (on my assigned days)
GunneyMcGlothin
Lexus-Nexus that Phill was nicknamed "The Answer Man" in
Vietnam becuz he had an IQ of 242.
My IQ (twenty years ago) was 103.
I am a LOT like Phill Coleman because BOTH of our IQ's
are in the three digits.
The 'Gunney'
I believe in the United States and I support our veterans.
I will defend any vet who is wrongfully abused.
Your Pal... Sal
> are in the three digits.
> The 'Gunney'
Would that be...
001?
s/s
Andy Gilbert
some totally inane drivel and signed it
The 'Gunney'
You are now referring to yourself as the 'gunney' ala Donald Trump?????
Sir, with the respect that I feel is due to you:
I believe you are a fraud and a charlatan. I deeply resent you assuming
a title that decent and honorable men have striven to attain. That, Sir,
also makes you the very worst type of wannabe!
By falsely using the title of Gunny, you are depriving my personal
heroes, Gunnery Sergeants Louis Pichon ( KIA 24 Mar67) and Chester Pavey
(KIA 25Mar67) , of a small degree of the honor that they EARNED and
DESERVED. You are also riding the coattails of Gunny Jimmy Howard and
every other REAL Marine Staff NCO from the inception of the Corps.
While a young radio operator who had been cross trained as a spotter
for a Naval gunfire team in mid '65, my Lt was wounded and evacuated. I
then filled in for the duration of Operation Starlight as both the Radio
Operator and the Shore Fire Control Officer. Although I was filling the
billet of a Lieutenant, was I a Lieutenant???/ Hell No!!!!!!! I had no
reason to think of myself as anything other that a very junior NCO...
Until the time that you can PROVE to me that you deserve any more, I
shall consider you to be a cad, a wannabe, and a scalawag. I have ZERO
respect for you, but I will balance it with a very healthy load of
CONTEMPT!!
John (Stevens) Mesojednik
--
john (mojo) mesojednik
Mac McKinzie
Your Pal... Sal wrote in message ...
Bill Clarke
GunneyMcGlothin <gunneym...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> I am a LOT like Phill Coleman because BOTH of our IQ's
> are in the three digits.
>
> The 'Gunney'
You forgot the fact that you both also pee through the same short little
goober.
Have a nice day, pencil dick.
Bill Clarke
F Troop, 17th Cav
Jim Bunker
GunneyMcGlothin wrote:
>
> I read in a 1993 Washington Post article I downloaded from
> Lexus-Nexus that Phill was nicknamed "The Answer Man" in
> Vietnam becuz he had an IQ of 242.
>
> My IQ (twenty years ago) was 103.
>
> I am a LOT like Phill Coleman because BOTH of our IQ's
> are in the three digits.
>
> The 'Gunney'
Don Thompson
I didn't see that post because I got the puke filtered. But his 242 IQ is
bullshit.The test can't measure past 200 and the upper limit is like 190.
Poor gunnEys IQ is so low that he must have been relegated to wiping asses
in the "baby blue" holding area. It takes a higher IQ to be a plain jane
Marine Rifleman.
--
Don Thompson
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"Jim Bunker" <bunker...@cjnetworks.com> wrote in message
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Steven W. Smith
gunneym...@aol.com (GunneyMcGlothin) wrote:
> I read in a 1993 Washington Post article I downloaded from
> Lexus-Nexus that Phill was nicknamed "The Answer Man" in
> Vietnam becuz he had an IQ of 242.
To the best of my knowledge, the highest recorded IQ was around 180. ("The
best of my knowledge", in this case is by no means asserted as a fact.) I've
read his book... at least major parts of it; I didn't have the "froth at the
mouth" reaction that some posters did; however, I didn't see any new
perspective(s) on the American experience in Viet Nam, either. Of course,
it's possible that I simply missed some of the more subtle implications.
> My IQ (twenty years ago) was 103.
An "IQ" is (emotional age) / (chronological age) * 100. According to *The
Statistical Abstract of the United States* (U.S. Bureau of Census), the mean
is normalized to 100 and the standard deviation is 12.3; thus 103 is as
normal as white bread and potatoes. According to my "off the cuff"
calculations with my little calculator accessory, I would expect about 53% of
the population to have a 3 digit IQ. My guess is that any discussion group
would probably have a slightly higher mean and about the same distribution;
however, I'm clueless how we'd show that to be true or not.
> I am a LOT like Phill Coleman because BOTH of our IQ's
> are in the three digits.
By that logic, you're a LOT like Hillary Clinton, too.
> The 'Gunney'
The 'Private'... Smith
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Before you buy.
Jim Bunker
know what for i studed it in test and masurment class some time back.
I think his is more like 85 - 90. (just above trainable)
Don Thompson wrote:
>
> Well Jim,
>
> I didn't see that post because I got the puke filtered. But his 242 IQ is
> bullshit.The test can't measure past 200 and the upper limit is like 190.
> Poor gunnEys IQ is so low that he must have been relegated to wiping asses
> in the "baby blue" holding area. It takes a higher IQ to be a plain jane
> Marine Rifleman.
>
> --
> Don Thompson
> Zoomie
>
> KILL the ghost to reply
>
> Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.
> "Jim Bunker" <bunker...@cjnetworks.com> wrote in message
> news:38677B93...@cjnetworks.com...
> > you are more like Mark
> >
> > GunneyMcGlothin wrote:
> > >
> > > I read in a 1993 Washington Post article I downloaded from
> > > Lexus-Nexus that Phill was nicknamed "The Answer Man" in
> > > Vietnam becuz he had an IQ of 242.
> > >
> > > My IQ (twenty years ago) was 103.
> > >
> > > I am a LOT like Phill Coleman because BOTH of our IQ's
> > > are in the three digits.
> > >
Steven W. Smith
<flas...@ix.netcom.comghost> wrote:
> The test can't measure past 200 and the upper limit is
> like 190.
Why can't a test measure past 200? A 10 year old with a emotional age
over 20 would have an IQ over 200. Are you saying that it can't
measure an emotional age of 21?
I think that 180-something is just the highest one known, so the test
may not be accurate at those levels. Over 99% of the population is
between 63 and 137. (3 standard deviations from mean.)
[...]
> Don Thompson
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Ask the test writers.All I did was take a class or two.You are the
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"Steven W. Smith" <swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote in message
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tien...@the-i.net
relative to IQ scores to those interested, not to argue for or against
anyone or their expressed opinions on the subject of ability scores. We
have taken the liberty of snipping all references to other matters other
than IQ and matters such as SD that bear on IQs. We have a slight
advantage, since we're sitting here with the assessment manuals, including
the questions, with all the information on normative data, and a finite
breakdown of every aspect of the instrument. That said, let's move on.
Steven W. Smith <sws...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8485k6$c5d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <19991225235154...@ng-fi1.aol.com>,
> gunneym...@aol.com (GunneyMcGlothin) wrote:
> > I read in a 1993 Washington Post article I downloaded from
> > Lexus-Nexus that Phill was nicknamed "The Answer Man" in
> > Vietnam becuz he had an IQ of 242.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the highest recorded IQ was around 180.
("The
> best of my knowledge", in this case is by no means asserted as a
fact.)....
>
The 180 above is very close (within 10 points) to what our manuals say, as
indicated below. However, this does not mean that Steven may well be aware
of an instrument of which we are unaware that projects a 180 score. There
are hundreds of such instruments on the market, the problem being that the
majority of people can't read the technical jargon which indicates whether
an instrument actually gives them the information they want to learn. What
we address below are tests and testing materials which are strictly
controlled for obvious reasons. Otherwise MENSA wound have millions of
members. <G>
Now, this is going to get a little complicated. Since scores on Ability
Instruments are manipulated mathematically so that they will neatly fit the
bell shaped curve, you have the unique circumstance where the median, mode,
and mean come together at "100." (Actually they don't, but let's not
complicate this any more than required by law. Theoretically they should,
and 100, or "Average," is close enough for government work. )
The Psychologist chooses an instrument with which to assess the client.
When we were practicing and we had someone present who was thought by the
referrers to have ability within what might be considered the normal range
of ability, we used one of the Wechsler Scales. There were a number of
these to choose from, based on the age of the client, but let's consider
that the client in this case was age 50. We would administer the WAIS-R
(Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale-Revised). When we examine the scores
that could be projected by the client we note that the lowest score is 48,
the highest 150. What those numbers represent is what is called the "Sum of
Scaled Scores" (SOSS). We also note that the IQ of 150 is projected with a
SOSS of 170. However we also note that it is possible to project a SOSS of
209, maximum. Please note that the scores 170 and 209 are not IQ scores.
150 is the maximum. So what happens in the extremely unlikely case of
someone attaining a SOSS of, say, 175? The Psychologist would simply record
"150+" and let it go at that. Such a score indicates that the client is
functioning somewhere above the upper 0.23% of the population and classifies
him/her in the "Very Superior" range. At the same time it is interesting to
note that to project an IQ score of 150 if the client is 40 years old
requires a SOSS total of 173; and a client at 60 only requires a SOSS total
of 165 to project an IQ score of 150.
What that implies is that the older you are the dumber you can be and still
be considered in the near genius class. So we all have something to look
forward to in our old age. <BSEG> But, hold it, that's not true. What
happens is that in the aging process you physically lose some of your old
dexterity in your hands and fingers, which reflects on the performance
scores and hence lowers the SOSS.
One more example. What if the client is thought to be abnormally bright, or
abnormally retarded? We would use a different instrument, usually the
Stanford-Binet. The reason for this is that the range of scores that may be
projected is from 0 to 170. Obviously, this is the instrument of choice to
use at the very top end and very low end of human ability. Our
understanding of scores above 170 is that these are "projected."
Occasionally there will be articles in the newspapers reflecting this or
that group's opinion on these projected scores. Leonardo de Vinci is
usually projected into the 200s, as are those of Napoleon, Franklin, Lincoln
and Jefferson as well as many lesser lights. But, again, these scores are
projected, not attained.
If only 0.23% of the population has IQ scores of 150, how could such tests
be normed? The same instrument is given in exactly the same way to
thousands of subjects in order to norm any test. How could you identify and
examine the normative group?
> An "IQ" is (emotional age) / (chronological age) * 100. According to *The
> Statistical Abstract of the United States* (U.S. Bureau of Census), the
mean
> is normalized to 100 and the standard deviation is 12.3; thus 103 is as
> normal as white bread and potatoes. According to my "off the cuff"
> calculations with my little calculator accessory, I would expect about 53%
of
> the population to have a 3 digit IQ. My guess is that any discussion
group
> would probably have a slightly higher mean and about the same
distribution;
> however, I'm clueless how we'd show that to be true or not.
We agree with Steven that an IQ of 103 "is as normal as white bread and
potatoes." Any score between 90 and 110 would be accorded that same
accolade. Have never heard the term "emotional age" but it seems to us
logical that it has replaced the old "Maturational Age" that we are
familiar with, and the formula MA(or EA)/CA * 100 is the precise formula
used by the Stanford-Binet to attain the IQ score for close to 80 years.
Actually, the standard deviation on any one instrument, as may be expected
from the data we provided above, will change between age groups. There are
eleven parts of the WAIS-R, and each part has its own standard deviation.
Let's look at the data on cases between ages 35-44. We find SDs from 2.6 to
3.4. Overall, at that age, the SD of the Verbal IQ is 15.0, the Performance
IQ at 16.5, and the Full Scale IQ at 16.4. Note that the Full Scale SD is
not an average of the Verbal and Performance SD numbers.
When we were in the business no Psychologist worth his/her salt would give a
"number" to a parent or a client as a measure of ability. Since no
administration of an instrument is finite (ie. an outside noise interrupted
the train of thought of a testee) no score produced by that instrument is
finite either. So we would assign a range of scores, accompanied by a
"One-Half Confidence Interval." This is how it works for a person who
attains an IQ score of 100. We might say "The results of this ability
instrument indicates that there is a 99% probability that your actual IQ is
between a range from 92 to 108" when the One-Half Confidence Level is 8.
You have a choice of confidence levels to report from ranging from 68%, 85%,
95% to 99%. As you decrease the confidence level, you decrease the range of
scores.
One further note. Psychologists have the ability to assess neonates down
to the age of 30 days (Bayley Scales of Infant Development). Thus, while
not in the delivery room, a psychologist might be consulted should Apgar and
Braselton scores indicate an "at risk" child. Obviously deformities of the
cranium and other diagnoses such as spina bifida indicate possible early
intervention in areas such as stimulation and educational programming. By
the use of specially designed instruments the non-verbal child may also be
assessed. While in practice we both spent a significant amount of time
assessing the competency of various clients, often at court order, and
usually the aged but not always. Very respectfully, Mary Jane Sullivan,
Ph.D,, Licensed Consulting Psychologist (Ret.), R. E. Sullivan, Ph.D., LCP
(Ret.) (Sully)
BobS
Anyone who gets all that on first read
should get an automatic membership in Mensa
I think I got it , but could you repeat that Sully!
Imagine what a good lawyer could do with that
info if IQ was an important part of his case .
bOb
tien...@the-i.net
Why bless you compadre, of course it does! You have "genius" written all
over your handsome Sicilian physiognomy. But we've known that for years.
Warmest regards, Mary Jane & Sully
Your Pal... Sal <sal...@ptd.net> wrote in message
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> My question is... does that make us geniuses?
Your Pal... Sal
Ok...
After trying to join the Marines with two of my childhood
friends I was turned down by two different recruiters due
to my flat feet and fallen arches. So I, along with the other
two pushed up our draft so we would be inducted together,
even though I could have qualified as 4-F.
Once drafted I, along with one of the two mentioned above,
volunteered to follow the third after he was picked for the
Corps. Needless to say we also followed each other one by
one to Vietnam.
My question is... does that make us geniuses?
s/s
Your Pal... Sal
> You have "genius" written all
> over your handsome Sicilian
> physiognomy.
He must be refererin' to the
night I got drunk in Oceanside
Ca.
If it's of any consolation...
I had a Bulldog and USMC
tattooed on my other arm.
s/s
Herb F.
I don't remember the address, but try looking up MENSA. They have a
short version of the test that will give you a hint about your IQ.
Bill Clarke
>
> After trying to join the Marines with two of my childhood
> friends I was turned down by two different recruiters due
> to my flat feet and fallen arches. So I, along with the other
> two pushed up our draft so we would be inducted together,
> even though I could have qualified as 4-F.
>
> Once drafted I, along with one of the two mentioned above,
> volunteered to follow the third after he was picked for the
> Corps. Needless to say we also followed each other one by
> one to Vietnam.
>
> My question is... does that make us geniuses?
>
> s/s
>
>
component of this news group I'm not going to answer that one Sal. But I
must say you sure left your flank exposed! <G>
Mac McKinzie
Bob (RS) wrote in message ...
>Herb;
> Do you think they can score in negative numbers?
>Bob
Charles Thomas
wrote:
Actaully I think he has a tattoo there also.
Sal, you ARE a genius...at making us laugh and have a good time in
spite of some of the rest of the things posted here.
Semper Fi.
CT
Charles Thomas
USMC 1st MAW RVN
Member "RFOKC Society"
CWL #530
Mokieman
Good to see you Charles Thomas
"Charles Thomas" <twi...@dur.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Steven W. Smith
No. You can neither have a negative chronological age nor an emotional
age.
Steven W. Smith
wrote:
> The intention of the originators of this message is to provide
> information
> relative to IQ scores to those interested, not to argue for or
> against
> anyone or their expressed opinions on the subject of ability
> scores.
[...]
> Very respectfully, Mary Jane
> Sullivan,
> Ph.D,, Licensed Consulting Psychologist (Ret.), R. E. Sullivan,
> Ph.D., LCP
> (Ret.) (Sully)
Talk about using a howitzer on a hamster...
Mojo
--
john (mojo) mesojednik
osc usn sw (ret)
Herb F.
I still have my MENSA card. Back when I was a kid and much smarter, my
IQ was 149. On the other hand, I recently tried the test on the MENSA
site and they said I wasn't a candidate, so I guess the old brain
synapsis no longer snap and crackle at the same rate.
I had a colonel who had a mental breakdown and recovered. He used to
wait for someone to call him crazy so he could pull this piece of paper
out of his pocket and say "I have a letter from a doctor certifying that
I am sane, can you say that?" I took the test just so I could use the
same line on someone who might call me stupid one day. i waited for the
opportunity to say "I have a card that says I am a genius, do you have
one?" Unfortunately, the opportunity never arose so I let my membership
drop.
To be honest. mosy of those geniuses were real assholes. We used to meet
in the old Playboy Club in NYC and although the conversation wasn't bad,
half of those guys could not hold a job. It became clear very quickly
that the ability to take a test tells nothing about your ability to
survive and prosper in the real world. It sounds like a cliche, but they
had lots of brains but no common sense.
Don Thompson
Grin you thinkin about sending the MENSA test to Full Colon and gunnEy ?
LMFAO they wouldn't be able to figure out how to open the test packet.
--
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"Bob (RS)" <rsears...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Herb;
> Do you think they can score in negative numbers?
Don Thompson
--
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"Steven W. Smith" <swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <s6frmq...@corp.supernews.com>, <tien...@the-i.net>
> wrote:
> > The intention of the originators of this message is to provide
> > information
> > relative to IQ scores to those interested, not to argue for or
> > against
> > anyone or their expressed opinions on the subject of ability
> > scores.
>
> [...]
>
> > Very respectfully, Mary Jane
> > Sullivan,
> > Ph.D,, Licensed Consulting Psychologist (Ret.), R. E. Sullivan,
> > Ph.D., LCP
> > (Ret.) (Sully)
>
Jim Bunker
kids. I see some of the "gifted" in my sons school and they are not
kids. At 12 some just want to read books for they never played much
with other kids before.
Now they do not know how to act around others. I thank God that my son
plays with others and he is in scouts. Yes most of his friends are the
"a" club but they have ben a group for 7 years now.
Lou Redmond
information
>
> Ok...
>
> After trying to join the Marines with two of my childhood
> friends I was turned down by two different recruiters due
> to my flat feet and fallen arches. So I, along with the other
> two pushed up our draft so we would be inducted together,
> even though I could have qualified as 4-F.
>
> Once drafted I, along with one of the two mentioned above,
> volunteered to follow the third after he was picked for the
> Corps. Needless to say we also followed each other one by
> one to Vietnam.
>
> My question is... does that make us geniuses?
>
> s/s
>
have congenital amblyopia in the right eye, so ... no go. 10 months later I
joined the Army (enlisted for Airborne Infantry unassigned if you can
believe it!) even tho' like you I could have been rated 4F (20/400
uncorrectable vision in the right eye). Went through basic and AIT taking
the Airborne PT test every other week. When we graduated from AIT, the 1st
Sgt had us in the auditorium handing out our orders. All the guys I had
been with for the last 20 weeks are getting "Ft. Benning", "Ft. Benning",
comes to me and he says "APO 29 NY". I'm a little puzzled, and like the
dumb ass I was (and can be at times) I ask "First Sergeant, is there a jump
school at this APO 29"? I don't think I've ever seen a first sgt. laugh
that loud and long before. Seems that I had been disqualified for Airborne
training the day after I came in the Army, but nobody ever told me. I just
kept taking those d**n Airborne PT tests! Thanks for the memory, Sal. I
guess I'm at that stage of either age or mind (probably both) where it takes
outside jogging to get the little gray cells moving.
-Lou-
Your Pal... Sal
> Thanks for the memory, Sal. I
> guess I'm at that stage of either age or mind (probably both) where it
takes
> outside jogging to get the little gray cells moving.
> -Lou-
I find a wet tongue
in my wall socket
works for me.
s/s
Your Pal... Sal
> Har Har Har! You may be right Sully but it begs the question: You
> KNOW what's coming Sal! <G> If he has "genius" written all over
> his (what?) ask him what he has written all over somewhere else!
> JV (I won't tell if you wont't!)
My only response to that
is...
* Say...*
And... You know what's
coming JV. <VBSEG>
s/s
Redleg
getting the "drift" of the explanatory message. Really enjoying this thread.
Especially, Sal and his tattoos. Hear Reader's Digest has an article on
preventing the spread of that discipline/art amongst the younger set.
Probably wouldn't have helped Sal if it was published that long ago. He was
probably seeing double just before deciding on tattoos... Did bring back
memories of high school days in Oceanside with its sidewalk barkers, USO
right downtown, life on Wire Mountain and South Mesa, etc.
Grif-no tattoos
8th/4th FA METRO, FB JJ Carroll, 69-70
Steven W. Smith <swsmith...@delmar.edu.invalid> wrote in message
news:00091c0e...@usw-ex0101-003.remarq.com...
> In article <s6frmq...@corp.supernews.com>, <tien...@the-i.net>
> wrote:
> > The intention of the originators of this message is to provide
> > information
> > relative to IQ scores to those interested, not to argue for or
> > against
> > anyone or their expressed opinions on the subject of ability
> > scores.
>
> [...]
>
> > Very respectfully, Mary Jane
> > Sullivan,
> > Ph.D,, Licensed Consulting Psychologist (Ret.), R. E. Sullivan,
> > Ph.D., LCP
> > (Ret.) (Sully)
>
Charles Thomas
wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:03:17 GMT, twi...@dur.mindspring.com
>(Charles Thomas) wrote:
>
>Charlie!
>
>Damn good to see you posting here again! Long time no see buddy
>(unless DC on Vets Day doesn't count)
>
>I'm having all I can do to contain myself here when talking about
>Sal and Tattoos. So far I've been good.
>
>JV
>
I noticed JV, and you're doing well too.
Especially since Sal makes such a BIG
easy target! <G>