>>> On Sep 18, 8:49 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:57:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>> (in article
>>>> <0148bd87-e86c-4bc7-a5a4-7e001231e...@s9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>> On Sep 17, 8:39 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 21:39:46 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>> <c3806147-2221-4dcf-8beb-e57242da3...@wm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 8:23 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 04:25:18 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>> <42018b9a-9410-4b77-a39a-8dad9d5fe...@pz10g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>> On Sep 13, 9:03 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:49:00 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>>> <803ab87b-f660-4ced-a12f-d1871a4fc...@oz6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>)
>>>>>>>>>> :

>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 8:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:25:10 -0400, MITO MINISTER wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>>>>> <fa91fff7-643e-491b-9ade-2ce092edd...@k3g2000pbr.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ):

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 9:14 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2012 15:46:44 -0400, Hugh Lawson wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <87ehmc9u1n....@gmail.com>):

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> writes:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ snip ]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Preaching to the choir, so to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Un-American these days comes to whether or not you agree with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orthodoxy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems to have gotten started about the time the Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing support in the south at about the 80's. Southerners
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented history of not going along.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "unamerican" thingo is much older than that. See the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Stranger in the Land_, an intellectual history of American
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nativism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Higham.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UnAmerican has been more often used by conservatives than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice the "foreigner" accusations in conservative attacks on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea of "the South" as somewhat foreign goes all the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation of the United States. See Jennifer Rae Greeson's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> South_. Another good author on this topic is David Jansson, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about it under the label "internal orientalism." In a nutshell,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of looking at the South paints it as "exotic", a sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, or foreign colony, inside the USA. It's an interesting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theme.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not to say that the liberals have never used the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "unamerican"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge; in fact IIRC the House Committee on UnAmerican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Activities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> founded with liberal cooperation; the hope being to get after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facist- and nazi-sympathizers, about 1940. But the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right-wing-nuts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found HUAC much more useful in their various witch-hunts.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My opinion is that the South is too varied to be easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One-Thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HL

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the case of foreign I think more of Obama as a "foreigner" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking. Of course, I think of all liberal democrats as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foreign.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that definition, I think of all liberal democrats as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> un-American.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I read a lot of liberal opinion and such.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is a foreigner? Maybe O'bama, but not Barack. He's more of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> genuine American than you'll ever be!

>>>>>>>>>>>> You're a foreigner. Go read again. Your lack of comprehension is
>>>>>>>>>>>> showing
>>>>>>>>>>>> again.

>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement shows how America-centric and provincial you really
>>>>>>>>>>> are. You also use the word "foreigner" as an epithet to be hurled
>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> people you don't like. Frankly, you deserve to be deported back to
>>>>>>>>>>> Europe. The USA belongs to real people: Latinos, Jews, African-
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans, women, homosexuals, Unionists and others, not cracker
>>>>>>>>>>> segregationists.

>>>>>>>>>>> I can pass as a regular American better than you ever could. One
>>>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>>> out of your mouth and anyone would know you were a White Southern
>>>>>>>>>>> Boy.
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, I am NOT a foreigner. I don't believe in the concept.

>>>>>>>>>> You've admitted to being a Canadian, South African, and various made
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> personas. You're about as foreign as they come. Mentally,
>>>>>>>>>> ideologically,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> character wise. Not an epithet, merely a statement of fact. How's
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>> level job at the UN coming?
>>>>>>>>>> Oh wait....

>>>>>>>>> The UN thing was someone else's guess. Never claimed that one. The SA
>>>>>>>>> thing was a test of your gullibility. You failed that one.

>>>>>>>> Wrong answer. That was no guess. It was another of Mito's failed
>>>>>>>> attempts
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> inflating his ego.

>>>>>>> You should get out of your room more. Live a little. You do realise
>>>>>>> that this chat-room is just bullshit, don't you? I come here for a
>>>>>>> laugh, a break between assignments. For you, it's your whole life. You
>>>>>>> belong in jail for treason.

>>>>>> What assignments? Undermining freedom? You do understand I don't
>>>>>> exclusively
>>>>>> post here? It's up to you, keep pleading.

>>>>> You defend your posting on THIS group by bragging about your postings
>>>>> on other groups?

>>>>> All of Usenet is bullshit. Worthless arguments. Like I said: This
>>>>> group is a laugh. For you, it's life itself. Now get out of your
>>>>> trailer and go outside.

>>>> So all of usenet is bullshit. And this group is "a laugh". I'm sure these
>>>> people are glad to know what you think of them.
>>>> That was a pretty bigoted statement. Oh wait....it's from you.

>>> This is the internet. No apologies. No explanations.

>> Trying to back up now?

> I refuse to apologize, and you call that "backing down"?