anti-war up - Marines to review discharged vets for anti-war activity
redvet
Former USMC Sgt Kokesh. Washington DC 3/19/07
May 31, 2007 Update
Adam Kokesh and Liam Madden are active members of Iraq Veterans
Against the War (IVAW). Both are former Marine sergeants who served in
Iraq and were later honorably discharged. Due to their outspoken
opposition to the war, the Marine Corps is now formally threatening to
revoke their discharges and retroactively change them to "other than
honorable." This is a new, unprecedented step the military feels is
necessary in order to suppress a growing anti-war voice from within
the military itself. We cannot allow this suppression of free speech
to occur!
Kansas City, Missouri rally to support Adam Kokesh during his hearing!
Veterans: Please wear a piece of your military uniform as a show of
solidarity. Monday, June 4th at Noon in front of the Marine Corps
Mobilization Command Building, 15303 Andrews Road, Kansas City, MO
64147 (map). For more info: kokesh.blogspot.com
For more information about this case, please contact Iraq Veterans
Against the War Executive Director Kelly Dougherty at
ke...@ivaw.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots,
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Letter from former Marine Sgt. Adam Kokseh:
I need your help. Because of my involvement in IVAW, I have been
singled out and called for a military hearing to be made an example of
for those of us who have spoken out against the war. I have been an
active member of IVAW for a mere four months, but have already
garnered enough attention to be perceived as a threat by those using
our military to maintain political support for the occupation of Iraq.
Because my second activation as a reservist extended past my six-year
obligation, I am only in the Inactive Ready Reserve from my honorable
discharge from active duty last November to June 18th. After my
discharge, I moved to Washington, DC to get a Master's in Political
Management at GWU, and joined IVAW. I have since appeared on behalf of
IVAW speaking at concerts, universities, and high schools. I have
written about my views on the occupation and my military experience
for the IVAW website and on my blog.
Most notably, I participated in Operation First Casualty on March
19th. This was a mock combat patrol through Washington, DC in order to
bring home the truth of the occupation of Iraq, because the first
casualty of war is the truth. I appeared in my uniform, without my
name, without rank, and without the patch that says US MARINES. I
received an email of warning about possible violations of the UCMJ for
appearing in uniform at a political event. Instead of ignoring it like
everyone I know who has received similar emails, I wrote a strongly
worded reply admonishing the Major who was "investigating" me for
wasting time on such trivial matters. The text of that email is posted
here.
Liam Madden, Washington DC 3/19/07
I soon received a package from the Marine Corps informing me of a
separation hearing to re-separate me with an Other Than Honorable
Discharge. A scan of the complete package can be seen below. I have
sought private counsel for this hearing, as is my right. I intend to
bring as many witnesses as possible to testify to both the character
of my service and the nature of my involvement with IVAW. The Marine
Corps only made it known to us today that the hearing will be held on
June 4, in a mere 13 days. They have also decided to activate me for
the hearing and hold it in Kansas City, home of the Marine Corps
Mobilization Command.
This case is important because the intimidation of servicemen who
speak out will suppress the truth about Iraq. With the help of IVAW, I
intend to fight this to the end and stand up for the rights of all
members of our armed forces.
Please support this effort by mailing a check made out to IVAW with
"Adam Kokesh Legal Defense Fund" in the memo to PO Box 8296,
Philadelphia, PA 19101 or by going here, clicking on "Donate Now" and
including "Adam Kokesh Legal Defense Fund" in the Special Project
Support window.
Sincerely,
Adam Kokesh
i2p6 west
Tankfixer
mumbled
> They have also decided to activate me for
> the hearing and hold it in Kansas City, home of the Marine Corps
> Mobilization Command.
That simple sentence says it all.
He was discharged from active duty into the USMC reserve.
I suspect if the facts be known he still has some time left on his 8
year obligation he volunteered for.
--
Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a
diet of static text and
cascading "threads."
Tankfixer
mumbled
> can this be?
Sure, if the inDUHvidual is still in the inactive USMC reserves.
Which is about the only way they can activate him for the hearing.
IMHO the young SGT was an idiot
--
ar-
Tankfixer wrote:
> In article <135vpro...@corp.supernews.com>, i2p6...@nospam.com
> mumbled
>
>>can this be?
>
>
> Sure, if the inDUHvidual is still in the inactive USMC reserves.
> Which is about the only way they can activate him for the hearing.
>
> IMHO the young SGT was an idiot
Exactly!! What an idiot to think he could exercise the rights given to
him under the constitution. Which are the very same rights, if you
believe the rhetoric, that he and his fellow soldiers are figting and
dying for. That's silly.
Fat...@aol.com
> Tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <135vproaacfa...@corp.supernews.com>, i2p6w...@nospam.com
> > mumbled
>
> >>can this be?
>
> > Sure, if the inDUHvidual is still in the inactive USMC reserves.
> > Which is about the only way they can activate him for the hearing.
>
> > IMHO the young SGT was an idiot
>
> Exactly!! What an idiot to think he could exercise the rights given to
> him under the constitution. Which are the very same rights, if you
> believe the rhetoric, that he and his fellow soldiers are figting and
> dying for. That's silly.
>
Never been in the military have you?
Bill Clarke
>
>
>
> >>redvet wrote:
>
> >>> Marines to review discharged vets for anti-war activity
>
> >>>Former USMC Sgt Kokesh. Washington DC 3/19/07
> >>>May 31, 2007 Update
> >>>Adam Kokesh and Liam Madden are active members of Iraq Veterans
> >>>Against the War (IVAW). Both are former Marine sergeants who served in
> >>>Iraq and were later honorably discharged. Due to their outspoken
> >>>opposition to the war, the Marine Corps is now formally threatening to
> >>>revoke their discharges and retroactively change them to "other than
> >>>honorable." This is a new, unprecedented step the military feels is
> >>>necessary in order to suppress a growing anti-war voice from within
> >>>the military itself. We cannot allow this suppression of free speech
> >>>to occur!
> >>>Kansas City, Missouri rally to support Adam Kokesh during his hearing!
> >>>Veterans: Please wear a piece of your military uniform as a show of
> >>>solidarity. Monday, June 4th at Noon in front of the Marine Corps
> >>>Mobilization Command Building, 15303 Andrews Road, Kansas City, MO
> >>>64147 (map). For more info: kokesh.blogspot.com
> >>>For more information about this case, please contact Iraq Veterans
> >>>Against the War Executive Director Kelly Dougherty at
> >>>k...@ivaw.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots,
> >>>Adam Kokesh- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Prophet Micah
> Marines to review discharged vets for anti-war activity
>
> Former USMC Sgt Kokesh. Washington DC 3/19/07
> May 31, 2007 Update
> Adam Kokesh and Liam Madden are active members of Iraq Veterans
> Against the War (IVAW). Both are former Marine sergeants who served in
> Iraq and were later honorably discharged. Due to their outspoken
> opposition to the war, the Marine Corps is now formally threatening to
> revoke their discharges and retroactively change them to "other than
> honorable." This is a new, unprecedented step the military feels is
> necessary in order to suppress a growing anti-war voice from within
> the military itself. We cannot allow this suppression of free speech
> to occur!
> Kansas City, Missouri rally to support Adam Kokesh during his hearing!
> Veterans: Please wear a piece of your military uniform as a show of
> solidarity. Monday, June 4th at Noon in front of the Marine Corps
> Mobilization Command Building, 15303 Andrews Road, Kansas City, MO
> 64147 (map). For more info: kokesh.blogspot.com
> For more information about this case, please contact Iraq Veterans
> Against the War Executive Director Kelly Dougherty at
He needs to tell the US Jarhead Corps to go fuck themselves.
Remember that horseshit that the DI's used to tell us about how a less
than honorable discharge would screw us for life? It's exactly that
-- horseshit.
i2p6 west
He's never been a stupid redneck cracker.
> Bill Clarke...stupid redneck cracker...and sniveling little shit
;-)
Tankfixer
mumbled
>
>
> Tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <135vpro...@corp.supernews.com>, i2p6...@nospam.com
> > mumbled
> >
> >>can this be?
> >
> >
> > Sure, if the inDUHvidual is still in the inactive USMC reserves.
> > Which is about the only way they can activate him for the hearing.
> >
> > IMHO the young SGT was an idiot
>
> Exactly!! What an idiot to think he could exercise the rights given to
> him under the constitution. Which are the very same rights, if you
> believe the rhetoric, that he and his fellow soldiers are figting and
> dying for. That's silly.
One of which is protesting in uniform.
Makes me wonder how he made SGT in the first place.
--
Tankfixer
mumbled
> Fat...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Never been in the military have you?
>
> He's never been a stupid redneck cracker.
Why don't you describe your life for us then ?
redvet
wrote:
>can this be?
Aloha 12p6west,
Yep that's the big question. If I was the Marine general who decided
to pick this fight , I wouldn't have. It will create the most amazing
shit storm. Now theoretically a case could be made that because these
Iraqi vets are in the 'inactive reserve' - and they are for 7 or
eight years - charges 'could' be brought to bare.
But, the legal question is where their 'active duty' ends and their
civvie status begins. (Vinnie are you reading this?)
My guess is that IVAW is salivating about this fight.
Please feel free to bounce this around the 'net. (As well as any
friends who are reading this.)
This looks like, if the war pigs want to proceed along this line of
reasoning we have about 30 days to get our 'ducks in a row' . No sweat
on this one.
It will be a beautiful thing to take part in, or watch.. - redvet
Joe Schildt
> can this be?
Are these new laws?
Fat...@aol.com
Never been in the military either have you?
Bill Clarke
Fat...@aol.com
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:31:47 -0700, i2p6 west <i2p6w...@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >can this be?
>
> Aloha 12p6west,
> Yep that's the big question. If I was the Marine general who decided
> to pick this fight , I wouldn't have.
If the military still had me by the balls I wouldn't have told the
Marine General to go fuck himself. That was stupid.
> It will create the most amazing shit storm.
Naw, it'll blow over pretty quick because nobody much gives a fuck.
> Now theoretically a case could be made that because these
> Iraqi vets are in the 'inactive reserve' - and they are for 7 or
> eight years - charges 'could' be brought to bare.
> But, the legal question is where their 'active duty' ends and their
> civvie status begins. (Vinnie are you reading this?)
I came off active duty when I DEROSed from Vietnam. They still had me
by the balls for two more years. They even order me to summer camp
the next year but instead of telling a general to go fuck himself I
wrote my Congressman. Didn't have to go and didn't get into any
trouble, get my prescriptions filled for $8 a shot at the VA. I'm
guessing they still have this numnuts by the balls.
> My guess is that IVAW is salivating about this fight.
All four of you?
> It will be a beautiful thing to take part in, or watch.. - redvet
>
Goddamn son, have you ever seen a naked woman? Now that is beauty.
Bill Clarke
Tankfixer
mumbled
> i2p6 west wrote:
> > can this be?
>
> Are these new laws?
Nope, the young SGT knew what the score was when he chose to try and
grandstand.
--
Mac
>On Jun 2, 2:21 am, redvet <red...@lava.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:31:47 -0700, i2p6 west <i2p6w...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >can this be?
>>
>> Aloha 12p6west,
>> Yep that's the big question. If I was the Marine general who decided
>> to pick this fight , I wouldn't have.
************************************
>If the military still had me by the balls I wouldn't have told the
>Marine General to go fuck himself. That was stupid.
**************************
You're kidding?
Right?
Whether on Active, or Reserve duty, or even Inactive, Some enlisted
critter said that and expected nothing to happen?
Gads.
Mac, the Medic
BigRedWingsFan
"Mac" <NoSpa...@NoSpamToday.net> wrote in message
news:pei363hignvh3rbrh...@4ax.com...
Unfortunately, the current VFW National Commander has forgotten about
military discipline and regulations and has spouted off in support of
insubordinate soon to be former Marine. As a disgruntled life-member of the
VFW, I am in the process of drafting a response to Comrade Kurpuis
suggesting he reconsider his ill-thought support while I reconsider my
membership status. Seem Comrade Kurpuis didn't get the message from the
national spokesman, Comrade Newberry.
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13427362/detail.html
"The Veterans of Foreign Wars is urging the military to show "a little
common sense" and call off its investigation of a group of Iraq war veterans
who wore their uniforms during war protests. VFW national commander Gary
Kurpius said trying to punish Americans for exercising the same Democratic
right the U.S. is trying to instill in Iraq "is not what we're all about."
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/132654.html
"Just a day earlier, VFW spokesman Jerry Newberry, asked about the Kokesh
case, said the Marines should enforce its regulations against protesters
improperly wearing military uniforms."
> Mac, the Medic
!Jones
<red...@lava.net> wrote:
>Due to their outspoken
>opposition to the war, the Marine Corps is now formally threatening to
>revoke their discharges and retroactively change them to "other than
>honorable."
I would consider that serious. How can I verify the story
independently? I want more than simply his word... I'm sure it's
good, mind you; however, having seen more than one myth pass through,
I'm sceptical.
If anything more surfaces, be sure to post it.
Oh, yeah... I gotta repost the Grunt issue.
Jones
!Jones
<red...@lava.net> wrote:
>It will create the most amazing
>shit storm.
Any idiot with a lick of sense would expect *that*. I'm noy buying it
yet.
Jones
CAnnC
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.army.m> wrote in message
news:LRg8i.17319$j63....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> In article <1362g25...@corp.supernews.com>, js...@wedgesystems.com
> mumbled
>> i2p6 west wrote:
>> > can this be?
>>
>> Are these new laws?
>
> Nope, the young SGT knew what the score was when he chose to try and
> grandstand.
>
And "Tankfixer" is correct on that; also since "Joe Schmo" is also in the
IRR it means he's not exactly 100% discharged as he can be called back to
active duty if needed wherever he is. I know, I was in the IRR, too, and
this is how it was explained to me, now that I'm 100% veteran status (but
grey area reservists, not yet receiving my pension until age 60). Any
military reservist/National Guardsmen with an IRR status is still under the
UCMJ, and Joe Schmo here violated that ruling, hence, he's subject to the
laws of UCMJ and the Marines have every right to deny him of his "honorable"
status for what he's involved in. I don't feel one bit sorry for "Joe
Schmo" - Disgraced-the-uniform-Joe should be his new handle.
leto...@nospam.net
Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government. Too
bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
In <5ce1qdF...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/02/2007
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Zlm8i.973$Uy4.125@trndny09...
>
>
> Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
>
> We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government. Too
> bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
Too bad you never wore one, I mean, other than the Girl Scout uniform your
"Uncle Pedro" made you wear, otherwise you'd understand about military
regulations, discipline and respect. You never "fought" for anything in
your life. Now get back under your bridge, troll.
leto...@nospam.net
Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
In <1363rod...@corp.supernews.com>, on 06/02/2007
leto...@nospam.net
Sorry LIFER, but I was in the USAF. You know, the branch that won the
cold war -- while you dumb ass grunts were losing in Vietnam to a rag-tag
bunch of uneducated, untrained farmers. -->You been educated on this
before. Take notes this time lifer.
Why is it you always have to prove you are stupid lifer? Instead of just
thutting up like an adult with brains would!
In <5cea9hF...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/02/2007
Vince
> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Zlm8i.973$Uy4.125@trndny09...
>>
>> Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
>>
>> We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government. Too
>> bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
>
> Too bad you never wore one, I mean, other than the Girl Scout uniform your
> "Uncle Pedro" made you wear, otherwise you'd understand about military
> regulations, discipline and respect. You never "fought" for anything in
> your life. Now get back under your bridge, troll.
Actually you make his point. There are some folks who prefer that
someone else does their political thinking for them. If these folks can
shoot straight, follow orders and keep their mouth shut and kill
whomever they are told to kill they make excellent soldiers. The risk of
course is that they will think of these skills as having universal value
,or that skill in following orders confers wisdom in giving them.
They do not. History is full of excellent soldiers whose "honor was
loyalty". The interesting question for the United States is whether we
want this kind of soldier. We don't like to think of our soldiers as
being for example the same as the Wehrmacht, but when it comes down to
it, we do equate following orders with loyalty to the nation. A
democratic society owes a special duty to its citizens soldiers. It
must tolerate a far higher level of dissent, or it is itself disloyal to
the great traditions of a free country.
redvet
>On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:29:57 -1000, in alt.war.vietnam redvet
><red...@lava.net> wrote:
>
>>Due to their outspoken
>>opposition to the war, the Marine Corps is now formally threatening to
>>revoke their discharges and retroactively change them to "other than
>>honorable."
>
>I would consider that serious. How can I verify the story
>independently?
redvet - By June 3rd, there should be plenty.
I want more than simply his word... I'm sure it's
>good, mind you; however, having seen more than one myth pass through,
>I'm sceptical.
>
>If anything more surfaces, be sure to post it.
>
>Oh, yeah... I gotta repost the Grunt issue.
redvet - It may well be that it is the only edition , of its genre,
available on line.
>Jones
BigRedWingsFan
"Vince" <fir...@firelaw.us> wrote in message
news:WaqdnQYV-_tInf_b...@comcast.com...
The dissent isn't the issue here, Vince, but since it's apparent that you
never served you wouldn't understand what is. From my original post -
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:EVm8i.149$Gy4.92@trndny08...
>
>
> Sorry LIFER, but I was in the USAF.
Prove it, assclown. You have never posted anything here that would indicate
that. Your knowledge of the military appears to be based on SGT Rock comic
books and Michael Moore comedies.
>You know, the branch that won the cold war -
The politicians won it without a single battle being waged. *You* had
NOTHING to do with it.
> while you dumb ass grunts were losing in Vietnam to a rag-tag
> bunch of uneducated, untrained farmers.
Sorry, I was still in high school, you lose again <still>.
-->You been educated on this
> before. Take notes this time lifer.
Not by you, that's for God-damned sure, boy. Take your own fucking notes.
>
> Why is it you always have to prove you are stupid lifer? Instead of just
> thutting up like an adult with brains would!
I was a career NCO, thank you very much, in the top 10% of my career field
(and I wasn't a grunt). I'll thut (sic) up when I feel like it, not a
moment sooner.
Horvath
wrote this crap:
>
><leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Zlm8i.973$Uy4.125@trndny09...
>>
>>
>> Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
>>
>> We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government. Too
>> bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
>
>Too bad you never wore one, I mean, other than the Girl Scout uniform your
>"Uncle Pedro" made you wear, otherwise you'd understand about military
>regulations, discipline and respect. You never "fought" for anything in
>your life. Now get back under your bridge, troll.
You forgot about his nazi uniform, and his Napoleon uniform.
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
Horvath
>
>
>Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
>law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
>has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
Are you sure he wasn't wearing a nazi uniform, like yours?
Vince
I'm not a good subordinate. I've said that before. but you had better
prove that it's not about the dissent , not just claim it
Vince
i2p6 west
Ha Ha Ha!!!
and of course by "respect" you mean "no dissent".
ya fuckin moron
Ha!
(the fuckin moron tries to play the "you can't possibly understand" game...ha ha ha)
BigRedWingsFan
"i2p6 west" <i2p6...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:136498d...@corp.supernews.com...
No, i2pthebed, I am referring to his response(Kokesh, a corporal and Iraq
veteran, also used an obscenity when responding to an email from a superior
officer investigating the incident.) to the major (a superior commissioned
officer) at USMCR HQ. Now, go suck on Le'Turd for a while, your chin needs
greasin'..
>
> ya fuckin moron
>
> Ha!
>
>
> (the fuckin moron tries to play the "you can't possibly understand"
> game...ha ha ha)
And *you* can't. HAND. FOAD. ESAD. But mostly D.
BigRedWingsFan
Here's my e-mail to the VFW National Commander:
Begin e-mail\"Comrade Kurpius - You do not speak for the entire VFW when you
spout off about current members of the Armed Forces violating uniform
regulations as well as being disrespectful and insubordinate to superiors.
You should either make your comments as a private citizen, ensuring the
media understands that you are not speaking for our organization, or not
make comment at all.
The headline I used in the subject of this e-mail comes from KMBC-TV Channel
9's web site, http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13427362/detail.html,
and infers that the entire VFW "is urging the military to show "a little
common sense" and call off its investigation of a group of Iraq war veterans
who wore their uniforms during war protests." I think you will find that is
far from the case as most of our organization's membership understand and
respect military discipline and tradition. I think that you would have
better served the organization as a whole, if you had to say anything at
all, by agreeing with what Comrade Jerry Newberry said Thursday ("Just a day
earlier, VFW spokesman Jerry Newberry, asked about the Kokesh case, said the
Marines should enforce its regulations against protesters improperly wearing
military uniforms." from http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/132654.html)
and left your personal opinion out of your comments.
I am a life member of the VFW and I certainly do not wish to have the
general public think that I and an organization I proudly belong to are
arm-chair quarterbacking our military leaders. I would thank you to leave
your personal opinions at home when speaking on behalf of the organization
in the future."/end e-mail
If the Marines choose to prosecute, it appears to be a slam dunk case for
the charges currently being considered in my opinion, regardless of the
Corps true intention, no further proof of anything to the contrary is
needed.
>
> Vince
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
>
>
> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>
>
you allegedly sit on to read this for you:
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13427362/detail.html
"He was photographed ***wearing his uniform*** with military insignias
removed during a mock patrol with other veterans at a protest rally in
April."
Vince
and if they had sucked up to the shrub and said this is a glorious war
would you send the same letter
Vince
BigRedWingsFan
You mean like the one I wrote to a local newspaper voicing my disapproval
over an Army colonel who attended a Republican gathering for **President
Bush** while wearing his dress uniform? I'm not sure who this so-called
"shrub" you mention is. I thought this was an honest discussion but I guess
that's not possible with a so-called lawyer is it?/end discussion.
>
>
> Vince
>
>
Vince
Did you suggest criminal prosecution ?
and that it was a slam dunk ?
vince
i2p6 west
or that removing identifying patches and insignia makes it no longer a U.S. uniform; it's
what any civilian can buy and wear in public. (far different from the dress uniform)
The issue is transparent.
>
> vince
David R
"CAnnC" <char...@localnet.com> wrote in message
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David R
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
>
>
> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>
>
the hillbillies see the tide of military support turning against them,
more like a tidal wave actually, and they're using their typical
karl himmler rove, and george adolf bush, along with the dickhead goering
cheney
republicon scare tactics to try to intimidate
them and keep them quiet
David R
"BigRedWingsFan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
>>
>>
>> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
>> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
>> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>>
>>
> Maybe you can get one of those special ed kids from the school whose board
> you allegedly sit on to read this for you:
>
> http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13427362/detail.html
>
> "He was photographed ***wearing his uniform*** with military insignias
> removed during a mock patrol with other veterans at a protest rally in
> April."
let's see ;
bush,cheney, limbaugh,and the rest of the gutless yellow cowards were
photographed being unpatriotic, chicken, gutless, cowardly,stupid, arrogant,
corrupt,incompetent,war and draft evading,
I say we prosecute them, find them guilty, and make them serve as
privates in the 82nd Airborne,
the gutless, hillbilly cocksuckers
Tankfixer
>
>
> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
Actually the article states he did wear a uniform for his little
"protest"
>
> In <1363rod...@corp.supernews.com>, on 06/02/2007
> at 06:29 PM, "CAnnC" <char...@localnet.com> said:
>
>
>
>
> >"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.army.m> wrote in message
> >news:LRg8i.17319$j63....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > In
> >article <1362g25...@corp.supernews.com>, js...@wedgesystems.com >
> >mumbled
> >>> i2p6 west wrote:
> >>> > can this be?
> >>>
> >>> Are these new laws?
> >>
> >> Nope, the young SGT knew what the score was when he chose to try and
> >> grandstand.
> >>
>
> >And "Tankfixer" is correct on that; also since "Joe Schmo" is also in the
> > IRR it means he's not exactly 100% discharged as he can be called back
> >to active duty if needed wherever he is. I know, I was in the IRR, too,
> >and this is how it was explained to me, now that I'm 100% veteran status
> >(but grey area reservists, not yet receiving my pension until age 60).
> >Any military reservist/National Guardsmen with an IRR status is still
> >under the UCMJ, and Joe Schmo here violated that ruling, hence, he's
> >subject to the laws of UCMJ and the Marines have every right to deny him
> >of his "honorable" status for what he's involved in. I don't feel one
> >bit sorry for "Joe Schmo" - Disgraced-the-uniform-Joe should be his new
> >handle.
>
>
>
>
--
--
Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a
diet of static text and
cascading "threads."
Tankfixer
ho...@yahoo.net mumbled
> the only ones who disgraced the uniform were the ones who wore it in Iraq
But are you man enough to walk up to one and say that to his face ?
Eh Ho ?
--
leto...@nospam.net
>In article <5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04>, leto...@nospam.net mumbled >
>>
>> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
>> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
>> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>Actually the article states he did wear a uniform for his little
>"protest"
No he didn't. Old fatigues with no patches are not a uniform. If you
weren't a wannabee, you would know that.
leto...@nospam.net
>Vince wrote:
>The issue is transparent.
Yes it is -- and the right wingers, are too stupid to get it. -- The fact
that the military is whining and being aggressively stupid, shows us that
Iraq has beaten the Marines too.
That also means that Al Qaeda and Saddam, even in death have beaten george
bush and reduced a super power into a collection of fallen idiots.
...And still the right wing cowards here won't get their own asses into
the war they want.
>>
>> vince
leto...@nospam.net
I know what they are doing. Its what fascist and right wing kook military
machines always do when they are losing with no hope -- and are running
out of cannon fodder to murder.
leto...@nospam.net
Hey lifer dumbass --> Intelligent people never respected characters like
you, because you didn't deserve respect. You were't respected in the
service or now, because you keep acting stupid.
In this case, we have a military machine whining that fatigues with no
patches are still a uniform. -->A stupidity that exemplifies what is
wrong with lifers. ...Who are not the same as career people. (Another
concept that you are too stupid to get).
In <5cenc5F...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/02/2007
leto...@nospam.net
Hey *asshole *lifer --> fatigues without patches are not a legal uniform.
Just what army did you serve in anyway? Were you on our side or their's?
In <5cepb5F...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/02/2007
at 10:02 PM, "BigRedWingsFan" <m...@privacy.net> said:
><leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
>>
>>
>> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
>> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
>> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>>
>>
>Maybe you can get one of those special ed kids from the school whose
>board you allegedly sit on to read this for you:
>http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13427362/detail.html
>"He was photographed ***wearing his uniform*** with military insignias
>removed during a mock patrol with other veterans at a protest rally in
>April."
>..
i2p6 west
I hope you are right; warmongering should not be allowed to succeed, else it will repeat.
leto...@nospam.net
Fatigues without patches are not a legal uniform, asshole!
In <46621749$0$1341$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com>, on 06/02/2007
leto...@nospam.net
Fatigues without patches are not a legal uniform, asshole!
In <46621748$0$1341$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com>, on 06/02/2007
leto...@nospam.net
You want proof lifer? I'll be glad to provide proof. Just sign a
non-disclosure agreement good for 25 years, and agree that if its violated
you concede a judgement for 75K.
Here's betting you whine, snivel and cry like the sick moron that you are.
In <5cej4pF...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/02/2007
i2p6 west
> Hey *asshole *lifer --> fatigues without patches are not a legal uniform.
he he he...if so, just think of all the Vietnam anti-war people who wore old
Army fatigues and jackets, etc. Especially VVAW. Round 'em up, throw 'em
in jail! (assuming the time limit hasn't run out).
Gawd what fun!
;-)
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:qCw8i.3661$WE4.3045@trndny01...
>
>
> You want proof lifer? I'll be glad to provide proof. Just sign a
> non-disclosure agreement good for 25 years, and agree that if its violated
> you concede a judgement for 75K.
>
>
> Here's betting you whine, snivel and cry like the sick moron that you are.
Oh good, the Le' Turd top post. I accept your surrender.
BigRedWingsFan
Which is quite different than what a member of the active or reserve force
can do with the same article of clothing. Again, had any of you clowns ever
served you would know and understand that. Try reading MCO P1020.34G or
AR 670-1 or AFI 36-2903 or NAVPERS 15665I sometime and get an education.
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:ftw8i.2848$fX4.586@trndny03...
>
> Hey lifer dumbass --> Intelligent people never respected characters like
> you, because you didn't deserve respect. You were't respected in the
> service or now, because you keep acting stupid.
>
> In this case, we have a military machine whining that fatigues with no
> patches are still a uniform. -->A stupidity that exemplifies what is
> wrong with lifers. ...Who are not the same as career people. (Another
> concept that you are too stupid to get).
Wrong on *all* counts once again, Little Edie, but what's new. Members of
the active and reserve forces have a different set of rules that apply to
them. Had you really ever served you would know and understand that. Try
reading MCO P1020.34G or AR 670-1 or AFI 36-2903 or NAVPERS 15665I sometime
and get an education.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
leto...@nospam.net
Give up your bullshit --> fatigues without a patch are not a uniform,
asshole.
Do you need this repeated for you pea brain, or are you going to be adult
and shut up?
In <5cfvnjF...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/03/2007
leto...@nospam.net
Give up your bullshit --> fatigues without a patch are not a uniform
In <5cfvhlF...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/03/2007
leto...@nospam.net
What you mean is you don't have the BALLS to take me up on the offer. Ya
coward lifer.
In <5cfpbgF...@mid.individual.net>, on 06/03/2007
Fat...@aol.com
> In article <5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04>, letou...@nospam.net mumbled
>
>
>
> > Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> > law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> > has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>
> Actually the article states he did wear a uniform for his little
> "protest"
>
>
And he and his buddies looked like damn fools waking down the street
with make believe weapons on a make believe patrol. Been funny to
poop a little M79 tear gas on their "patrol".
These type peckerheads have always made themselves look like fools and
embarrass me to boot. Fuck them.
I love seen old pictures of Kerry with a fatigue shirt wearing his
phony ribbons. The only time I've seen ribbons on fatigues.
Bill Clarke
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:JyA8i.2855$fX4.721@trndny03...
>
>
> What you mean is you don't have the BALLS to take me up on the offer. Ya
> coward lifer.
No, cocksucker, what I mean is, if I really gave a shit that is, I would
submit an SF-180 to NARA, but YOU are not worth my time & effort. Now,
little girl, go fuck yourself.
BigRedWingsFan
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:IyA8i.2854$fX4.1818@trndny03...
>
> Give up your bullshit --> fatigues without a patch are not a uniform
> asshole.
In other words, you have no idea what military regulations say regarding
this matter as it pertains to current members of the active & reserve
forces. So very typical of you, Little Edie.
BigRedWingsFan
In other words, you have no idea what military regulations say regarding
this matter as it pertains to current members of the active & reserve
forces. So very typical of you, Little Edie.
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:HyA8i.2853$fX4.1498@trndny03...
Jack Linthicum
> In article <135vproaacfa...@corp.supernews.com>, i2p6w...@nospam.com
> mumbled
>
> > can this be?
>
> Sure, if the inDUHvidual is still in the inactive USMC reserves.
> Which is about the only way they can activate him for the hearing.
>
> IMHO the young SGT was an idiot
>
>
>
> > redvet wrote:
>
> > > Marines to review discharged vets for anti-war activity
>
> > > Former USMC Sgt Kokesh. Washington DC 3/19/07
> > > May 31, 2007 Update
> > > Adam Kokesh and Liam Madden are active members of Iraq Veterans
> > > Against the War (IVAW). Both are former Marine sergeants who served in
> > > Iraq and were later honorably discharged. Due to their outspoken
> > > opposition to the war, the Marine Corps is now formally threatening to
> > > revoke their discharges and retroactively change them to "other than
> > > honorable." This is a new, unprecedented step the military feels is
> > > necessary in order to suppress a growing anti-war voice from within
> > > the military itself. We cannot allow this suppression of free speech
> > > to occur!
> > > Kansas City, Missouri rally to support Adam Kokesh during his hearing!
> > > Veterans: Please wear a piece of your military uniform as a show of
> > > solidarity. Monday, June 4th at Noon in front of the Marine Corps
> > > Mobilization Command Building, 15303 Andrews Road, Kansas City, MO
> > > 64147 (map). For more info: kokesh.blogspot.com
> > > For more information about this case, please contact Iraq Veterans
> > > Against the War Executive Director Kelly Dougherty at
> > > k...@ivaw.orgThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots,
> > > you need JavaScript enabled to view it
>
> > > Letter from former Marine Sgt. Adam Kokseh:
> > > I need your help. Because of my involvement in IVAW, I have been
> > > singled out and called for a military hearing to be made an example of
> > > for those of us who have spoken out against the war. I have been an
> > > active member of IVAW for a mere four months, but have already
> > > garnered enough attention to be perceived as a threat by those using
> > > our military to maintain political support for the occupation of Iraq.
> > > Because my second activation as a reservist extended past my six-year
> > > obligation, I am only in the Inactive Ready Reserve from my honorable
> > > discharge from active duty last November to June 18th. After my
> > > discharge, I moved to Washington, DC to get a Master's in Political
> > > Management at GWU, and joined IVAW. I have since appeared on behalf of
> > > IVAW speaking at concerts, universities, and high schools. I have
> > > written about my views on the occupation and my military experience
> > > for the IVAW website and on my blog.
> > > Most notably, I participated in Operation First Casualty on March
> > > 19th. This was a mock combat patrol through Washington, DC in order to
> > > bring home the truth of the occupation of Iraq, because the first
> > > casualty of war is the truth. I appeared in my uniform, without my
> > > name, without rank, and without the patch that says US MARINES. I
> > > received an email of warning about possible violations of the UCMJ for
> > > appearing in uniform at a political event. Instead of ignoring it like
> > > everyone I know who has received similar emails, I wrote a strongly
> > > worded reply admonishing the Major who was "investigating" me for
> > > wasting time on such trivial matters. The text of that email is posted
> > > here.
> > > Liam Madden, Washington DC 3/19/07
> > > I soon received a package from the Marine Corps informing me of a
> > > separation hearing to re-separate me with an Other Than Honorable
> > > Discharge. A scan of the complete package can be seen below. I have
> > > sought private counsel for this hearing, as is my right. I intend to
> > > bring as many witnesses as possible to testify to both the character
> > > of my service and the nature of my involvement with IVAW. The Marine
> > > Corps only made it known to us today that the hearing will be held on
> > > June 4, in a mere 13 days. They have also decided to activate me for
> > > the hearing and hold it in Kansas City, home of the Marine Corps
> > > Mobilization Command.
> > > This case is important because the intimidation of servicemen who
> > > speak out will suppress the truth about Iraq. With the help of IVAW, I
> > > intend to fight this to the end and stand up for the rights of all
> > > members of our armed forces.
> > > Please support this effort by mailing a check made out to IVAW with
> > > "Adam Kokesh Legal Defense Fund" in the memo to PO Box 8296,
> > > Philadelphia, PA 19101 or by going here, clicking on "Donate Now" and
> > > including "Adam Kokesh Legal Defense Fund" in the Special Project
> > > Support window.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Adam Kokesh
>
> --
> --
> Usenetsaurus n. an early pedantic internet mammal, who survived on a
> diet of static text and
> cascading "threads."
Notice that the Commandant of the VFW has warned the Marines not to
take this too far or they may be stepping in something.
Anyone else remember all those guys in dress uniform attending
Republican election functions and fund raisers back in 2004? What goes
around comes a round.
BigRedWingsFan
"Jack Linthicum" <jackli...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1180887963....@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
You mean the ones who were admonished, relieved of command, or "encouraged"
to retire for violating the Hatch Act? Sure do.
>
Tankfixer
>
> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Zlm8i.973$Uy4.125@trndny09...
> >
> >
> > Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
> >
> > We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government. Too
> > bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
>
> Too bad you never wore one, I mean, other than the Girl Scout uniform your
> "Uncle Pedro" made you wear, otherwise you'd understand about military
> regulations, discipline and respect. You never "fought" for anything in
> your life. Now get back under your bridge, troll.
With folks like letoured guiding a public school district no wonder
public schools are in trouble.
> >>"The Veterans of Foreign Wars is urging the military to show "a little
> >>common sense" and call off its investigation of a group of Iraq war
> >>veterans who wore their uniforms during war protests. VFW national
> >>commander Gary Kurpius said trying to punish Americans for exercising
> >>the same Democratic right the U.S. is trying to instill in Iraq "is not
> >>what we're all about."
> >
> >>http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/132654.html
> >
> >>"Just a day earlier, VFW spokesman Jerry Newberry, asked about the Kokesh
> >> case, said the Marines should enforce its regulations against protesters
> >> improperly wearing military uniforms."
> >
> >
> >>> Mac, the Medic
Tankfixer
>
>
> You want proof lifer? I'll be glad to provide proof. Just sign a
> non-disclosure agreement good for 25 years, and agree that if its violated
> you concede a judgement for 75K.
Better than that. I will pay in advance.
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
There, now fess up chew toy.
--
Tankfixer
fir...@firelaw.us mumbled
> BigRedWingsFan wrote:
> > <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Zlm8i.973$Uy4.125@trndny09...
> >>
> >> Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
> >>
> >> We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government. Too
> >> bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
> >
> > Too bad you never wore one, I mean, other than the Girl Scout uniform your
> > "Uncle Pedro" made you wear, otherwise you'd understand about military
> > regulations, discipline and respect. You never "fought" for anything in
> > your life. Now get back under your bridge, troll.
>
> someone else does their political thinking for them. If these folks can
> shoot straight, follow orders and keep their mouth shut and kill
> whomever they are told to kill they make excellent soldiers. The risk of
> course is that they will think of these skills as having universal value
> ,or that skill in following orders confers wisdom in giving them.
> They do not. History is full of excellent soldiers whose "honor was
> loyalty". The interesting question for the United States is whether we
> want this kind of soldier. We don't like to think of our soldiers as
> being for example the same as the Wehrmacht, but when it comes down to
> it, we do equate following orders with loyalty to the nation. A
> democratic society owes a special duty to its citizens soldiers. It
> must tolerate a far higher level of dissent, or it is itself disloyal to
> the great traditions of a free country.
Vince trots out the obligatory Nazi reference.
IF you think those "marines" have a case then go defend em.
BigRedWingsFan
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.army.m> wrote in message
> In article <5cea9hF...@mid.individual.net>, m...@privacy.net mumbled
>>
>> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Zlm8i.973$Uy4.125@trndny09...
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for showing just how dumb right wing kooks like you are.
>> >
>> > We fought to give this man freedom to speak against the government.
>> > Too
>> > bad your morning brain never got what the uniform is about.
>>
>> Too bad you never wore one, I mean, other than the Girl Scout uniform
>> your
>> "Uncle Pedro" made you wear, otherwise you'd understand about military
>> regulations, discipline and respect. You never "fought" for anything in
>> your life. Now get back under your bridge, troll.
>
>
> With folks like letoured guiding a public school district no wonder
> public schools are in trouble.
I don't think you can call Turdlette being the alternate used coffee grounds
dumper for PTA meetings actually guiding a public school district but even
so I get your point.
Tankfixer
>
> Give up your bullshit --> fatigues without a patch are not a uniform
> asshole.
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
--
Tankfixer
> In <3au8i.415$tb6...@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, on 06/03/2007
> at 07:34 AM, Tankfixer <paul.c...@us.army.m> said:
>
>
>
> >In article <5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04>, leto...@nospam.net mumbled >
> >> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> >> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> >> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>
> >Actually the article states he did wear a uniform for his little
> >"protest"
>
> weren't a wannabee, you would know that.
If he was wearing old "fatigues" you might be correct. Since the USMC
hasn't used them for a number of years.
But he chose to wear the current uniform.
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>
> >>
> >> In <1363rod...@corp.supernews.com>, on 06/02/2007
> >> at 06:29 PM, "CAnnC" <char...@localnet.com> said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.army.m> wrote in message
> >> >news:LRg8i.17319$j63....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > In
> >> >article <1362g25...@corp.supernews.com>, js...@wedgesystems.com >
> >> >mumbled
> >> >>> i2p6 west wrote:
> >> >>> > can this be?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Are these new laws?
> >> >>
> >> >> Nope, the young SGT knew what the score was when he chose to try and
> >> >> grandstand.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> >And "Tankfixer" is correct on that; also since "Joe Schmo" is also in the
> >> > IRR it means he's not exactly 100% discharged as he can be called back
> >> >to active duty if needed wherever he is. I know, I was in the IRR, too,
> >> >and this is how it was explained to me, now that I'm 100% veteran status
> >> >(but grey area reservists, not yet receiving my pension until age 60).
> >> >Any military reservist/National Guardsmen with an IRR status is still
> >> >under the UCMJ, and Joe Schmo here violated that ruling, hence, he's
> >> >subject to the laws of UCMJ and the Marines have every right to deny him
> >> >of his "honorable" status for what he's involved in. I don't feel one
> >> >bit sorry for "Joe Schmo" - Disgraced-the-uniform-Joe should be his new
> >> >handle.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>
--
Jack Linthicum
> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Did these guys?
Political appearance with U.S. Marines
Musgrave (right) introduces uniformed Marines at political event
On March 3, 2006, Musgrave served as the Master of Ceremonies at the
Larimer County Republican Party Lincoln Day Dinner. During the event,
two uniformed US Marines attending the dinner were "honored" by being
introduced on stage by Musgrave. A photograph of one of the Marines
standing next to Musgrave was published in the Fort Collins
Coloradoan, and that photograph "touched off a firestorm from national
political writers and Web bloggers who say the party is using the
military as public relations props.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Musgrave#_note-59
Vince
> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:IyA8i.2854$fX4.1818@trndny03...
>> Give up your bullshit --> fatigues without a patch are not a uniform
>> asshole.
>
> In other words, you have no idea what military regulations say regarding
> this matter as it pertains to current members of the active & reserve
> forces. So very typical of you, Little Edie.
Here is article 802 of the UCMJ
please point out where it applies to members of the the inactive reserve
who are not in inactive duty training
If it doesn't apply, the regulations can't be enforced
Vince
802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those
awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment;
volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed
forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed
forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in
or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are
required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but
in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States
or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are
entitled to pay.
(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving
hospitalization from an armed force.
(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.
(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by
a court-martial.
(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and
serving with the armed forces.
(9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.
(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force
in the field.
(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or
may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons
serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the
United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto
Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement t which the United States is or
may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within
an area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the
United States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and
which is outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the
Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
(d)(1) A member of a reserve component who is not on active duty and who
is made the subject of proceedings under section 815 (article 15) or
section 830 (article 30) with respect to an offense against this chapter
may be ordered to active duty involuntary for the purpose of-
(A) investigation under section 832 of this title (article 32);
(B) trial by court-martial; or
(C) non judicial punishment under section 815 of this title (article 15).
(2) A member of a reserve component may not be ordered to active duty
under paragraph (1) except with respect to an offense committed while
the member was
(A) on active duty; or
(B) on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army
National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the
United States only when in Federal service.
(3) Authority to order a member to active duty under paragraph (1) shall
be exercised under regulations prescribed by the President.
(4) A member may be ordered to active duty under paragraph (1) only by a
person empowered to convene general courts-martial in a regular
component of the armed forces.
(5) A member ordered to active duty under paragraph (1), unless the
order to active duty was approved by the Secretary concerned, may not--
(A) be sentenced to confinement; or
(B) be required to serve a punishment of any restriction on liberty
during a period other than a period of inactive-duty training or active
duty (other than active duty ordered under paragraph (1)).
(d) A member of a reserve component who is subject to this chapter is
not, by virtue of the termination of a period of active duty or
inactive-duty training, relieved from amenability to the jurisdiction of
this chapter for an offense against this chapter committed during such
period of active duty or inactive-duty training.
Jack Linthicum
Sorry, ace, the military is not under the Hatch Act.
http://robins.jag.af.mil/Programs/etb/actdty.html
"POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY ACTIVE DUTY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES
Ethics Interactive Training
Members of the Armed Forces are not covered by the Hatch Act;
however, they do have to comply with a separate statutory and
regulatory structure. Political activity by members of the Armed
Forces on active duty is governed by 10 USC Section 973 and
DOD Directive 1344.10. Partisan political activity is that which
supports or relates to candidates representing or issues specifically
identified with national or State political parties and related
organizations. See the Joint Ethics Regulation §6-300 for further
guidance. "<more>
Colin Campbell
wrote:
>> Actually you make his point. There are some folks who prefer that
>> someone else does their political thinking for them. If these folks can
>> shoot straight, follow orders and keep their mouth shut and kill
>> whomever they are told to kill they make excellent soldiers. The risk of
>> course is that they will think of these skills as having universal value
>> ,or that skill in following orders confers wisdom in giving them.
>> They do not. History is full of excellent soldiers whose "honor was
>> loyalty". The interesting question for the United States is whether we
>> want this kind of soldier. We don't like to think of our soldiers as
>> being for example the same as the Wehrmacht, but when it comes down to
>> it, we do equate following orders with loyalty to the nation. A
>> democratic society owes a special duty to its citizens soldiers. It
>> must tolerate a far higher level of dissent, or it is itself disloyal to
>> the great traditions of a free country.
>
>Vince trots out the obligatory Nazi reference.
>
>IF you think those "marines" have a case then go defend em.
More informative is his ignorance of the US military and the fact that
the US military swears primary loyalty to the US Constitution.
Of course I notice that the liberals only support military freedom of
speech when it suits their agenda. The moment we disagree with them
they want us punished. (What was that editorial in a Washington DC
newspaper that wanted all of the soldiers who support what we are
doing in Iraq punished for telling their side of the story?)
--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.
Vince
They have more than adequate counsel. anyone who thinks a reference to
the Whermacht is a reference to nazis needs a history lesson.
Vince
i2p6 west
Ha Ha Ha!!!
Got damn! I love hearing you pricks whine. May the whining grow louder...and louder...
Ha!
Vince
Got a cite for this?
Dissent and agreement with the high command are not equivalent issues
it is easy to get subordinates to "go along" when they know that it the
way to "promotion and pay", or what the supreme court called the "pall
of orthodoxy"
what needs to be protected is the right to dissent
Vince
BigRedWingsFan
>http://robins.jag.af.mil/Programs/etb/actdty.html
Hey "ace", who's a fella to believe?
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45542
"Yes, there are. The "Dos and Don'ts" are listed under the federal Hatch
Act, originally legislated in 1939 and updated seven years ago. The Hatch
Act restricts the political activity of executive branch employees,
including DoD civilian employees, and the employees of the District of
Columbia government and certain state and local agencies. **Members of the
armed forces are also subject to Hatch Act provisions. **"
Tankfixer
Congress passes legislation.
The various agencies effected then have to write regulations to suit the
legislation.
Mark Test
news:Axs8i.13054$RX.1...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "BigRedWingsFan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:5cepb5F...@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> >> law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> >> has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
> >>
> >>
board
> > you allegedly sit on to read this for you:
> >
> > http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13427362/detail.html
> >
> > "He was photographed ***wearing his uniform*** with military insignias
> > removed during a mock patrol with other veterans at a protest rally in
> > April."
>
>
> let's see ;
>
> bush,cheney, limbaugh,and the rest of the gutless yellow cowards were
> photographed being unpatriotic, chicken, gutless, cowardly,stupid,
arrogant,
> corrupt,incompetent,war and draft evading,
>
You just described most politicians, including Bill Clinton.
> I say we prosecute them, find them guilty, and make them serve as
> privates in the 82nd Airborne,
>
Dumbass.
Mark
--
"The only thing worse than a politician is a child molestor"
--Sheriff Hank Pearson, Extreme Prejudice
--
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Mark Test
>
> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
> >
> >
> > Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
> > law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
> > has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
> >
> >
>
> the hillbillies see the tide of military support turning against them,
Right, one fucked up Cpl. equals support turning. If the Cpl
made it known he was on active duty, he's in violation of
the UCMJ...whether he was in uniform or butt naked.
Mark
Jack Linthicum
I think I'll go with the Judge Advocate General and the Office of
Special Counsel over the Armed Forces Press Service. There are
separate rules for military and Federal civilian employees.
http://www.osc.gov/hatchact.htm
http://www.osc.gov/ha_fed.htm
http://cpol.army.mil/library/general/faq_hatchact.html
UNKN...@uknowwhere.com
or was Billie more interested in Jonsies willie?
<Fat...@aol.com> wrote in message
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UNKN...@uknowwhere.com
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:oCw8i.3659$WE4.1013@trndny01...
>
>
>
> Fatigues without patches are not a legal uniform, asshole!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In <46621749$0$1341$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com>, on 06/02/2007
> at 09:10 PM, Horvath <Hor...@Horvath.nossepam.net> said:
>
>
>
>>On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:51:45 GMT, leto...@nospam.net wrote this crap:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't you people read? He was not in uniform. He has the right under
>>>law to protest. What we have is a right wing kook reaction to war that
>>>has been lost -- and never should have occurred.
>
>
>>Are you sure he wasn't wearing a nazi uniform, like yours?
>
>
>
>> Hor...@Horvath.net
>
>>My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
>>ultimate power in the universe."
>
leto...@nospam.net
>You notice how the love the Nazi thing can't get enough of it!
Yup. To the right wing kooks, anyone who disagrees with them, or worse
presents facts that make them wrong -- is either a commie or a nazi... In
this case its coming from a wannabee who won't get his war-monger ass to
iraq.
...And there asses wonder why I joined the USAF to avoid serving with
morons.
Mac
wrote:
><leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:JyA8i.2855$fX4.721@trndny03...
> What you mean is you don't have the BALLS to take me up on the offer. Ya
> coward lifer.
=====================
>No, cocksucker, what I mean is, if I really gave a shit that is, I would
>submit an SF-180 to NARA, but YOU are not worth my time & effort. Now,
>little girl, go fuck yourself.
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Hey, BigRedWingsFan;
That is certainly our little Mr. Eddie.
So ready to DEMAND of others what he, himself, will not do.
When he tried his little routine with his alleged attorney that he
would have, and he was offered the same kind of deal, he sure ran
away.
And now, here little Mr. Eddie is demanding such of others.
What a putz.
Mac, the Medic
leto...@nospam.net
Get over your bully games and bullshit mcdonnell. The fact is I never
said anything about an attorney. You however, being a crybaby, gutless
boob and complete IDIOT -->went running to one when I asked if you had the
money to pay me if I did go to one. You're not only an ASSHOLE, you're a
stupid one.
BTW, your idiot behavior here has forever negated any change you ever had
of suing me.
In <2vc663hn82gfu9oj5...@4ax.com>, on 06/03/2007
David R
"Tankfixer" <paul.c...@us.army.m> wrote in message
> In article <Wrs8i.13052$RX....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
> ho...@yahoo.net mumbled
>> the only ones who disgraced the uniform were the ones who wore it in
>> Iraq
>
> But are you man enough to walk up to one and say that to his face ?
> Eh Ho ?
why ?
no need to embarass them anymore, haven't they suffered enough ?
David R
"Mark Test" <MAR...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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really festus ?
Do you see me getting my ass kicked by a bunch of ragheaded teenagers and
girls ?,
the way bush,cheney, and the rest of the ignorant hillbilly fuckups are
doing
David R
> "David R" <ho...@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:gvs8i.13053$RX....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> <leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04...
>> >
>> >
> made it known he was on active duty, he's in violation of
> the UCMJ...whether he was in uniform or butt naked.
>
> Mark
take your losing, failing, loudmouth, ignorant hillbilly fuckup ass
back to the trailer park,
you peckerheads do nothing well except flap those jaws,,
now the hillbilly fuckup thinks he's a lawyer,
you're a loser gomer,instead of running that mouth, how about taking an IED
for
your goose stepping cocksucking, faggot, hillbilly leaders
when we get rid of all you LOSERS, maybe we can get some of those
Hispanics
to enlist and show your gomers how to fight the enemy rather then democrats
and each other
!Jones
Miss Rita
> You forgot to say "hillbilly".
Neaner Neaner.
Jesus H. Christ, this place is boring.
Rita, psychobilly
David R
<Fat...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 3, 2:34 am, Tankfixer <paul.carr...@us.army.m> wrote:
>> In article <5wm8i.395$NZ4.57@trndny04>, letou...@nospam.net mumbled
>>
>> "protest"
>>
>>
>
> And he and his buddies looked like damn fools waking down the street
> with make believe weapons on a make believe patrol. Been funny to
> poop a little M79 tear gas on their "patrol".
>
> These type peckerheads have always made themselves look like fools and
> embarrass me to boot. Fuck them.
>
> I love seen old pictures of Kerry with a fatigue shirt wearing his
> phony ribbons. The only time I've seen ribbons on fatigues.
>
> Bill Clarke
I'll bet you, bush, cheney, limbaugh and other assorted goobers, gomers, and
retarded hillbillies would look
hilarious with your fat ignorant asses playing army, eh Goober?
Jesus Christ, what am I saying ?, can't let these fool hillbillies near a
weapon, fake or not
David R
how come you stupid hillbillies always know everything but never do anything
but fuck things up ?
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David R
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Mac
Do make an effort to keep your rantings straight, Cuddles.
YOu stated you would hire an attorney.
That I should present material to that attorney.
I consulted an attorney here.
She stated that, given your posting history, and your sexist venom,
that I should have you post a Bond.
I would present the material to your alleged attorney.
Your attorney would simply state whether or not I was a veteran (and
not the "wannabee" you have made such accusations and present
absolutely no PROOF) and whether or not the two very specific
documents are mine.
Should you ever then use that material, the Bond would be forfeit.
That is what you ran away from.
Just as you ran away from presenting any PROOF of your many
accusations.
The bully here is yourself.
You lacked the courage and integrity to serve in Vietnam.
You have castigated those he did.
Unlike many in the Air Force, you have expressed nothing but contempt
for the GRUNTS and the LIFERS.
You are the one indulging in "bully games and bullshit" little Mr.
Eddie.
You are the one indulging in venom.
And you certainly detest anyone challenging you.
What a putz.
What a schleimel.
What a maroon....
--Mac, the Medic
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:08:42 GMT, leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>Get over your bully games and bullshit mcdonnell. The fact is I never
>said anything about an attorney. You however, being a crybaby, gutless
>boob and complete IDIOT -->went running to one when I asked if you had the
>money to pay me if I did go to one. You're not only an ASSHOLE, you're a
>stupid one.
>
>BTW, your idiot behavior here has forever negated any change you ever had
>of suing me.
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