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Subject: Re: Mr Edge's Goal in Life - Defeating the Democrats
From: MITO MINISTER <cigarmanw...@gmail.com>
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On Nov 5, 11:34=A0am, slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:49=A0pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:12:39 -0800 (PST), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Nov 4, 2:36 pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wro=
te
> > >> >(in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>
> > >> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers=
.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >>> On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> > >> >>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
> > >> >>>> (in article
> > >> >>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.c=
om>):
>
> > >> >>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> > >> >>>>>> (in article
> > >> >>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroup=
s.com>):
>
> > >> >>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's=
 health
> > >> >>>>> care plan.
> > >> >>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an exi=
sting
> > >> >>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance=
 under
> > >> >>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
> > >> >>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (=
God
> > >> >>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be abl=
e to
> > >> >>>>> renew under both plans?
> > >> >>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
> > >> >>>>> Medicaid?
>
> > >> >>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and=
 not get
> > >> >>>>> a bill for treatment. I pay $100.00 a year for my prescription=
s,
> > >> >>>>> total. The $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan =
because
> > >> >>>>> I am 65+.
>
> > >> >>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ry=
an
> > >> >>>>> voucher system? What happens to the 35-45 million people cover=
ed
> > >> >>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>
> > >> >>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. What do th=
e
> > >> >>>>> Russian and French revolutions have in common?
>
> > >> >>>> You might want to go back a little earlier. Exactly when did th=
is
> > >> >>>> Medicare/Medicaid debacle begin? Have you ever considered what =
the role of
> > >> >>>> the federal government is in health care? And as we poor money =
into the
> > >> >>>> health industries pockets, what is the eventual outcome? Subsid=
izing health
> > >> >>>> care only causes the cost to go up. End result, collapse. At so=
me point
> > >> >>>> costs
> > >> >>>> will have to be reigned in, hopefully before the cost eats it a=
live.
> > >> >>>> Complaining about the might-be is a good plan.
> > >> >>>> You get charged for prescriptions? Really! How long you do gues=
s it's going
> > >> >>>> to be before you charged for treatment?
>
> > >> >>> I am charged for treatment. In my taxes. It isn't going to colla=
pse
> > >> >>> because of subsidies. Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industri=
al
> > >> >>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take c=
are of
> > >> >>> the 99%.
> > >> >>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
> > >> >>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". Oh, I
> > >> >>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
> > >> >>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations=
 who
> > >> >>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. That would help.
>
> > >> >>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible=
.
> > >> >>> When will I be charged for treatment? Not in the near future?
>
> > >> >>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? A=
re
> > >> >>> they rising? Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs? =
The
> > >> >>> insurance companies!!!!
>
> > >> >>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the=
 G8
> > >> >>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. Something like th=
at
> > >> >>> anyway. I'll have to check further.
>
> > >> >>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. The only waste=
d
> > >> >>> vote is a non-vote.
>
> > >> >> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some s=
ort
> > >> >> of national health care. But you've got realize that about 40% of=
 the
> > >> >> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health ca=
re is
> > >> >> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues=
 and
> > >> >> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upo=
n
> > >> >> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and qu=
eens
> > >> >> on welfare. To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communi=
st
> > >> >> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years=
 old.
> > >> >> It's insane. And it's scary. And if left unchecked, it is the sta=
rt
> > >> >> of America's descent from greatness.
>
> > >> >I just love it when you people make shit up out of the air.
> > >> >We have a party that has dedicated itself to a larger government an=
d ever
> > >> >increasing taxes. No one in the Republican party made these decisio=
ns for
> > >> >them. You don't have to listen to me. Read their own press releases=
. At some
> > >> >point the Democrat party decided to embrace group or groups of peop=
le and
> > >> >work to their benefit. There are many people in this country that h=
ave made
> > >> >this decision willfully and promote certain groups at every opportu=
nity. They
> > >> >use these groups against each other and against everyone else. Rece=
ntly even
> > >> >threatening violence. Divide and conquer. Look at he structure of t=
he
> > >> >Democrat party and tell me I'm wrong. We have unions vs corporation=
s, blacks
> > >> >vs whites, haves vs have-nots, gay vs straight, greenies vs everyon=
e. So we
> > >> >have a divisive party paying favors to various factions for continu=
ed support
> > >> >of that same party. What does that sound like? Fascism, maybe? No, =
we'll just
> > >> >call them socialists, it's a nicer term. The Dems have been pushing=
 divisive
> > >> >politics for most of my life. Larger government and larger payouts =
to party
> > >> >factions. And, yes, it also favors corporate interests who play bal=
l with the
> > >> >party. As we've seen by the stimulas failure that went to supporter=
s. Didn't
> > >> >do a lot for the jobs situation but that wasn't the point.
> > >> >Now let's address the "greedy" issue. You do know that conservative=
s give
> > >> >more to charity than liberals? Romney paid more in taxes and volunt=
arily gave
> > >> >more to charity than Obama and Biden put together by a wide margin.
> > >> >Conservatives give, liberals take.
> > >> >The 6000 year old thing crap is just that, crap.
> > >> >Just so you'll know, our "descent from greatness" began in the sixt=
ies. We've
> > >> >been struggling to contain the misery in the world since then. I su=
spect
> > >> >that's about over. The money will run out eventually. Lots of folks=
 will
> > >> >suffer when the collapse comes. I seem to be in the minority on thi=
s. A lot
> > >> >of folks don't see this happy bubble collapsing. Good luck with tha=
t.
>
> > >> See what I mean, slotrot? It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's
> > >> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
> > >> right vote and a measure equality in the South. And it's no accident
> > >> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people i=
n
> > >> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
> > >> eye as to just why that might be.
>
> > >Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
> > >lies about Obama. =A0With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, a=
nd
> > >Faux News.
> > >Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
> > >be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the =A0GOP
> > >(should be GOWP) =A0are spewing.
> > >But of course they have the lock-steppers like Mr. J On-Edge marching
> > >failthfully into the voting booth to plant their X without having to
> > >think.
>
> > >The U.S. is a nice, no great place to visit, but if you get a
> > >Repugnant president, it won't be a very nice place to live.
> > >I wonder if Mr. On-Edge knows where and what the Hermitage is and what
> > >its significance is?
>
> > Absolutely. =A0If Obama were white, he'd win by landslide.
>
> > In the long run, changing demographics will sink the Republican Party
> > in its current far right white people's party incarnation. =A0Most
> > likely it will eventually reinvent itself as a center/right party, as
> > it was in the mid 20th century.
>
> > Mr, Edge doubtlessly thinks of Andrew Jackson's home in Tennessee when
> > you say Hermitage. =A0The Hermitage in Russia is the one that comes
> > first to my mind. =A0But there are so many Hermitages in the world I'm
> > not sure which one you mean myself.
>
> St. Petersburg, Russia was what I was referring to . =A0The Russian and
> French Revolutions; =A0high war debts, inequity between rich and poor.
>
> Things to come, things to think of when it does. =A0Of course this is
> just my mind wandering.

You're wasting your time. Discussing the Hermitage Museum in Petrograd
(SOCIALISM IN ONE COUNTRY!) with Edge is a proverbial "casting pearls
before swine" scenario.