> (in article <725009a0-88b1-4556-8a99-25d1dc3923f0@googlegroups.com>):

> > On Monday, 12 November 2012 07:49:09 UTC-5, Joel Edge  wrote:

> >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:48:38 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote

> >> (in article <aldv98pv66m2nasnek7eghe12ilgtln...@4ax.com>):

> >>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:27:32 -0800 (PST), slotrot

> >>> <rtaub...@rogers.com> wrote:

> >>>> On Saturday, 10 November 2012 07:56:07 UTC-5, Joel Edge  wrote:

> >>>>> On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 12:55:43 -0500, A.Lur...@who-knows-where.com wrote

> >>>>> (in article <uqfq989eic1mcb01ginv5e829ip2p9n...@4ax.com>):

> >>>>>>> You might want check the welfare rolls in this country. Also the

> >>>>>>> pronouncements by Obama "spread the wealth", "tax the rich", "pay

> >>>>>>> their

> >>>>>>> fair

> >>>>>>> share", etc. Seem to point to a great deal of wealth envy by the

> >>>>>>> Democrat

> >>>>>>> party. But that's OK, you can belief the media instead of believing

> >>>>>>> your

> >>>>>>> own

> >>>>>>> lying ears. The man said it. Along with many proven years of "wealth

> >>>>>>> redistribution by liberals and the Dem party.

> >>>>>> The rich should pay taxes like the rest of us.  And by the way, you

> >>>>>> should pay your taxes, too, Mr. Edge -- so many Republican voters,

> >>>>>> especially those of the Tea Party persuasion, are nothing but would-be

> >>>>>> tax evaders, although only the wealthy can play that game successfully

> >>>>>> without breaking the law.

> >>>>>> We used to have a progressive income tax where tax rates went up the

> >>>>>> more you earned.  But now we effectively have a regressive income tax,

> >>>>>> thanks to the Republicans, where the rich pay half the rate middle

> >>>>>> class taxpayers do, if they pay at all.

> >>>>>> In any event, your traditional white Southern values and vision of the

> >>>>>> US lost Tuesday. Hopefully they will always lose in the end because

> >>>>>> they are backward and they are un-American.  Hugh is offended that

> >>>>>> people notice this but at times it can't be helped.

> >>>>> I clipped this to make it more manageable.

> >>>>> I've paid my taxes, thank you. Forty years plus worth. We still have a

> >>>>> progressive tax system. We also have something called 'capital gains

> >>>>> tax'.

> >>>>> It

> >>>>> encompasses the risk involved when making investments.

> >>>>> It's also funny when I get lectured about the "rich pay half the tax

> >>>>> rate".

> >>>>> They still pay more in taxes that you poor-ass liberals. And on top of

> >>>>> that,

> >>>>> they still give more to charity. They're paying your share, my share,

> >>>>> and

> >>>>> a

> >>>>> big chunk of the upkeep of the world. How much "fairer" do you people

> >>>>> want

> >>>>> it? How eat-up with envy does a person have to be when they look at

> >>>>> other

> >>>>> peoples lives and think life hasn't been fair to them.

> >>>> I thing if you are either liberal or conservative, and you are rich, you

> >>>> pay the same taxes.  Are you saying there aren't any rich liberals??  I

> >>>> suppose "fair" is in the eye of the beholder.  I have no problem with

> >>>> people making money, but making millions by sending American jobs

> >>>> overseas

> >>>> doesn't seem fair to me.  Demanding unions take large pay cuts to

> >>>> increase

> >>>> the company's profits, doesn't seem fair to me.  Smaller wages, smaller

> >>>> spendings, less manufacturing,,,it all adds up, or down.  

> >>>> I used to be a conservative, what we called a red torie or a progressive

> >>>> conservative.  A capitalist with a social conscience.  I think that is

> >>>> what

> >>>> is missing with today's extreme right-wing conservatives.  No social

> >>>> conscience.  Today I would be an independent, even leaning green.  You'll

> >>>> love that, you and your climate change deniers.  

> >>>> Anyway, you have to wait for another four years until you sorry-ass

> >>>> tea-partiers can really ruin the government.  I hope President Obama has

> >>>> the courage to draw a line in the sand and say no compromise.  That would

> >>>> be like taking a page from the Boehner playbook.

> >>>> Anyway, you have a great week-end.

> >>> I heard someone once say that used to be a Republican, then remembered

> >>> that they have a soul. Neoconservatives are a soulless lot, lacking in

> >>> compassion and social conscience.  This distinguishes them from old

> >>> school conservatives like Barry Goldwater and even Ronald Reagan, both

> >>> of whom had a social conscience after their fashion, and both of whom

> >>> would be derided as RINO's today and driven from the party.

> >> "Neoconservative" is a term you people made up. It was a nice try. The only

> >> division of any lasting consequence now is the division between

> >> conservatives

> >> who think that we can still compromise with the leftist ilk and (people

> >> like

> >> me) who don't.

> > Said like a true Republemming.  Rather run off the cliff than compromise.  

> > Wow, and you wonder why the Republican party is so divided.  I can see you

> > know goose-stepping off the fiscal cliff.  

> Here's the problem with that. Why compromise principals? If you're faced with

> a large wasteful government promoted by a party that is intent on tax and

> spend while promoting division and grievance, what are we supposed to do?

> Become a competing party doing the same? That's insanity.