Iran; is This How WW3 Begins?

[Bubba]

The most stablizing trend in all this is that Russia and China are
running to Iran's and Syria's defense, making any major military
attack against Syria and/or Iran by the zionists and/or by zionist-
backed proxy forces tantamount to attacking Russia and China, thereby
igniting World War Three and the Mayan 2012 "end of time" prediction
will have proved its worth.

Even if Russia and China were suddenly to turn their backs on Iran
and/or Syria, Iran is not without means to retaliate against the
"US/NATO" and allied zionist-occupied targets achieving wholesale
devastation. Russian and Chinese military intelligence are keenly
aware of Iran's capabilities, and that is the greatest motivator for
both Russia and China to defend The Islamic Republic of Iran at any
and all costs. You see, they like living. They don't want WWIII.

While having cut all oil exports to Britain and France, Iran is very
happy to continue exporting oil to any nation who is willing and able
to purchase it, but Iran is turning away from the undesirable "US Petro-
Dollar" in favor of non-zionist currencies, precious metals, advanced
weapons systems, and other commodities. And although the West have
reached Peak Oil, they must think twice before attacking Iran (to steal
Iran's oil, gas, and other natural resources) because all the oil in
the world wouldn't do anyone any good if the human species is extinct.
Devout Muslims believe that to die in martyrdom for Allah is actually
a blessing with great rewards awaiting them in heaven. People who are
not afraid to die can become very dangerous enemies, the kind of folks
who walk the talk that "the best defense is a good offense."

The wildcard in the rapidly escalating tensions which are pretty much
engulfing the globe is the regime in zionist-occupied Palestine. They
are so totally mad and blood drunk that "Israel" could attack Iran
without approval from their lapdogs in "D.C." (District of Criminals
and teleprompter-reading zionist gangsters), thus provoking all-out
retaliation against zionist-occupied assets. Iranian officials have
publically stated that Iran has a "few surprises in store" should an
attack on Iran occur. I doubt that Iran has nuclear weapons, but they
most likely have low-tech dirty bombs and weaponized contagions at the
ready. The right strains of virus, such as those top-secret level 5+
weapons of mass destruction being developed at the US Army labs in
Fort Dietrich Maryland, unleashed on busy travel hubs could do as much
to level the playing field as a global nuclear holocaust.

Even knowing this, the genocidal zionist psychopaths in "Israel" don't
care who lives or dies. They are that bloody insane and this is why
the rest of the world are so deeply concerned that "Israel" will
completely lose control and fire off their whole nuclear arsenal at
once without warning. Think "War Games: The Reality Series."

But if "Israel" shocked the world by showing sanity and restraint, a
nuclear war could be provoked by anyone with a radiological weapon.
Think of nuclear and biological weapons as the ultimate suicide bombs.
All it will take is a simple "dirty bomb" detonated in any major city
on Earth to frighten every nuclear-armed military into an itchy
trigger-fingered defense readiness condition of DEFCON 2. Anyone so
much as flinches, blinks, or make any furtive gesture, and DEFCON 1
would transform the surface of Earth into a charred cinder, a
smoldering sea of glass in which not even fossil records will survive.
The "glass parking lot" that everyone has been talking about.

So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

--
Bub

[David E. Powell]

On Feb 19, 3:21 pm, Bubba <Bub@ba> wrote:
> The most stablizing trend in all this is that Russia and China are
> running to Iran's and Syria's defense, making any major military
> attack against Syria and/or Iran by the zionists and/or by zionist-
> backed proxy forces tantamount to attacking Russia and China, thereby
> igniting World War Three and the Mayan 2012 "end of time" prediction
> will have proved its worth.

Actually, both have big investments and contacts in those nations, in
terms of China getting oil from there, both Russia and China having
business dealings there, and the antagonism between the Iran-Syrian
Gov't Alliance and the West means both Russia and China can probably
find stuff like ntelligence sharing an option with both.

Right now Syria's government may fall from within. Iran is doing all
they can to prevent that as their own people don't like the government
in Tehran, indeed Iran shot and tortured a lot of their own people in
2009 or so when the last election was exposed as a fraud. Amazingly
unlike the US with Mubarak they didn't throw their ally under the bus
and are supporting them.

The key if Assad is to fall is to do it before the moderates can be
wiped out. In Libya the initial push was from a lot of the people
within the Libyan military, which is why Khadafy started bringing in
mercenaries. Khadafy held out long enough for the moderates and higher
ranking military types to lose ground to the more radical Islamists.

In Egypt the initial revolt was supported by the young, educated
populace of Cairo. Now the Islamists threaten to take power.

Remarkably like the Russian Revolution, and hopefully not going that
far, where young intellectuals and idealists supported the cause early
and were eventually supplanted by hard liners and control types.

It may be a case of the sooner the better, as the sooner Damascus has
a change the more likely it is that it will be a more capable
government. Of course, there is also the point that almost anything is
better than Assad in Syria. At the very least if they cut the pipeline
Iran runs to Lebanon and other points west of Damascus, that will be
massive.

Also note that the people fighting Assad are all themslves Syrians.

[Bubba]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:

>On Feb 19, 3:21 pm, Bubba <Bub@ba> wrote:
>> The most stablizing trend in all this is that Russia and China are
>> running to Iran's and Syria's defense, making any major military
>> attack against Syria and/or Iran by the zionists and/or by zionist-
>> backed proxy forces tantamount to attacking Russia and China, thereby
>> igniting World War Three and the Mayan 2012 "end of time" prediction
>> will have proved its worth.
>
>Actually, both have big investments and contacts in those nations, in
>terms of China getting oil from there, both Russia and China having
>business dealings there, and the antagonism between the Iran-Syrian
>Gov't Alliance and the West means both Russia and China can probably
>find stuff like ntelligence sharing an option with both.
>

Military intel is a lot like oil, in that neither will do anyone any
good if the nuclear missiles fly or the germ warfare breaks out.

>Right now Syria's government may fall from within. Iran is doing all
>they can to prevent that as their own people don't like the government
>in Tehran, indeed Iran shot and tortured a lot of their own people in
>2009 or so when the last election was exposed as a fraud. Amazingly
>unlike the US with Mubarak they didn't throw their ally under the bus
>and are supporting them.
>

The "Greens" were pro-zionist, so whatever happened to them they
totally deserved, even if it meant rigging an "election" like the
zionists have routinely done in zionist-occupied lands. I'm no big
fan of any government or religion because they all seem to operate
in more or less the same way, "might is right" and there is no crime
that governments don't routinely commit in order to retain absolute
power and control over their terrorized and subjugated "subjects."

>The key if Assad is to fall is to do it before the moderates can be
>wiped out. In Libya the initial push was from a lot of the people
>within the Libyan military, which is why Khadafy started bringing in
>mercenaries. Khadafy held out long enough for the moderates and higher
>ranking military types to lose ground to the more radical Islamists.
>

I suppose it's like the old saying goes, the way that governments,
regimes, warlords, gangsters, banksters, corporate robber barons,
"Murder, Incorporated," ad nauseam, have always enslaved neighbors,
defeated enemies, undermined or co-opted competitors, is to either buy
them off or kill them off. Same as it ever was since Cain murdered
his brother Abel (not that such fables were necessarily true stories).
Once they get dirt on them, potentially useful assets can be cajoled,
blackmailed, bribed, or terrorized, into doing just about anything.

>In Egypt the initial revolt was supported by the young, educated
>populace of Cairo. Now the Islamists threaten to take power.
>

That looks more like a real possibility in Egypt than it does in
Libya. But "bogeymen" can be invented out of thin air if it suits
the interests of big oil, big banks, big corporations, big military-
industrial complexes, big egos, and so forth. For the past several
decades, Muslims have been demonized by the zionist-occupied West in
much the same way as Hitler and his buddies demonized Jews by adding
the word "the" in front of Jews, as in "the Jews." It's like "the"
Taliban. There is no one big happy family of Taliban, any more than
there is one big happy family of any group, government, or religion
you could name. It's like "the" Christians. In Martin Luther's day,
many Protestants and Catholics ended up slaughtering each other.
"Divide and conquer" is ever the rule and never the exception. All
groups are subdivided into rich and poor, the 1% versus the 99%. So
the best way to avoid such conflict is to be neither rich nor poor
and leave the 1% and 99% to duke it out till Hell freezes over.

>Remarkably like the Russian Revolution, and hopefully not going that
>far, where young intellectuals and idealists supported the cause early
>and were eventually supplanted by hard liners and control types.
>

Good point. I'm reminded of a quotation from the then younger,
less powerful and therefore less corrupt version of Karl Marx:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a
heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the
opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory
happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition
is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions.
The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism
of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

Too bad that even ardent disbelief in religion is itself a form of
devoutly-held, ergo religious, belief. I neither believe nor
disbelieve in government and/or religion, I simply want no part
of either because both are organized by and composed of self-
aggrandizing control-freaks. Perhaps J.D. Acton said it best:

"I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King
unlike other men with a favourable presumption that they did no
wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against
the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic
responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility.
All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise
influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the
tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no
worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it."

So it's not only the criminals that hold office, it's the office
that holds the criminals. The higher the office, the greater the
power and corruption. That makes the US Government by far the most
powerful and most corrupt government in the history of the world.

>It may be a case of the sooner the better, as the sooner Damascus has
>a change the more likely it is that it will be a more capable
>government. Of course, there is also the point that almost anything is
>better than Assad in Syria. At the very least if they cut the pipeline
>Iran runs to Lebanon and other points west of Damascus, that will be
>massive.
>
>Also note that the people fighting Assad are all themslves Syrians.

I suppose the whole world will find out how this is all going to
go down in coming weeks and months. My feeling is that all the
scripted saber rattling and posturing the West has been dishing out
against Iran has left the zionists looking weak and vulnerable to
the rest of the world, like a cowardly schoolyard bully who doesn't
back up his hollow threats with decisive action when the person he
is picking on stands his ground and doesn't back down. For over
three decades Iran has been looking the menacing zionist bully
straight in the eyes and they have not backed down. As they say
in high-stakes poker, Iran is "all in."

--
Bub

[Uncle Steve]

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:09:11AM -0000, Bubba wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, "David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 19, 3:21 pm, Bubba <Bub@ba> wrote:
> >> The most stablizing trend in all this is that Russia and China are
> >> running to Iran's and Syria's defense, making any major military
> >> attack against Syria and/or Iran by the zionists and/or by zionist-
> >> backed proxy forces tantamount to attacking Russia and China, thereby
> >> igniting World War Three and the Mayan 2012 "end of time" prediction
> >> will have proved its worth.
> >
> >Actually, both have big investments and contacts in those nations, in
> >terms of China getting oil from there, both Russia and China having
> >business dealings there, and the antagonism between the Iran-Syrian
> >Gov't Alliance and the West means both Russia and China can probably
> >find stuff like ntelligence sharing an option with both.
> >
> Military intel is a lot like oil, in that neither will do anyone any
> good if the nuclear missiles fly or the germ warfare breaks out.

Sure, but who let the vampires out? (On the Internet nobody knows
you're a vampire.)

> >Right now Syria's government may fall from within. Iran is doing all
> >they can to prevent that as their own people don't like the government
> >in Tehran, indeed Iran shot and tortured a lot of their own people in
> >2009 or so when the last election was exposed as a fraud. Amazingly
> >unlike the US with Mubarak they didn't throw their ally under the bus
> >and are supporting them.
> >
> The "Greens" were pro-zionist, so whatever happened to them they
> totally deserved, even if it meant rigging an "election" like the
> zionists have routinely done in zionist-occupied lands. I'm no big
> fan of any government or religion because they all seem to operate
> in more or less the same way, "might is right" and there is no crime
> that governments don't routinely commit in order to retain absolute
> power and control over their terrorized and subjugated "subjects."

Let's not forget that the mass media play a pivotal role in selling
government policy to the lumpen-proletariat. They are all guilty in
aiding and abetting the people's flight from the cold, hard realities
of the day.

I have my own personal story concerning the media's manipulation of
public sentiment. In their attempt to justify brainwashing the local
population with certain Christian "values" I have identified several
so- called journalists who deliberately inserted inflammatory personal
statements in their articles. Leah McLaren and Lynn Crosbie of the
Globe and Mail, in particular, went so far as to punctuate their
"trolling" with a personal appearance as I was out shopping one day.
I suppose that was merely to "advertise" their respective columns, and
perhaps to provoke bizarre correspondence as they were
air-conditioning their papers with suggestive snippets of my life.

Any pretensions that the corporate media are anything other than
willing lackeys to power and plutocracy are without merit.
"Journalists" today have the sacred duty of shoring up the official
lies of the government and to keep the sheeple ignorant and compliant.
Where it gets interesting is in the circumstances that make their own
personnel nervous for their prosperity. The Internet will make the
Globe and Mail obsolete, so where will journalists go? Will they,
too, succumb to wage erosion and the push to commoditize news into
meaningless soundbites, carefully approved for release by military
censors? If so, it will be satisfying to watch them join the ranks of
the poor. They said nothing when the government and industry
initiated the latest attacks on labour and individual prosperity some
twenty years ago. Now it is their turn.

I long to see Christie Blatchford begging at the side of the road for
a handout so she can buy food for her poor, poor children.

> >The key if Assad is to fall is to do it before the moderates can be
> >wiped out. In Libya the initial push was from a lot of the people
> >within the Libyan military, which is why Khadafy started bringing in
> >mercenaries. Khadafy held out long enough for the moderates and higher
> >ranking military types to lose ground to the more radical Islamists.
> >
> I suppose it's like the old saying goes, the way that governments,
> regimes, warlords, gangsters, banksters, corporate robber barons,
> "Murder, Incorporated," ad nauseam, have always enslaved neighbors,
> defeated enemies, undermined or co-opted competitors, is to either buy
> them off or kill them off. Same as it ever was since Cain murdered
> his brother Abel (not that such fables were necessarily true stories).
> Once they get dirt on them, potentially useful assets can be cajoled,
> blackmailed, bribed, or terrorized, into doing just about anything.

I guess that's just the way it's always been done. We know that the
human wreckage produced by the careful ministrations of the public
education system are insufficient to the task of administering
government affairs sensibly, so iniquity and war are therefore almost
inevitable. Forget planning and the analysis of current conditions to
arrive at a plan to move forward with civilization. Short-lived
humans can be sacrificed in varied crisis worldwide in order to spur
change instead.

It is sad only in that the cowards, shills, liars, and collaborators
in barbarity will momentarily prosper as a consequence of their
obedience to the dictates of warlords.

> >In Egypt the initial revolt was supported by the young, educated
> >populace of Cairo. Now the Islamists threaten to take power.
> >
> That looks more like a real possibility in Egypt than it does in
> Libya. But "bogeymen" can be invented out of thin air if it suits
> the interests of big oil, big banks, big corporations, big military-
> industrial complexes, big egos, and so forth. For the past several
> decades, Muslims have been demonized by the zionist-occupied West in
> much the same way as Hitler and his buddies demonized Jews by adding
> the word "the" in front of Jews, as in "the Jews." It's like "the"
> Taliban. There is no one big happy family of Taliban, any more than
> there is one big happy family of any group, government, or religion
> you could name. It's like "the" Christians. In Martin Luther's day,
> many Protestants and Catholics ended up slaughtering each other.
> "Divide and conquer" is ever the rule and never the exception. All
> groups are subdivided into rich and poor, the 1% versus the 99%. So
> the best way to avoid such conflict is to be neither rich nor poor
> and leave the 1% and 99% to duke it out till Hell freezes over.

When you get down to it, your average Muslim is about on par with your
average Christian. Ignorant and certainly uneducated; threatened by
strong individuals with intelligence, and both with an emotional need
to dominate women. Pathetic products of brainwashing and ignorance.
Each will imagine himself to be superior to the other when in reality
they are both peasants.

> >Remarkably like the Russian Revolution, and hopefully not going that
> >far, where young intellectuals and idealists supported the cause early
> >and were eventually supplanted by hard liners and control types.
> >
> Good point. I'm reminded of a quotation from the then younger,
> less powerful and therefore less corrupt version of Karl Marx:
>
> "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a
> heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the
> opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory
> happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness.
> To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition
> is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions.
> The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism
> of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."
>
> Too bad that even ardent disbelief in religion is itself a form of
> devoutly-held, ergo religious, belief. I neither believe nor
> disbelieve in government and/or religion, I simply want no part
> of either because both are organized by and composed of self-
> aggrandizing control-freaks. Perhaps J.D. Acton said it best:

Now you're just trolling. Christian plutocrats believe in religion no
more than you or I. What they do, however, is use religion as a lever
of personal power. I can only imagine the satisfaction that comes
from brainwashing the masses so that they do your bidding. Never mind
that the range of action acceptable to the brainwashed masses is
limited, clearly what is important is in grasping the reigns that
moderate the beast of the body politic. Self aggrandizing? Almost
certainly. But it must be the best that they can accomplish in this
world so why not? Cowards and weaklings.

> "I cannot accept your canon that we are to judge Pope and King

> unlike other men with a favorable presumption that they did no

> wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way, against
> the holders of power, increasing as the power increases. Historic
> responsibility has to make up for the want of legal responsibility.
> All power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise
> influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the
> tendency or certainty of corruption by full authority. There is no
> worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it."
>
> So it's not only the criminals that hold office, it's the office
> that holds the criminals. The higher the office, the greater the
> power and corruption. That makes the US Government by far the most
> powerful and most corrupt government in the history of the world.

The USG is no more or less corrupt than Canadian government. What is
surprising is that there is any function of government today that
works properly. That fraction is threatened by current policy and
existing political will but it is at least interesting to note that
some work of previous generations was fruitful. Perhaps the next
great crisis will allow reasonable people some room to maneuver and
thereby claw back some of the losses accrued by recent so-called
politicians.

> >It may be a case of the sooner the better, as the sooner Damascus has
> >a change the more likely it is that it will be a more capable
> >government. Of course, there is also the point that almost anything is
> >better than Assad in Syria. At the very least if they cut the pipeline
> >Iran runs to Lebanon and other points west of Damascus, that will be
> >massive.
> >
> >Also note that the people fighting Assad are all themslves Syrians.
>
> I suppose the whole world will find out how this is all going to
> go down in coming weeks and months. My feeling is that all the
> scripted saber rattling and posturing the West has been dishing out
> against Iran has left the zionists looking weak and vulnerable to
> the rest of the world, like a cowardly schoolyard bully who doesn't
> back up his hollow threats with decisive action when the person he
> is picking on stands his ground and doesn't back down. For over
> three decades Iran has been looking the menacing zionist bully
> straight in the eyes and they have not backed down. As they say
> in high-stakes poker, Iran is "all in."

The Iranians are loony. Surely the West will provoke the unstable
types in Iran to action, and not in a good way.


Regards,

Uncle Steve

--
I don't even want the Charter back, as it was clearly 'used' by a big
blue dude when he ran out of toilet paper. And the Criminal Code of
Canada is of course now officially listed in Jane's Miscellaneous
Munitions under the Anti-Personnel section.

[bill]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:09:11 +0000, Bubba wrote:

>>
> The "Greens" were pro-zionist, so whatever happened to them they totally
> deserved, even if it meant rigging an "election" like the zionists have
> routinely done in zionist-occupied lands.

Which 'Greens'?

And, being a Zionist, I'm interested in knowing which are the 'Zionist
occupied lands' because I'd like my cut.

--
"Hopefully the fair wind will resume, or this may well take all day."

Admiral Collingwood on being becalmed under the guns of six French ships-
of-the-line at Trafalgar

[Jonathan]

"Bubba" <Bub@ba> wrote in message
news:YGM19QGR4095...@reece.net.au...

>
> The most stablizing trend in all this is that Russia and China are
> running to Iran's and Syria's defense, making any major military
> attack against Syria and/or Iran by the zionists and/or by zionist-
> backed proxy forces tantamount to attacking Russia and China, thereby
> igniting World War Three and the Mayan 2012 "end of time" prediction
> will have proved its worth.

I think this situation with Iran is a smaller scale version of the rise
of Nazi Germany. I think everyone knows Hitler, like Iran would
use the bomb once they had one. And I also think the world is
grateful Hitler never got the bomb. So, support of Russia
and China today for Iran, is analogous to support of Italy and
Japan for Hitler. Their support only makes it more likely the
dictator in question sticks around long enough to build a few
big ones.

And we all know exactly where an Iranian Bomb
will go off.

>
> Even if Russia and China were suddenly to turn their backs on Iran
> and/or Syria, Iran is not without means to retaliate against the
> "US/NATO"

You're correct we shouldn't underestimate Iran, look at all
thr people Iran murdered in Iraq. But the US Navy has all
it needs times ten to handle Iran.

and allied zionist-occupied targets achieving wholesale
> devastation. Russian and Chinese military intelligence are keenly
> aware of Iran's capabilities, and that is the greatest motivator for
> both Russia and China to defend The Islamic Republic of Iran at any
> and all costs. You see, they like living. They don't want WWIII.
>
> While having cut all oil exports to Britain and France, Iran is very
> happy to continue exporting oil to any nation who is willing and able
> to purchase it, but Iran is turning away from the undesirable "US Petro-
> Dollar" in favor of non-zionist currencies, precious metals, advanced
> weapons systems, and other commodities.

But to barter Iran needs to have something worth trading.
They won't have anything left a year from now.

> And although the West have
> reached Peak Oil, they must think twice before attacking Iran (to steal
> Iran's oil, gas, and other natural resources) because all the oil in
> the world wouldn't do anyone any good if the human species is extinct.
> Devout Muslims believe that to die in martyrdom for Allah is actually
> a blessing with great rewards awaiting them in heaven. People who are
> not afraid to die can become very dangerous enemies, the kind of folks
> who walk the talk that "the best defense is a good offense."

The dictators fight to the last man because they've committed
so many crimes they can't give up power voluntarily. So they
take their people down with them. There's nothing noble about that
quite the opposite.

>
> The wildcard in the rapidly escalating tensions which are pretty much
> engulfing the globe is the regime in zionist-occupied Palestine.

The wild card is the Iranian people. Are they going to just sit back
and watch their Ayatollahs reduce Iran to the stone-age?

> They
> are so totally mad and blood drunk that "Israel" could attack Iran
> without approval from their lapdogs in "D.C." (District of Criminals
> and teleprompter-reading zionist gangsters), thus provoking all-out
> retaliation against zionist-occupied assets. Iranian officials have
> publically stated that Iran has a "few surprises in store" should an
> attack on Iran occur. I doubt that Iran has nuclear weapons, but they
> most likely have low-tech dirty bombs and weaponized contagions at the
> ready. The right strains of virus, such as those top-secret level 5+
> weapons of mass destruction being developed at the US Army labs in
> Fort Dietrich Maryland, unleashed on busy travel hubs could do as much
> to level the playing field as a global nuclear holocaust.
>
> Even knowing this, the genocidal zionist psychopaths in "Israel" don't
> care who lives or dies.

But the Islamic Extremists have proved they'll use the Bomb
against Israel the minute they get one. I think Israel can honestly
claim self-defense by bombing Iranian nuclear sites.
There won't be any world-wide uproar, more like a
collective sigh of relief.

> They are that bloody insane and this is why
> the rest of the world are so deeply concerned that "Israel" will
> completely lose control and fire off their whole nuclear arsenal at
> once without warning. Think "War Games: The Reality Series."
>
> But if "Israel" shocked the world by showing sanity and restraint, a
> nuclear war could be provoked by anyone with a radiological weapon.
> Think of nuclear and biological weapons as the ultimate suicide bombs.
> All it will take is a simple "dirty bomb" detonated in any major city
> on Earth to frighten every nuclear-armed military into an itchy
> trigger-fingered defense readiness condition of DEFCON 2. Anyone so
> much as flinches, blinks, or make any furtive gesture, and DEFCON 1
> would transform the surface of Earth into a charred cinder, a
> smoldering sea of glass in which not even fossil records will survive.
> The "glass parking lot" that everyone has been talking about.
>

> So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
> firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

The west will never let the current leadership in Iran get the Bomb.




>
> --
> Bub
>
>

[Jonathan]

"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:d5e9f134-0707-4c04...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

>Right now Syria's government may fall from within. Iran is doing all
>they can to prevent that as their own people don't like the government
>in Tehran, indeed Iran shot and tortured a lot of their own people in
>2009 or so when the last election was exposed as a fraud. Amazingly
>unlike the US with Mubarak they didn't throw their ally under the bus
>and are supporting them.

I wonder if Syria falls, will the Arab Spring quickly spread to Iran?
Are the Iranian people waiting to see what happens in Syria
before acting?

>The key if Assad is to fall is to do it before the moderates can be
>wiped out. In Libya the initial push was from a lot of the people
>within the Libyan military, which is why Khadafy started bringing in
>mercenaries. Khadafy held out long enough for the moderates and higher
>ranking military types to lose ground to the more radical Islamists.

>In Egypt the initial revolt was supported by the young, educated
>populace of Cairo. Now the Islamists threaten to take power.

I don't think we should be afraid of extremists getting elected.
Democracy tends to swing wildly between extremes. As long
as some kind of democracy is being built, the people will force
the extremists back to the middle eventually.

And the best way to get rid of terrorists is to turn them into
politicians~

>Remarkably like the Russian Revolution, and hopefully not going that
>far, where young intellectuals and idealists supported the cause early
>and were eventually supplanted by hard liners and control types.

>It may be a case of the sooner the better, as the sooner Damascus has
>a change the more likely it is that it will be a more capable
>government. Of course, there is also the point that almost anything is
>better than Assad in Syria. At the very least if they cut the pipeline
>Iran runs to Lebanon and other points west of Damascus, that will be
>massive.

>Also note that the people fighting Assad are all themslves Syrians.

WIth Russia it's almost a matter of national pride to continue
to back Syria. Russia can't accept the fact their economy is
closer to Mexico in size. And no one cares what Mexico
thinks.


The UN outta declare a 'Dictator Amnesty Day' or something.
Give all these assholes one last chance to bug out in one piece.


s

[Bubba]

I've got a sneaky hunch that the zionists are going to cancel
the 2012 "Z-I-O-N" Summer Olympics.

--
Bub

[bill]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:24:22 -0500, Jonathan wrote:


> I wonder if Syria falls, will the Arab Spring quickly spread to Iran?

I very much doubt it.

For a start the Iranians aren't Arabs, and if you suggest to one that
they are you could well get a smack in the ,mouth.

[bill]

How the Hell are the Olympic Games 'Zionist'?

And how on earth do they have control of them?

[SolomonW]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:06:01 -0500, Jonathan wrote:

>> So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
>> firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
>
>
> The west will never let the current leadership in Iran get the Bomb.

I wish I could share your optimism.

[La N.]

"bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jhviqg$p8m$3...@dont-email.me...

> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:24:22 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder if Syria falls, will the Arab Spring quickly spread to Iran?
>
> I very much doubt it.
>
> For a start the Iranians aren't Arabs, and if you suggest to one that
> they are you could well get a smack in the ,mouth.
>

That is true. My Iranian friends will testify to that.

- nilita

[Richard]

On Feb 20, 7:46 pm, Bubba <Bub@ba> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012, "Jonathan" <Callinst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"David E. Powell" <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote in message

Do you get some kind of residual payment every time you use the word
Zionist?

Rabble rousers such as yourself wore Brown Shirts in Nazi Germany in
the '30's.

[Jonathan]

"SolomonW" <Solo...@citi.com> wrote in message
news:n12z2fup0hwb$.1imu6turxt7di.dlg@40tude.net...

The reason for my optimism is that Iran's neighbors
appear even more worried than we are. If the Iranians
start spreading a few around to their proxies they
could go off anywhere.

[SolomonW]

Actually, it is interesting that the Saudis were not talking about getting
a bomb when only Israel in the M.E. had one, but they are now that Iran
looks getting one.

[bill]

And what's more Pakistan will certainly sell them one.

[SolomonW]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:57:35 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:59:16 +1100, SolomonW wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:26:28 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>> "SolomonW" <Solo...@citi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:n12z2fup0hwb$.1imu6turxt7di.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:06:01 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
>>>>>> firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The west will never let the current leadership in Iran get the Bomb.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could share your optimism.
>>>
>>>
>>> The reason for my optimism is that Iran's neighbors appear even more
>>> worried than we are. If the Iranians start spreading a few around to
>>> their proxies they could go off anywhere.
>>
>> Actually, it is interesting that the Saudis were not talking about
>> getting a bomb when only Israel in the M.E. had one, but they are now
>> that Iran looks getting one.
>
> And what's more Pakistan will certainly sell them one.

And maybe North Korea??

[bill]

Why on earth would North Korea sell the Saudis a bomb?

Alternatively, assuming I have misunderstood, why on earth would
Pakistan sell North Korea a bomb?

If there were ever two sets of tyrants who have no interests in common it
is North Korea and Saudi Arabia.

[Dean]

On Feb 23, 12:13 pm, bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:33:16 +1100, SolomonW wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:57:35 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:59:16 +1100, SolomonW wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:26:28 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>

> >>>> "SolomonW" <Solom...@citi.com> wrote in message

> >>>>news:n12z2fup0hwb$.1imu6turxt7di.dlg@40tude.net...
> >>>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:06:01 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
> >>>>>>> firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
>
> >>>>>> The west will never let the current leadership in Iran get the
> >>>>>> Bomb.
>
> >>>>> I wish I could share your optimism.
>
> >>>> The reason for my optimism is that Iran's neighbors appear even more
> >>>> worried than we are. If the Iranians start spreading a few around to
> >>>> their proxies they could go off anywhere.
>
> >>> Actually, it is interesting that the Saudis were not talking about
> >>> getting a bomb when only Israel in the M.E. had one, but they are now
> >>> that Iran looks getting one.
>
> >> And what's more Pakistan will certainly sell them one.
>
> > And maybe North Korea??
>
> Why on earth would North Korea sell the Saudis a bomb?
>
> Alternatively,  assuming I have misunderstood,  why on earth would
> Pakistan sell North Korea a bomb?
>
> If there were ever two sets of tyrants who have no interests in common it
> is  North Korea and Saudi Arabia.
>
> --
> "Hopefully the fair wind will resume, or this may well take all day."
>
> Admiral Collingwood on being becalmed under the guns of six French ships-
> of-the-line at Trafalgar

The logical answer to both of your questions is money.

[bill]

> The logical answer to both of your questions is money.

Well no, North Korea hasn't got any.

[Jonathan]

"SolomonW" <Solo...@citi.com> wrote in message

news:qku1zijterun.19...@40tude.net...

I still can't believe we live in a time with kings, and monarchs
and all that. Surprised we don't have a couple of countries
being run by Wizards~





s

[Dean Markley]

Hence, they SELL a weapon for MONEY?

[David E. Powell]

On Feb 23, 12:13 pm, bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 22:33:16 +1100, SolomonW wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:57:35 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 00:59:16 +1100, SolomonW wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:26:28 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>

> >>>> "SolomonW" <Solom...@citi.com> wrote in message

> >>>>news:n12z2fup0hwb$.1imu6turxt7di.dlg@40tude.net...
> >>>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:06:01 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
> >>>>>>> firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
>
> >>>>>> The west will never let the current leadership in Iran get the
> >>>>>> Bomb.
>
> >>>>> I wish I could share your optimism.
>
> >>>> The reason for my optimism is that Iran's neighbors appear even more
> >>>> worried than we are. If the Iranians start spreading a few around to
> >>>> their proxies they could go off anywhere.
>
> >>> Actually, it is interesting that the Saudis were not talking about
> >>> getting a bomb when only Israel in the M.E. had one, but they are now
> >>> that Iran looks getting one.
>
> >> And what's more Pakistan will certainly sell them one.
>
> > And maybe North Korea??
>
> Why on earth would North Korea sell the Saudis a bomb?
>
> Alternatively,  assuming I have misunderstood,  why on earth would
> Pakistan sell North Korea a bomb?
>
> If there were ever two sets of tyrants who have no interests in common it
> is  North Korea and Saudi Arabia.

Having plenty of cash I am sure the Saudis would find help, and given
how important they are to the West in terms of relations, it would be
even harder to stop them.

If Iran gets a nuke, the Saudis and several other Gulf states would
want their own. It would put their allies in the west in a sticky
position. I would guess that extending the nuclear "umbrella" over
them would be the first option but if the locals still want their own
atomic weapons it gets really dicey.

Certain nations outside the west might see an opportunity to make new
friends and nations inside the west might also differ on whether to
help the Saudis and other folks get weapons, and how much to help
them.

Of course Iran could also fire one or more nuclear weapons off before
any of that can happen, too. You don't need pinpoint accuracy with
nuclear weapons either.

David

[bill]

The Saudis would just lean on Pakistan for a couple of bombs and Pakistan
would have very little room to manoeuvre. They're already in hock to the
Saudis who have more or less bought up half the country, pay most of the
clergy in the mosques (That's why their Wahhabi nonsense is so prevalent
in Pakistan) and are busy driving out the ancient and reasonably non
violent Sufi sect.

[SolomonW]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 18:56:44 -0500, Jonathan wrote:

> "SolomonW" <Solo...@citi.com> wrote in message
> news:qku1zijterun.19...@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:26:28 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>> "SolomonW" <Solo...@citi.com> wrote in message
>>> news:n12z2fup0hwb$.1imu6turxt7di.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:06:01 -0500, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So when you see the bright flash, duck and cover, place your head
>>>>>> firmly between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The west will never let the current leadership in Iran get the Bomb.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could share your optimism.
>>>
>>>
>>> The reason for my optimism is that Iran's neighbors
>>> appear even more worried than we are. If the Iranians
>>> start spreading a few around to their proxies they
>>> could go off anywhere.
>>
>> Actually, it is interesting that the Saudis were not talking about getting
>> a bomb when only Israel in the M.E. had one, but they are now that Iran
>> looks getting one.
>
>
> I still can't believe we live in a time with kings, and monarchs
> and all that. Surprised we don't have a couple of countries
> being run by Wizards~
>
>
>
>
>
> s

I am British and we have a Queen.

[Andrew Swallow]

On 25/02/2012 16:29, Anonymous wrote:
>
> Isn't it you're a queen and british?

Hi poof. Takes one to know one.

[ala]

"bill" <black...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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\

>
> The Saudis would just lean on Pakistan for a couple of bombs and Pakistan
> would have very little room to manoeuvre. They're already in hock to the
> Saudis who have more or less bought up half the country, pay most of the
> clergy in the mosques (That's why their Wahhabi nonsense is so prevalent
> in Pakistan) and are busy driving out the ancient and reasonably non
> violent Sufi sect.
>

minimalist (mediocre)
(6/7/02)
this is all
i could
come up with

nothing more

-Derek del Barrio