> >On Nov 4, 2:36 pm, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 07:12:22 -0500, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net>
> >> wrote:

> >> >On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 11:45:13 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote
> >> >(in article <i3u798hr2mlp5ulojtqdsjpctcc1vcv...@4ax.com>):

> >> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 07:05:36 -0700 (PDT), slotrot <rtaub...@rogers.com>
> >> >> wrote:

> >> >>> On Nov 2, 8:58 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 12:38:15 -0400, slotrot wrote
> >> >>>> (in article
> >> >>>> <430d847a-665a-4641-9159-79d8972ae...@g8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com>):

> >> >>>>> On Nov 1, 9:16 am, Joel Edge <joele...@planttel.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:39:36 -0400, slotrot wrote
> >> >>>>>> (in article
> >> >>>>>> <5e648edc-d5e4-4b80-b86d-5a6b3e0de...@j10g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>):

> >> >>>>> Perhaps you could help me understand your reticence to Obama's health
> >> >>>>> care plan.
> >> >>>>> For example, should you our someone in your family have an existing
> >> >>>>> health problem, would you be able to get health care insurance under
> >> >>>>> Obama's or Romney's plan?
> >> >>>>> If you or someone in your family developed a serious illness (God
> >> >>>>> forbid) and your insurance plan was expiring, would you be able to
> >> >>>>> renew under both plans?
> >> >>>>> What are monthly health care premium charges in the U.S. for
> >> >>>>> Medicaid?

> >> >>>>> I may be taxed more than you, but I can go to the hospital and not get
> >> >>>>> a bill for treatment. I pay $100.00 a year for my prescriptions,
> >> >>>>> total. The $100.00 is the deductible under my provincial plan because
> >> >>>>> I am 65+.

> >> >>>>> What do seniors in the U.S. have to worry about with Romney/Ryan
> >> >>>>> voucher system? What happens to the 35-45 million people covered
> >> >>>>> under Obama's plan, but not Romney's?

> >> >>>>> Let them eat cake, she said, and she lost her head. What do the
> >> >>>>> Russian and French revolutions have in common?

> >> >>>> You might want to go back a little earlier. Exactly when did this
> >> >>>> Medicare/Medicaid debacle begin? Have you ever considered what the role of
> >> >>>> the federal government is in health care? And as we poor money into the
> >> >>>> health industries pockets, what is the eventual outcome? Subsidizing health
> >> >>>> care only causes the cost to go up. End result, collapse. At some point
> >> >>>> costs
> >> >>>> will have to be reigned in, hopefully before the cost eats it alive.
> >> >>>> Complaining about the might-be is a good plan.
> >> >>>> You get charged for prescriptions? Really! How long you do guess it's going
> >> >>>> to be before you charged for treatment?

> >> >>> I am charged for treatment. In my taxes. It isn't going to collapse
> >> >>> because of subsidies. Perhaps if the oil, gas, military-industrial
> >> >>> complex wasn't subsidized, you might have enough money to take care of
> >> >>> the 99%.
> >> >>> You have to stop listening to the rhetoric of the doomsayers.
> >> >>> The government is supposed to be there for "the people". Oh, I
> >> >>> forgot, corporations are people in the U.S.
> >> >>> Reign in your military costs, your subsidies to the corporations who
> >> >>> don't need subsidies, increase your taxes. That would help.

> >> >>> I "don't" get charged for prescriptions after $100.00 deductible.
> >> >>> When will I be charged for treatment? Not in the near future?

> >> >>> How much are your charges per month for health care insurance? Are
> >> >>> they rising? Who is getting the benefit of the increased costs? The
> >> >>> insurance companies!!!!

> >> >>> IIRC, the U.S. is one of the few, if not the only country in the G8
> >> >>> that doesn't have a national health care plan. Something like that
> >> >>> anyway. I'll have to check further.

> >> >>> Remember to vote, regardless of who you vote for. The only wasted
> >> >>> vote is a non-vote.

> >> >> Every industrialized nation in the world except the US has some sort
> >> >> of national health care. But you've got realize that about 40% of the
> >> >> US population lives in a Republican fantasy world where health care is
> >> >> a privilege, not a right, where greed and selfishness are virtues and
> >> >> compassion is some sort of mental illness, and where millions upon
> >> >> millions of perfectly healthy people are living like kings and queens
> >> >> on welfare. To say nothing of believing Obama is a Muslim Communist
> >> >> born in Kenya, science is bunk, and the world is only 6,000 years old.
> >> >> It's insane. And it's scary. And if left unchecked, it is the start
> >> >> of America's descent from greatness.

> >> >I just love it when you people make shit up out of the air.
> >> >We have a party that has dedicated itself to a larger government and ever
> >> >increasing taxes. No one in the Republican party made these decisions for
> >> >them. You don't have to listen to me. Read their own press releases. At some
> >> >point the Democrat party decided to embrace group or groups of people and
> >> >work to their benefit. There are many people in this country that have made
> >> >this decision willfully and promote certain groups at every opportunity. They
> >> >use these groups against each other and against everyone else. Recently even
> >> >threatening violence. Divide and conquer. Look at he structure of the
> >> >Democrat party and tell me I'm wrong. We have unions vs corporations, blacks
> >> >vs whites, haves vs have-nots, gay vs straight, greenies vs everyone. So we
> >> >have a divisive party paying favors to various factions for continued support
> >> >of that same party. What does that sound like? Fascism, maybe? No, we'll just
> >> >call them socialists, it's a nicer term. The Dems have been pushing divisive
> >> >politics for most of my life. Larger government and larger payouts to party
> >> >factions. And, yes, it also favors corporate interests who play ball with the
> >> >party. As we've seen by the stimulas failure that went to supporters. Didn't
> >> >do a lot for the jobs situation but that wasn't the point.
> >> >Now let's address the "greedy" issue. You do know that conservatives give
> >> >more to charity than liberals? Romney paid more in taxes and voluntarily gave
> >> >more to charity than Obama and Biden put together by a wide margin.
> >> >Conservatives give, liberals take.
> >> >The 6000 year old thing crap is just that, crap.
> >> >Just so you'll know, our "descent from greatness" began in the sixties. We've
> >> >been struggling to contain the misery in the world since then. I suspect
> >> >that's about over. The money will run out eventually. Lots of folks will
> >> >suffer when the collapse comes. I seem to be in the minority on this. A lot
> >> >of folks don't see this happy bubble collapsing. Good luck with that.

> >> See what I mean, slotrot? It's no accident Mr. Edge dates America's
> >> decent from greatness from the Civil Right Era which won blacks the
> >> right vote and a measure equality in the South. And it's no accident
> >> Hugh, the great Southern liberal, worries obsessively about people in
> >> the North thinking of the South as un-American while casting a blind
> >> eye as to just why that might be.

> >Well his "making shit up out of the air" sounds like the Romney/Ryan
> >lies about Obama.  With help of course from the Trumps, Limbaughs, and
> >Faux News.
> >Personally, and this is my opinion, if Obama wasn't black, we wouldn't
> >be hearing all this birthing, Kenya, Muslim garbage they, the  GOP
> >(should be GOWP)  are spewing.
> >But of course they have the lock-steppers like Mr. J On-Edge marching
> >failthfully into the voting booth to plant their X without having to
> >think.

> >The U.S. is a nice, no great place to visit, but if you get a
> >Repugnant president, it won't be a very nice place to live.
> >I wonder if Mr. On-Edge knows where and what the Hermitage is and what
> >its significance is?

> Absolutely.  If Obama were white, he'd win by landslide.

> In the long run, changing demographics will sink the Republican Party
> in its current far right white people's party incarnation.  Most
> likely it will eventually reinvent itself as a center/right party, as
> it was in the mid 20th century.

> Mr, Edge doubtlessly thinks of Andrew Jackson's home in Tennessee when
> you say Hermitage.  The Hermitage in Russia is the one that comes
> first to my mind.  But there are so many Hermitages in the world I'm
> not sure which one you mean myself.