Mr Edge's Goal in Life - Defeating the Democrats

[slotrot]

So, by defeating the Democrats, Mr. Edge would find the following
observation and result of a Romney victory, acceptable? He must be
very wealthy and doesn't care a rats ass about anyone but himself.
God Help America.


"But one thing is clear: If he wins, Medicaid - which now covers more
than 50 million Americans, and which President Obama would expand
further as part of his health reform - will face savage cuts.
Estimates suggest that a Romney victory would deny health insurance to
about 45 million people who would have coverage if he lost, with two-
thirds of that difference due to the assault on Medicaid. "

Paul Krugman, The New York Times

29 October 12

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:22:31 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article
<b8701701-b508-4435...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>):

> So, by defeating the Democrats, Mr. Edge would find the following
> observation and result of a Romney victory, acceptable? He must be
> very wealthy and doesn't care a rats ass about anyone but himself.
> God Help America.

No, I'm actually not wealthy.
Does Mr. Krugman explain where the money for Medicare and Medicaid is going
to come from? Does he explain also where all the money for all these lovely
things that the Dem party promises? I think we've already seen that if you
confiscate ALL the money from ALL the rich there still won't be enough to pay
for all of the favors for all the various factions of the party. Yet we still
hear the carping about evil rich folks. We don't hear much about ever
expanding government. Do we still have the fifty-nine agencies dedicated to
teaching Americans how to deal with their finances? How about base-line
budgeting? We still doing that? Yet we hear plenty of 'MY GOD, ROMNEY GAONNA
PUSH GRANNIE OFF A CLIFF'.
Perhaps if Mr. Reich can't come up with a way to pay for all this largesse,
foreign aid, and military intervention, you would like to give it a shot.

[slotrot]

On Oct 30, 8:46 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 18:22:31 -0400, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <b8701701-b508-4435-82f4-45da83771...@y8g2000yqy.googlegroups.com>):

Same place the Repubs are going to get the money to boost the defence
budget by 2 trillion dollars.

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:14:45 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article
<53010c4d-e381-4247...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

See above: foreign intervention.

http://goo.gl/08HuI

Here's another thing. I read liberals moaning about 'sequestration' and the
looming budget cuts. Including 'Those poor defense workers'. Yet we have
liberals pissing and moaning about military costs and griping about spending
money to defend the country. So which one is it? Liberals keep talking out of
both sides of their mouths on this one. I'm for a smaller military and less
foreign intervention. How about you? Keeping in mind, there may be more dead
people because of our inability to come running to their aid.

I don't see that as a problem. People becoming dead is usually only a concern
for you Dems until we actually try to do something about it. Then we become
an invading horde from the empire, stealing oil. I think we've fallen for
this Democrat 'fair weather friend' BS enough. The next massacre in Lower
Goatfuckistan should be met with a call up of all the people who wish to
defend the long suffering what-evers. That should thin out the liberals. Not
by much, but some.

[Hugh Lawson]

You're out of touch, JE.

> Yet we have
> liberals pissing and moaning about military costs and griping about spending
> money to defend the country. So which one is it? Liberals keep talking out of
> both sides of their mouths on this one. I'm for a smaller military and less
> foreign intervention. How about you? Keeping in mind, there may be more dead
> people because of our inability to come running to their aid.
>
> I don't see that as a problem. People becoming dead is usually only a concern
> for you Dems until we actually try to do something about it. Then we become
> an invading horde from the empire, stealing oil. I think we've fallen for
> this Democrat 'fair weather friend' BS enough. The next massacre in Lower
> Goatfuckistan should be met with a call up of all the people who wish to
> defend the long suffering what-evers. That should thin out the liberals. Not
> by much, but some.

Piffle.

[slotrot]

On Oct 31, 6:56 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:14:45 -0400, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <53010c4d-e381-4247-914a-6d39943ae...@q16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

Speaking of talking out of both sides of their mouths; the Repubs
want to spend more on defence at the expense of medicare for
everyone.

Why do you "keep running to their aid"? Is it the oil or the weapons
of mass destruction (that haven't been found yet). Perhaps you should
close the 120 plus military bases in Japan.

I think you must be smart enough to understand that your federal and
state governments are in debt up to their proverbial butts (same thing
here). You must know that the only way to
reduce your debts is to increase taxes. Simple accounting. Lowering
taxes for the rich and robbing the elderly, simply won't do it,
regardless of what Romney/Ryan are spouting.

You are in debt to China for how many trillions??? And Romney wants
to spend trillions more on defence??? Simple math should tell you it
doesn't add up.

Uhh, I think it was you guys who wanted to invade Afghanistan after
you F*&^d up Iraq.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article
<5e648edc-d5e4-4b80...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

Ok, genius, still waiting for an explanation of where the money's coming
from.

>
> Why do you "keep running to their aid"? Is it the oil or the weapons
> of mass destruction (that haven't been found yet). Perhaps you should
> close the 120 plus military bases in Japan.

I'm not running to anybody's aid. If I had the power I would close a lot of
bases around the world. You keep repeating crap that doesn't relate to the
conversation. As you can see by the price of oil, we haven't exactly
conquered the world or confiscated oil production in Iraq. Yet you keep
repeating the old "it was about oil" crap. You Democrat buddies signed off on
the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. You remember, back when they were scared
shitless. "I voted for it before I voted against it". Sad.

>
> I think you must be smart enough to understand that your federal and
> state governments are in debt up to their proverbial butts (same thing
> here). You must know that the only way to
> reduce your debts is to increase taxes. Simple accounting. Lowering
> taxes for the rich and robbing the elderly, simply won't do it,
> regardless of what Romney/Ryan are spouting.

Really! Is that why Kennedy raised taxes. Oh wait he didn't. You do know
raising taxes doesn't increase revenue beyond a certain point? Don't get me
wrong, increase taxes. At some point the whole house of cards will collapse.
I have often posted that the problem is self-correcting. Eventually (as
Magaret Thatcher said) you run out of other people's money. I'm beginning to
think that's what it's going to take.

>
> You are in debt to China for how many trillions??? And Romney wants
> to spend trillions more on defence??? Simple math should tell you it
> doesn't add up.

I'm not in debt to anyone. When (not if) the collapse comes I'll be on my
acreage with a food supply to watch the fun. Actually, no. Romney wants a
return to a "normal" four percent of GDP. Obama has reduced the percentage.
What I don't like is pegging defense to a percentage of GDP. I think we can
save some money.

>
> Uhh, I think it was you guys who wanted to invade Afghanistan after
> you F*&^d up Iraq.

You are aware the war in Afghanistan started BEFORE the war in Iraq, right?
No!

[slotrot]

On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

The money would come from the same source as the trillions Romney
wants to spend for "National" defence.
You really believe the crap Romney/Ryan are spouting?

Yeah, yeah, I know the dates. The truth is you should not have
invaded Iraq in the first place, whether or not my dates are right or
wrong.

Well, cast your ballot for the Repugnants and you will have another
war in Iran. Just what the world needs. But that will help the
"military industrial complex" get richer, won't it.

Did you know that Romney wanted to let the auto industry go bankrupt,
but he and his wife made millions from the bailout funds? Hyprocrisy
or what???!!!

Jeez, are you paranoid or what? Do you belong to a renegade militia
group? God Help Amerika.

[slotrot]

On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
> >
>

Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
care plan.
For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
Obama's or Romney's plan?
If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
renew under both plans?
What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
Medicaid?

I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get
a bill for treatment. I pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
total. The $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because
I am 65+.

What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan
voucher system? What happens to the 35-45 million people covered
under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?

Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. What do the
Russian and French revolutions have in common?

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:24:22 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article
<dc798173-7680-40dc...@j18g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>):

>>> Speaking of talking out of both sides of their mouths; ï¿œthe Repubs

>>> want to spend more on defence at the expense of medicare for
>>> everyone.
>>

>> Ok, genius, still waiting for an explanation of ï¿œwhere the money's coming
>> from.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Why do you "keep running to their aid"? ï¿œIs it the oil or the weapons
>>> of mass destruction (that haven't been found yet). ï¿œPerhaps you should

>>> close the 120 plus military bases in Japan.
>>
>> I'm not running to anybody's aid. If I had the power I would close a lot of
>> bases around the world. You keep repeating crap that doesn't relate to the
>> conversation. As you can see by the price of oil, we haven't exactly
>> conquered the world or confiscated oil production in Iraq. Yet you keep
>> repeating the old "it was about oil" crap. You Democrat buddies signed off
>> on
>> the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. You remember, back when they were scared
>> shitless. "I voted for it before I voted against it". Sad.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I think you must be smart enough to understand that your federal and
>>> state governments are in debt up to their proverbial butts (same thing

>>> here). ï¿œYou must know that the only way to
>>> reduce your debts is to increase taxes. ï¿œSimple accounting. ï¿œLowering

>>> taxes for the rich and robbing the elderly, simply won't do it,
>>> regardless of what Romney/Ryan are spouting.
>>
>> Really! Is that why Kennedy raised taxes. Oh wait he didn't. You do know
>> raising taxes doesn't increase revenue beyond a certain point? Don't get me
>> wrong, increase taxes. At some point the whole house of cards will collapse.
>> I have often posted that the problem is self-correcting. Eventually (as
>> Magaret Thatcher said) you run out of other people's money. I'm beginning to
>> think that's what it's going to take.
>>
>>
>>

>>> You are in debt to China for how many trillions??? ï¿œAnd Romney wants
>>> to spend trillions more on defence??? ï¿œSimple math should tell you it

>>> doesn't add up.
>>
>> I'm not in debt to anyone. When (not if) the collapse comes I'll be on my
>> acreage with a food supply to watch the fun. Actually, no. Romney wants a
>> return to a "normal" four percent of GDP. Obama has reduced the percentage.
>> What I don't like is pegging defense to a percentage of GDP. I think we can
>> save some money.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Uhh, I think it was you guys who wanted to invade Afghanistan after
>>> you F*&^d up Iraq.
>>
>> You are aware the war in Afghanistan started BEFORE the war in Iraq, right?
>> No!
>
> The money would come from the same source as the trillions Romney
> wants to spend for "National" defence.
> You really believe the crap Romney/Ryan are spouting?
>
> Yeah, yeah, I know the dates. The truth is you should not have
> invaded Iraq in the first place, whether or not my dates are right or
> wrong.
>
> Well, cast your ballot for the Repugnants and you will have another
> war in Iran. Just what the world needs. But that will help the
> "military industrial complex" get richer, won't it.
>
> Did you know that Romney wanted to let the auto industry go bankrupt,
> but he and his wife made millions from the bailout funds? Hyprocrisy
> or what???!!!
>
> Jeez, are you paranoid or what? Do you belong to a renegade militia
> group? God Help Amerika.

And GM is doing better? No, they're not.
They only thing that happened at GM is that investors and salaried employees
got screwed in favor of the unions.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
(in article
<430d847a-665a-4641...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):

You might want to go back a little earlier. Exactly when did this
Medicare/Medicaid debacle begin? Have you ever considered what the role of
the federal government is in health care? And as we poor money into the
health industries pockets, what is the eventual outcome? Subsidizing health
care only causes the cost to go up. End result, collapse. At some point costs
will have to be reigned in, hopefully before the cost eats it alive.
Complaining about the might-be is a good plan.
You get charged for prescriptions? Really! How long you do guess it's going
to be before you charged for treatment?

[slotrot]

On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):

I am charged for treatment. In my taxes. It isn't going to collapse
because of subsidies. Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial
complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
the 99%.
You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
The government is supposed to be there for "the people". Oh, I
forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who
don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. That would help.

I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
When will I be charged for treatment? Not in the near future?

How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? Are
they rising? Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs? The
insurance companies!!!!

IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8
that doesn't have a national health care plan. Something like that
anyway. I'll have to check further.

Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. The only wasted
vote is a non-vote.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com>
wrote:

Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort
of national health care. But you've got realize that about 40% of the
US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens
on welfare. To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist
born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.
It's insane. And it's scary. And if left unchecked, it is the start
of America's descent from greatness.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:05:36 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article
<503aca3e-849b-42b4...@h15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):

Didn't you post that you can go to a hospital and not get billed for
treatment? So you do admit that you get billed from your taxes. Or somebody's
taxes.
And as medical costs go up? Aren't you going to be billed more in your taxes?
What's the end result?

It isn't going to collapse
> because of subsidies.

That reamins to be seen.

Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial
> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
> the 99%.
> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". Oh, I
> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.

Yes, they are. They're created by people, lead by people, and benefit people
like employees and share holders. And yet these people are supposed to be
silent if they disagree with liberals, unions and government. I'm sorry, I'm
a believer in free speech. Sometimes that speech doesn't agree with me. But
it's protected.

> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who
> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. That would help.

I'm all for reigning in military costs. Are you willing to chip in more to
send troops to all of the trouble spots in the world? Your choice of
location, of course. Might cut into your benefits a bit. You see, we (US) has
been kind of doing a Pax America thing for about fifty or so years.
Personally I think that's nuts. We're already at the point where the "rich"
pay the majority of taxes now. That's drives them overseas. That helps you
people, not us. It's time to end that.

>
> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
> When will I be charged for treatment? Not in the near future?
>
> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? Are
> they rising? Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs? The
> insurance companies!!!!

About eighty bucks a month. I get charged eight bucks for a prescription.
Don't have any at the moment.

>
> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8
> that doesn't have a national health care plan. Something like that
> anyway. I'll have to check further.

No we don't. The only plan is Medicare (federal) and Medicaid (states). Both
are going under from costs. We have to spend so much for the worlds defense
we can't afford one. We're gonna change that. MIght want to look around for
any healthy kids or grandkids to sacrifice on the alter of liberty and
freedom. We're tired of carrying the load.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <i3u798hr2mlp5uloj...@4ax.com>):

> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com>
> wrote:
>

>> On Nov 2, 8:58ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>> (in article
>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>>> (in article
>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>>>
>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
>>>> care plan.
>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
>>>> renew under both plans?
>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
>>>> Medicaid?
>>>
>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get

>>>> a bill for treatment. ï¿œI pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
>>>> total. ï¿œThe $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because

>>>> I am 65+.
>>>
>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

>>>> voucher system? ï¿œWhat happens to the 35-45 million people covered

>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>>>

>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. ï¿œWhat do the

I just love it when you people make shit up out of the air.
We have a party that has dedicated itself to a larger government and ever
increasing taxes. No one in the Republican party made these decisions for
them. You don't have to listen to me. Read their own press releases. At some
point the Democrat party decided to embrace group or groups of people and
work to their benefit. There are many people in this country that have made
this decision willfully and promote certain groups at every opportunity. They
use these groups against each other and against everyone else. Recently even
threatening violence. Divide and conquer. Look at he structure of the
Democrat party and tell me I'm wrong. We have unions vs corporations, blacks
vs whites, haves vs have-nots, gay vs straight, greenies vs everyone. So we
have a divisive party paying favors to various factions for continued support
of that same party. What does that sound like? Fascism, maybe? No, we'll just
call them socialists, it's a nicer term. The Dems have been pushing divisive
politics for most of my life. Larger government and larger payouts to party
factions. And, yes, it also favors corporate interests who play ball with the
party. As we've seen by the stimulas failure that went to supporters. Didn't
do a lot for the jobs situation but that wasn't the point.
Now let's address the "greedy" issue. You do know that conservatives give
more to charity than liberals? Romney paid more in taxes and voluntarily gave
more to charity than Obama and Biden put together by a wide margin.
Conservatives give, liberals take.
The 6000 year old thing crap is just that, crap.
Just so you'll know, our "descent from greatness" began in the sixties. We've
been struggling to contain the misery in the world since then. I suspect
that's about over. The money will run out eventually. Lots of folks will
suffer when the collapse comes. I seem to be in the minority on this. A lot
of folks don't see this happy bubble collapsing. Good luck with that.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:

Slotrot:

>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? Are
>> they rising? Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs? The
>> insurance companies!!!!

Edge:

> About eighty bucks a month. I get charged eight bucks for a prescription.
> Don't have any at the moment.

That's remarkable J.E. $80.00 a month! What kind of insurance is this?

HL

[slotrot]

On Nov 4, 6:47 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:05:36 -0500, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <503aca3e-849b-42b4-80ba-aadd13186...@h15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):

Which are going under? If it was that bad, why did Romney have his
state, when he was governor, enact a state universal medical plan?
Isn't it the same plan Obama enacted? Talk about ranting from both
sides of his mouth.
What is your cost for a health insurance policy for hospital care in a
severe medical emergency? Never mind your prescription costs. If I
don't have prescriptions, I don't pay anything.

I have never said there wasn't a cost to health care. You had better
put some money aside for your extra charges when the voucher system
hits you. That is assuming Romney/Ryan get elected.

Wrap your self in the flag. Liberty and freedom? The jokes on you.
The 1% are free to take your money. They are liberating yourself
while driving down wages. No money, no purchasing power, no
manufacturing.

Good luck, you are going to need it. Keep giving the billionaires and
millionaires millions more in tax breaks while you suck the life out
of your grandparents.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
>(in article <i3u798hr2mlp5uloj...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>> On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>> (in article
>>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
>>>>> care plan.
>>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
>>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
>>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
>>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
>>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
>>>>> renew under both plans?
>>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
>>>>> Medicaid?
>>>>
>>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get

>>>>> a bill for treatment.  I pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
>>>>> total.  The $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because

>>>>> I am 65+.
>>>>
>>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

>>>>> voucher system?  What happens to the 35-45 million people covered

>>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>>>>

>>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head.  What do the

See what I mean, slotrot? It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's
decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
right vote and a measure equality in the South. And it's no accident
Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
eye as to just why that might be.

[slotrot]

On Nov 4, 2:36 pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
> >(in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>
> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>

Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
lies about Obama. With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and
Faux News.
Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the GOP
(should be GOWP) are spewing.
But of course they have the lock-steppers like Mr. J On-Edge marching
failthfully into the voting booth to plant their X without having to
think.

The U.S. is a nice, no great place to visit, but if you get a
Repugnant president, it won't be a very nice place to live.
I wonder if Mr. On-Edge knows where and what the Hermitage is and what
its significance is?

[Hugh Lawson]

A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com writes:



AL:
> and it's no accident

> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
> eye as to just why that might be.

HL replies:

Piffle.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:12:39 -0800 (PST), slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com>
wrote:

Absolutely. If Obama were white, he'd win by landslide.

In the long run, changing demographics will sink the Republican Party
in its current far right white people's party incarnation. Most
likely it will eventually reinvent itself as a center/right party, as
it was in the mid 20th century.

Mr, Edge doubtlessly thinks of Andrew Jackson's home in Tennessee when
you say Hermitage. The Hermitage in Russia is the one that comes
first to my mind. But there are so many Hermitages in the world I'm
not sure which one you mean myself.

[Hugh Lawson]

A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com writes:


> And it's no accident
> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
> eye as to just why that might be.

1. I don't "worry obsessively about" about northern thought. I study it.
It can't be wrong to take Yankees seriously.

2. I don't "cast a blind eye". I study why SOME (not all) northerners do
this. Thanks to the writings of David Jansson, Jennifer Rae Greeson, and
Susan-Mary Grant, I have a satisfactory explanation.

A.Lurker seems defensive about being a northerner. It isn't his fault
how he was brought up.

hl

[slotrot]

On Nov 4, 7:49 pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:12:39 -0800 (PST), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>

St. Petersburg, Russia was what I was referring to . The Russian and
French Revolutions; high war debts, inequity between rich and poor.

Things to come, things to think of when it does. Of course this is
just my mind wandering.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:47:37 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article
<5956252e-ad98-4705...@o8g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>):

>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes.

>>
>> Didn't you post that you can go to a hospital and not get billed for
>> treatment? So you do admit that you get billed from your taxes. Or
>> somebody's
>> taxes.
>> And as medical costs go up? Aren't you going to be billed more in your
>> taxes?
>> What's the end result?
>>

>> ï¿œIt isn't going to collapse

>>
>>> because of subsidies.
>>
>> That reamins to be seen.
>>

>> ￜ Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

>>
>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
>>> the 99%.
>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.

>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>
>> Yes, they are. They're created by people, lead by people, and benefit people
>> like employees and share holders. And yet these people are supposed to be
>> silent if they disagree with liberals, unions and government. I'm sorry, I'm
>> a believer in free speech. Sometimes that speech doesn't agree with me. But
>> it's protected.
>>
>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who

>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>
>> I'm all for reigning in military costs. Are you willing to chip in more to
>> send troops to all of the trouble spots in the world? Your choice of
>> location, of course. Might cut into your benefits a bit. You see, we (US)
>> has
>> been kind of doing a Pax America thing for about fifty or so years.
>> Personally I think that's nuts. We're already at the point where the "rich"
>> pay the majority of taxes now. That's drives them overseas. That helps you
>> people, not us. It's time to end that.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.

>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?
>>
>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? ï¿œAre
>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs? ï¿œThe

>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>
>> About eighty bucks a month. I get charged eight bucks for a prescription.
>> Don't have any at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8

>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like that
>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.

>>
>> No we don't. The only plan is Medicare (federal) and Medicaid (states). Both
>> are going under from costs. We have to spend so much for the worlds defense
>> we can't afford one. We're gonna change that. MIght want to look around for
>> any healthy kids or grandkids to sacrifice on the alter of liberty and
>> freedom. We're tired of carrying the load.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only wasted

>>> vote is a non-vote.
>
> Which are going under? If it was that bad, why did Romney have his
> state, when he was governor, enact a state universal medical plan?
> Isn't it the same plan Obama enacted? Talk about ranting from both
> sides of his mouth.

Nope, it was a state plan. It's now in a world of hurt and deep in the hole.

> What is your cost for a health insurance policy for hospital care in a
> severe medical emergency? Never mind your prescription costs.

Well, you asked.
In severe medical emergency I will pay zero. I'll be going to the VA. It's
crap medical treatment (mainly because it's socialist in nature and totally
untied to results) but it's free.

If I
> don't have prescriptions, I don't pay anything.
>
> I have never said there wasn't a cost to health care.

Sure you did. You implied you wouldn't get a bill. Did you think I might not
understand nothing is free? You're getting a bill, sport. OK...somebody is
getting a bill.

You had better
> put some money aside for your extra charges when the voucher system
> hits you. That is assuming Romney/Ryan get elected.

See above.

>
> Wrap your self in the flag. Liberty and freedom? The jokes on you.
> The 1% are free to take your money. They are liberating yourself
> while driving down wages. No money, no purchasing power, no
> manufacturing.

That's what happens when you have the highest corporate tax. Companies flee

overseas. That helps you people, not us.

>

> Good luck, you are going to need it. Keep giving the billionaires and
> millionaires millions more in tax breaks while you suck the life out
> of your grandparents.

Ah...back to the 'push granny off the cliff' thing. Anything else?

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:20:30 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87zk2xu...@gmail.com>):

Part B medicare.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:35:59 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <lhgd98pmiee8925ln...@4ax.com>):

>>>>>> a bill for treatment. ï¿œI pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
>>>>>> total. ï¿œThe $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because

>>>>>> I am 65+.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

>>>>>> voucher system? ï¿œWhat happens to the 35-45 million people covered

>>>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>>>>>

>>>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. ï¿œWhat do the

Actually the 60's is the era of the spoiled flower children. Many of these
brats are still with us. I threw that in there so that you automatically
associate my comments with racial bias. I didn't, but you read into it what
you perceived.
Thanks.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:12:39 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article
<b6f1e545-fb11-4b8e...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):

>>>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes. ï¿œIt isn't going to collapse
>>>>> because of subsidies. ï¿œPerhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
>>>>> the 99%.
>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.

>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who

>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>
>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.

>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?
>>
>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? ï¿œAre

>>>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs? ï¿œThe

>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>
>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8

>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like that

>>>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.
>>
>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only wasted

>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>
>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort

>>>> of national health care. ï¿œBut you've got realize that about 40% of the

>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens

>>>> on welfare. ï¿œTo say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.

>>>> It's insane. ï¿œAnd it's scary. ï¿œAnd if left unchecked, it is the start

>> See what I mean, slotrot? ï¿œIt's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the

>> right vote and a measure equality in the South. ï¿œAnd it's no accident

>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>> eye as to just why that might be.
>
> Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
> lies about Obama. With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and
> Faux News.
> Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
> be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the GOP
> (should be GOWP) are spewing.
> But of course they have the lock-steppers like Mr. J On-Edge marching
> failthfully into the voting booth to plant their X without having to
> think.
>
> The U.S. is a nice, no great place to visit, but if you get a
> Repugnant president, it won't be a very nice place to live.
> I wonder if Mr. On-Edge knows where and what the Hermitage is and what
> its significance is?
>

Are we also making up four years of incompetence with no jobs, ever
increasing government (size and cost), a credit downgrade, foreign policy
disasters, a stimulas that when to "shovel ready" projects (that apparently
weren't).
We'll leave aside the four years of being called racist 'cause that's just
the nice guys we are.
BTW, you do know that Obama isn't black. He's half and half, but like all
Democrats, 100% incompetent.

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 19:49:30 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <4e2e98hkf6218m768...@4ax.com>):

> Absolutely. If Obama were white, he'd win by landslide.

Go ask Jimmy Carter how that works.

[Hugh Lawson]

You old moocher, you. LOL.

hl

[slotrot]

On Nov 5, 6:47 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:35:59 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
> (in article <lhgd98pmiee8925ln5cgtamfi8u9pvf...@4ax.com>):

>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote

> >> (in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>
> >>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
> >>> wrote:

>
> >>>> On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
> >>>>> (in article
> >>>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>

> >>>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> >>>>>>> (in article
> >>>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >>>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
> >>>>>> care plan.
> >>>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
> >>>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
> >>>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
> >>>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
> >>>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
> >>>>>> renew under both plans?
> >>>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
> >>>>>> Medicaid?
>
> >>>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get

> >>>>>> a bill for treatment.  I pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
> >>>>>> total.  The $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because

> >>>>>> I am 65+.
>
> >>>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

> >>>>>> voucher system?  What happens to the 35-45 million people covered

> >>>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>

> >>>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head.  What do the

No I think you are misguided. You can't abide anyone different than
you.
Racial bias? Don't know you personally so I can't comment. However,
I do believe your presidential election race has a racial bias.

Good luck tomorrow. Not that anything will change for me.

[slotrot]

On Nov 5, 6:54 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:12:39 -0500, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <b6f1e545-fb11-4b8e-a7d3-8389f6aaa...@b6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):

> >>>>> I am charged for treatment.  In my taxes.  It isn't going to collapse
> >>>>> because of subsidies.  Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

> >>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
> >>>>> the 99%.
> >>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.

> >>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people".  Oh, I

> >>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
> >>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who

> >>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes.  That would help.

>
> >>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.

> >>>>> When will I be charged for treatment?  Not in the near future?
>
> >>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance?  Are
> >>>>> they rising?  Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs?  The

> >>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>
> >>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8

> >>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan.  Something like that

> >>>>> anyway.  I'll have to check further.
>
> >>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for.  The only wasted

> >>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>
> >>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort

> >>>> of national health care.  But you've got realize that about 40% of the

> >>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
> >>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
> >>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
> >>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens

> >>>> on welfare.  To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

> >>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.

> >>>> It's insane.  And it's scary.  And if left unchecked, it is the start

> >> See what I mean, slotrot?  It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

> >> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the

> >> right vote and a measure equality in the South.  And it's no accident

> >> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
> >> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
> >> eye as to just why that might be.
>
> > Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
> > lies about Obama.  With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and
> > Faux News.
> > Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
> > be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the  GOP
> > (should be GOWP)  are spewing.
> > But of course they have the lock-steppers like Mr. J On-Edge marching
> > failthfully into the voting booth to plant their X without having to
> > think.
>
> > The U.S. is a nice, no great place to visit, but if you get a
> > Repugnant president, it won't be a very nice place to live.
> > I wonder if Mr. On-Edge knows where and what the Hermitage is and what
> > its significance is?
>
> Are we also making up four years of incompetence with no jobs, ever
> increasing government (size and cost), a credit downgrade, foreign policy
> disasters, a stimulas that when to "shovel ready" projects (that apparently
> weren't).
> We'll leave aside the four years of being called racist 'cause that's just
> the nice guys we are.
> BTW, you do know that Obama isn't black. He's half and half, but like all
> Democrats, 100% incompetent.

You seem to forget the Republican Congress who's main goal was to
defeat Obama, not govern.
Funny, you guys want smaller government and less governmental
interference, yet you expect the government to provide jobs.
Government doesn't provide jobs, spending by the middle class created
jobs. Now, the lowering of wages, the attack on unions and member
benefits sinks your economy even further.

Check again. The economy has improved over four years and actually
made up the losses during Bush's time for job creation, even creating
more.
You think because miracles didn't happen over night, changing to
Romney/Ryan is going to corrrect the problem? Good luck with that.

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:59:57 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <877gq0n...@gmail.com>):

> Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:20:30 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote
>> (in article <87zk2xu...@gmail.com>):
>>
>>> Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:
>>>
>>> Slotrot:
>>>
>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? Are
>>>>> they rising? Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs? The
>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>>
>>> Edge:
>>>> About eighty bucks a month. I get charged eight bucks for a prescription.
>>>> Don't have any at the moment.
>>>
>>> That's remarkable J.E. $80.00 a month! What kind of insurance is this?
>>>
>>> HL
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Part B medicare.
>
> You old moocher, you. LOL.
>
> hl

Yes, after 40 plus years, I get to mooch. It's an odd feeling.

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:40:26 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article
<17d2ad12-6d02-45c1...@r5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>):

Well considering that they are the OPPOSITION party, I would think 'Yeah,
that is their job'. When you don't have control of the government for two
years and control only one branch for two more it's hard to "govern". If by
"govern" you mean cave to whatever the Dems want, sorry, not going to happen.

And who on the conservative side said it's the governments job to provide
employment? Nobody. That's a Dem thing.
And you seem to have forgotten that with jobs fleeing overseas there isn't
the money to spend to fuel the economy. The lowering of wages come from fewer
jobs and an excess of workers. There is no "attack" on unions. Too many
Americans have seen that unions have become a business in their own right and
refuse to have anything to do with them.

>
> Check again. The economy has improved over four years and actually
> made up the losses during Bush's time for job creation, even creating
> more.
> You think because miracles didn't happen over night, changing to
> Romney/Ryan is going to corrrect the problem? Good luck with that.
>

I have checked. There's a reason why the current administration hasn't pushed
the economy as a reason for re-election, want to guess why?

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:18:21 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article
<89a95fc1-d8a1-4359...@c16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):

> On Nov 5, 6:47ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:35:59 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
>> (in article <lhgd98pmiee8925ln5cgtamfi8u9pvf...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
>>>> (in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>

>>>>>> On Nov 2, 8:58ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>>

>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
>>>>>>>> care plan.
>>>>>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
>>>>>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
>>>>>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
>>>>>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
>>>>>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
>>>>>>>> renew under both plans?
>>>>>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
>>>>>>>> Medicaid?
>>
>>>>>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get

>>>>>>>> a bill for treatment. ï¿œI pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
>>>>>>>> total. ï¿œThe $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because

>>>>>>>> I am 65+.
>>
>>>>>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

>>>>>>>> voucher system? ï¿œWhat happens to the 35-45 million people covered

>>>>>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>>

>>>>>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. ï¿œWhat do the

>>>>>>>> Russian and French revolutions have in common?
>>
>>>>>>> You might want to go back a little earlier. Exactly when did this
>>>>>>> Medicare/Medicaid debacle begin? Have you ever considered what the role
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the federal government is in health care? And as we poor money into the
>>>>>>> health industries pockets, what is the eventual outcome? Subsidizing
>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>> care only causes the cost to go up. End result, collapse. At some point
>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>> will have to be reigned in, hopefully before the cost eats it alive.
>>>>>>> Complaining about the might-be is a good plan.
>>>>>>> You get charged for prescriptions? Really! How long you do guess it's
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to be before you charged for treatment?
>>

>>>>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes. ï¿œIt isn't going to collapse
>>>>>> because of subsidies. ï¿œPerhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
>>>>>> the 99%.
>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.

>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who

>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>
>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.

>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?
>>
>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? ï¿œAre

>>>>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs? ï¿œThe

>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>
>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8

>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like that

>>>>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.
>>
>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only wasted

>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>
>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort

>>>>> of national health care. ï¿œBut you've got realize that about 40% of the

>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens

>>>>> on welfare. ï¿œTo say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.

>>>>> It's insane. ï¿œAnd it's scary. ï¿œAnd if left unchecked, it is the start

>>> See what I mean, slotrot? ï¿œIt's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the

>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South. ï¿œAnd it's no accident

>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>>
>> Actually the 60's is the era of the spoiled flower children. Many of these
>> brats are still with us. I threw that in there so that you automatically
>> associate my comments with racial bias. I didn't, but you read into it what
>> you perceived.
>> Thanks.
>
> No I think you are misguided. You can't abide anyone different than
> you.

You can't conceive of anyone disagreeing with you.

> Racial bias? Don't know you personally so I can't comment.

You already did.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:

[ snip ]

> Yes, after 40 plus years, I get to mooch. It's an odd feeling.

What did you do AM (ante mooch-hood)?

hl

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 05:40:26 -0800 (PST), slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com>
wrote:

This has been an election remarkably unaffected by facts because the
Republicans are immune to facts. They have developed a right wing
fantasy world and they are quite happy to live in it regardless of the
facts. Indeed, they are insistent upon it. It really is a very
worrisome trend in American politics, as is the worshipping of the
wealthy that goes with it. On the other hand, changing demographics
are against them and I have seen it suggested that win or lose this
election will be the Republicans' last hurrah. One can only hope.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 06:55:15 -0500, Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net>
wrote:

Mitt Romney is no Ronald Reagan. To put it mildly. And Obama is far
more competent than Jimmy Carter was. Carter wasn't a whole lot more
prepared to be president than Sarah Palin.

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 09:45:59 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87wqxyx...@gmail.com>):

Forty five plus years working. Forty years getting paid for it. I've been
working since I was ten. Twenty six years industrial electrician/ field
service engineer (fancy term). I was the guy they called when everything else
failed, electrically speaking.
Eighteen years in the military, my numbers. Their numbers, sixteen years in
the military.

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:18:39 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <q9ai98horubrl81vu...@4ax.com>):

How does that change the statement? Carter was white, southern and the
darling of the Dem party. "If Obama were white"; Carter was white, didn't
help him any.
It doesn't matter what Mitt Romney is or isn't. What matters is the
similarity of Obama to Carter. And throwing Carter under the bus doesn't
change history.
I guess we're now going to find out what a disaster a Carter re-election
would have been.

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:10:12 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <i2ai98h2i06d4hvi9...@4ax.com>):

Hope all you want, it doesn't change facts. The money is running out. The
world is about to get more dangerous. Good luck.

[slotrot]

Actually, the world will be a better, safer place. We won't have the hounds of war yelping at Romney to attack Iran and create another disaster like Iraq. Our prime minister at that time was smart enough to keep us out of Iraq.

Money running out? 6 billion spent on this election!!! There's money out there, all in the wrong places.

Romney had it exactly right in his thank-you address. He was asking everyone to "put the people ahead of politics". If he had been that honest and forthright in his campaign, instead of pandering to the radical right, he probably would have won. We'll never know.

And then we have The Donald. What a joke!! He says the world will be laughing at the U.S. because your president was re-elected. Trump is the joke! He wanted to start another revolution, for pete' sake. And you believe in an idiot like that?

You want money to start flowing again? Get your industries and manufacturing back from China, Vietnam, Mexico (that's a difficult one - NAFTA), pay a half-decent wage, and things will get better.

Have a great day.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


> Forty five plus years working. Forty years getting paid for it. I've been
> working since I was ten. Twenty six years industrial electrician/ field
> service engineer (fancy term). I was the guy they called when everything else
> failed, electrically speaking.
> Eighteen years in the military, my numbers. Their numbers, sixteen years in
> the military.

Sounds like a good working life.

hl

[slotrot]

On Nov 6, 8:00 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:18:21 -0500, slotrot wrote
> (in article

> <89a95fc1-d8a1-4359-8958-89b0660d4...@c16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 5, 6:47 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:35:59 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
> >> (in article <lhgd98pmiee8925ln5cgtamfi8u9pvf...@4ax.com>):
>
> >>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
> >>>> (in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>

> >>>>>> On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
> >>>>>>> (in article
> >>>>>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>

> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> >>>>>>>>> (in article
> >>>>>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):
>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
> >>>>>>>> care plan.
> >>>>>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
> >>>>>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
> >>>>>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
> >>>>>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
> >>>>>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
> >>>>>>>> renew under both plans?
> >>>>>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
> >>>>>>>> Medicaid?
>
> >>>>>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get

> >>>>>>>> a bill for treatment.  I pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
> >>>>>>>> total.  The $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because

> >>>>>>>> I am 65+.
>
> >>>>>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

> >>>>>>>> voucher system?  What happens to the 35-45 million people covered

> >>>>>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>

> >>>>>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head.  What do the

> >>>>>>>> Russian and French revolutions have in common?
>
> >>>>>>> You might want to go back a little earlier. Exactly when did this
> >>>>>>> Medicare/Medicaid debacle begin? Have you ever considered what the role
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the federal government is in health care? And as we poor money into the
> >>>>>>> health industries pockets, what is the eventual outcome? Subsidizing
> >>>>>>> health
> >>>>>>> care only causes the cost to go up. End result, collapse. At some point
> >>>>>>> costs
> >>>>>>> will have to be reigned in, hopefully before the cost eats it alive.
> >>>>>>> Complaining about the might-be is a good plan.
> >>>>>>> You get charged for prescriptions? Really! How long you do guess it's
> >>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>> to be before you charged for treatment?
>

> >>>>>> I am charged for treatment.  In my taxes.  It isn't going to collapse
> >>>>>> because of subsidies.  Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

> >>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
> >>>>>> the 99%.
> >>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.

> >>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people".  Oh, I

> >>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
> >>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who

> >>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes.  That would help.

>
> >>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.

> >>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment?  Not in the near future?
>
> >>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance?  Are
> >>>>>> they rising?  Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs?  The

> >>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>
> >>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8

> >>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan.  Something like that

> >>>>>> anyway.  I'll have to check further.
>
> >>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for.  The only wasted

> >>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>
> >>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort

> >>>>> of national health care.  But you've got realize that about 40% of the

> >>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
> >>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
> >>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
> >>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens

> >>>>> on welfare.  To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

> >>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.

> >>>>> It's insane.  And it's scary.  And if left unchecked, it is the start

> >>> See what I mean, slotrot?  It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

> >>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the

> >>> right vote and a measure equality in the South.  And it's no accident

> >>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
> >>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
> >>> eye as to just why that might be.
>
> >> Actually the 60's is the era of the spoiled flower children. Many of these
> >> brats are still with us. I threw that in there so that you automatically
> >> associate my comments with racial bias. I didn't, but you read into it what
> >> you perceived.
> >> Thanks.
>
> > No I think you are misguided.  You can't abide anyone different than
> > you.
>
> You can't conceive of anyone disagreeing with you.
>
> > Racial bias?  Don't know you personally so I can't comment.
>
> You already did.
>
>   However,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I do believe your presidential election race has a racial bias.
>
> > Good luck tomorrow.  Not that anything will change for me.

The presidential election is not you, is it? Read it again.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:49:32 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <87ehk5n...@gmail.com>):

Yeah, I miss it. The travel to various states and foreign countries. And the
work, oddly enough. I still get up at five very morning.

[MITO MINISTER]

On Nov 8, 10:22 pm, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 12:49:32 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote

> (in article <87ehk5nw0j....@gmail.com>):

>
> > Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> writes:
>
> >> Forty five plus years working. Forty years getting paid for it. I've been
> >> working since I was ten. Twenty six years industrial electrician/ field
> >> service engineer (fancy term). I was the guy they called when everything
> >> else
> >> failed, electrically speaking.
> >> Eighteen years in the military, my numbers. Their numbers, sixteen years in
> >> the military.
>
> > Sounds like a good working life.
>
> > hl
>
> Yeah, I miss it. The travel to various states and foreign countries. And the
> work, oddly enough. I still get up at five very morning.

Trips on the gubment's dime, you fucking slacker!

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:19:31 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article
<8756d927-5f6b-4909...@r6g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>):

> On Nov 6, 8:00ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:18:21 -0500, slotrot wrote
>> (in article
>> <89a95fc1-d8a1-4359-8958-89b0660d4...@c16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 5, 6:47ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:35:59 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
>>>> (in article <lhgd98pmiee8925ln5cgtamfi8u9pvf...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
>>>>>> (in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>

>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 8:58ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>>

>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16ï¿œam, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (in article
>>>>>>>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> ):
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's
>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>> care plan.
>>>>>>>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
>>>>>>>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
>>>>>>>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
>>>>>>>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
>>>>>>>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
>>>>>>>>>> renew under both plans?
>>>>>>>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
>>>>>>>>>> Medicaid?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not
>>>>>>>>>> get

>>>>>>>>>> a bill for treatment. ï¿œI pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
>>>>>>>>>> total. ï¿œThe $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan

>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> I am 65+.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan

>>>>>>>>>> voucher system? ï¿œWhat happens to the 35-45 million people covered

>>>>>>>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?
>>

>>>>>>>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. ï¿œWhat do the

>>>>>>>>>> Russian and French revolutions have in common?
>>
>>>>>>>>> You might want to go back a little earlier. Exactly when did this
>>>>>>>>> Medicare/Medicaid debacle begin? Have you ever considered what the
>>>>>>>>> role
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the federal government is in health care? And as we poor money into
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> health industries pockets, what is the eventual outcome? Subsidizing
>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>> care only causes the cost to go up. End result, collapse. At some
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>> costs
>>>>>>>>> will have to be reigned in, hopefully before the cost eats it alive.
>>>>>>>>> Complaining about the might-be is a good plan.
>>>>>>>>> You get charged for prescriptions? Really! How long you do guess it's
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to be before you charged for treatment?
>>

>>>>>>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes. ï¿œIt isn't going to collapse
>>>>>>>> because of subsidies. ï¿œPerhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

>>>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
>>>>>>>> the 99%.
>>>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.

>>>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who

>>>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>
>>>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.

>>>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?
>>
>>>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? ï¿œAre

>>>>>>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs? ï¿œThe

>>>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>
>>>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8

>>>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like that

>>>>>>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.
>>
>>>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only wasted

>>>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>
>>>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort

>>>>>>> of national health care. ï¿œBut you've got realize that about 40% of the

>>>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
>>>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
>>>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens

>>>>>>> on welfare. ï¿œTo say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

>>>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.

>>>>>>> It's insane. ï¿œAnd it's scary. ï¿œAnd if left unchecked, it is the start

>>>>> See what I mean, slotrot? ï¿œIt's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>>>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the

>>>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South. ï¿œAnd it's no accident

>>>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
>>>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>>>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>>
>>>> Actually the 60's is the era of the spoiled flower children. Many of these
>>>> brats are still with us. I threw that in there so that you automatically
>>>> associate my comments with racial bias. I didn't, but you read into it
>>>> what
>>>> you perceived.
>>>> Thanks.
>>

>>> No I think you are misguided. ï¿œYou can't abide anyone different than

>>> you.
>>
>> You can't conceive of anyone disagreeing with you.
>>

>>> Racial bias? ï¿œDon't know you personally so I can't comment.
>>
>> You already did.
>>
>> ￜ However,

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I do believe your presidential election race has a racial bias.
>>

>>> Good luck tomorrow. ï¿œNot that anything will change for me.

>
> The presidential election is not you, is it? Read it again.

What racial bias are you referring to?

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 08:43:39 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <f6add43a-eb79-4305...@googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes. ï¿œIt isn't going to
>>>>>>>>>> collapse
>>
>>>>>>>>>> because of subsidies. ï¿œPerhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

>>
>>>>>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>
>>>>>>>>>> the 99%.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
>>

>>>>>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>
>>>>>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who
>>

>>>>>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
>>

>>>>>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? ï¿œAre
>>

>>>>>>>>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs?
>>>>>>>>>> ï¿œThe

>>
>>>>>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8
>>

>>>>>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like that
>>

>>>>>>>>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only wasted

>>
>>>>>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort
>>

>>>>>>>>> of national health care. ï¿œBut you've got realize that about 40% of

>>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care
>>>>>>>>> is
>>
>>>>>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
>>
>>>>>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>
>>>>>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens
>>

>>>>>>>>> on welfare. ï¿œTo say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

>>
>>>>>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years
>>>>>>>>> old.
>>

>>>>>>>>> It's insane. ï¿œAnd it's scary. ï¿œAnd if left unchecked, it is the start

>>>>>>> See what I mean, slotrot? ï¿œIt's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>>
>>>>>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
>>

>>>>>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South. ï¿œAnd it's no accident

>>
>>>>>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
>>
>>>>>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>>
>>>>>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
>>

>>>>>> lies about Obama. ï¿œWith help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and

>>
>>>>>> Faux News.
>>
>>>>>> Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
>>

>>>>>> be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the ï¿œGOP
>>
>>>>>> (should be GOWP) ï¿œare spewing.

Exactly where have I referenced Donald Trump? You're assigning your beliefs
to me.
Sorry, we're not going to have the money for a free ride to all the countries
of the world. Might want to consider upping defense spending. You choice.
Yep, and none of that money is yours, pudding. As much as you might want it
to be. Envy is a terrible thing.
The last paragraph is mere stupidity.

[slotrot]

> >>>>>>>>>> I am charged for treatment.  In my taxes.  It isn't going to
>
> >>>>>>>>>> collapse
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> because of subsidies.  Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care
>
> >>>>>>>>>> of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> the 99%.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people".  Oh, I

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes.  That would help.

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment?  Not in the near future?
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance?  Are
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> they rising?  Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs?

>
> >>>>>>>>>>  The
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan.  Something like that
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>>> anyway.  I'll have to check further.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for.  The only wasted

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>> of national health care.  But you've got realize that about 40% of

>
> >>>>>>>>> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care
>
> >>>>>>>>> is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>> on welfare.  To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years
>
> >>>>>>>>> old.
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>>>> It's insane.  And it's scary.  And if left unchecked, it is the start

> >>>>>>> See what I mean, slotrot?  It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South.  And it's no accident

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>> lies about Obama.  With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and

>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Faux News.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>> be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the  GOP
>
> >>
>

> >>>>>> (should be GOWP)  are spewing.

I had submitted a response but don't see it. Anyway I have no idea what paragraph you are referring to about being stupid. Let me know.

As for defense spending, we are in the process of spending billions on an ill-fated F-35 stealth fighter that is costing us more and more and more everday with no delivery day in sight. Your welcome. We'll help keep your military-industrial complex viable.

As for envy, can't figure that one out. I may be repeating myself should me previous post appear but I'll try to cover all those important points previously submitted: You have nothing I envy. I have and own my own home, two late model vehicles; a van and a small suv, both paid for. I have; a generous pension, medical/dental coverage (dental I'm covered under my wife's policy), investments (McDonalds, Microsoft, Johnson & Johnson, +++). I have enough cash on hand to handle any emergency, a loving wife, a 14 year old golden retriever, a new snow-thrower, a new down parka good for 40 below, good health,,and so on. You get the picture. You have nothing I want or need.

My dollar is worth a bit more than your dollar, I travel to the U.S. frequently (upper state New York) and we will be there for your Thanksgiving and the fun Black Friday for shopping.

I can't remember what else I wrote but this will suffice for the moment. As for Donald Trump. You sound like a Republican/Conservative, and I therefore put him in your camp (or you in his) so that was why I referred to him, one of the more radical Repugnants.

Oh yes, the opposition. The opposition is not there just to "oppose" but to be constructive and offer other viable solutions, not just to be contrary and oppose anything and everything. But, that is what Boehner and McConnell vowed to do. Be constructive, not just destructive.

Anyhow, enjoy the rest of your day and if both of my posts appear; lucky me.

[Hugh Lawson]

Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net> writes:


>> Sounds like a good working life.
>>
>> hl
>>
>
> Yeah, I miss it. The travel to various states and foreign countries. And the
> work, oddly enough. I still get up at five very morning.

To have a job; to be respected for what you can do; for regular people
it doesn't get better than that.

hl

[MITO MINISTER]

On Nov 5, 11:34 am, slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 7:49 pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 12:12:39 -0800 (PST), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > >On Nov 4, 2:36 pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
> > >> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
> > >> >(in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):
>
> > >> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
> > >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >>> On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> > >> >>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
> > >> >>>> (in article
> > >> >>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > >> >>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> > >> >>>>>> (in article

> > >> >>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

> > Absolutely.  If Obama were white, he'd win by landslide.
>

> > In the long run, changing demographics will sink the Republican Party
> > in its current far right white people's party incarnation.  Most
> > likely it will eventually reinvent itself as a center/right party, as
> > it was in the mid 20th century.
>
> > Mr, Edge doubtlessly thinks of Andrew Jackson's home in Tennessee when
> > you say Hermitage.  The Hermitage in Russia is the one that comes
> > first to my mind.  But there are so many Hermitages in the world I'm
> > not sure which one you mean myself.
>
> St. Petersburg, Russia was what I was referring to .  The Russian and
> French Revolutions;  high war debts, inequity between rich and poor.
>
> Things to come, things to think of when it does.  Of course this is
> just my mind wandering.

You're wasting your time. Discussing the Hermitage Museum in Petrograd
(SOCIALISM IN ONE COUNTRY!) with Edge is a proverbial "casting pearls
before swine" scenario.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:54:26 -0800 (PST), slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com>

Mr. Edge is as clueless about Canada as he is about everything else.
The notion that people are coveting their money is a common Republican
paranoid delusion. Apparently they assume that everyone is as
covetous as they are.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:54:26 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <7819e2e9-f909-45fd...@googlegroups.com>):

>>>>>>>>>>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes. ï¿œIt isn't going to
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of subsidies. ï¿œPerhaps if the oil, gas,

>>>>>>>>>>>> military-industrial
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take
>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the 99%.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance?

>>>>>>>>>>>> ï¿œAre
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ï¿œThe

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> G8
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only wasted

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some
>>>>>>>>>>> sort
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>> of national health care. ï¿œBut you've got realize that about 40% of

>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health
>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and
>>>>>>>>>>> queens
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>> on welfare. ï¿œTo say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim

>>>>>>>>>>> Communist
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> old.
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>>>> It's insane. ï¿œAnd it's scary. ï¿œAnd if left unchecked, it is the

>>>>>>>>> See what I mean, slotrot? ï¿œIt's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South. ï¿œAnd it's no accident

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>> lies about Obama. ï¿œWith help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and

>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Faux News.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>> be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the ï¿œGOP
>>
>>>>
>>

>>>>>>>> (should be GOWP) ï¿œare spewing.

Your choice. Welcome to what we've been doing for decades.
'Boo-hoo, we gotta spend money on defense'
Simple answer, don't do it.

>
> As for envy, can't figure that one out.

"There's money out there, all in the wrong places"

Good thing you son't get to decide the 'right places'. Wealth envy.

I may be repeating myself should me
> previous post appear but I'll try to cover all those important points
> previously submitted: You have nothing I envy. I have and own my own home,
> two late model vehicles; a van and a small suv, both paid for. I have; a
> generous pension, medical/dental coverage (dental I'm covered under my wife's

> policy), investments (McDonalds, Microsoft, Johnson & Johnson, +++). I have
> enough cash on hand to handle any emergency, a loving wife, a 14 year old
> golden retriever, a new snow-thrower, a new down parka good for 40 below,
> good health,,and so on. You get the picture. You have nothing I want or
> need.

A new parka? Good for you! See above.

>
> My dollar is worth a bit more than your dollar, I travel to the U.S.
> frequently (upper state New York) and we will be there for your Thanksgiving
> and the fun Black Friday for shopping.
>
> I can't remember what else I wrote but this will suffice for the moment. As
> for Donald Trump. You sound like a Republican/Conservative, and I therefore
> put him in your camp (or you in his) so that was why I referred to him, one
> of the more radical Repugnants.

Repugnants? Yeah, no ideology there. Donald Trump is a joke. He's the
Roseanne Barr of the right. I'm not stupid enough to think Roseanne
represents the left. Why do you assume Trump represents the right? Answer:
because you want to.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 23:48:35 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <9c2p98tfqb66fvf2a...@4ax.com>):

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am charged for treatment. ï¿œIn my taxes. ï¿œIt isn't going to
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of subsidies. ï¿œPerhaps if the oil, gas,

>>>>>>>>>>>>> military-industrial
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take
>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 99%.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". ï¿œOh, I

>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. ï¿œThat would help.

>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment? ï¿œNot in the near future?

>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance?

>>>>>>>>>>>>> ï¿œAre
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they rising? ï¿œWho is getting the benefit of the increased costs?
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ï¿œThe

>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> G8
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. ï¿œSomething like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway. ï¿œI'll have to check further.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. ï¿œThe only

>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> of national health care. ï¿œBut you've got realize that about 40%

>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health
>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and
>>>>>>>>>>>> queens
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> on welfare. ï¿œTo say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim

>>>>>>>>>>>> Communist
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> old.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> It's insane. ï¿œAnd it's scary. ï¿œAnd if left unchecked, it is the

>>>>>>>>>> See what I mean, slotrot? ï¿œIt's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South. ï¿œAnd it's no

>>>>>>>>>> accident
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>> lies about Obama. ï¿œWith help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs,

>>>>>>>>> and
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Faux News.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>> be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the ï¿œGOP
>>>
>>>>>
>>>

>>>>>>>>> (should be GOWP) ï¿œare spewing.

You might want check the welfare rolls in this country. Also the
pronouncements by Obama "spread the wealth", "tax the rich", "pay their fair
share", etc. Seem to point to a great deal of wealth envy by the Democrat
party. But that's OK, you can belief the media instead of believing your own
lying ears. The man said it. Along with many proven years of "wealth
redistribution by liberals and the Dem party.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:23:44 -0500, MITO MINISTER wrote
(in article
<bec3dbcf-a1be-4dd1...@ah9g2000pbd.googlegroups.com>):

Thirteen years were on a private companies dime. And somebody has to help out
you foreigners, Mito.
Fail again, Mito.

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 20:35:51 -0500, Hugh Lawson wrote
(in article <871ug3i...@gmail.com>):

Amen, brother.

[slotrot]

On Friday, 9 November 2012 07:17:05 UTC-5, Joel Edge wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:54:26 -0500, slotrot wrote
>

> Good thing you son't get to decide the 'right places'. Wealth envy.
>
>

You talk about the country going into an economic free-fall yet you can't seem to understand simple economics. Pay more taxes and quit giving susidies to the oil, gas, energy sector in general, who have spent millions trying to get the president out-voted. Well, hows that working for you? Ask Karl Rove.
We call that corporate welfare.

>
> I may be repeating myself should me
>
> >>

> Repugnants? Yeah, no ideology there. Donald Trump is a joke. He's the
>
> Roseanne Barr of the right. I'm not stupid enough to think Roseanne
>
> represents the left. Why do you assume Trump represents the right? Answer:
>
> because you want to.

Trump is a joke, you are right. But he supported Romney and that puts him in the Republican camp. Fortunately, there are more Trumps in the Republican camp than are in the Democrats camp. Barr is an idiot, but Trump is the laughing stock these days. Imagine; wanting a revolution.
>
>
>
> >
>
Wealth envy? What's that? As for defense spending? I don't have problem with that. No crying here. I don't mind paying for such necessities when they are necessary. But to buy something on speculation??? That's stupid. Even your military is cutting back on orders as is Australia and others for the F.35. Someone sold our military a bill of goods. Imagine, flying the Arctic in a single-engine aircraft!!!

But, in spite of all efforts by Rove, the Koch's, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, the energy sector, the banks, etc, etc, etc, President Obama still occupies the Whitehouse (which we burned, if you remember);-).

Now you are driving (not you specifically) towards the fiscal cliff. All those Repulemmings will all go thrashing and crashing over the edge because they are so intent on destroying the presidency, that they are willing to sacrifice your YOUR country for ideology. God Bless America, God Help Americans.

You have a wonderul week-end and let us not forget all those who sacrificed everything so that you and I can enjoy the freedoms that we have.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:23:55 -0500, Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net>
wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am charged for treatment.  In my taxes.  It isn't going to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapse
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of subsidies.  Perhaps if the oil, gas,

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> military-industrial
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 99%.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people".  Oh, I

>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes.  That would help.

>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When will I be charged for treatment?  Not in the near future?

>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Are
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they rising?  Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs?

>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  The
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurance companies!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G8
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that doesn't have a national health care plan.  Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.  I'll have to check further.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for.  The only

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote is a non-vote.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of national health care.  But you've got realize that about 40%

>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health
>>>>>>>>>>>>> care
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> queens
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> on welfare.  To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communist
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> old.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's insane.  And it's scary.  And if left unchecked, it is the

>>>>>>>>>>> See what I mean, slotrot?  It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's

>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> right vote and a measure equality in the South.  And it's no

>>>>>>>>>>> accident
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> eye as to just why that might be.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> lies about Obama.  With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs,

>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Faux News.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the  GOP
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> (should be GOWP)  are spewing.

The rich should pay taxes like the rest of us. And by the way, you
should pay your taxes, too, Mr. Edge -- so many Republican voters,
especially those of the Tea Party persuasion, are nothing but would-be
tax evaders, although only the wealthy can play that game successfully
without breaking the law.

We used to have a progressive income tax where tax rates went up the
more you earned. But now we effectively have a regressive income tax,
thanks to the Republicans, where the rich pay half the rate middle
class taxpayers do, if they pay at all.

In any event, your traditional white Southern values and vision of the
US lost Tuesday. Hopefully they will always lose in the end because
they are backward and they are un-American. Hugh is offended that
people notice this but at times it can't be helped.

[Hugh Lawson]

A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com writes:

[ snip ]

> Hugh is offended


"A.Lurker" pretends to know what he does not know.

[Hugh Lawson]

A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com writes:


[ snip ]

> In any event, your traditional white Southern values and vision of the
> US lost Tuesday. Hopefully they will always lose in the end because
> they are backward and they are un-American.

I don't try to talk people out of lurid sectionalistic opinions like
A.Lurker's. I just want to demonstrate the existence of such opinions
among some northerners. Hence, the posts of A.Lurker, along with those
of Mini Mouse are not displeasing to me. They are evidence for what I
try to show.

hl

[slotrot]

The question remains; does he have a valid point? Are his opinions based on fact, or are they nebulous theories?

[Hugh Lawson]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:

>
> The question remains; does he have a valid point? Are his opinions
>based on fact, or are they nebulous theories?

Imagination at work, in my judgment.



hl

[slotrot]

You know what they say about opinions: everyone has one.
Who is right and who is wrong is conjecture?

[Hugh Lawson]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:


> You know what they say about opinions: everyone has one.
> Who is right and who is wrong is conjecture?

Of course anybody can make up an imaginary America, and declare that
somebody else doesn't belong to it. That's what A.L. does.

It's not to be taken seriously.




--
Hugh Lawson
hu.l...@gmail.com

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:46:05 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <a69df420-1179-482c...@googlegroups.com>):

> On Friday, 9 November 2012 07:17:05 UTC-5, Joel Edge wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:54:26 -0500, slotrot wrote
>>
>> Good thing you son't get to decide the 'right places'. Wealth envy.
>>
>>
>
> You talk about the country going into an economic free-fall yet you can't
> seem to understand simple economics. Pay more taxes and quit giving susidies

> to the oil, gas, energy sector in general, who have spent millions trying to
> get the president out-voted. Well, hows that working for you? Ask Karl
Rove.
> We call that corporate welfare.

We call it freedom of speech. Give to the party of your choice. Actually I
agree with you on"subsidies". If a business can't survive on it's on, it
should go under. I also believe other "subsidies" should generally be
discontinued. Like EIC, home mortgage tax breaks, charity tax breaks, etc.
While we're at it, let's talk about all the other "subsidies", Medicare,
Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment, etc.
Just kidding.

>>
>> I may be repeating myself should me
>>
>>>>
>> Repugnants? Yeah, no ideology there. Donald Trump is a joke. He's the
>>
>> Roseanne Barr of the right. I'm not stupid enough to think Roseanne
>>
>> represents the left. Why do you assume Trump represents the right? Answer:
>>
>> because you want to.
>
> Trump is a joke, you are right. But he supported Romney and that puts him in

> the Republican camp. Fortunately, there are more Trumps in the Republican
> camp than are in the Democrats camp. Barr is an idiot, but Trump is the
> laughing stock these days. Imagine; wanting a revolution.

Going by your standards, Barr is a sterling Democrat. Glad we agree on
something.

>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
> Wealth envy? What's that? As for defense spending? I don't have problem
> with that. No crying here. I don't mind paying for such necessities when
> they are necessary. But to buy something on speculation??? That's stupid.
> Even your military is cutting back on orders as is Australia and others for
> the F.35. Someone sold our military a bill of goods. Imagine, flying the
> Arctic in a single-engine aircraft!!!

You might need that capability. We'll be counting on you folks to deal with
that from now on. Good luck.

>
> But, in spite of all efforts by Rove, the Koch's, Rush Limbaugh, Donald
> Trump, the energy sector, the banks, etc, etc, etc, President Obama still
> occupies the Whitehouse (which we burned, if you remember);-).

The banks? You do know that Obama and his cronies get most of their funding
from corporate "partners".

>
> Now you are driving (not you specifically) towards the fiscal cliff. All
> those Repulemmings will all go thrashing and crashing over the edge because
> they are so intent on destroying the presidency, that they are willing to
> sacrifice your YOUR country for ideology. God Bless America, God Help
> Americans.

It's called standards. Our side: smaller government, less intrusion, more
freedom and self reliance and freedom. Their side: larger government, more
taxes, more government control.
I'll stick to this side on principle.

>
> You have a wonderul week-end and let us not forget all those who sacrificed
> everything so that you and I can enjoy the freedoms that we have.
>

You're welcome. I'll convey your thanks to the various military groups I
belong to.
That and two dollars will get us a cup of coffee.

[Joel Edge]

On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:55:43 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <uqfq989eic1mcb01g...@4ax.com>):

>>
>> You might want check the welfare rolls in this country. Also the
>> pronouncements by Obama "spread the wealth", "tax the rich", "pay their
>> fair
>> share", etc. Seem to point to a great deal of wealth envy by the Democrat
>> party. But that's OK, you can belief the media instead of believing your
>> own
>> lying ears. The man said it. Along with many proven years of "wealth
>> redistribution by liberals and the Dem party.
>
> The rich should pay taxes like the rest of us. And by the way, you
> should pay your taxes, too, Mr. Edge -- so many Republican voters,
> especially those of the Tea Party persuasion, are nothing but would-be
> tax evaders, although only the wealthy can play that game successfully
> without breaking the law.
>
> We used to have a progressive income tax where tax rates went up the
> more you earned. But now we effectively have a regressive income tax,
> thanks to the Republicans, where the rich pay half the rate middle
> class taxpayers do, if they pay at all.
>
> In any event, your traditional white Southern values and vision of the
> US lost Tuesday. Hopefully they will always lose in the end because
> they are backward and they are un-American. Hugh is offended that
> people notice this but at times it can't be helped.

I clipped this to make it more manageable.

I've paid my taxes, thank you. Forty years plus worth. We still have a
progressive tax system. We also have something called 'capital gains tax'. It
encompasses the risk involved when making investments.
It's also funny when I get lectured about the "rich pay half the tax rate".
They still pay more in taxes that you poor-ass liberals. And on top of that,
they still give more to charity. They're paying your share, my share, and a
big chunk of the upkeep of the world. How much "fairer" do you people want
it? How eat-up with envy does a person have to be when they look at other
peoples lives and think life hasn't been fair to them.

[slotrot]

I thing if you are either liberal or conservative, and you are rich, you pay the same taxes. Are you saying there aren't any rich liberals?? I suppose "fair" is in the eye of the beholder. I have no problem with people making money, but making millions by sending American jobs overseas doesn't seem fair to me. Demanding unions take large pay cuts to increase the company's profits, doesn't seem fair to me. Smaller wages, smaller spendings, less manufacturing,,,it all adds up, or down.

I used to be a conservative, what we called a red torie or a progressive conservative. A capitalist with a social conscience. I think that is what is missing with today's extreme right-wing conservatives. No social conscience. Today I would be an independent, even leaning green. You'll love that, you and your climate change deniers.

Anyway, you have to wait for another four years until you sorry-ass tea-partiers can really ruin the government. I hope President Obama has the courage to draw a line in the sand and say no compromise. That would be like taking a page from the Boehner playbook.

Anyway, you have a great week-end.

[Joel Edge]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:27:32 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <907e21f3-9089-4b6a...@googlegroups.com>):

Plenty. And judging by the numbers, they don't give a lot. Joe Biden gave so
little it's become a joke. He's been referred to as 'a dollar a day Joe'.
Celebraties are well known for showing up for fund raising. To raise other
people's money, not theirs. Seem to be an another trait of liberals-other
people's money.

I suppose
> "fair" is in the eye of the beholder. I have no problem with people making
> money, but making millions by sending American jobs overseas doesn't seem
> fair to me. Demanding unions take large pay cuts to increase the company's
> profits, doesn't seem fair to me. Smaller wages, smaller spendings, less
> manufacturing,,,it all adds up, or down.

Ah...fair. How about pay cuts or lay-offs to insure company survival? Like a
lot of folks, you seem to be confusing running a business to charity.

>
> I used to be a conservative, what we called a red torie or a progressive
> conservative. A capitalist with a social conscience. I think that is what
> is missing with today's extreme right-wing conservatives. No social
> conscience. Today I would be an independent, even leaning green. You'll
> love that, you and your climate change deniers.

Really!! With all this talk about conservatives giving habits and you're
repeating "no social conscience"?

>
> Anyway, you have to wait for another four years until you sorry-ass
> tea-partiers can really ruin the government. I hope President Obama has the
> courage to draw a line in the sand and say no compromise. That would be like

> taking a page from the Boehner playbook.

Ol'Barry doesn't have to answer to his base now. Like all US presidents, I
suspect he'll go into legacy mode. That's what pissed of the conservatives in
the last three W years.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

I heard someone once say that used to be a Republican, then remembered
that they have a soul. Neoconservatives are a soulless lot, lacking in
compassion and social conscience. This distinguishes them from old
school conservatives like Barry Goldwater and even Ronald Reagan, both
of whom had a social conscience after their fashion, and both of whom
would be derided as RINO's today and driven from the party.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:15:57 -0500, Hugh Lawson <hu.l...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:
>
>
>> You know what they say about opinions: everyone has one.
>> Who is right and who is wrong is conjecture?
>
>Of course anybody can make up an imaginary America, and declare that
>somebody else doesn't belong to it. That's what A.L. does.
>
>It's not to be taken seriously.

Hugh, of course, is utterly unaware of the attitude toward blacks,
liberals and progressive social programs held by the bulk of his
fellow white Southerners. I saw a piece just this morning about a
study of racist comments made on Twitter in the wake of President
Obama's decisive re-election which found -- surprise, surprise -- that
they were concentrated in the South. But according to Hugh that's so
much "othering" of the South by the North.

[Hugh Lawson]

A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com writes:



> Hugh, of course, is utterly unaware of the attitude toward blacks,
> liberals and progressive social programs held by the bulk of his
> fellow white Southerners. I saw a piece just this morning about a
> study of racist comments made on Twitter in the wake of President
> Obama's decisive re-election which found -- surprise, surprise -- that
> they were concentrated in the South. But according to Hugh that's so
> much "othering" of the South by the North.

Criticism is not othering.

hl

[Hugh Lawson]

My example on this is the essay "The Southern Mystique" by the late
Howard Zinn. Zinn wrote it while participating in the civil rights
movement in Atlanta, Georgia. Although he was of course highly critical
of the Jim Crow system, and the whites who supported it, he did not view
the southern whites as un-American. He saw them as variations on a
general American anti-black racism.

He also saw that if the rules changed, then the southern whites would
conform to them. That's what happened.



hl

[slotrot]

Hugh, maybe you don't mean it to sound this way, but from what I'm reading, southern whites, when the laws changed(?), said, "ooops, OK, guess we have to change our ways. OK boys, let's change.". Sounds a bit too simplistic to me. Not knowing many southern whites, but undestanding a bit about human nature, I can't see them all of a sudden changing their ways just because the law changed.

Old habits aren't that easily broken. But then maybe I'm reading you wrong.

[Hugh Lawson]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:


> Hugh, maybe you don't mean it to sound this way, but from what I'm
> reading, southern whites, when the laws changed(?), said, "ooops, OK,
> guess we have to change our ways. OK boys, let's change.".

What I mean by "a rule" includes enforcement, with penalties for rule
breakers. Without enforcement, then it is just a suggestion, and not
really a rule.

The situation required enforcement, because school desegration
(especially) was unpopular among the dominant whites. The whites who
were willing positively to cooperate needed the cover of federal
enforcement. The local school boards actually carried out the
desegration, under pressure from the federal government, whose
administrative departments received new powers under the Civil Rights
Act of 1964.

I should have made that point about rules clearer; usually here I use
the phrase "enforcible and enforced laws."

The best brief account I've read of the federal enforcement effort is a
couple of chapters in Harvey Matusow, The Unraveling of America. See
here:

http://www.amazon.com/Unraveling-America-History-Liberalism-1960s/dp/0820334057

hl

[slotrot]

I wonder if that will happen with Medicaid??

[Hugh Lawson]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:


> I wonder if that will happen with Medicaid??

I'm wondering if by Medicaid you mean Obamacare. The first step is
coming up soon, when the states face a deadline to establish insurance
exchanges. If a state balks, then the law says the US must establish an
insurance exchange for that state.

This whole thing will be complicated, with a lot of yadda yadda.

hl

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:48:38 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <aldv98pv66m2nasne...@4ax.com>):

"Neoconservative" is a term you people made up. It was a nice try. The only
division of any lasting consequence now is the division between conservatives
who think that we can still compromise with the leftist ilk and (people like
me) who don't.

[slotrot]

Said like a true Republemming. Rather run off the cliff than compromise. Wow, and you wonder why the Republican party is so divided. I can see you know goose-stepping off the fiscal cliff.

[slotrot]

Obamacare is a derisive term coined by the neo-cons who see it as a socialist aberration. Medicare is the proper term. I called it Medicaid in error.

[Hugh Lawson]

slotrot <rtau...@rogers.com> writes:


> Obamacare is a derisive term coined by the neo-cons who see it as a
> socialist aberration. Medicare is the proper term. I called it
> Medicaid in error.

Let's see if I can get you sorted out, Bob.

1. Medicare is an "entitlement program" for 65 and + year olds. It is
different from the programs to be established by the Affordable Care
Act, often called "Obamacare". Medicare is entirely federal, and
standardized nationwide.

2. Medicaid is a program for low-income people. Unlike Medicare,
eligibility is means tested. Medicaid is state-administered, under
federal rules, and varies from state to state.

3. I used Obamacare advisedly, because Obama used it himself in the
campaign, and said "I like that." He meant to wipe out its pejorative
connotation, and I think he succeeded, so far as the public domain is
concerned. The right-wing-nuts oppose it no matter what it is called,
and they *hoped* to use "Obamacare" as a derisory term, but my judgment
is that Obama turned it around, so far as Democrats are concerned.

hl

[slotrot]

Gotacha, thanks for that, Hugh.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

Obamacare is neither Medicare nor Medicaid but something in addition
to both, although part of the Affordable Healthcare Act was to expand
Medicaid. Republicans would like to kill all these programs, just as
they'd like to kill Social Security, because they're all socialism,
don't you know. To Republicans healthcare is a privileged reserved
for those with money, feeling that it is the height of personal
irresponsibility to get sick if you can't afford it.

[slotrot]

The funny part is, something similar is the law in Massachusetts, and who was governor who enacted it there? Go ahead, guess, betcha don't know!!

Something like our parents used to say to us; "Don't do what I do, do as I say!!"

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:17:01 -0800 (PST), slotrot

Indeed, Obamacare is really Romneycare, and I suspect that if he had
been elected Romney would have decided he was glad he thought of it.
In fact, it's a proposal the Republicans themselves came up with back
in 1993 at a time when they were saner than they are now.

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:31:54 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <725009a0-88b1-4556...@googlegroups.com>):

Here's the problem with that. Why compromise principals? If you're faced with
a large wasteful government promoted by a party that is intent on tax and
spend while promoting division and grievance, what are we supposed to do?
Become a competing party doing the same? That's insanity.

[slotrot]

But, your problem is it was Bush (whom we never heard mentioned during the election) that put you in the hole. Obama is gradually getting you out of it. Not overnight like you wanted him to do. But employment has improved and your economy seems to be improving as well. If you want to blame Obama for everything you have to give him credit as well. Look at your oil production. He must be doing something right.

The art or compromise is knowing when to and when not to. There's is a difference between being principaled and being stubborn or stupid. Knowing when to be smart is something the Republicans have to learn. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like they are coming around, slowly mind you. Time to be smart and stop being stupid or intransigent.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:59:22 -0800 (PST), slotrot

Slotrot, trying to reason with a Republican these days is like trying
to reason with a stick.

[Hugh Lawson]

A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com writes:

[ snip ]

> Slotrot, trying to reason with a Republican these days is like trying
> to reason with a stick.

People usually don't listen to statements that conflict with
their own ideas.

For example, A.Lurker, do you think that these white southerners you
despise don't know about your attitude toward them?

There is always somebody who stands to gain from informing them.

Besides, they watch the same TV and movies that taught you your
attitudes. But they evaluate them differently.

hl

[Hugh Lawson]

Hugh Lawson <hu.l...@gmail.com> writes:

I wrote:
> Besides, they watch the same TV and movies that taught you your
> attitudes. But they evaluate them differently.

I add:

Before I began to read this group, I interpreted the TV and movie
presentations of "the south" as mildly disdainful images that made
amusing commercial entertainment. I knew they affected attitudes of
non-southerners (aka northerners), but I didn't know how deeply they
were believed, and that for educated people they existed in culture
already, before the movies and TV were ever made.

Especially I didn't know how these invidious north-south comparisons
were used by some northerners to back up their belief in themselves as
standard-model Americans. I took it for granted that northerners who
claimed some education understood that southerners (white and black)
were here in America "before the Mayflower". I didn't realize that they
had made up an imaginary America, which they belonged to, but from which
in their minds they had expelled "the (white) south".

It goes beyond northerners' saying, "Well we think we have a better
understanding of what America ought to be." It's more like this: "We
are the True America, and they are internal foreigners to it. They have
an alien backward culture."

This latter standpoint is obvious in A.Lurker's posts, and Mito
Minister, though not an American, plays such ideas for his amusement as
a troll.

I'm not sure about this next part, but AL and MM seem to think of
themselves as punishers of the (white) South dealing out symbolic
beatings that they (the white South) deserve. Everything about this
sectional relationship they seem to interpret in judicial terms, in
which they are the judges. This judicial stance seems perfectly
natural to them, as if God made them this way.

But when you probe them on this, they answer, not by talking about
themselves, but by telling you about "the South". They refuse to
explain how they acquired such a standpoint, perhaps they cannot explain
it.

Anyway, my interests in American history never focused on north-south
matters while I was a working history teacher. It was after I retired
and stumbled on this newsgroup that I started to think about them.

It relates to the Civil War, the supposed topic of this newsgroup, in
this way. I believe that northerners' sentiments about their own
identity and about "the South" affect the way they think and write about
the Civil War. When people say, "Down there they are still fighting the
Civil War," this is a northern way of still fighting the Civil War.

Consider that A.Lurker dislikes my suggestion that the Confederate Army
should be called the Confederate Army, or the rebel army, and not the
Southern Army. I knew he would. LOL.



hl

[Joel Edge]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:59:22 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <7d61d05b-bf08-42ea...@googlegroups.com>):

That's a specious argument. Bush never put me or anyone in a hole.
Unemployment was low, energy prices were low, the bush administration was
trying to stop Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from wrecking the housing market.

Along with an unemployment rate that has gotten worse and a credit downgrade,
how has Obama helped? Any increase of oil production has been on non-federal
lands and not helped by the federal government. We've blown a shit-load of
stimulus money to no avail and wasted a small fortune on green energy that
has almost zero acceptance.

>
> The art or compromise is knowing when to and when not to. There's is a
> difference between being principaled and being stubborn or stupid. Knowing
> when to be smart is something the Republicans have to learn. From what I'm
> hearing, it sounds like they are coming around, slowly mind you. Time to be
> smart and stop being stupid or intransigent.
>

You still haven't addressed my statement. Other than 'better start coming
around'. How is two parties competing to expand the government a good idea?

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:35:37 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <19ab4cd2-e1a3-43a5...@googlegroups.com>):

http://goo.gl/u5ZSn

Let's face it. The money will run out. Cuts will happen.

Shocked to read this.

http://goo.gl/dV2ot

This as close as a liberal has gotten to admitting they're peddling BS.

"So any plan that does not include significant spending cuts is no plan at
all. ": LZ Granderson

[slotrot]

If you can afford, according to Romney you could, several "trillion" dollars in defense spending, and you can afford 6 billion dollars for a presidential campaign, you have enough money. Bush's wars put you in a hole. And that's the truth.

Obama's problems, compounded by Bush's defecits, are partly his fault and partly world economic problems. Obama didn't raise taxes in his first four years, but I think it is about time he did. You can't do more with less.

[Joel Edge]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:40:34 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <d271ea48-31d6-47ed...@googlegroups.com>):

What put us in hole was the collapsing housing market. Which led to a
collapsed economy. I don't have a problem with reduced military spending. we
spend way too much defending you foreigners now. Time to step up, folks.
Uncle Sam can't afford to defend you anymore.

[Joel Edge]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:41:02 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <1i53a89cn57lppdfs...@4ax.com>):

Before they realized that expanding an already overblown medical subsidy
would be a disaster. Which it will be.

[slotrot]

We really don't need your protection. Maybe we need protection "from" you!!
Yes, I've heard it all before. Wait, I hear the cavalry. Must be coming to rescue us poor dolts from ourselves. What's that, you want our oil and resources?

An empire in decline? A growing red menace (China)?? Fear mongering, that's all it is. What colour is the sky in your world?? (Red, methinks, although here that would be the colour of the Liberals.)

[Joel Edge]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:20:23 -0500, slotrot wrote
(in article <e628b9b1-6d7c-4d46...@googlegroups.com>):

Would you like to point out one country that the US has conquered and held?
Have you noticed all the free oil we're getting from Iraq? Because we're not.
You people really make me laugh. All full of yourselves until crunch time
comes. When the danger is over, it's back to vilifying America. You people
would ass-kiss the most dangerous and despicable tyrants until such time as
they're at your doorstep and then look for America to save your ass.
I hate to inform you, those days are over. Thanks to the current form of the
Democrat party into a euro-style organization, the current crop of American
males won't get off the couch and away from their X-Boxes to defend your
scruffy asses.

[A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:56:01 -0500, Joel Edge <joel...@planttel.net>
wrote:

Canadians fought heroically in World War I and World War II, and
Canadians are deployed in Afghanistan. They were smart enough to stay
out of Bush Jr.'s unnecessary Iraq war, and I wish we had been, too.

[slotrot]

Maybe the new crop of American males is a little smarter than the previous. And we don't need any advice on how to fight. We've been there, done that and we're still in Afghanistan. You are leaving just as we are. Smart move.

We were fighting in both world wars before you were. We were there on D Day, Juno Beach and we did quite well as history shows, although we get little notice south of our border. We're not just a "walk in the snow" you know.

I don't villify America, it's the politicians that give me heartburn. My conservative government as well. They've never seen a war they didn't like.
I'm quite fond of the average American, having relatives there. Can't think of anyone I'd rather have living below me, and I'm sure your government likes having us where we are, rather than some radical government always threatening you.

I see your companies are heavily invested in China. Is that the tyrant you were talking about? I seen your government borrow heavily from China; is that the tyrant you were talking about? Look mate, if they are at our doorstep, they are at yours. Surprise. But don't worry, we'll hold them off with our as-of-yet-undelivered F.35 squadrons that are slowly bankrupting us because of their escalating cost. (whew)

As for Iraq, I read somewhere, and I don't remember where, Iraq is being asked to pay for reparations to their country. I wonder who will contract out the work, and who will get the contracts?

Anyway, you have a righteous and Happy Thanksgiving, even though we had the first thanksgiving before you guys. I'll be in Syracuse, Thursday, getting ready for some Black Friday shopping. TTFN

[slotrot]

I almost forgot:

“To jaw-jaw- is always better than to war-war”
Winston Churchill quote

[Joel Edge]

On Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:29:39 -0500, A.Lu...@who-knows-where.com wrote
(in article <mi6ia8tfg4ejaukmd...@4ax.com>):

If the numbers are correct, there are 950 actual combat operation Canadian
soldiers in Afghanistan. Yeah, thanks for help. If you need protection from
us, you might want to build up the numbers a bit.

No response to the "point out one country" thing?

[slotrot]

That's an ass-hole reply. I'll pass that on to the families of the 150+ soldiers who died in Afghanistan. You represent the "ugly American".

If you had any idea what you were talking about, you would know why there are 950 there presently. You my friend, are a %^%$# idiot.

Get lost.