North Korea Admits It Has Nuclear Weapons
Bunn E. Rabbit
So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims' willing to buy. And all
those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
a couple of bucks.
--
Keith
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050210/D885GP1G1.html
North Korea Admits It Has Nuclear Weapons
Feb 10, 2:25 AM (ET)
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea publicly admitted Thursday for
the first time that it has nuclear weapons, and said it wouldn't
return to six-nation talks aimed at getting it to abandon its nuclear
ambitions
Diplomats have said that North Korea has acknowledged having nuclear
arms in private talks, but this is the first time the communist
government has said so directly to the public.
"We had already taken the resolute action of pulling out of the
(Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty) and have manufactured nukes for
self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's ever-more
undisguised policy to isolate and stifle the DPRK," the North Korean
Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean
Central News Agency.
DPRK refers to the country's official name, the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea.
North Korea's "nuclear weapons will remain (a) nuclear deterrent for
self-defense under any circumstances," the ministry said. "The present
reality proves that only powerful strength can protect justice and
truth."
Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia
have held three rounds of talks in Beijing aimed at persuading the
North to abandon nuclear weapons development in return for economic
and diplomatic rewards. But no significant progress has been made.
A fourth round scheduled for September was canceled when North Korea
refused to attend, citing what it called a "hostile" U.S. policy.
Thursday's statement came after President Bush started his second term
last month by refraining from direct criticism of North Korea -
raising hopes that the North would return to the stalled nuclear
talks. But North Korea said it had little hope for improved ties
during Bush's second term office.
"We have wanted the six-party talks but we are compelled to suspend
our participation in the talks for an indefinite period till we have
recognized that there is justification for us to attend the talks,"
the North said Thursday.
North Korea said it came to its decision because "the U.S. disclosed
its attempt to topple the political system in the DPRK at any cost,
threatening it with a nuclear stick."
Still, North Korea said it retained its "principled stand to solve the
issue through dialogue and negotiations and its ultimate goal to
denuclearize the Korean Peninsula remain unchanged."
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mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
dprk has had a closed border since 1952 or so
> cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims' willing to buy. And all
> those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
> slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
how much does dprk export to the usa?
dprk doesnt need to use ships
they have missiles that can reach pacific coasts cities
(thanks shrub)
while shrub would undoubtably delight in the nuking of political opponents
in california and washington
i think somebody should inform the dingdong in chief
that at these latitudes fallout travels west to east
so we get the quick burn
and red states get the slow rot
> Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
> what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
> a couple of bucks.
the usa doesnt have a trade relation with dprk
shrub wanted to have a frightening but ultimately threatless dprk
to justify his starwars boondoggle
now thanks to his skillful diplomacy
we got a frightenning and realistically threatening dprk
and his missile shield is as phony and useless as it always was and will be
i wonder when iran withdraws from npt
arf meow arf
cthulu loves you
he loves the little children
with ketchup please
Tiny Human Ferret
> So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
> cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims' willing to buy. And all
> those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
> slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
> Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
> what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
> a couple of bucks.
>
> --
> Keith
>
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050210/D885GP1G1.html
>
> North Korea Admits It Has Nuclear Weapons
>
> Feb 10, 2:25 AM (ET)
>
> SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea publicly admitted Thursday for
> the first time that it has nuclear weapons, and said it wouldn't
> return to six-nation talks aimed at getting it to abandon its nuclear
> ambitions
Nuke them.
Nuke them right NOW.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
On-Liner
"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>
> Nuke them.
>
> Nuke them right NOW.
>
When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise that
countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the first
place.
:-/
Tiny Human Ferret
The DPRK has done nothing other than stall for time. It has no intention
of doing anything other than developing a nuclear arsenal and nuking
Japan, bullying South Korea, and sneaking nuclear mines into the major
cities of the USA. It declared that this nuclear mining of the USA was
its goal, almost two years ago.
Why wait. "Clear and present danger".
Gunner
So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
Seriously.
Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
away from him?
Gunner
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"
Bob Brock
wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:53 -0000, "On-Liner"
><peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>
>>>
>>> Nuke them.
>>>
>>> Nuke them right NOW.
>>>
>>
>>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise that
>>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the first
>>place.
>>
>>:-/
>>
>So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>
>Seriously.
Have you suddenly changed into a gun control advocate? This is indeed
a new twist to your mental illness.
>
>Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>away from him?
What will you do when they take your guns....gummer?
On-Liner
"Gunner" wrote
> "On-Liner" wrote:
> >"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
> >>
> >> Nuke them.
> >>
> >> Nuke them right NOW.
> >>
> >
> >When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
that
> >countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
first
> >place.
> >
> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>
> Seriously.
>
> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
> away from him?
There is a vast difference between the police "taking the dangerous stuff
away" and starting a nuclear war that could easily escalate into TEOTWAWKI
for all of us.
Besides, the rest of the world has lived next door to the US for long enough
to get used to the idea. ;-)
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Gunner <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>
> Seriously.
>
> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
> away from him?
oh lordy
from a second amendment freak as well
David Goldberg
"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote:
> So, still think open borders is a good thing?
Hey genius, North Korea has *closed* borders.
Not coincedentally, they're also one of the poorest nations on Earth.
ze...@hotmail.com
Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
> On-Liner wrote:
> > "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
> >
> >
> >>Nuke them.
> >>
> >>Nuke them right NOW.
> >>
> >
> >
> > When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little
surprise that
> > countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in
the first
> > place.
>
> The DPRK has done nothing other than stall for time. It has no
intention
> of doing anything other than developing a nuclear arsenal and nuking
> Japan, bullying South Korea, and sneaking nuclear mines into the
major
> cities of the USA. It declared that this nuclear mining of the USA
was
> its goal, almost two years ago.
>
> Why wait. "Clear and present danger".
>
Do you, like, have to step on a nuclear mine to explode? :P
Tiny Human Ferret
> Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>
>> On-Liner wrote:
>>
>>> "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nuke them.
>>>>
>>>> Nuke them right NOW.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little
>>> surprise that
>>> countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in
>>> the first
>>> place.
>>
>>
>>
>> The DPRK has done nothing other than stall for time. It has no
>> intention of doing anything other than developing a nuclear arsenal
>> and nuking Japan, bullying South Korea, and sneaking nuclear mines
>> into the major cities of the USA. It declared that this nuclear mining
>> of the USA was its goal, almost two years ago.
>>
>> Why wait. "Clear and present danger".
>>
>
>
> Aspen Hill, Maryland. You planning to lead the charge into North Korea?
We use ICBMs for that sort of thing.
Only idiots under UN direction would even try a ground war in Korea.
Did I mention that HR 418 passed? No more DLs for illegal aliens!
Wahoo!
Go cry in your warm milk, loser.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In article <kd2n01tbv0deegk01...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>
>>So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>>having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>
>>Seriously.
>>
>>Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>>away from him?
>
>
> oh lordy
>
> from a second amendment freak as well
The Second Amendment may be thought to exclude the dangerously insane
from having rights to keep and bear Arms. Felons certainly haven't any
such right, nor have minors.
MrKrabbs
"On-Liner" <peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote in message
news:371b73F...@individual.net...
What the fuck? You gotta be kidding, right?
Moderate Mammal
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote:
>
>> So, still think open borders is a good thing?
>
>Hey genius, North Korea has *closed* borders.
>
Yes, we can close the North Korean border aka the DMZ but not our own.
Genius.
--
Keith
>Not coincedentally, they're also one of the poorest nations on Earth.
rb
[snip]
alternately you might consider the following.
It wasn't that long ago that the dprk was carrying on about their
nuclear program and how they'd be willing to trade it for x billion in
aid from the US. Last week it's Iran's turn to be the nuclear bogie
boys. DPRK start feeling lonely because they aren't the ones in the
spotlight and come out with this belligerent announcement.
Maybe you should do a little research into political and military
philosophies. Most countries that are generally accepted as having
nuclear weapons say VERY little about having them. Which then begs the
question - why would a country come out and volunteer such information?
The country is still experiencing a famine
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/emergency/KP_FAM.htm
"SEOUL, Jan 24 (Reuters) - North Korea has cut daily food rations to 250
grams (8.8 ounce) per person, just half the minimum daily energy
requirement, officials from the World Food Programme said on Monday."
Note the date 24 Jan 2005 03:34:16 GMT
Source: Reuters
Now I wonder why they might want to get their biggest negotiable asset
back into focus??
rb
Moderate Mammal
<peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
A civilized world have taken action against such a barbaric regime a
long time ago. And I sure Kim reads Usenet and decided to build nukes
because of Ferret's postings. How freaking goofy.
--
Keith
Moderate Mammal
<piedty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>> On-Liner wrote:
>>
>>> "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nuke them.
>>>>
>>>> Nuke them right NOW.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>>> that
>>> countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>>> first
>>> place.
>>
>>
>> The DPRK has done nothing other than stall for time. It has no intention
>> of doing anything other than developing a nuclear arsenal and nuking
>> Japan, bullying South Korea, and sneaking nuclear mines into the major
>> cities of the USA. It declared that this nuclear mining of the USA was
>> its goal, almost two years ago.
>>
>> Why wait. "Clear and present danger".
>>
>
>
>Cripes, you don't have the cojones to clean up your own neighborhood in
>Aspen Hill, Maryland. You planning to lead the charge into North Korea?
Please share with us Harry your plan to neutralize the threat.
--
Keith
Moderate Mammal
<peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" wrote
>> "On-Liner" wrote:
>> >"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>> >>
>> >> Nuke them.
>> >>
>> >> Nuke them right NOW.
>> >>
>> >
>> >When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>that
>> >countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>first
>> >place.
>> >
>> So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>> away from him?
>
>There is a vast difference between the police "taking the dangerous stuff
>away" and starting a nuclear war that could easily escalate into TEOTWAWKI
>for all of us.
Juxtaposed with Kim selling a nuke to al Queda and having a western go
Kaboom?
>
>Besides, the rest of the world has lived next door to the US for long enough
>to get used to the idea. ;-)
>
You equate the US with North Korea?
--
Keith
Moderate Mammal
greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <kd2n01tbv0deegk01...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>> away from him?
>
>oh lordy
>
>from a second amendment freak as well
>
You're both wrong. The Second Amendment doesn't mention nukes?
hth
--
Keith
>arf meow arf
>
>cthulu loves you
>he loves the little children
>with ketchup please
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True Time
"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message :
> You equate the US with North Korea?
To do so would be completely unfair.
North Korea hasn't done this:
True Time
"MrKrabbs" <mrkr...@patty.com> wrote in message
news:110nopk...@corp.supernews.com...
Nobody country wants to end up like this:
http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
Reality Check time, whether you like it or not.
And guess who is going to pay the bill?
Got your fallout shelter ready?
True Time
"Bunn E. Rabbit" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
news:1c6m01h4867me0n5f...@4ax.com...
>
> So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
> cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims' willing to buy. And all
> those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
> slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
> Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
> what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
> a couple of bucks.
>
> --
> Keith
And to rachet it up...
Who is to say that any number of former friends haven't drawn up plans to
cripple a beligerent giant?
This kind of thing:
http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
Just doesn't sit well with the vast majority of the rest of the world.
The world just cannot tolerate this kind of crap. Been there done that,
knows what to do.
Pre-emptive war. Hitler had a run. Blew his brains out in a bunker. Trashed
his country.
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:18:02 -0500, Harry Krause
> <piedty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tiny Human Ferret wrote:
>>
>>>On-Liner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Nuke them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nuke them right NOW.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>>>>that
>>>>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>>>>first
>>>>place.
>>>
>>>
>>>The DPRK has done nothing other than stall for time. It has no intention
>>>of doing anything other than developing a nuclear arsenal and nuking
>>>Japan, bullying South Korea, and sneaking nuclear mines into the major
>>>cities of the USA. It declared that this nuclear mining of the USA was
>>>its goal, almost two years ago.
>>>
>>>Why wait. "Clear and present danger".
>>>
>>
>>
>>Cripes, you don't have the cojones to clean up your own neighborhood in
>>Aspen Hill, Maryland. You planning to lead the charge into North Korea?
Harry wants to make it all about me, which makes him even crazier than
Kim Jong Il.
Tiny Human Ferret
The term means that it's placed as cargo, not launched as munitions.
Tiny Human Ferret
> In Re: North Korea Admits It Has Nuclear Weapons on Thu, 10 Feb
> 2005 17:32:07 -0500, by Tiny Human Ferret, we read:
>
>>mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
>>
>>>In article <kd2n01tbv0deegk01...@4ax.com>,
>>> Gunner <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>>>>having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>>>
>>>>Seriously.
>>>>
>>>>Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>>>>away from him?
>>>
>>>
>>>oh lordy
>>>
>>>from a second amendment freak as well
>>
>>The Second Amendment may be thought to exclude the dangerously insane
>
>>from having rights to keep and bear Arms. Felons certainly haven't any
>
>>such right, nor have minors.
>
>
> the insane, children or felons.
>
> How did you determine who has the right?
English Common Law.
Jeffrey McCann
"Gunner" <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:kd2n01tbv0deegk01...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:53 -0000, "On-Liner"
>
> >
> >"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
> >
> >>
> >> Nuke them.
> >>
> >> Nuke them right NOW.
> >>
> >
> >When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
that
> >countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
first
> >place.
> >
> >
> So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>
> Seriously.
>
> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
> away from him?
Not if it means there will be incoming automatic weapons fire on my house,
grenades lobbed over the fence at me and my other neighbors, and enormous
fireballs of burning gasoline burning down the whole neighborhood, all
because the cops foolishly rushed in because the Chief of Police idiotically
precipitated the crisis, I don't. I'd rather meet with the other neighbors,
including those who know him a lot better than I do, consult with both
mental health professionals and law enforcement officers, and figure out the
smartest way to deal with the nutcase. Of course, if he starts to go off,
he dies right then.
Jeff
Jeffrey McCann
"Bob Brock" <bbr...@i-america.net> wrote in message
news:bq6n01ddboavoq6kr...@4ax.com...
He'll be a corpse, with cold, dead fingers having been pried off the grip.
Jeff
Jeffrey McCann
"mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges"
news:mair_fheal-49E73...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <kd2n01tbv0deegk01...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
> > So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
> > having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
> >
> > Seriously.
> >
> > Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
> > away from him?
>
> oh lordy
>
> from a second amendment freak as well
I wonder if you'd ever use the phrase "first amendment freak" to describe
someone who is a zealous advocate of protecting your and my civil rights to
free speech, for example.
Jeff
David Goldberg
Moderate Mammal wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:48:05 -0800, David Goldberg
> <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote:
> >
> >> So, still think open borders is a good thing?
> >
> >Hey genius, North Korea has *closed* borders.
> >
>
> Yes, we can close the North Korean border aka the DMZ but not our own.
> Genius.
We *could* close our borders, but that would result in economic
catastrophe. So we don't.
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:53 -0000, "On-Liner"
> <peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>
>>
>>>Nuke them.
>>>
>>>Nuke them right NOW.
>>>
>>
>>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise that
>>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the first
>>place.
>>
>>:-/
>>
>
>
> A civilized world have taken action against such a barbaric regime a
> long time ago. And I sure Kim reads Usenet and decided to build nukes
> because of Ferret's postings. How freaking goofy.
It's a sad but little known fact. Kim Jong Il is a huge fan of the
InterNet. I understand that several years ago he took a trip to China
and even out in Mongolia's capital they had a broadband InterNet
connection. Mr Kim is generally thought to be a cold and emotionless man
when he isn't flying into rages and beating his wives. But they say that
when he saw InterNet, he instantly understood the importance of it and
what it could do for his country, and burst into tears of joy. It meant
that he could download bootleg videos of western films for free instead
of having to have his spies buy one and ship it back to Korea! This was
a mind-boggler for Mr Kim. He quickly fell in love with all things InterNet.
But as you know, Mr Kim finds it necessary to believe that he is
absolutely the best in all things, the largest, the most powerful; and
when he found out that _one individual_ was by far and away both the
most-prolific _and_ the most-voluminous _and_ the most long-lived in
terms of remaining on UseNet, his jealousy began to grow. He became
obsessed with the Tiny Human Ferret, who used to pretend that he was a
friendly space-alien marooned on a one-way embassy to Earth and
Washington DC. He sent his spies everywhere, and discovered an
astonishing Open Source Intelligence Analysis website all about
Washington DC's near collapse under the Barry Administration, and was
further astounded to discover that it was run by this same "klaatu"
person. Furthermore, this Ferret person, this "klaatu" person, seems
to... _know_ things, somehow... before they happened! Clearly, Mr Kim
-- always a great fan of things Western, and very curious, taught
himself pretty good English so as to be able to fully understand what
this Ferret person was saying. And what is that Ferret saying? That Mr
Kim is a bad person and that the world should consider taking Mr Kim's
toy, the trusting and loving people of the DPRK, away from him!
No, from that day forward, nothing would do but that Mr Kim should hang
on every word of that naughty Ferret, and with every insult or
disparaging remark, Mr Kim would order the building and shipping of
another nuclear device, and break off, or threaten to break off,
diplomatic relations.
Now, Mr Kim, I am unable to apologize, I can only give advice. Really,
you should consider truly turning the DPRK into an open democracy. The
North will reunite with the industrial electronics and shipping
superpower of South Korea, everyone will be happy, and you can go live
on a mountaintop somewhere with high bandwidth satellite UseNet feed,
and watch bootleg western pr0n to your heart's content, and never be
bothered with ideological purges or administration of counter-coups.
Much more free time, much less headache, all for you, Mr Kim, if only
you will stop withdrawing from these talks, and ordering your diplomats
to behave like spoiled children have a tantrum from colic.
Everyone will be happy, Mr Kim, if only you will do the right thing. No
more tantrums, no more secret plans, just openness, trust, and
reunification of the North and South under an open democracy! Just like
China!
Strider
wrote:
You are so full of shit I bet you live in a septic tank:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466
"Jan. 15, 2003 - In the far north of North Korea, in remote locations
not far from the borders with China and Russia, a gulag not unlike the
worst labor camps built by Mao and Stalin in the last century holds
some 200,000 men, women and children accused of political crimes. A
month-long investigation by NBC News, including interviews with former
prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials, revealed the
horrifying conditions these people must endure — conditions that shock
even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of
Kim Jong Il’s realm."
Strider
Jim McLaughlin
"Tiny Human Ferret" <ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>
> Did I mention that HR 418 passed? No more DLs for illegal aliens!
>
>
HR 418 passed only the House, by a 261 - 161 margin.
Prospects in the Senate are piss poor.
-- Jim McLaughlin
Please don't just hit the reply key.
Remove the obvious from the address to reply.
***************************************************************************
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"Strider" <str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote in message
news:0o4o01dgk16i2jcj8...@4ax.com...
Your apple to orange comparison is telling.
Combine that with the nasty...
And it is no wonder the world so hates... haters.
Faulty logic + hate = nuke asskicking uproad for U.S. on current trajectory.
Moderate Mammal
<nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>Moderate Mammal wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:48:05 -0800, David Goldberg
>> <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote:
>> >
>> >> So, still think open borders is a good thing?
>> >
>> >Hey genius, North Korea has *closed* borders.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, we can close the North Korean border aka the DMZ but not our own.
>> Genius.
>
>We *could* close our borders, but that would result in economic
>catastrophe. So we don't.
We are having an "economic catastrophe" because of the open border.
http://projectusa.org/immigration_arguments.html
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/s_282131.html
hth
--
Keith
Moderate Mammal
Strider
wrote:
>
>"Strider" <str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote in message
>news:0o4o01dgk16i2jcj8...@4ax.com...
>
>Your apple to orange comparison is telling.
Apples to apples shit face.
Strider
Strider
<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:04:31 -0800, David Goldberg
><nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Moderate Mammal wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:48:05 -0800, David Goldberg
>>> <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> So, still think open borders is a good thing?
>>> >
>>> >Hey genius, North Korea has *closed* borders.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yes, we can close the North Korean border aka the DMZ but not our own.
>>> Genius.
>>
>>We *could* close our borders, but that would result in economic
>>catastrophe. So we don't.
>
>We are having an "economic catastrophe" because of the open border.
Please post a reputable cite that indicates that we are having an
economic disaster, a recession, or even a slight slump.
You won't because you can't because there isn't.
Strider
Moderate Mammal
wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/economy/2005/01/10/cx_da_0110doomdollar.html
Everything Else
Dan Ackman, 01.10.05, 6:00 AM ET
NEW YORK - The stock market is up and economic growth has been steady,
if unspectacular. But, an increasing number of economists are seeing
serious storms build on the horizon. They point to ever-growing
federal budget deficits, a record current-account deficit, increased
consumer debt, a real estate market that looks like a bubble ready to
burst, a surge in personal bankruptcies and the prospect of inflation.
Meanwhile, interest rates are on the rise, and if they increase much
more, many of these problems could get dramatically worse.
Doomsayers tend to be ignored--until it's too late. This week, we give
voice to five prophets of doom, starting with Peter Schiff, CEO and
chief global strategist of Euro Pacific Capital.
Could the falling dollar mean we're in for a major financial disaster?
He thinks so.
He has been warning about the currency's fall for a while now. Even
though it lost a third of its value in the last two years against the
euro, he believes it will decline even further. But, the dollar's fall
is more a symptom than a cause. The real problem is that the U.S. is
producing too little--and spending too much--and the result is likely
to be far worse than the happy-talkers on Wall Street will ever let
on.
"We are going to go through one of the most trying financial times in
U.S. history, including the Great Depression," Schiff says.
Why Should We Care About The Falling Dollar?
"The basic problem," Schiff states, "is that Americans don't produce
enough, and don't save enough." Indeed, over the past 15 years, the
savings rate has fallen from over 6% to less than 1% in recent
quarters. As a result, the goods that we are consuming are being
supplied to us by foreigners. Not only are they producing the goods,
but they are lending us the money to buy them, and, in doing so, are
driving the U.S. deeper and deeper into debt to the rest of the world,
Schiff says.
As American industry has lost productive capacity, it has become
increasingly difficult for the U.S. to produce enough--and sell
enough--to reduce that debt. The massive U.S. trade and
current-account deficits, now at around 6% of the gross domestic
product, mean that non-Americans are exchanging consumer goods today
for consumer goods they will obtain in the future.
The U.S. doesn't have the ability to supply those goods, Schiff says.
"We are using dollars that we print to exchange for goods that we
don't produce. We have to borrow from abroad as there are no domestic
sources of savings, so the value of those dollars will continue to
fall."
How Bad Will It Get?
Peter Schiff, chief executive of Euro Pacific Capital
"Very bad," Schiff says. The dollar will fall a lot lower than it
already has--dropping by perhaps 50% against the Japanese and Chinese
currencies. How will the government respond? Could efforts to
forestall the currency decline have a perverse--and ultimately
negative--effect? No matter what the outcome, Americans will have to
consume a lot less and save a lot more. Spending on cars, clothing and
electronics will all drop dramatically--perhaps right out of the
economy.
What Caused It?
"We are a society that has lived beyond its means for a long time,"
Schiff says, adding that while the trend has been evident for two or
three decades, "in the last five years, it has gone off the deep end."
Americans are relying on foreigners more and more to produce goods,
rather than producing them themselves.
What Will The Results Be?
Americans will have to restrict future consumption or default on debt,
whether directly or indirectly.
"I think something in the near future--maybe early this year--will
make us realize the error of our ways," Schiff says. "Our creditors
are going to stop. They are going to bite the bullet," which means
realizing we can't repay them in the way they want and expect.
They will take a huge loss, but it will be necessary to check an
unsustainable process. At that point, the people of Japan and other
Asian nations will be able to consume a lot more, because they will
send less of what they produce to the U.S.
"They will not be producing for us; they will be producing for
themselves."
Meanwhile, to attract savings from abroad, the U.S will have to
increase interest rates into the double digits. This will cause a
serious wave of defaults in the real estate market and elsewhere.
"The further into the future this starts, the worse it will be for
Americans," Schiff says.
When And Why Will It Bottom Out?
"I don't know. A lot will depend on the government," Schiff says. The
debt to Japan, China and others has been building for a long time. The
process will also take some time to reverse. But, the analysts on Wall
Street don't want to say this.
"They pull their punches, because they don't want to be marginalized.
But, the fact is we owe Japan a fortune; it's not the other way
around." And that, Schiff says, means the dollar will be heading south
for a while.
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> someone who is a zealous advocate of protecting your and my civil rights to
> free speech, for example.
already do
for people who claim no teacher led prayers in public schools
is an infringement of freedom of religion
On-Liner
"Moderate Mammal" wrote
> "On-Liner" wrote:
> >"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
> >
> >>
> >> Nuke them.
> >>
> >> Nuke them right NOW.
> >>
> >
> >When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
that
> >countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
first
> >place.
> >
> >:-/
> >
>
> because of Ferret's postings. How freaking goofy.
>
Your purile comment would only hold any validity if you were suggesting that
Ferret qualifies as "Americans" (note the plural) and is therefore the
single spokes-person for the US. However, being as I seriously doubt that
s/he/it IS, then it remains my contention that others in America also hold a
similar opinion and air it in various places at various times. This,
amongst myriad other things, is what gives other countries cause for
concern.
Luckily for the world, the majority of the madmen at the top of your
political system demonstrate a little better grasp of the situation and, if
they share the same opinion, apparently have diplomatically kept their
mouths shut in public.
Strider
Fuck that shit.
OK, fine, send in a seal team, or twelve.
Strider
DrPostman
Yes they have, stupid. That and worse to their own people
http://www.humanrightshouse.org/dllvis5.asp?id=2490
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP10.HTM
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,1136483,00.html
Those only took me a few seconds.
--
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Member,Board of Directors, afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® #15-51506-253.
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You can email me at: DrPostman(at)gmail.com
"I venture to say there is no one writing on the
Internet today who is providing a greater purpose
for mankind than that found in my writings."
- Felonious Ray, destroyer of irony meters
Strider
<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
http://www.europac.net/outlook.asp
This guy is a long time cheerleader for the Euros. His carrer revolves
around selling non American investments.
BIASED OPINION, and self serving at that.
Next cite. Try to settle on some facts for once, not some self
serving opinion.
Strider
DrPostman
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>"Strider" <str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote in message
>news:0o4o01dgk16i2jcj8...@4ax.com...
>
>Your apple to orange comparison is telling.
Your comparison of a war zone being worse than
a gulag and death camps is beyond silly.
>Combine that with the nasty...
>And it is no wonder the world so hates... haters.
And you are obviously consumed with hate.
DrPostman
in accordance with The Prophecy scribed:
>
>"MrKrabbs" <mrkr...@patty.com> wrote in message
>news:110nopk...@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "On-Liner" <peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote in message
>> news:371b73F...@individual.net...
>> >
>> > "Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Nuke them.
>> >>
>> >> Nuke them right NOW.
>> >>
>> >
>> > When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>> > that
>> > countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>> > first
>> > place.
>> >
>>
>> What the fuck? You gotta be kidding, right?
>
>Nobody country wants to end up like this:
>http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
Some of those pictures are from what Saddam did to his
own people, numbnuts.
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
shrub and republican claim that national sovereignity
means the usa is allowed to do whatever it wants
unconstrained by any international organization
when other countries like dprk or iran make the same claim
of unconstrained national sovereignity
incompatiabilities arise
DrPostman
greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> in accordance with
The Prophecy scribed:
>> Yes they have, stupid. That and worse to their own people
>
>shrub and republican claim that national sovereignity
>means the usa is allowed to do whatever it wants
>unconstrained by any international organization
>
>when other countries like dprk or iran make the same claim
>of unconstrained national sovereignity
>incompatiabilities arise
>
Bush is a dumb asshole, but Kim is a murdering psychopath.
Bunn E. Rabbit
wrote:
Really? And part do you disagree with?
How's this? Same stuff.
Associated Press
U.S. Trade Deficit Hits All-Time High
02.10.2005, 01:35 PM
The U.S. trade deficit soared to a record of $617.7 billion last year
as Americans' appetite for all things foreign, from crude oil to cars,
hit all-time highs. The United States even rang up a deficit in farm
goods as imports of wine, cheese and other food products hit a record.
The Commerce Department reported that the deficit for all of last year
was 24.4 percent above the previous record, an imbalance of $496.5
billion in 2003. The U.S. deficit with China also set a record of $162
billion, up 30.5 percent from last year and the largest imbalance ever
recorded with a single country.
The sharp worsening of America's performance in trade was certain to
spark new political criticism of President Bush's economic policies.
Democrats contend that the administration has not done enough to crack
down on unfair foreign trade practices. These include China's currency
policy, which U.S. manufacturers believe has deliberately undervalued
the yuan by as much as 40 percent, giving Chinese companies a huge
competitive advantage over U.S. firms.
The trade deficit in December declined 4.9 percent to $56.4 billion.
That compared to a revised November shortfall of $59.3 billion, which
was still the all-time monthly high but down from a previously
reported $60.3 billion.
The administration has argued that the U.S. deficits reflect the fact
that America is growing at faster rates than the rest of the world,
providing more demand for imported goods. But private economists worry
that the deficit has reached such stratospheric levels that foreigners
may decide they do not want to hold as much in dollar-denominated
assets.
In a second report, the Labor Department said that the number of
Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits totaled 303,000
last week, a decline of 13,000 from the previous week. It put new
filings at their lowest level since October 2000 and underscored that
the labor market is continuing to show strength.
For all of 2004, U.S. exports of goods and services rose 12.3 percent
to $1.15 trillion. But imports rose at an even faster clip of 16.3
percent, setting a new record of $1.76 trillion.
The demand for foreign goods was led by a 35.7 percent surge in
foreign petroleum imports, which climbed to a record high of $180.7
billion, an increase that reflected not only increased demand but also
surging petroleum prices, as global markets pushed oil prices to
record levels. For the whole year, the average per barrel price for
imported crude was $34.47, up from $26.98 in 2003.
Imports of foreign autos, industrial supplies and consumer goods all
set records as did imports of food products, which climbed to $62.17
billion. U.S. exports of food products were also a record at $56.3
billion. But since U.S. shipments abroad were lower than imports, the
country recorded a deficit in food categories of $5.8 trillion. It was
the third straight year the United States has run a deficit in food,
which long had been one of the few areas where the country could
depend on surpluses.
U.S. exports did climb to an all-time high, helped in part by a 15
percent decline in the value of the dollar against other major
currencies over the past three years. A weaker dollar makes U.S.
products cheaper and thus more competitive on overseas markets.
For 2004, exports of food, autos and auto parts and consumer goods
climbed to a record and the export of capital goods was at the highest
level in four years.
The deficit with China was up 30.5 percent from the previous record
for any country, a deficit of $124.1 billion with China set in 2003.
The United States also saw large increases in the deficits with Japan,
at $75.2 billion, Canada at $65.8 billion and the 25-nation European
Bunn E. Rabbit
http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/26/news/international/world_deficits.reut/
"Stephen Roach, chief economist at Morgan Stanley USA, said: "It would
take an unacceptably huge degree of dollar depreciation to achieve (a
correction)". And that, he added, could cause the U.S. and even global
economies to crash."
U.S. deficits threaten world economy
Experts say massive budget, trade gaps need repair but that any
corrections will prove tricky.
January 26, 2005: 4:23 PM EST
DAVOS, Switzerland (Reuters) - Massive U.S. deficits pose a major risk
to the world economy, which is enjoying its best performance in
decades, and correcting them will prove tricky, top economists and
business leaders said Wednesday.
As the World Economic Forum kicked off in the Swiss mountain resort of
Davos, there was a sense of wary optimism about a global economy that
has absorbed higher oil prices and a weaker U.S. dollar without major
hiccups in growth or inflation.
The United States and emerging Asian countries are growing strongly,
driving steady recoveries in Japan and Europe, putting the world on
track for another year of 4 percent or better global growth. Last year
the world saw its best growth in three decades.
But the savings deficit in the United States means it must suck in
billions of dollars in foreign capital, particularly from Asia, to
finance its current account deficit, which is above 5.6 percent of GDP
and growing.
This clouds the economic picture, participants in the 34th annual
gathering of corporate leaders and politicians said.
"Very little is being done about it," said Jacob Frenkel, former
central banker to Israel and now vice chairman of the U.S. insurance
company American International Group Inc. (Research), said of the U.S.
savings, trade and budget deficits.
Relying on a weak U.S. dollar or currency appreciation in Asia to
correct the U.S. deficits problem is not enough. Higher U.S. rates
will be part of the answer but are risky, participants said.
Laura Tyson, dean of London Business School and former top economist
to the Clinton administration, said the U.S. administration has
developed no credible program to stimulate domestic savings and bring
down its deficits.
Stephen Roach, chief economist at Morgan Stanley USA, said: "It would
take an unacceptably huge degree of dollar depreciation to achieve (a
correction)". And that, he added, could cause the U.S. and even global
economies to crash.
"It's very risky," said Mexican Economy Minister Fernando Canales of a
U.S. dollar crash. "It's not a scenario we would like to have."
Strider
<BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
The part after "NEW YORK-"
>
>How's this? Same stuff.
Same stuff as I debunked last night.
Go review.
Strider
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Strider <str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote:
> >Really? And part do you disagree with?
>
> The part after "NEW YORK-"
> >
> >How's this? Same stuff.
>
> Same stuff as I debunked last night.
glad to see youre still tooling along with intellectual cylinders firing
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> at 8:00AM Monday October 4, 2004. The hospital was reportedly
> losing $1-million each month due to the cost of treating the poor
> and uninsured [PC code for illegal aliens]. Other Hospitals will
theres your problem
your making unfounded assumption
a hospital closed in san jose in december
is that near the border?
those people who have employers are losing medical insurance
(what the safeway strikes are about)
or never had it (walmart)
people without income have a hard time making insurance payments
a hospital doesnt check passports or greencards
before treating patients
hospitals dont know what the immigration of their patients is
> be closing soon. Los Angeles County has lost six hospital
> emergency rooms in the past 14 months.
emergency rooms are collapsing all over
> http://www.nshp.org/?q=node/717
> Bankrupt hospital serving Hispanic immigrants closing
youre equating hispanics with your illegals
> http://www.johnsmccain.com/cgi-data/news/files/51.shtml
> In September, the U.S.- Mexico Border Counties Coalition
they blame their problems on border issues
so they can claim special priority
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> willing to buy."
use the free market
outbid the moslems
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:50:32 -0800, mariposas morgan mair fheal
> greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
> >
> >dprk has had a closed border since 1952 or so
>
> I think he meant the US of A.
dprk has missiles
borders dont matter
> A nation desperate for cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims'
> willing to buy.
>
> What part of "muslims willing to buy" do you not understand?
bid a higher price for them than bin laden
> DPRK doesn't need to export anything to the USA.
doesnt mean it wont
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:00:21 -0800, mariposas morgan mair fheal
> greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> in accordance with
> The Prophecy scribed:
>
> >> Yes they have, stupid. That and worse to their own people
> >
> >shrub and republican claim that national sovereignity
> >means the usa is allowed to do whatever it wants
> >unconstrained by any international organization
> >
> >when other countries like dprk or iran make the same claim
> >of unconstrained national sovereignity
> >incompatiabilities arise
> >
>
> Bush is a dumb asshole, but Kim is a murdering psychopath.
but hes not suicidal
and threatening to kill kim
doesnt make him any more tractable
Gunner
<piedty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:53 -0000, "On-Liner"
>> <peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nuke them.
>>>>
>>>>Nuke them right NOW.
>>>>
>>>
>>>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise that
>>>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the first
>>>place.
>>>
>>>:-/
>>>
>>
>> So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>> away from him?
>>
>> Gunner
>
>
>There's no chance the police are going to raid the White House and take
>away Bush's dangerous stuff.
>
>The upside to this revelation is that it might give pause to the
>war-mongering chickenhawks currently controlling the White House.
Answer the question Harry. If I wanted a diatribe of diarettic spew,
Id squeeze your head.
Gunner
Rule #35
"That which does not kill you,
has made a huge tactical error"
Gunner
<peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" wrote
>> "On-Liner" wrote:
>> >"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>> >>
>> >> Nuke them.
>> >>
>> >> Nuke them right NOW.
>> >>
>> >
>> >When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>that
>> >countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>first
>> >place.
>> >
>> So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>> having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>> away from him?
>
>There is a vast difference between the police "taking the dangerous stuff
>away" and starting a nuclear war that could easily escalate into TEOTWAWKI
>for all of us.
>
>Besides, the rest of the world has lived next door to the US for long enough
>to get used to the idea. ;-)
>
Answer the question.
Moderate Mammal
greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Northridge Hospital's emergency room in Van Nuys closed its doors
>> at 8:00AM Monday October 4, 2004. The hospital was reportedly
>> losing $1-million each month due to the cost of treating the poor
>> and uninsured [PC code for illegal aliens]. Other Hospitals will
>
>theres your problem
>your making unfounded assumption
>
>a hospital closed in san jose in december
>is that near the border?
>
>those people who have employers are losing medical insurance
>(what the safeway strikes are about)
>or never had it (walmart)
>
>people without income have a hard time making insurance payments
>
>
>a hospital doesnt check passports or greencards
>before treating patients
>hospitals dont know what the immigration of their patients is
>
>> be closing soon. Los Angeles County has lost six hospital
>> emergency rooms in the past 14 months.
>
>emergency rooms are collapsing all over
>
>> http://www.nshp.org/?q=node/717
>> Bankrupt hospital serving Hispanic immigrants closing
>
>youre equating hispanics with your illegals
>
Who the fuck do you think is crossing the Mexican border, Outer
Mongolians?
--
Keith
>> http://www.johnsmccain.com/cgi-data/news/files/51.shtml
>> In September, the U.S.- Mexico Border Counties Coalition
>
>they blame their problems on border issues
>so they can claim special priority
>
>arf meow arf
>
>cthulu loves you
>he loves the little children
>with ketchup please
_____
Gunner
<NoS...@NoThanks.com> wrote:
>
>"Bob Brock" <bbr...@i-america.net> wrote in message
>news:bq6n01ddboavoq6kr...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:22:11 GMT, Gunner <gunner...@lightspeed.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:53 -0000, "On-Liner"
>> ><peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> Nuke them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nuke them right NOW.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>that
>> >>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>first
>> >>place.
>> >>
>> >>:-/
>> >>
>> >So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>> >having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>> >
>> >Seriously.
>>
>> Have you suddenly changed into a gun control advocate? This is indeed
>> a new twist to your mental illness.
>>
>> >
>> >Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>> >away from him?
>>
>> What will you do when they take your guns....gummer?
>
>He'll be a corpse, with cold, dead fingers having been pried off the grip.
>
>Jeff
>
"You may find me one day dead in a ditch somewhere. But by God,
you'll find me in a pile of brass." Tpr. M. Padgett
Gunner
True Time
"Strider" <str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote in message
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:11:35 -0600, "True Time" <true...@yahoo.com>
> shit face
> Strider
Dan
"Bunn E. Rabbit" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message
news:1c6m01h4867me0n5f...@4ax.com...
>
> So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
> those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
> slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
> Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
> what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
> a couple of bucks.
Yet another Bush disaster...
Dan
Clave
news:XNXOd.4507$Fk6...@fe04.lga...
Disclaimer: what follows is my *opinion*. Reasonable disagreement entertained,
the usual juvenile partisan peanut-gallery heel-nipping ignored in the
traditional fashion. That said:
A foreign policy embarrassment, to be sure, but I don't think it's a national
security issue unless Kaptain Rummy gets a hard-on in his sleep and, having had
plenty of Arabic ass, goes looking for some strange.
Kim may be nuts, but he isn't suicidal. He wants what he had before -- buckets
of foreign aid to keep the barbarians away from the gate, in exchange for which
he agrees to play nice (Clinton had that game *down*, but nooooo....according to
some of the more extreme-idiot right, *everything* Clinton did was wrong and had
to be stopped). An ego case like Kim isn't going to lob one of his couple-three
nukes at Seattle or San Francisco or Beijing or Taipei or Tokyo, lest he
*surely*
die, and be forever remembered as the sawed-off idiot who got his entire country
killed. Unless he's cornered, of course. That's a *bit* of a worry now.
Likewise, I have a hard time thinking that they're an export danger. Pakistan's
been in that game for <mumble> years, and we've tolerated their shit the whole
time, even to the point of turning a blind eye to their blanket pardon of Khan.
It's worth paying attention to, but you have to keep it in perspective and
ignore the saber-rattling from Pyongyang *and* Washington.
Jim
Moderate Mammal
I glad you mentioned Pakistan Jim. Musharraf doesn't have 9 lives and
the fundies are itching to kill him circumventing any semblance of
sanity in the country thereby installing a 'true' islamic state.
With the number of nukes Pakistan has the world will be saying "Kim
who?".
--
Keith
>It's worth paying attention to, but you have to keep it in perspective and
>ignore the saber-rattling from Pyongyang *and* Washington.
>
>Jim
>
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> >
>
> Who the fuck do you think is crossing the Mexican border, Outer
> Mongolians?
always love it when you bigots slip up and go public
johnduke
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:16:18 -0600, "True Time" <true...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Moderate Mammal" <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote in message :
> >
> >> You equate the US with North Korea?
> >
> >To do so would be completely unfair.
> >North Korea hasn't done this:
> >
> >http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
> >
> You are so full of shit I bet you live in a septic tank:
>
> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466
>
> "Jan. 15, 2003 - In the far north of North Korea, in remote locations
> not far from the borders with China and Russia, a gulag not unlike the
> worst labor camps built by Mao and Stalin in the last century holds
> some 200,000 men, women and children accused of political crimes. A
> month-long investigation by NBC News, including interviews with former
> prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials, revealed the
> horrifying conditions these people must endure ? conditions that shock
> even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of
> Kim Jong Il?s realm."
>
> Strider
And it's called Guantanamo, or isn't it ?
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
john...@hotmail.com (johnduke) wrote:
or afghanistan
germany is alleging the cia arranged for the kidnapping of a german citizen
and had him sent to afghanistan so afghan allies could work on him
without the cia getting its hands dirty
DrPostman
>In article <27co019d9rk1dre45...@4ax.com>,
> DrPostman <Lo...@mysig.foremail> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:00:21 -0800, mariposas morgan mair fheal
>> greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> in accordance with
>> The Prophecy scribed:
>>
>> >> Yes they have, stupid. That and worse to their own people
>> >
>> >shrub and republican claim that national sovereignity
>> >means the usa is allowed to do whatever it wants
>> >unconstrained by any international organization
>> >
>> >when other countries like dprk or iran make the same claim
>> >of unconstrained national sovereignity
>> >incompatiabilities arise
>> >
>>
>> Bush is a dumb asshole, but Kim is a murdering psychopath.
>
>but hes not suicidal
>and threatening to kill kim
>doesnt make him any more tractable
Dude, read up on Kim. A very good argument could be made
that he is suicidal.
Moderate Mammal
greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >youre equating hispanics with your illegals
>> >
>>
>> Who the fuck do you think is crossing the Mexican border, Outer
>> Mongolians?
>
>always love it when you bigots slip up and go public
>
Yes, that must be it. You're a genius. And a fabulous debater.
--
Keith
>arf meow arf
>
>cthulu loves you
>he loves the little children
>with ketchup please
_____
Moderate Mammal
greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bigot.
--
Keith
>arf meow arf
>
>cthulu loves you
>he loves the little children
>with ketchup please
_____
mariposas morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
The CO
"Gunner" <gunner...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:pigo01diun5kidmhe...@4ax.com...
> "You may find me one day dead in a ditch somewhere. But by God,
> you'll find me in a pile of brass." Tpr. M. Padgett
"There is one certain means by which I can be sure never to see my country's
ruin,-I will die in the last ditch."
William, Prince of Orange
1622
The CO
Peter Skelton
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:57:51 -0500, Strider
><str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>We *could* close our borders, but that would result in economic
>>>>catastrophe. So we don't.
>>>
>>>We are having an "economic catastrophe" because of the open border.
>>
>>Please post a reputable cite that indicates that we are having an
>>economic disaster, a recession, or even a slight slump.
>>
>>You won't because you can't because there isn't.
>>
>>Strider
>
>Uh, Strider, bud, we are losing border hospitals left & right in
>Kali, Texas & Aridzona because of the ilegals.
>
>For the people that live around them, that "could" be a
>catastrophe if they need a hospital and the next closest one is
>100 miles away.
>
>From Google:
>Results 1 - 100 of about 107,000 English pages for border
>hospitals closing + illegal immigrants. (0.09 seconds)
>
>http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/980.html
>
>http://www.matthews4congress.com/erclose.html
>Northridge Hospital's emergency room in Van Nuys closed its doors
>at 8:00AM Monday October 4, 2004. The hospital was reportedly
>losing $1-million each month due to the cost of treating the poor
>and uninsured [PC code for illegal aliens]. Other Hospitals will
>be closing soon. Los Angeles County has lost six hospital
>emergency rooms in the past 14 months.
>
>http://www.nshp.org/?q=node/717
>Bankrupt hospital serving Hispanic immigrants closing
>
>http://www.johnsmccain.com/cgi-data/news/files/51.shtml
>In September, the U.S.- Mexico Border Counties Coalition
>found that our nation's border hospitals spent close to $190
>million in 2000 to provide health care to undocumented
>immigrants.
>
>
That story is not indication of an economic disaster. To be an
indication of economic disaster it would have to include evidence
that the economic contribution of the gropup causing the problem
is less than the cost of solution.
Peter Skelton
Rico Sauve
<ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>> So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
>> cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims' willing to buy. And all
>> those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
>> slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
>> Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
>> what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
>> a couple of bucks.
>>
>> --
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050210/D885GP1G1.html
>>
>> North Korea Admits It Has Nuclear Weapons
>>
>> Feb 10, 2:25 AM (ET)
>>
>> SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea publicly admitted Thursday for
>> the first time that it has nuclear weapons, and said it wouldn't
>> return to six-nation talks aimed at getting it to abandon its nuclear
>> ambitions
>
>Nuke them.
>
>Nuke them right NOW.
And by nuking N. Korea, it will the end of Japan's existence.
Rico Sauve
N Korea bluffing? Who can afford to risk it
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,12211892%5E25377,00.html
beavith
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>>There's no chance the police are going to raid the White House and take
>>away Bush's dangerous stuff.
>>
>>The upside to this revelation is that it might give pause to the
>>war-mongering chickenhawks currently controlling the White House.
>
>Answer the question Harry. If I wanted a diatribe of diarettic spew,
>Id squeeze your head.
>
>Gunner
>
>Rule #35
>"That which does not kill you,
> has made a huge tactical error"
"if i wanted .......i'd squeeze your head"
BWAHHHAHAHAHAHA
that's going into the act.
Pax Rifleman
can have WMD and Nukes then so can we, Why?? Well the US keeps invading
other countrys whos governments it takes a dislike to, so if we get nukes
the US will have to think twice before trying to bully us.
After all its the US that has used nukes in anger, its the US thats doing
all the invading for gain , No wonder the rest of the world wants nukes of
their own.
Missing Link
a-begging.
"Rico Sauve" <Ri...@mexico.com> wrote in message
news:6rdp01l0t6i92kdkn...@4ax.com...
Tiny Human Ferret
I'd pay good money to see video of that on a webpage.
--
The incapacity of a weak and distracted government may
often assume the appearance, and produce the effects,
of a treasonable correspondence with the public enemy.
--Gibbon, "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire"
==================================================================
"Sometimes, Evil drives a mini-van."
--Desperate Housewives
Tiny Human Ferret
>>
>>
>
>
> HR 418 passed only the House, by a 261 - 161 margin.
>
> Prospects in the Senate are piss poor.
As part of the deal last year to get the Intelligence Reform Bill
passed, this will be attached to Must-Pass bills until it passes.
In any case, from
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14469-2005Feb10.html
<quote in-part>
House Bill Tightens Border Controls
By Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 11, 2005; Page A04
House Republicans approved a package of immigration-control measures
yesterday that would make deportation easier, make political asylum
tougher and exempt the federal government from environmental laws in
building roads and barriers along U.S. borders.
The bill -- touted as a major anti-terrorism initiative -- is aimed at
making it easier for authorities to keep illegal immigrants out, track
down those in the country and hinder their travel. The measure would
impose new requirements on states to seek proof of applicants' legal
residence in issuing driver's licenses.
If the states do not comply with the new anti-fraud guidelines, driver's
licenses issued in those states cannot be accepted as proof of identity
for boarding airplanes, buying guns or entering federal buildings.
The bill would ask states to require a passport for any noncitizen to
obtain a driver's license, whereas many states now accept documents that
are easier to manufacture. The proposed legislation could have the
effect of denying driver's licenses to millions of undocumented workers,
according to experts.
[ ... ]
Called the Real ID Act, the bill is backed by the White House
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
and has a favorable outlook in the Senate.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr.
(R-Wis.), the chief sponsor, blocked passage of
major intelligence restructuring legislation late last year
until the White House and GOP leaders promised
early consideration of his measures this year.
[ ... ]
Senate Republican aides said similar legislation
will be introduced in that body soon and that
50 to 60 senators support its passage.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[ ... ]
</quote>
Tiny Human Ferret
> "Moderate Mammal" wrote
>
>> "On-Liner" wrote:
>>
>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nuke them.
>>>>
>>>>Nuke them right NOW.
>>>>
>>>
>>>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise
>
> that
>
>>>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the
>
> first
>
>>>place.
>>>
>>>:-/
>>>
>>
>>because of Ferret's postings. How freaking goofy.
>>
>
>
> Your purile comment would only hold any validity if you were suggesting that
> Ferret qualifies as "Americans" (note the plural) and is therefore the
> single spokes-person for the US.
Oh, there's never been any question of that. The freaks in DC keep me
around so that they can be reminded of exactly who it is that they
serve. I am exactly and precisely "the average American". I say what the
Average American says, I live as does the Average American, not too
well, not too badly. The only difference between me and the Average
American is that I have world-routable static IP addresses and most
people have DHCP IP addresses.
It's well known that what pisses me off is what pisses off the Average
American. It's well known that I have always voted exactly as has the
Average American. etc etc. As blow the winds upon the Tiny Human Ferret,
so blow the winds of change all across America. Trust me, it took a long
long time to get the wording right in my genuinely awesome and immensely
powerful curse I laid on Washington DC when they tried to run me out of
town in 1992, but there it is: exactly as blow the winds of change upon
the Tiny Human Ferret, so blow the winds of change on all Americans.
So when the Powers That Be hear me bitching, they know it's only a
matter of time before they hear the exact same thing from the majority
of their constituents, whom they ignore and the peril of their position.
Ask Tip O'Niell.
> However, being as I seriously doubt that
> s/he/it IS, then it remains my contention that others in America also hold a
> similar opinion and air it in various places at various times.
See above.
> This,
> amongst myriad other things, is what gives other countries cause for
> concern.
>
> Luckily for the world, the majority of the madmen at the top of your
> political system demonstrate a little better grasp of the situation and, if
> they share the same opinion, apparently have diplomatically kept their
> mouths shut in public.
"Axis of Evil, Outpost of Tyranny".
The kind and loving people of the DPRK deserve to be free. Free them!
Tiny Human Ferret
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 02:13:27 GMT, Moderate Mammal
> <BunnE...@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:04:31 -0800, David Goldberg
>><nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Moderate Mammal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:48:05 -0800, David Goldberg
>>>><nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bunn E. Rabbit" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>So, still think open borders is a good thing?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, we can close the North Korean border aka the DMZ but not our own.
>>>>Genius.
>>>
>>>We *could* close our borders, but that would result in economic
>>>catastrophe. So we don't.
>>
>>We are having an "economic catastrophe" because of the open border.
>
>
> Please post a reputable cite that indicates that we are having an
> economic disaster, a recession, or even a slight slump.
>
> You won't because you can't because there isn't.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15830-2005Feb10.html
<quote in-part>
Trade Chasm Set Unwanted Record in '04
Gap Narrowed in December, But Annual Figure Ballooned
By Paul Blustein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 11, 2005; Page E01
The U.S. trade deficit narrowed in December but was still the
second-highest monthly figure ever. And that lifted the deficit for 2004
to $617.7 billion -- an all-time high that shattered the previous
record, set in 2003, by 24 percent.
The trade report, issued yesterday by the Commerce Department, capped a
year in which the voracious demand by Americans for imported goods drove
the deficit to proportions all but unheard of for a major industrial
country -- 5.3 percent of gross domestic product, up from 4.5 percent
the year before. The widening gap has deepened worries that the United
States is growing dangerously dependent on the capital lent by
foreigners to cover the cost of the products they sell to Americans.
The December deficit decline to $56.4 billion from a revised record of
$59.3 billion in November offered some hope that the trade gap's
relentless surge might abate in coming months. Federal Reserve Board
Chairman Alan Greenspan said last week that the deficit may soon start
leveling off and possibly even shrink. Greenspan cited the dollar's fall
against other currencies, which makes U.S.-made goods more competitive
with products made abroad.
But yesterday's report offered insight into why a turnaround may be a
long way off, because as the Commerce summary noted, imports increased
nearly twice as much as exports last year. That is the opposite of what
must happen for the deficit to narrow. Since the $1.764 trillion that
the United States imported in 2004 is so much greater than the $1.146
trillion that it shipped abroad, exports must grow much faster than
imports to close the gap.
[ ... ]
</quote>
>
> Strider
>
>
>>http://projectusa.org/immigration_arguments.html
>>
>>http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/s_282131.html
>>
>>hth
Vanilla Gorilla (Monkey Boy)
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell in message
<qeap015idhhgnvpda...@4ax.com>:
>That story is not indication of an economic disaster. To be an
>indication of economic disaster it would have to include evidence
>that the economic contribution of the gropup causing the problem
>is less than the cost of solution.
>
>Peter Skelton
It's obvious that all those hospitals are closing their doors in order
to have more time to spend all the money they're making from those
illegal aliens. Yeah, that's it.
--
V.G.
Change pobox dot alaska to gci.
"Bush things is he never attends a Funderal - He will live forever!" - Donnieboi Ferrt explains... something.
Sarcasm is my sword, Apathy is my shield.
Duke of Url
> on the horizon.
> looks like a bubble
> prospect of inflation.
> could get dramatically worse.
> He thinks so.
> he believes
> is likely
> "I think
The usual guesses, waffling and mealymouthing from economics wrtiers...
Gunner
<piedty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Gunner wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 12:16:57 -0500, Harry Krause
>> <piedty...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gunner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:59:53 -0000, "On-Liner"
>>>><peterp...@pickledpepper.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Tiny Human Ferret" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Nuke them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nuke them right NOW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>When Americans express such opinions so openly, it is little surprise that
>>>>>countries like N.Korea feel the need to develop their own nukes in the first
>>>>>place.
>>>>>
>>>>>:-/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So you are comfortable with the crazy man who lives next door to you
>>>>having full automatic weapons and a stash of grenades and gasoline??
>>>>
>>>>Seriously.
>>>>
>>>>Or would you rather the police came and took all the dangerous stuff
>>>>away from him?
>>>>
>>>>Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>>There's no chance the police are going to raid the White House and take
>>>away Bush's dangerous stuff.
>>>
>>>The upside to this revelation is that it might give pause to the
>>>war-mongering chickenhawks currently controlling the White House.
>>
>>
>> Answer the question Harry. If I wanted a diatribe of diarettic spew,
>> Id squeeze your head.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>
>Stick to squeezing your pimples; you'll live longer.
So you are admitting you are unable to support your claims?
Gunner
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:57:51 -0500, Strider
><str...@NOSPAMusit.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>>We *could* close our borders, but that would result in economic
>>>>catastrophe. So we don't.
>>>
>>>We are having an "economic catastrophe" because of the open border.
>>
>>Please post a reputable cite that indicates that we are having an
>>economic disaster, a recession, or even a slight slump.
>>
>>You won't because you can't because there isn't.
>>
>>Strider
>
>Uh, Strider, bud, we are losing border hospitals left & right in
>Kali, Texas & Aridzona because of the ilegals.
>
>For the people that live around them, that "could" be a
>catastrophe if they need a hospital and the next closest one is
>100 miles away.
>
>From Google:
>Results 1 - 100 of about 107,000 English pages for border
>hospitals closing + illegal immigrants. (0.09 seconds)
>
>http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/980.html
>
>http://www.matthews4congress.com/erclose.html
>Northridge Hospital's emergency room in Van Nuys closed its doors
>at 8:00AM Monday October 4, 2004. The hospital was reportedly
>losing $1-million each month due to the cost of treating the poor
>and uninsured [PC code for illegal aliens]. Other Hospitals will
>be closing soon. Los Angeles County has lost six hospital
>emergency rooms in the past 14 months.
>
>http://www.nshp.org/?q=node/717
>Bankrupt hospital serving Hispanic immigrants closing
>
>http://www.johnsmccain.com/cgi-data/news/files/51.shtml
>In September, the U.S.- Mexico Border Counties Coalition
>found that our nation's border hospitals spent close to $190
>million in 2000 to provide health care to undocumented
>immigrants.
>
>
>Rick Bowen
As a California resident..I can vouch for Rick being unfortunately
100% right.
Gunner
greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >youre equating hispanics with your illegals
>> >
>>
>> Who the fuck do you think is crossing the Mexican border, Outer
>> Mongolians?
>
>always love it when you bigots slip up and go public
>
>arf meow arf
Where was the bigotry in that post? Or do you actually think it IS
Outer Mongolians who are crossing the border?
Always love it when you show your incredible stupidity.
Gunner
<ClaviusNo...@CableSpeed.com> wrote:
>Kim may be nuts, but he isn't suicidal. He wants what he had before -- buckets
>of foreign aid to keep the barbarians away from the gate, in exchange for which
>he agrees to play nice (Clinton had that game *down*,
You mean where Clinton gave him everything but the kitchen sink in
exchange for not working on his nuclear programs, and he went a head
and did it anyways?
sfe...@xmission.com
wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:33:01 -0500, Tiny Human Ferret
><ixnayamsp...@earthops.net> wrote:
>
>>Bunn E. Rabbit wrote:
>>> So, still think open borders is a good thing? A nation desperate for
>>> cash having nukes with 'peaceful muslims' willing to buy. And all
>>> those ships from the far east bringing in the cheap goods made by
>>> slave labor. Who's going to check them all? Is it all worth San
>>> Francisco or Houston reaching the temperature of the Sun. I wonder
>>> what Ben would say about a country trading liberty *and* security for
>>> a couple of bucks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050210/D885GP1G1.html
>>>
>>> North Korea Admits It Has Nuclear Weapons
>>>
>>> Feb 10, 2:25 AM (ET)
>>>
>>> SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea publicly admitted Thursday for
>>> the first time that it has nuclear weapons, and said it wouldn't
>>> return to six-nation talks aimed at getting it to abandon its nuclear
>>> ambitions
>>
>>Nuke them.
>>
>>Nuke them right NOW.
>
>And by nuking N. Korea, it will the end of Japan's existence.
How do you figure? They already had two nukes dropped on them and
they're doing just fine.