The Sixties: The Years That Shaped A Generation on PBS Tonight

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Most PBS stations are carrying "The Sixties: The Years That Shaped A
Generation" tonight (9/29/05).

It's a 2 hour documentary, not shown on TV before.

Most East coast PBS stations carry it at 9:00, which is inly 45 mins
from now.

[Red Jacket]

Samo bullshit.
Let me know when they have vets with credentials
also making a comment.

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[marc...@yahoo.com]

Yes sir...we will try to do that in the future sir...sorry if we
displeased you sir.

At ease

[marc...@yahoo.com]

On a scale of 1 - 10, the show rated a "6", maybe a "7".

It was bad enough that Todd Gitlin repeated his tired old myth about
the antiwar movement ignoring Humphrey(when actually it was vice versa)
and smothering himself in his self-induced guilt for not voting in
1968, but then they showcased reptiles like Ed Meese, Bork, and
Buchanan, and finally they trotted out that old war criminal himself,
Kissinger. And that was indefensible.

[Greg Linscott]

marcus,

Just happened to catch most of that show and trying to compress the
60's into 2 hours is an impossibility. However, I did enjoy the music
and while I was anticipating the liberal POV, I was greatly delighted
to pick up great amounts of doubt, skepticism and indecision in all
those interviewed. They weren't sure then and they aren't sure now.

Greg

[Red Jacket]

This 60's retread marcus is a prime example
of a Nattering nabob of negativity.

I'd like to discuss VA meds in this group, but
we have cocksuckers like him in here fucking
the place up with his stupid 1960 horseshit.

This place is to help people and a asshole draftdoger
like this shit head is here to fuck things up.

I've axed Imelda my Gypsy friend to put a curse on you.
She said she has a special medical curse that will remove
you from bothering people.

I hope it fucking works, whatever it is !

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[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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People are sick of cocksuckers like you.
Go play a .45
>
> At ease
>

[Red Jacket]

"Greg Linscott" <grgl...@cs.com> wrote in message
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That's what drugs did to them.

>

[marc...@yahoo.com]

I was sure then, and am still sure now.

[Ken]

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Hell Boy, you ain't even sure if that your dick you're pulling or someone
else's.

[Greg Linscott]

sure of what?

[Marcus Aurelius]

Yes, the 60's and early 70's were a very exciting and dramatic period in
which I attended college, the University of Texas at Austin (graduated in
1968) and went to Vietnam 1969-1970. I saw it all and was in the middle of
the same, the protests, the war, flower children, the sexual revolution, the
civil rights revolution, and tolerance. The USA has never come close to
experienceing the excitement and color and drama of the same. I, really
miss that time!
I served with the U.S. Army;4th Inf. Div.;2/8th Inf.; RVN 1969-1970.
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[Don T]

Goddamn Compton-Shaw. Did we ever meet in the Student Union or down the
street at Martin's Come-Back Place ( better known as "Dirties")? North of
campus in the shit hole houses we rented? The apartment complexes where UT
Punch was flowing like water? At an SDS meeting perhaps? Nah. I doubt it. I
would never forget a fucked up limberdick pissant like you. Probably would
have beat your stupid ass within an inch of your life in those heady days.
Hook 'Em Horns.

--

Don Thompson

Remmy sez,
Count de Monet.
Unless, of course, you are Baroque.

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[marc...@yahoo.com]

Greg Linscott wrote:
> sure of what?

Sure that what we did in the Sixties was good, and pure, and right.

[Jan Jani]

Don T wrote:

> Goddamn Compton-Shaw. Did we ever meet in the Student Union or down the
> street at Martin's Come-Back Place ( better known as "Dirties")? North of
> campus in the shit hole houses we rented? The apartment complexes where UT
> Punch was flowing like water? At an SDS meeting perhaps? Nah. I doubt it. I
> would never forget a fucked up limberdick pissant like you. Probably would
> have beat your stupid ass within an inch of your life in those heady days.
> Hook 'Em Horns.
>

Ha Ha Ha!!!

ya fuckin irrelevant Crybaby Vet

Ha!

[Sheri Johnson]

Don T wrote:
> Probably would
> have beat your stupid ass within an inch of your life in those heady days.

Luckily, today you're in a wheelchair...and can talk really brave.

ya fuckin Crybaby Vet, and "patriot" coward

Ha!

[Greg Linscott]

Just what exactly did you do? Did you sacrifice anything? How did you
exert yourself? Did you risk anything? Did you sweat? Did you bleed?
Did you fight? What exactly is the nature of your noble deeds? What
ideals do you stand for? Did you venture out into the darkness? What
truths did you discover?

Greg

[lon...@sbcglobal.net]

Hey, Sheri...I'm not in a wheelchair. Wanna Dance? Or are you that
"patriot" coward flower-child who ran from all 100 pounds of me,
screaming "help me -help me" and hid behind a police officer so I
couldn't fed you your "baby-killer" sign (stick first) and pull your
filthy blond hair out by its black roots?

Donna

[marc...@yahoo.com]

The myth persists, see "The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory and the Legacy
of Vietnam" by Jerry Lembcke.

[lon...@sbcglobal.net]

marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> The myth persists

Myth, hell. I would have been a jail-house celeb and could have written
my own "Legacy of Vietnam" if I had caught her.

LOL

Donna

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Please explain.

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <1128734726.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 10/07/2005

>Please explain.

She thinks stopping Fonda would have won the Vietnam war...

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Really?!?

Jane Fonda used to have some credibility, but she's nothing more than a
Sixties Sell-Out. She was right about Vietnam, and yet she went before
quasi-patriots like the American Legion, and "apologizes" to them. For
what? She did nothing wrong.

I know that recently she came out against the war in Iraq, but it is
too little, too late.

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <1128786189.6...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, on 10/08/2005

at 08:43 AM, marc...@yahoo.com said:

>leto...@nospam.net wrote:
>> In <1128734726.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 10/07/2005
>> at 06:25 PM, marc...@yahoo.com said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >lon...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> >> marc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > The myth persists
>> >>
>> >> Myth, hell. I would have been a jail-house celeb and could have written
>> >> my own "Legacy of Vietnam" if I had caught her.
>> >>
>> >> LOL
>> >>
>> >> Donna
>>
>> >Please explain.
>>
>> She thinks stopping Fonda would have won the Vietnam war...

>Really?!?

Yup. The rightwing kooks here think people like fonda kept the
Vietnamese so encouraged that they kept going on and on, when otherwise
they would have just given up and surrendered. Kook is the operative
word.

The truth is we could not have won the Vietnam war without invading NV and
killing just about every man, women and child there -- The other truth is
that the American people, along with China and Russia would not have stood
for that.

[marc...@yahoo.com]

leto...@nospam.net wrote:
> In <1128786189.6...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, on 10/08/2005
> at 08:43 AM, marc...@yahoo.com said:
>
>
>
>
> >leto...@nospam.net wrote:
> >> In <1128734726.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 10/07/2005
> >> at 06:25 PM, marc...@yahoo.com said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >lon...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >> >> marc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The myth persists
> >> >>
> >> >> Myth, hell. I would have been a jail-house celeb and could have written
> >> >> my own "Legacy of Vietnam" if I had caught her.
> >> >>
> >> >> LOL
> >> >>
> >> >> Donna
> >>
> >> >Please explain.
> >>
> >> She thinks stopping Fonda would have won the Vietnam war...
>
> >Really?!?
>
> Yup. The rightwing kooks here think people like fonda kept the
> Vietnamese so encouraged that they kept going on and on, when otherwise
> they would have just given up and surrendered. Kook is the operative
> word.
>
> The truth is we could not have won the Vietnam war without invading NV and
> killing just about every man, women and child there -- The other truth is
> that the American people, along with China and Russia would not have stood
> for that.
>
>

Yes, couldn't agree with you more. It's really a empty-headedness
notion that one American woman, who went to North Vietnam was somehow
responsible for promoting patriotic zeal and energy to the people she
visited. They had it long before because they were fighting to rid
themselves of colonialism, whether it be the French or the Americans.
They were an occupied nation. People in that situation fight to the
teeth to rid themselves of their oppressors. Someone living in the
same country as the invading forces, is always viewed with suspicion,
no matter how altruistic their aims may be.

There's a vital lesson in what I've said above for today's war in Iraq.
The mis-named "insurgency" will not die until the Americans leave.
These people have nothing left to lose. They want us out. We are the
problem. And yet, the "empty-heads" still persist in blaming the
antiwar movements for "providing aid and comfort to the enemy". What a
damned stupid expression. It's their country. Mesopotamia ahas a
7,000 year history. I think the iraqis would be able to work out their
own problems without us there. They are, after all, adults.

And one more thing, why is there this prevalent attitude in this
newsgroup that if one was not an armed forces veteran, we should not be
posting here. Nothing in the description of this newsgroup says it's
for veterans only. isn't there a Vietnam War veterans ng set up for
that? I say to those who view non-military posters here as
interlopers...go to the Vets only newsgroup. Love it or leave it (Ha,
I've always wanted to say that!!!).

Of course, the real reason that many of the Vets who post here,
wouldn't want to post at an all-Vietnam Vets newsgroup is that their
comments would be ridiculed and put down by the many Vets who came to
the conclusion that America's war in Vietnam was wrong. They wouldn't
stand a chance. They wouldn't be able to bully others like they do
here.

[Red Jacket]

Oh man this rich. Gen. Edturdo and Gen Mark60 in a state
of nostalgia tell us how things could of been.

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[leto...@nospam.net]

No jerkoff -->we tell the truth aobut the Vietnam war -->It could not be
won. Learn to listen the those who think on their own.

In <c9ydnRHa-NA...@adelphia.com>, on 10/09/2005

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> Oh man this rich. Gen. Edturdo and Gen Mark60 in a state
> of nostalgia tell us how things could of been.
>
>

In one situation, the way things were...in the other, the way things
are.

Get real.

[Red Jacket]

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Time to get off that magic carpet ride and enter rehab.

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Time to get over yourself, and stop listening to Barry Sadler

[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Huh ? Who's he......?

>

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1128880357.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Red Jacket wrote:
> > > <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1128878054.2...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > Red Jacket wrote:
> > > > > Oh man this rich. Gen. Edturdo and Gen Mark60 in a state
> > > > > of nostalgia tell us how things could of been.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > In one situation, the way things were...in the other, the way things
> > > > are.
> > > >
> > > > Get real.
> > >
> > > Time to get off that magic carpet ride and enter rehab.
> >
> > Time to get over yourself, and stop listening to Barry Sadler
>
> Huh ? Who's he......?
>
> >

You can't be serious....

[Red Jacket]

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I never listen to that radio shit. I twice heard that fat ass Rush. GAMFB!
I was laid up in VA and some guy in there made me listen to his shit.
Bull.
I said put the music back on.
You like him You listen to him !

>

[lon...@sbcglobal.net]

Red Jacket: I used to listen to Rush when he first started. He was
funny and entertaining but after he became so popular - like so many
celebs - he started taking himself seriously and turned into a
pompous, self-absorbed ass. The only time I listen to his show now is
if I happen to tune it on in my car radio and there is a guest host on
- like Armstrong Williams, Tony Snow or the former mayor of San Diego
(can't think of his name right off). They are not only interesting and
entertaining hosts (especially Williams)but actually talk with numerous
callers of differing opinions.

Barry Sadler was a courageous Vietnam Vet (Green Beret) who recorded
the album "Ballard of the Green Berets" - which I have.

Donna

[Red Jacket]

Well that's me for sure !
My time is (has) been spent only listening to music, drinking
BEER and upgrading whatever new bike I have.

That's my brand new 1951 Injun now. Yippee !
My battery is here and after a charge I can take a mental health
therapeutic ride !
Oh, I like to get a little high from VA meds too...
I told Ed I did get a small hallucination from the Mirapex,
I did not see any colors tho........maybe I need to take more ?

I can't get into that rethreads problems and self hate since most
likely he broke his dads heart by being a stupid hippy loser and
who spends all his time watching Ed Sullivan shows.

Stupid hippy's want drugs ? Heh..be a vet I say and get free industrial
strength drugs and never get arrested for having them !

Anyway I now longer listen to those people, they just hope to be
outrageous and start some shit.
Me, I'm always outrageous and always start some shit.

PS; I don't know any of those names you posted other than that
Rush person and I don't like him.

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[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> I can't get into that rethreads problems and self hate since most
> likely he broke his dads heart by being a stupid hippy loser and
> who spends all his time watching Ed Sullivan shows.

What is the definition of a "rethread"?

I can tell you, without hesitation, that I do not hate myself. It
seems that when someone says something that confronts your
pre-conceived ideas, you accuse them of being hateful. In other
words,if someone doesn't agree with you, and points out the lies,
greed, crimes, and treason of Bush and Cheney...oooh, they must be
filled with hate. I've got news for you, we're filled with
facts...we're filled with the truth.
>

> >
> > Barry Sadler was a courageous Vietnam Vet (Green Beret) who recorded
> > the album "Ballard of the Green Berets" - which I have.
> >
> > Donna

Barry Sadler...asshole in 1966...asshole now.

Not exactly the role model for Americans.

[lon...@sbcglobal.net]

Red Jacket: go to sizemoremusic.com/sadler_history.htm

Donna

[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Red Jacket wrote:
> > I can't get into that rethreads problems and self hate since most
> > likely he broke his dads heart by being a stupid hippy loser and
> > who spends all his time watching Ed Sullivan shows.
>
> What is the definition of a "rethread"?
>
> I can tell you, without hesitation, that I do not hate myself. It
> seems that when someone says something that confronts your
> pre-conceived ideas, you accuse them of being hateful. In other
> words,if someone doesn't agree with you, and points out the lies,
> greed, crimes, and treason of Bush and Cheney...oooh, they must be
> filled with hate. I've got news for you, we're filled with

> facts...we're filled with the truth..

Where in fucks sake do YOU think I give two shits about Bush/
Cheney ? If any asshole moron here ID's with them its you !

Maybe you all held each others dicks in a draft exam room together
so you could be 4-f'ed. Well, Bush served so I guess you did not
hold his dick.
Hey, offer your old dick holding buddy a heart transplant.

Now stupid lets try this again.
I can tell you, without hesitation,that I do not hate myself. It
seems that when someone say something that confronts your

pre-conceived ideas, you accuse them of being hateful. In other

words if someone doesn't argee with you and points out that
they served in the US MILITARY they must be ___________?

Well ReThread ? What is it ? Now drop you dick and think.
Why is it you feel some need to hang around a vet NG and
harasses them ?

[Yaketyak]

what a pathetic nutsack you are..

you are so ashamed of your own history you have to rewrite it.. the 60's
were and are an embarrassment to the hippy culture.. even they adnmit it
except for the freaks who never woke up from their drug induced stupor.

The 60's wasnt flower children and peace it was all a lie promoted to feed
the ignorance of shitbirds like you who needed a cause to feel fulfilled in
your useless unimportant existence...

you were and continue to be the willing dupes of the world communist
movement and you still dont get it after all these years.. DUH !!

maybe you really are little eddies sock puppet... LMAO

On 10 Oct 2005 12:32:05 -0700, marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

->
->Red Jacket wrote:
->> I can't get into that rethreads problems and self hate since most
->> likely he broke his dads heart by being a stupid hippy loser and
->> who spends all his time watching Ed Sullivan shows.
->
->What is the definition of a "rethread"?
->
->I can tell you, without hesitation, that I do not hate myself. It
->seems that when someone says something that confronts your
->pre-conceived ideas, you accuse them of being hateful. In other
->words,if someone doesn't agree with you, and points out the lies,
->greed, crimes, and treason of Bush and Cheney...oooh, they must be
->filled with hate. I've got news for you, we're filled with
->facts...we're filled with the truth.
->>
->
->> >
->> > Barry Sadler was a courageous Vietnam Vet (Green Beret) who recorded
->> > the album "Ballard of the Green Berets" - which I have.
->> >
->> > Donna
->
->Barry Sadler...asshole in 1966...asshole now.
->
->Not exactly the role model for Americans.
"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, (I conjure you
to believe me fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought
to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that
foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican
Government." --George Washington

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Oh, I finally understand your confusion....you think this is
alt.vietnam.veterans. It isn't, this is alt.war.vietnam.

Of course, if you aren't confused(and a read of your past posts
certainly would show that to be a lie)then you are lying. This ng,
alt.war.vietnam, is not just for Vets, it's for everyone, regardless of
whether they were ever in the military or not. It is nuts for you to
be saying anything different.

Contrary to your feeble attempt to copy my post, I have nothing against
someone who served in the military. I do have problems with someone
who served in Vietnam, and 35-40 years later, they still think that it
was a noble effort, and that it was right for the United States to have
invaded that nation. It was a war based on lies...just like the
current war in Iraq.

[Red Jacket]

Fuck the 60's, my Pan was not exactly the most reliable bike !
Think of the other shit that you'd never go back to.

I want to know why he is here ? There are too many issues we
need to talk of. Like about Mirapex. What the fuck
does the 60's have to do with me ? That's the past this is now.
He get kicked out of some Beatles group ?

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[Red Jacket]

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You said it, now go away.

>

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Yaketyak wrote:
> what a pathetic nutsack you are..
>
> you are so ashamed of your own history you have to rewrite it.. the 60's
> were and are an embarrassment to the hippy culture.. even they adnmit it
> except for the freaks who never woke up from their drug induced stupor.

You couldn't be more wrong. Please give me the names of three
hippies(turncoat David Horowitz doesn't count) who now "admit" they
were an embarassment. I haven't rewritten the Sixties, it's the
right-wing-fundamentalist-corporate world who began a culture war in
the late 1970s and early 1980s, who rewrote the Sixties, to cast them
in a bad light, and obviously did a pretty good brainwashing effect on
someone like you. Think for yourself for once...the results might
surprise you. Stop being a lemming.

>
> The 60's wasnt flower children and peace it was all a lie promoted to feed
> the ignorance of shitbirds like you who needed a cause to feel fulfilled in
> your useless unimportant existence...

The Sixties were the greatest era of the 20th century, it was the
decade when a generation finally had the balls to question misguided
authority. Unfortunately, the people who have rewritten it, and have
you by the short and curlies, now control 90% of the media, and
entertainment industry...so you get this Sixties revisionism. Your
thoughts about the Sixties are proof of your thoughts being controlled
and formulated by these folks. Again, think for yourself...don't be
passive...ask questions.

>
> you were and continue to be the willing dupes of the world communist
> movement and you still dont get it after all these years.. DUH !!

There is no world communist movement...and there never was. What they
had in the Soviet Union was not what Karl Marx would have called
communism. Besides, haven't you heard(or don't they deleiver the news
to that bunker of yours in Idaho)Russia and Eastern Europe are no
longer in the "communist bloc". It was over thrown...keep up.

>
>
> maybe you really are little eddies sock puppet... LMAO

You are a puppet and a stooge for the Neocons...George Bush has his
hand up your ass and is working your mouth.
>
>
>
>
>
>

[marc...@yahoo.com]

That makes absolutely no sense to anything I said. Were you dropped on
your head as a child...try speaking plainly...you're obviously too
stupid to be speaking in subtle terms. Explain yourself
>
> >

[Red Jacket]

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I don't explain shit to you.
I'm KF this punk, its best we all kill him.

> >
> > >
>

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Yaketyak wrote:
> what a pathetic nutsack you are..
>
> you are so ashamed of your own history you have to rewrite it.. the 60's
> were and are an embarrassment to the hippy culture.. even they adnmit it
> except for the freaks who never woke up from their drug induced stupor.

You couldn't be more wrong. Please give me the names of three

hippies(turncoat David Horowitz doesn't count) who now "admit" they
were an embarassment. I haven't rewritten the Sixties, it's the
right-wing-fundamentalist-corporate world who began a culture war in
the late 1970s and early 1980s, who rewrote the Sixties, to cast them
in a bad light, and obviously did a pretty good brainwashing effect on
someone like you. Think for yourself for once...the results might
surprise you. Stop being a lemming.
>

> The 60's wasnt flower children and peace it was all a lie promoted to feed
> the ignorance of shitbirds like you who needed a cause to feel fulfilled in
> your useless unimportant existence...

The Sixties were the greatest era of the 20th century, it was the

decade when a generation finally had the balls to question misguided
authority. Unfortunately, the people who have rewritten it, and have
you by the short and curlies, now control 90% of the media, and
entertainment industry...so you get this Sixties revisionism. Your
thoughts about the Sixties are proof of your thoughts being controlled
and formulated by these folks. Again, think for yourself...don't be
passive...ask questions.
>

> you were and continue to be the willing dupes of the world communist
> movement and you still dont get it after all these years.. DUH !!

There is no world communist movement...and there never was. What they

had in the Soviet Union was not what Karl Marx would have called
communism. Besides, haven't you heard(or don't they deleiver the news
to that bunker of yours in Idaho)Russia and Eastern Europe are no
longer in the "communist bloc". It was over thrown...keep up.
>
>

> maybe you really are little eddies sock puppet... LMAO

You are a puppet and a stooge for the Neocons...George Bush has his

[Red Jacket]

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What the hell kind of talk is this ?

I haven't rewritten the Sixties, it's the
> right-wing-fundamentalist-corporate world who began a culture war in
> the late 1970s and early 1980s, who rewrote the Sixties, to cast them
> in a bad light,

Holy Shit !!

[Red Jacket]

He like vets, but not they where in a war.
Some no good corporation rewrote all of history ?
A so called '' Fundamentalist '' one at that. Now who
could that be Marc.

Who did this Marc ? What corporation ? I think I seen a
movie on that once, it stunk.

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[marc...@yahoo.com]

What are you 9 years old...do you put your fingers in your ears when
someone says something you don't wanna hear, and go " LA LA LA LA LA".

Gosh, you're gonna killfile me...geez, I might lose sleep over that
(read with very heavy sarcasm).

[Red Jacket]

I can't talk now a Fundamentalist is chasing me ! He's a biiig
one tooo.

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128986195.3...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> He like vets, but not they where in a war.
> Some no good corporation rewrote all of history ?
> A so called '' Fundamentalist '' one at that. Now who
> could that be Marc.
>
> Who did this Marc ? What corporation ? I think I seen a
> movie on that once, it stunk.

If you ever saw Dwight Eisenhower's farewell address, you might get an
inkling. If you ever heard of the Business Roundtable, that could be a
clue too. If you remember the Jerry Falwell/Ronald Reagan spree in the
early 80s, that might speak to you as well.

CBS---VIACOM
NBC--GE
ABC--CAPITAL CITIES
FOX--MURDOCH
CNN--TIME/WARNER

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> He like vets, but not they where in a war.

I lost my pocket dictionary of Pigeon English...could you please
translate?

[Red Jacket]

Contrary to your feeble attempt to copy my post, I have nothing
against
someone who served in the military. I do have problems with someone
who served in Vietnam, and 35-40 years later, they still think that it
was a noble effort, and that it was right for the United States to
have
invaded that nation. It was a war based on lies...just like the
current war in Iraq.

So what ?

[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128986571.9...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Red Jacket wrote:
> > He like vets, but not IF they where in a war.

>
> I lost my pocket dictionary of Pigeon English...could you please
> translate?

Soory
>

[Red Jacket]

No, I missed it.

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128986446.5...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> I can't talk now a Fundamentalist is chasing me ! He's a biiig
> one tooo.
>
>

You're running scared, bro, unable to intelligently respond to what
I've said, you try a little humor...very little.

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> No, I missed it.
>
In your case that applies to many levels.

[i2p6 west]

marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Red Jacket wrote:
>>
>>Well ReThread ? What is it ? Now drop you dick and think.
>>Why is it you feel some need to hang around a vet NG and
>> harasses them ?
>>.
>
> Oh, I finally understand your confusion....you think this is
> alt.vietnam.veterans. It isn't, this is alt.war.vietnam.
>
> Of course, if you aren't confused(and a read of your past posts
> certainly would show that to be a lie)then you are lying. This ng,
> alt.war.vietnam, is not just for Vets, it's for everyone, regardless of
> whether they were ever in the military or not. It is nuts for you to
> be saying anything different.
>
> Contrary to your feeble attempt to copy my post, I have nothing against
> someone who served in the military. I do have problems with someone
> who served in Vietnam, and 35-40 years later, they still think that it
> was a noble effort, and that it was right for the United States to have
> invaded that nation. It was a war based on lies...just like the
> current war in Iraq.

Well said.

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <19GdnW1MSOI...@adelphia.com>, on 10/10/2005

59% of the American people want us out of iraq NOW. Just like the 60s and
Vietnam. -->Get your rightwing ass over there now to take up the slack
for bush. You can drive a truck and find a roadside bomb for bush just
like the young guys! All it takes is some guts and shutting your mouth and
doing your job.

>> >
>> > >
>>

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <asadnfXjwd1Dbdfe...@adelphia.com>, on 10/10/2005

Seek the professional help you need to understand and change why you run
away from facts you don't like.

>>

[Red Jacket]

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:LSL2f.4697$RG1.1675@trndny08...

As for you, just go away.

> >>
>
>
>

[Red Jacket]

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:KSL2f.4696$RG1.36@trndny08...

Show me.
>
>
>
>
> >> >
> >> > >
> >>
>
>
>

[Red Jacket]

e

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:KSL2f.4696$RG1.36@trndny08...

I'd tie your ass and whoever is in charge of truck driving there on a
M-1 Tank and yes then I'd drive down any road.

You're as stupid as that person.

>
>
>
> >> >
> >> > >
> >>
>
>
>

[Jason A. Kaatz]

Sixties, the years that shaped a geneation of human garbage, drug addicts
and misfits in the antiwar movement.

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:viO1f.1617$Iq3.942@trndny01...
> In <1128734726.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on 10/07/2005
> at 06:25 PM, marc...@yahoo.com said:
>
>
>
>
>>lon...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>> marc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > The myth persists
>>>
>>> Myth, hell. I would have been a jail-house celeb and could have written
>>> my own "Legacy of Vietnam" if I had caught her.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Donna
>
>>Please explain.
>
> She thinks stopping Fonda would have won the Vietnam war...
>
>

[Red Jacket]

I or Yak could not say it better.

"Jason A. Kaatz" <jka...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_iS2f.13768$Fc4....@twister.nyc.rr.com...

[Yaketyak]

the only lemming here is you dickhead..
your response couldnt have been better scripted if the Gore campaign had
written it for you.. your willingness to believe in a cause has been duly
noted and your subscription to the anti American movenment is provided by
you for all to see.. like the typical useful idiot, fool or whatever
ragamuffins for the cause are called today, you have fulfilled your calling
to the enemy.. now go fall on your sword, you peckerhead, and serve your
useless existence for the better.

Al is right.. you have to be little eddies sock puppet, after he used it
for a rubber.

On 10 Oct 2005 15:54:27 -0700, marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

->
->Yaketyak wrote:
->> what a pathetic nutsack you are..
->>
->> you are so ashamed of your own history you have to rewrite it.. the
60's
->> were and are an embarrassment to the hippy culture.. even they adnmit it
->> except for the freaks who never woke up from their drug induced stupor.
->
->You couldn't be more wrong. Please give me the names of three
->hippies(turncoat David Horowitz doesn't count) who now "admit" they
->were an embarassment. I haven't rewritten the Sixties, it's the
->right-wing-fundamentalist-corporate world who began a culture war in
->the late 1970s and early 1980s, who rewrote the Sixties, to cast them
->in a bad light, and obviously did a pretty good brainwashing effect on
->someone like you. Think for yourself for once...the results might
->surprise you. Stop being a lemming.
->>
->> The 60's wasnt flower children and peace it was all a lie promoted to
feed
->> the ignorance of shitbirds like you who needed a cause to feel fulfilled
in
->> your useless unimportant existence...
->
->The Sixties were the greatest era of the 20th century, it was the
->decade when a generation finally had the balls to question misguided
->authority. Unfortunately, the people who have rewritten it, and have
->you by the short and curlies, now control 90% of the media, and
->entertainment industry...so you get this Sixties revisionism. Your
->thoughts about the Sixties are proof of your thoughts being controlled
->and formulated by these folks. Again, think for yourself...don't be
->passive...ask questions.
->>
->> you were and continue to be the willing dupes of the world communist
->> movement and you still dont get it after all these years.. DUH !!
->
->There is no world communist movement...and there never was. What they
->had in the Soviet Union was not what Karl Marx would have called
->communism. Besides, haven't you heard(or don't they deleiver the news
->to that bunker of yours in Idaho)Russia and Eastern Europe are no
->longer in the "communist bloc". It was over thrown...keep up.
->>
->>
->> maybe you really are little eddies sock puppet... LMAO
->
->You are a puppet and a stooge for the Neocons...George Bush has his
->hand up your ass and is working your mouth.
->>
->>
->>
->>
->>
->>
There are two kinds of Americans..

Those who are and those who claim to be

We currently have too many of the latter.

[Yaketyak]

must have hit home hard to get you punching that send button twice.. LMAO..

On 10 Oct 2005 16:02:15 -0700, marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

->
->Yaketyak wrote:
->> what a pathetic nutsack you are..
->>
->> you are so ashamed of your own history you have to rewrite it.. the
60's
->> were and are an embarrassment to the hippy culture.. even they adnmit it
->> except for the freaks who never woke up from their drug induced stupor.
->
->You couldn't be more wrong.

lies removed

"It is a very dangerous doctrine
to consider the judges as the ultimate
arbiters of all constitutional questions.
It is one which would place us under
the despotism of an oligarchy."
Thomas Jefferson

[Red Jacket]

Jay said it best. They were dirtbags and human garbage.

"Yaketyak" <Yake...@dontcomeback.gov> wrote in message
news:32dok1lqdq2ikc9mb...@4ax.com...

[Yaketyak]

except for one thing..
as true as it may be it applies only to a true minority..
it did them and does now.. the leftists are a minority but one with very
powerful allies in the media and govt..

but a minority none the less..
fuck'em to death with a rusty pipe

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:07:06 GMT, "Jason A. Kaatz" <jka...@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

->Sixties, the years that shaped a geneation of human garbage, drug addicts
->and misfits in the antiwar movement.
->
->
-><leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:viO1f.1617$Iq3.942@trndny01...
->> In <1128734726.2...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, on
10/07/2005

->> at 06:25 PM, marc...@yahoo.com said:
->>
->>
->>
->>

->>>lon...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
->>>> marc...@yahoo.com wrote:
->>>>
->>>> >
->>>> > The myth persists
->>>>
->>>> Myth, hell. I would have been a jail-house celeb and could have
written
->>>> my own "Legacy of Vietnam" if I had caught her.
->>>>
->>>> LOL
->>>>
->>>> Donna
->>
->>>Please explain.
->>
->> She thinks stopping Fonda would have won the Vietnam war...

[Yaketyak]

he sounds like a commune flunky who couldnt impress the dirty hippy girls
unless he sounded radical but was only faking it and they could tell.
hahaha!

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:09:31 -0700, "Red Jacket" <RedJ...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

->
-><marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
->news:1128984867.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
->
->What the hell kind of talk is this ?
->
-> I haven't rewritten the Sixties, it's the

->> right-wing-fundamentalist-corporate world who began a culture war in
->> the late 1970s and early 1980s, who rewrote the Sixties, to cast them
->> in a bad light,

->
->Holy Shit !!

[Yaketyak]

sounds a bit like rollerball with a powderpuff.

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:21:01 -0700, "Red Jacket" <RedJ...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

->He like vets, but not they where in a war.
->Some no good corporation rewrote all of history ?
->A so called '' Fundamentalist '' one at that. Now who
->could that be Marc.
->
->Who did this Marc ? What corporation ? I think I seen a
->movie on that once, it stunk.
->
->
->"Red Jacket" <RedJ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
->news:c6GdnQBVy8i...@adelphia.com...

->>
->> <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
->> news:1128984867.4...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
->>
->> What the hell kind of talk is this ?
->>
->> I haven't rewritten the Sixties, it's the
->> > right-wing-fundamentalist-corporate world who began a culture war in
->> > the late 1970s and early 1980s, who rewrote the Sixties, to cast them
->> > in a bad light,
->>
->> Holy Shit !!
->>

->>

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Yes, there are two kinds of Americans..

Those who know the truth and those who refuse to acknowledge it.

I represent the former, and you and other brain-addled cretins like you
are in the latter category.

[Yaketyak]

why denigrate your biggest supporters.. fool.

On 10 Oct 2005 16:20:46 -0700, marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

->CBS---VIACOM progressive socialist propaganda machine
->NBC--GE progressive socialist propaganda machine
->ABC--CAPITAL CITIES progressive socialist propaganda machine
->FOX--MURDOCH moderate propaganda machine
->CNN--TIME/WARNER communist propaganda machine

[marc...@yahoo.com]

It's pretty obvious that Yak and Red Jacket's maturity level never grew
beyond boot camp.

I want you to know that reading the crap you guys write usually gets me
laughing so hard that I have to be careful not to give myself a hernia.

The fact that two grown men can possibly believe the shit that you two
believe, and have been alive as long as you have is a testimony to
ignorance and insanity. You believe all these lies as if they were
facts. It's as if you've been holed up in Montana for 25-30 years, and
news of the outside world hasn't reached you.

There is no liberal media, fuckwads, the media is as liberal as the
conservative corporations who own it.

There is now wideworld Communist movement, jerk-offs, there never was,
and assuming there might have been...there is no more Soviet Union, and
the Chinese have become more involved in capitalism.

There was no reason to invade Vietnam.

There were no reasons to invade Iraq.

You people live in a whacked-out dreamworld, inhabited by boogie-men of
you own creation.

And it's a shame, really...what a waste the two of you are...you could
been someone...you could been a contender.

[marc...@yahoo.com]

[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129069822.6...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> marcus...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > You people live in a whacked-out dreamworld, inhabited by boogie-men of
> > you own creation.
> >
> > And it's a shame, really...what a waste the two of you are...you could
> > been someone...you could been a contender.

Ok, how in hell was *I* alone going to stop any damn invasion ?
Its all my fault ? Who told you I'm for it ?

>

[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129069641.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...

>
> It's pretty obvious that Yak and Red Jacket's maturity level never grew
> beyond boot camp.
>
> I want you to know that reading the crap you guys write usually gets me
> laughing so hard that I have to be careful not to give myself a hernia.
>
> The fact that two grown men can possibly believe the shit that you two
> believe, and have been alive as long as you have is a testimony to
> ignorance and insanity. You believe all these lies as if they were
> facts. It's as if you've been holed up in Montana for 25-30 years, and
> news of the outside world hasn't reached you.
>
> There is no liberal media, fuckwads, the media is as liberal as the
> conservative corporations who own it.
>
> There is now wideworld Communist movement, jerk-offs, there never was,
> and assuming there might have been...there is no more Soviet Union, and
> the Chinese have become more involved in capitalism.
>
> There was no reason to invade Vietnam.
>
> There were no reasons to invade Iraq.

******************************

I know that ! You are telling me something new ?

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Red Jacket wrote:
> <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1129069641.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > It's pretty obvious that Yak and Red Jacket's maturity level never grew
> > beyond boot camp.
> >
> > I want you to know that reading the crap you guys write usually gets me
> > laughing so hard that I have to be careful not to give myself a hernia.
> >
> > The fact that two grown men can possibly believe the shit that you two
> > believe, and have been alive as long as you have is a testimony to
> > ignorance and insanity. You believe all these lies as if they were
> > facts. It's as if you've been holed up in Montana for 25-30 years, and
> > news of the outside world hasn't reached you.
> >
> > There is no liberal media, fuckwads, the media is as liberal as the
> > conservative corporations who own it.
> >
> > There is now wideworld Communist movement, jerk-offs, there never was,
> > and assuming there might have been...there is no more Soviet Union, and
> > the Chinese have become more involved in capitalism.
> >
> > There was no reason to invade Vietnam.
> >
> > There were no reasons to invade Iraq.
> ******************************
>
> I know that ! You are telling me something new ?
>
>
>
>
>
> >

OK, let me see if I have this correct.

Are you saying to me that you were against America's war against
Vietnam, and are you also saying that you are against America's war
against Iraq?

Because if you are, you sure have had a very strange way of stating it
in all of your posts.

[Yaketyak]

damn.. I thought your kind had all OD'd or become dem college profs..

goes to show you that even derilect radical hippy wannabes have a place in a
country they hate.. there is no justice in this world anymore.

you'd probably drop to your knees and suck abbey hoffman's dick if he came
up from his grave.

On 11 Oct 2005 15:30:22 -0700, marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

->
->marcus...@yahoo.com wrote:
->> It's pretty obvious that Yak and Red Jacket's maturity level never grew
->> beyond boot camp.
->>
->> I want you to know that reading the crap you guys write usually gets me
->> laughing so hard that I have to be careful not to give myself a hernia.
->>
->> The fact that two grown men can possibly believe the shit that you two
->> believe, and have been alive as long as you have is a testimony to
->> ignorance and insanity. You believe all these lies as if they were
->> facts. It's as if you've been holed up in Montana for 25-30 years, and
->> news of the outside world hasn't reached you.
->>
->> There is no liberal media, fuckwads, the media is as liberal as the
->> conservative corporations who own it.
->>
->> There is now wideworld Communist movement, jerk-offs, there never was,
->> and assuming there might have been...there is no more Soviet Union, and
->> the Chinese have become more involved in capitalism.
->>
->> There was no reason to invade Vietnam.
->>
->> There were no reasons to invade Iraq.
->>
->> You people live in a whacked-out dreamworld, inhabited by boogie-men of
->> you own creation.
->>
->> And it's a shame, really...what a waste the two of you are...you could
->> been someone...you could been a contender.

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <vmcok1h2te87ig6bp...@4ax.com>, on 10/11/2005

at 05:52 PM, Yaketyak <Yake...@dontcomeback.gov> said:

>the only lemming here is you dickhead..
>your response couldnt have been better scripted if the Gore campaign had
>written it for you.. your willingness to believe in a cause has been duly
>noted and your subscription to the anti American movenment is provided by
>you for all to see.. like the typical useful idiot, fool or whatever
>ragamuffins for the cause are called today, you have fulfilled your
>calling to the enemy.. now go fall on your sword, you peckerhead, and
>serve your useless existence for the better.

>Al is right.. you have to be little eddies sock puppet, after he used it
>for a rubber.

The 60s ended 35 years ago yakyak. Its time you forgave yourself for not
being able to get any. Whats it like to be as old as you and a male
virgin? If you got out of the rent-controlled apartment you hide in and
visited sparky, I bet she would spread 'um for you. She has for everyone
else.

[leto...@nospam.net]

Put you ass where your mouth is red jacket -->Get to iraq and fight for
bush in the war you want.

In <2eqdnWbMZ_2...@adelphia.com>, on 10/11/2005

[Red Jacket]

You are a dirtbag.

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:omY2f.4752$RG1.1567@trndny08...

[Red Jacket]

<marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1129074490.5...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

So what ?
>

[Sharky]

leto...@nospam.net wrote:

>Put you ass where your mouth is red jacket

<translation>

http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar/

</translation>

[leto...@nospam.net]

What the matter red jacket; Angry at being told to "Put you ass where your

mouth is red jacket -->Get to iraq and fight for bush in the war you
want."

In <i7GdnRN7ur2lydHe...@adelphia.com>, on 10/11/2005

[Red Jacket]

You are human garbage.

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:xZY2f.2396$C62.229@trndny05...

[leto...@nospam.net]

sharky -- >Its really funny how you lack the balls to fight in the war you
want others dying for nothing in -- and object to having that pointed out.
Are all southern rednecks gutless assholes like you?

In <nomok1d60vnke5pm7...@4ax.com>, on 10/11/2005

[leto...@nospam.net]

What's the matter red jacket -- angry at hearing you're a gutless
rightwinger?

"Put you ass where your mouth is red jacket -->Get to iraq and fight for
bush in the war you want."

In <rN-dnV0pxpY...@adelphia.com>, on 10/11/2005

[Sharky]

leto...@nospam.net wrote:

>Are all southern rednecks gutless assholes like you?

You seem to be very interested in comparing peoples ass holes, turd.
Perhaps you should move to San Francisco.

[leto...@nospam.net]

sharky have the guts to put your ass were your mouth is; get to iraq and
fight for bush. Ooops I forgot. You're a wannabee who only claims to
have been in the service. You don't have any guts.

PS: I have several years to sue you for libel. And it cut and dried you
asshole. The only question for the courts is the amount of damages.
--You're going to pay me your retirement money.

In <qmook1dbic5n59oac...@4ax.com>, on 10/11/2005

[i2p6 west]

Jason A. Kaatz wrote:

> Sixties, the years that shaped a geneation of human garbage, drug addicts

> and misfits in the antiwar movement.

but it was a hell of a lot of fun (especially the sexual revolution part)

Thanks, Jason. How ya been, good buddy?

[i2p6 west]

marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yep.

[i2p6 west]

marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Yaketyak wrote:
>>There are two kinds of Americans..
>>
>> Those who are and those who claim to be
>>
>> We currently have too many of the latter.
>
>
> Yes, there are two kinds of Americans..
>
> Those who know the truth and those who refuse to acknowledge it.
>
> I represent the former, and you and other brain-addled cretins like you
> are in the latter category.

Ha Ha Ha!!!

There's a 3rd kind of American...the Elites (yaketyak likes to post about these).

Truly I never thought of myself as an Elitist until yaketyak started posting,
now I know there is at least 1 person that I am definitely superior to.

i2p6 west,
Elitist #385629

Ha!

[Red Jacket]

You're a dirtbag.
Keep this up and Sandy will not talk to you.

<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:a953f.4916$RG1.1976@trndny08...

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <11kppeo...@corp.supernews.com>, on 10/12/2005

>marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

>Ha Ha Ha!!!

We're all superior to rightwing kooks.

[leto...@nospam.net]

In <I9CdnbHIpvu...@adelphia.com>, on 10/12/2005

at 06:42 AM, "Red Jacket" <RedJ...@yahoo.com> said:

>You're a dirtbag.
>Keep this up and Sandy will not talk to you.

Gee how I wish! -->sandy, like you needs professional mental help.

[i2p6 west]

leto...@nospam.net wrote:

> In <I9CdnbHIpvu...@adelphia.com>, on 10/12/2005
> at 06:42 AM, "Red Jacket" <RedJ...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>>You're a dirtbag.
>>Keep this up and Sandy will not talk to you.
>
> Gee how I wish! -->sandy, like you needs professional mental help.

Yep. Seriously, not intended as insult.

(Red Jacket is getting help at the VA, but I'm sure his psychiatrist would
not approve of his participation in alt.war.vietnam...the flashbacks, man)

[marc...@yahoo.com]

Forget the right-wing cultural war propaganda about the Sixties. It was
a time that opened peoples' eyes, and an era that fell victim to one of
the most concerted efforts to diss it, based on the lies of corporate
power, right-wing powere trippers, and fundamentalist bigots.

[i2p6 west]

marc...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Forget the right-wing cultural war propaganda about the Sixties. It was
> a time that opened peoples' eyes,

It was a fantastic time, never to be repeated.

civil rights
women's rights
free speech movement (yep...college students! did not have free speech)
the war...that enraged us
question authority
the music!
sexual revolution
drugs
in a word...freedom! I felt it, and still feel it.

When I got to college, panty raids were the big thing. When I graduated, the
whole campus was in an uproar over the war and other issues.

>and an era that fell victim to one of
> the most concerted efforts to diss it, based on the lies of corporate
> power, right-wing powere trippers, and fundamentalist bigots.

After thinking about it, I agree with you.

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